Here’s a question for those who have been scratching their heads over the Salisbury poisonings, and even those who haven’t: How many clear pieces of CCTV footage from 4th March of people connected or allegedly connected to the case have you seen?

The images of Mr Skripal’s car being driven down India Avenue and then Devizes Road do not count, since there is no clear image of the person or persons in the car. Nor does the two seconds of CCTV footage of a couple (not the Skripals) walking through Market Walk, since it is notoriously unclear and blurry. Nor do the images of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov traipsing around airports and train stations and the centre of Salisbury, since those are stills.

No, I’m talking about actual footage of actual people moving from one place to another – you know, like people do – and in which they can be clearly recognised.

The answer, unless I have missed something, is one. That’s it. Yes, I understand (as people remind me from time to time), that the police are under no obligation to give a running commentary on the case, or release loads of CCTV footage. True, but you’d think that since this is the biggest investigation this country has ever seen in our lifetimes, and with so much at stake, there would have been something. An image of the Skripals, perhaps? Feeding the ducks, perhaps? Or would duck-feeding compromise national security?

Anyway, the footage I am referring to is the 30 seconds or so of Petrov and Boshirov outside the Dauwalders stamp and coin shop. Significantly, this was not released by the Metropolitan Police, but was, I believe, leaked to the Daily Mail. But it does fit the bill for what I am talking about. You can actually see the two men. Clearly and recognisably. They are actually moving. Like people do. And on the stills that were released with it, you can even see a timestamp showing real times.

It is, therefore, one of the most significant pieces of evidence released to the public domain, as I hope to explain. But before I get to that, here are some straightforward statements of fact about this footage:

Firstly, it is the only CCTV footage of Petrov and Boshirov on 4th March that has been released which shows the two men moving.

Secondly, the time stamps on the stills show them to have been outside the shop between about 13:48:40 and 13:49:06.

Thirdly, the timestamps put this incident after the stills put out by the Metropolitan Police of the men on the bridge at Fisherton Street and the entrance to Summerlock Approach (see the first two images in the sequence of three below), which were said to be at 13:05 and 13:08 respectively.

Fourthly, Dauwalders is located roughly in between the location of the image at 13:05 and 13:08

Fifthly, the footage shows them walking past the shop along Fisherton Street from the town, towards the train station.

Sixthly, what this means is that after walking towards the train station and being filmed at Summerlock Approach at 13:08, they then went back into town, to the other side of Dauwalders, before returning to walk past it once more, heading towards the train station at 13:48 — 13:49.


 

There are some huge implications in this.

First and foremost, it shows that the time given out by the Metropolitan Police on the image of the two men at Salisbury train station that day, heading back towards London, is wrong. That image comes with the timestamp of 13:50:56 (see the third image in the sequence above).

Why wrong? Because the last time stamp of the two men at Dauwalders is 13:49:06, which means that for the Metropolitan Police time to be correct, the men would have had to get from there to the station — a distance of approximately 550 yards (or just over 500 metres if you prefer), on foot, with two road crossings on the way, plus traffic — in 1 minute and 50 seconds. It can’t be done. It’s physically impossible. And in any case, the two men are clearly not in a hurry when leaving Dauwalders, and clearly not out of breath when at the station.

But how do we know which timestamp is correct? Firstly, you will notice that the timestamp on the image of the two men at the station is not on the CCTV image itself, but has rather been added as a footnote by the Police. Why is this? Secondly, the owner of a shop, especially one like Dauwalders which undoubtedly has many valuable items, is duty bound to ensure that their CCTV is working accurately for insurance purposes. It is therefore highly unlikely that the time on the Dauwalders footage would be incorrect. And thirdly, one of the commenters on this blog has claimed to have received confirmation that the timestamps are accurate.

Which means what? That the Metropolitan Police timing of the two men being at the station at 13:50:56 is almost certainly incorrect. If that is so, it may be tempting to put it down to an error or incompetence (not that there should be either when the stakes are this high), but when taken together with the CCTV images of the men at Gatwick Airport, which this video rather convincingly shows were taken by the same camera, and what we have is extremely disturbing indeed.

But the Dauwalders CCTV may well have even more significance than showing the Metropolitan Police’s timing at the station to be wrong. As I mentioned above, to my knowledge the footage was not released by the Met, but was leaked to the Daily Mail. Prior to its release, we had the images of the two men walking towards the train station at 13:05 and 13:08, and the image of them at the station at 13:50:56. For anyone looking carefully, this gave rise to the question of what the two men were doing during those 42 minutes (as I wrote here). Nevertheless, one still got the overall impression from the images that they were heading in the direction of the train station from 13:05 onwards.

The Dauwalders CCTV completely debunks this. As I stated in the six points above, this footage shows clearly and unambiguously that after walking in the direction of the train station from 13:05 to 13:08, the men did not continue in that direction. They actually went back into the town, and then at some point after that, they again walked in the direction of the train station.

Why did they do this?

I do not know the reason, but it ought not to pass us by that this behaviour is so far from what you would expect from highly trained intelligence officers who have apparently just carried out an assassination attempt using a chemical weapon on the territory of another country, as to make the accusations that they were deadly door handle assassins very possibly the frontrunner for the Most Risible Idea of 2018 Competition (it is up against some stiff competition, mind).

But there is something that is of even more significance than this. The men start walking past Dauwalders at around 13:48:40. This is just 3 minutes or so after Mr Skripal was seen on CCTV in the Avon Playground, feeding ducks with three local boys (of course this CCTV hasn’t been released to the public, but I have been told that it does it exist). For those of you who don’t know Salisbury, the distance between these two places is less than 200 yards, walkable in about a minute-and-a-half or so.

That’s interesting, isn’t it? The Skripals in the Avon Playground at 13:45 (and perhaps a few minutes after). Their alleged door handle assassins, Petrov and Boshirov, less than 200 yards and under 2 minutes walk away at 13:48:40. Just to put this into context, it is lot closer than the distance between the Shell garage on Wilton Road and Sergei Skripal’s house.

Whether this is significant or not, I do not know. What is undoubtedly true, however, is that without that Dauwalders CCTV — the only proper footage from the whole day — there are three things we would not know:

Firstly, we would not have known that the time given by the Metropolitan Police for the two men at the station on 4th March, heading back to London, is almost certainly wrong.

Secondly, We would not have known that after the image of the two men at Summerlock Approach at 13:08, instead of carrying on towards the station, they returned to the town, which would mean either retracing their steps up Fisherton Street, or going round the back of Summerlock Approach, past the back of Sainsbury’s and alongside the Avon Playground.

Thirdly, we would not know that Petrov and Boshirov were less than 200 yards from the Skripals between 13:45 – 13:49 on 4th March.

But thanks to the leaking of the only proper CCTV footage from the day, we do now know those things.

825 thoughts on “CCTV Footage Shows Petrov & Boshirov Close to the Skripals — Only it’s Not at Mr Skripal’s House”

  2. Um, not sure if its been said, but all this Bellingcat stuff, basically, so what? Maybe one of these guys was (emphasis was) in the GRU. Fighting in Chechyna, what, 10 years or more ago? Does that prove he still is? Do people never leave Russian military service? I’d have thought that ex special forces/secret service types are highly sought after by all manner of non State organisations to do their dirty work for them – the fact that Boshirov may have been GRU a decade ago means its quite likely now he’s gone private. After all Christopher Steele used to be Mi6……..

  3. I have a hypothesis of what the Skripals were doing in the morning and early afternoon of 4 March. First, as we know, they drove to the cemetery. There, the Skripals switched off their phones in order to avoid unsolicited calls while they were at the graves of their loved ones. From the cemetery, they drove to Bath, to attend a liturgy in the Orthodox Parish of St John of Kronstadt. The phones remained switched-off.
    The parish’s website:
    http://www.bath-orthodox-church.co.uk/public/index.php
    On their website, open Calendar and roll back to March 2018. On Sunday, 4 March, they held Divine Liturgy of St Basil, followed by lunch. The time 10:30-13:30; at St Matthew’s Church, Widcombe Hill, Bath. (St Matthew’s is not an Orthodox church, but the parish is open to ecumenical ideas.)
    Why Bath? In Salisbury, there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it holds liturgies one Saturday per month, while the Orthodox Parish of St John of Kronstadt holds liturgies every Sunday:
    https://orthodoxwords.wordpress.com/orthodox-churches-in-the-uk/
    According to Google Maps, it takes 1 hour and 1 minute to drive between Bath and central Salisbury by the A36 road, part of which is Wilton Road.
    Also, I googled to find out what is a duration of Sunday Orthodox liturgies. I found that the duration is usually 1.5 – 2 hours. So, it may be assumed that the 4 March liturgy, which began at 10:30am, closed around 12:30pm. The Skripals did not stay for lunch, but they might have taken some simple food, which they were offered instead of lunch. For instance, sandwiches. Sergei, being a diabetic, did not eat all the bread, so he had some bread to feed ducks when in Salisbury.
    The phones were switched on some time after the liturgy.
    The above hypothesis explains the mysterious 4-hour gap in the Skripals’ timeline and the switched-off phones.
    One question is why Sergei’s BMW was filmed by CCTVs on India Avenue and Devizes Road, while the rational route to reach central Salisbury from the direction of Bath is Wilton Road. I suggest that Sergei might have turned from Wilton Road by habit, as if he was heading home. But as Sergei and Yulia planned to have a meal and a drink downtown, they drove past Christie Miller Road, drove through India Avenue and took Devizes Road.

    1. We don’t know they went to the cemetery at 9:15, we have been told that without any evidence.

      Sergei was wearing jeans and leather jacket, bit casual for church? They Could have gone to see friends in Warminster (delete Warminster and replace by 1000 + other places where friends might be.)

      Weather condition were not good and unpredictable, would they really want to get stranded on Salisbury Plain?

        1. You are right. In Southampton, there are one Russian Orthodox Church and one Greek Orthodox Church. The Russian one is of the Orthodox Parish of St Silouan of Mt Athos
          http://www.stsilouan-soton.org/
          On 4 March, they had Hours & Confession and Divine Liturgy, at 10:00-12:30, followed by bring and share Parish meal.
          According to Google Maps, it takes 36 min by car to drive from Salisbury to Southampton. So the Skripals could have driven from the cemetery to Southampton, then back home and from there to central Salisbury.

        2. I forgot but now recalled why I had chosen Bath over Southampton. Neil Basu said back in March that Skripal’s BMW had been seen on London Road, Churchill Way North and Wilton Road. If the Skripals had driven from the cemetery to Southampton, they would have taken London Road and Churchill Way East.

    2. That sounds pretty convincing.
      Do you think someone in the Bath congegration knows/has seen the Skripals?
      There can’t be that many orthodox Russians in the area.

      But why would Ross Cassidy insist that Skripals were at home in the morning?

      2. Information from here:
        http://www.bath.ac.uk/chaplaincy/person.php?id=3

        “The Parish I work in (Parish Community of St. John of Kronstadt) is a young community, founded in 1980. We come from a wide variety of national backgrounds, English, Cypriot, Greek, Polish, Romanian, Russian and others. Worship is in English. We emphasize a traditional Orthodox experience of prayer combined with openness to other traditions.”

        Yes, anidea, I also wondered why Ross Cassidy thought that the Skripals had been at home in the morning. One explanation is that it was Saturday night or Sunday morning when they decided to go to the liturgy. Cassidy did not know about that decision.

  4. I don’t really want to get too involved in the Bellingcat report, as they are not a credible organisation and one could spend all one’s time going through their claims, and of course there are better ways to spend an evening. But a couple of things struck me about their report.

    Firstly, when it says that Colonel Chepiga’s name appears on the “Memorial wall of the Far Eastern Military Command School”, I’m probably being a bit thick here, but doesn’t that sort of imply that he’s dead. I mean, if I saw a name on a memorial wall in Britain, that’s what I would think. But maybe memorial walls have a different meaning in Russia.

    Secondly, they end their piece by claiming to have confidentially contacted a former Russian military officer of similar rank as Colonel Chepiga (not Colonel Skripal I assume?), who apparently “expressed surprise that at least one of the operatives engaged in the operation in Salisbury had the rank of colonel” and that “an operation of this sort would have typically required a lower-ranked, ‘field operative’ with a military rank of “no higher than captain.”

    Well yes, there is that. And the dude who smoked cannabis, cavorted with a prostitute, and then apparently got lost in Salisbury after carrying out his deadly nerve agent attack 600 yards from Chez Skripal on the Wilton Road well … he don’t look much like Spetsnaz, does he?

  5. Hi Rob.
    If not too much trouble may I suggest a new post ?
    The story is now the COVER-UP.
    The Blogmirers have exposed all the known discrepancies in the this sordid mess.

    With BBC and Bellingcrap openly colluding, we are into a higher level of disinformation.

    Will nobody find and expose Nick Bailey’s role in this ?
    Journalists – where are you ?

  6. It is designed for the stupid people.

    https://www.biometricsinstitute.org/blogs/face-recognition-systems-and-error-rates-is-this-a-concern-

    https://www.blinkidentity.com/blink-blog/2018/7/2/accuracy-of-police-face-recognition-systems

    The guy in the photo might be anybody and my grandfather.

    The way RT filmed them showed one angle.

    Neither of the two looks like the guy with the suitcase at the station. At least not to me.
    http://news.met.police.uk/images/cctv9-equals-image-of-both-suspects-at-heathrow-airport-security-at-19-28hrs-on-04-march-2018-1408012

    It is a matter of angles.

    To me the guys on CCTV are not the guys RT showed and Bellingcats photos might be anybody.

    1. anidea, the three BC photos show the same man – I have no doubt about that.
      BUT – who is the young man of 2003, Boshirov or Chepiga ?
      And are they really the same person ?
      Let´s see how the Russians will answer that.

  7. As ever, Bellingcat writes a lot, but the essence is poor.

    First they write : “Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga was born on 5 May 1979, in the far-eastern village of Nikolaevka in the Amur oblast.”
    Later in the article : “In the 2012 database, one person named Anatoliy Vladirovich Chepiga were listed as residing in Moscow. This man was born on 5 April 1979.”
    “Bellingcat and The Insider obtained extracts from the passport file of Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga – the man born on 5th April 1978 – from two separate sources with access to databases dated prior to 2014.”

    So – April or May ???
    And where is a photo of Chepiga that matches Boshirov ?

    They claim to show Anatoliy Chepiga’s passport photo from 2003.
    But where is the proof ? Why they don´t show the whole passport ?
    Instead they present a document, which is a passport application form – with NO photo !

    They have the name Anatoliy Chepiga and a photo, which could be young Ruslan Boshirov or indeed Chepiga. But Bellingcat fails to show the connection between photo and passport application.

    https://ibb.co/bFFwRp

    1. Precisely and the article is full of “ appears to be “ “ bellingcat decided it was the same person “, etc .

      you’re correct , it’s more of the usual bellingcat shambles .

    2. I’ve just looked st the passport application picture . The forms are in Cyrillic but the filling is in western alphabet .

      in fairness the pics look different . Different ears , chin and eyebrows . But who knows .

  8. As a newcomer to this blog I have been playing catch-up for a few days.
    Going back to the question of the timestamp on the Dauwalders footage, something has occurred to me that, as far as I can see, has not been mentioned here:
    If Juergen spoke to Mr Dauwalder, either in person or by phone, Mr Dauwalder may have said that the time on the CCTV was out by ‘approximately 4 to 6 minutes’ and this could have been misheard by Juergen as ‘approximately 46 minutes’. If the time was 4-6 minutes fast P&B could have reached the station by 13:50.
    Apologies if this has already been discussed.

    1. Hello deborah,
      no, it was not discussed before. But pure speculation on your side.
      Only Mr Dauwalder could tell us the truth.
      No reason to trust Juergen.
      His “case closed” was too much…

  10. Russian Military-Intel not this careless. Very sloppy slapdash system if
    true.
    Timing is the key to this release! Mr Putin would not present two Guys
    on Tv if they [High Ranking] as Bellingcrap states.
    Send a High Ranking Cornel to Salisbury to put Gel on Door Knob……

    1. Photo caption according to google translation “Chechen Republic. From the archives of the graduate“

      Bellingcat has this text : One of these was in a group photograph from a 2018 article about the history of the Academy. Near a photograph of Academy graduates deployed in Chechnya, the text referred to “seven school graduates [who] were bestowed with the Hero of Russia Award”.

      I also count 10 and not 7 men …

    2. Isa, the text says :
      “5. Graduates of the school showed themselves worthily in the liquidation of illegal armed formations in the Chechen Republic. Seven officers were awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation.”

      But Bellingcat wrote : “Photo of DVOKU graduates on assignment in Chechnya, undated. Bellingcat does not claim that the person on the right is Chepiga; photograph included for completeness of research process only”

      Never ever is this Boshirov.

  13. UK Defense Minister Gavin Williamson has deleted his recent tweet in which he claimed that the “true identity” of one of the “suspects” in the Skripal case had been revealed to be “a Russian Colonel.” These are the exact words he earlier posted:

    “The true identity of one of the Salisbury suspects has been revealed to be a Russian Colonel. I want to thank all the people who are working so tirelessly on this case,” Williamson said in a tweet.

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201809261068366952-uk-boshirov-salisbury-williamson-skripal/
    .
    .
    Williamson is so useless, he is out of his depth in a puddle!

    1. Isa-Gavin Williamson is a Poo Bag!
      Type you find in open spaces. If I correct he a [Little Squirt] that
      was a Fireplace Salesman.
      He not got a jar of glue! But in a position of responsibility?

    2. Sorry Isa, hadn’t refreshed the page before I posted above and didn’t know you had already got it. It is hilarious actually, a total kick in the ***** for The Met, M_5, M_6… from the Defense Minister!

    1. Jo, I don’t want to teach you to suck eggs but I find the easiest way to navigate is to search by hour. I just put “September 26, 2018 at 7” in as my search term and then only get the posts for that hour. When I have read those, I just change the ‘7’ to an ‘8’ and read the next hour’s worth.

      The only change I would ask Rob to consider is going to a 24 rather than 12 hour system as my way gets all the 7am and 7pm posts, whereas 7 and 19 wouldn’t.

  16. That picture could be Me 82 down South Atlantic! We was
    Scruffy Buggers so to speak.
    I can pick Guy’s from that picture who look like friends but
    are not.

    I would take this Bellingcrap revelation with a pinch of salt
    at this time Guy’s-Gal’s.

    Timing of this latest release is very suspicious-telling

  17. This Anatoly Chepiga latest bellingcat ridiculous stories full of seems to be , appears and mild resemblances of a bearded man with a hat in an old picture despairs me .

    Só Putin , knowing that this colonel existed and was decorated would send him to live tv to be unmasked

    That and the fact that if that’s the state of highly decorated gru officers in direct flights , cheap hotels snd posing for cctv , god help Russia and their intelligence services ,

    give me strength .

    1. Isa-agree with you 100%
      You would not present a Military Guy to TV audience that you
      gave High Ranking Award and say he is a Civi.
      It will come back and bite Ya on bum. Total Fabrication!

  18. It will be interesting to see if anyone can find any reference to ‘Anatoliy Chepiga’ existing at all before bellingcat named him.

  19. It’s pretty obvious they were there for something. Like I said before lackadaisical couriers or the world’s worst assassins.
    If Sergei was getting something from Russia it is British intelligence who have the problem. They don’t know who was in his spy circle or how high up in MI6 they are.

  21. Hold Fire Guy’s!
    We talking Bellingcrap Here…Lets take stock and check.

    We bin lied to before and they will lie again to cover Fairy Story!

    1. I think we should just sack Basu and get rid of The Met. With a few online searches, Eliot Higgins has solved this in only one week! Basu spent six months and millions of pounds anto get nowhere.

      Very serious questions should be asked about WTF The Met was doing!

      In fact lets just make Eliot Higgins PM, because May is useless too.

    2. I don’t know about you but if a member of the White helmets ( now with branches in the UK ) or that bloke who reports on Syrian chemical weapons from the distance of Coventry say’s he’s Colonel Chapiga then that’s me convinced.

      As someone said previously Colonels do go on executive missions – unless it is high level negotiation – oh….let’s say a defector or an un- defector.

      Personally I’m unconvinced that they were there to see the Spire etc but I am reasonably convinced that they were in Salisbury to see someone.

      I am just as convinced that the Skripals know how and with what they were attacked but not the attackers.

      Juts as a side note.

      I’ve rewatched the BBC Doco on the treatment by the staff at SH and the interesting info is that the Consultant and the Medical Directors said that they could not recognise which nerve agent was used but could identify nerve agent poisoning from symptoms only. This was until PD experts gave them methods of treatment. Prior to this the staff were not optimistic about the pairs survival.

      Once PD gave them advice on the antidote ( you can’t have an antidote without having a dote yourself ) then ” miraculously ” they recovered quite quickly.

      The Medical Director [post PD advice referred to ” Novichock ” on many occasions but had said previously that they could only recognise nerve agent ( organo phosphate poisoning ) by symptoms.

      I suspect they all believed it was Novichock poisoning because PD told them it was. They couldn’t know anything different and for all they know it could have been any of the many nerve agents.

      Or maybe it wasn’t even a nerve agent at all?

      As was said The proof of the expert treatment is that the three of the people contaminated were not dead.

      On the balance of probability the fact that they are not dead maybe tempered with the possibility that the agent was not Novichock. Otherwise they most ceratinly be dead and many others cross contaminated to various degrees and SH would have had a mass of people queueing for treatment.

    1. Corbyn’s quote is worthy of a post of its own

      “We are entering a new fast-changing and more dangerous world including the reckless attacks in Salisbury which the evidence painstakingly assembled by the police now points clearly to the Russian state.”

      This is a lie.

      For the Leader of HMG’s Opposition to go along with the lie and even endorse it tells you how sick British politics is.

      Anybody a constituent of Corbyn? Who care to write to him and ask for sight of this evidence because I haven’t seen any.

      Corbyn’s lie is somehow worse than May’s. He disgusts me, any chance of Labour getting my protest vote has gone right out of the window.

  24. So not only did Anatoliy Chepiga go on global TV under a false name, but none of the hundreds, if not thousands of people who know him as Anatoliy Chepiga noticed it was him?

    1. Occam says Russia assassinates Russian traitors ergo Russia attempted to murder the Skripals.

      Occam says all manner of fanciful stories may be constructed but are very very very unlikely to be more plausible explanations.

      1. The trouble is, Peter, that old Occam’s having a hard time explaining how two people, apparently contaminated with “high purity military grade nerve agent” didn’t die, but went to feed ducks, have a meal and then a drink before collapsing simultaneously. He’s also having a hard time trying to explain why none of the hundreds of people who touched items that one or other of the Skripals also touched — the police who entered the house, the shoppers who touched the car park ticket machine, the boys who touched the bread, the diners and pub goers who touched the door handles at the restaurant and pub — none of them became contaminated. It might pass the test for the most absurd explanation, but it certainly ain’t very simple, is it?

      2. Occam says Russia assassinates Russian traitors ergo Russia attempted to murder the Skripals.
        ———————————-

        No, Occam says if Russia wanted to kill Skripal, Russia would have killed him in Russia.

        1. There is one case in Britain before that is claimed to have been Russia – Litvinenko and he is dubious.

          Apart from that who else after the times Stalin had Trotzki killed with an icepick?

      3. Ockham was a lazy thinker, nearly as lazy as the UK security services.

        Very quickly (too quickly) they knew it was Novichok, in their secret library they had a section on Russian poisoning techniques, in that section they have a manual that instructs assassins in the field on how to apply nerve agent to door handles / knobs.

        So they went looking for the source, they looked at the car and its ventilation system, they looked at the grave side flowers, they looked at the drinks and food in the Mill and Zizzi’s (interestingly they collected the vomit at the bench and sent it away, not for forensic examination, but for incineration), they considered Sergei may have received something in the post or by courier, they checked Yulias luggage to see if she had brought it with her, they scoured the 4000 hours of cctv footage to see where they had been, there were 4 missing hours where the police didn’t know where they were so they asked for the public’s help in plugging those 4 hours but wouldn’t tell the public what they looked like. They went through the house top to bottom, spent ages at the cemetery.

        But the one place where they knew the Russians would target, the door handle …….. they didn’t check.

        But I think what Ockham does encourage us to consider is 1) that the substance did not exhibit the properties of a nerve agent so best not assume it is one and 2) we don’t know who was on the bench so best not assume it was the Skripals.

        The simplest solution is to assume it wasn’t a nerve agent and it wasn’t the Skripals and it is a hoax. But if you want to go along with a logic defying complex scenario where the conclusions are impossible to verify then fill your boots you have plenty of company.

    1. If it is really true that he is a colonel of xxx, then there is something wrong with the story. A colonel is a rank directly below a general. A colonel has only leadership duties and no executive tasks, for example the command of a bigger naval unit or a regiment with 5000 soldiers. In no way will a colonel spray anything on a door handle.

      1. @John Mayers – What the report misses is that, while on operations, Boshirov’s callsign is, “Colonel Mustard.” He was at the outside door to the Hall, with the Lead Pipe, through which he poured Novichok onto the handle.

          1. Known by the beloved nickname given by the men in his crack unit, “The Colonel,” has always been a hands-on type of officer and he felt this mission was too important to leave to others. With his trusted Senior Sergeant Petrov on the team, he treated the door handle and then carefully put away the items in his compartmentalized and highly shielded backpack.

            The backpack, being an expensive bit of kit for which they’d have to pay if lost, was carried by the men all the way to Heathrow and then to Russia. They paused only to discard the decoy perfume bottle and meander about Salisbury city centre, to distract observers. Miserably failing on this important mission, the men were drummed out of the GU service upon their return, without pensions. Disgraced and poor, their wives left them They could only turn to each other for emotional and physical support. In desperation, they become pan-European nutritional supplement salesman.

  26. BBC NEWS:

    Skripal suspect ‘real identity revealed’

    The Bellingcat group claims the man who was named as Ruslan Boshirov is actually Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga.

    * * * *
    […]Bellingcat says that Col Chepiga was a soldier who served in Chechnya and was awarded the highest state award – Hero of the Russian Federation, usually bestowed personally by President Vladimir Putin.

    Bellingcat obtained extracts from the passport file of Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga. A picture of Mr Chepiga from 2003 appears to look like a younger version of the man who used the identity Ruslan Bushirov.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45656004

  27. I still convinced Mr Skripals BMW was a
    [Ringer-Double] being driven around while
    reel one parked Sainsbury’s. Much like A&R
    dancing under cctv cameras.

    Mystery Couple Major Players and got drugged.
    Backfired on HMG

  28. I got an answer from my FOI request of Network Rail – if Salisbury station CCTV has timestamps.
    They said in this instance they “need to consult with third parties”.
    Like I said before any of you guys in Salisbury can make a Subject Access Request to the Council or Network Rail for pictures of yourselves from their CCTVs.
    Obviously you could then compare that with what was released.

    1. @Patrick – I think the consultation will be a phone relay that goes: Network Rail > Met Police > MI6, and then a phone rings at 10 Downing Street. After a COBRA Emergency Meeting, PM May releases the following response to your FOI request.

      “On the weekend of 3-4 March, Salisbury Station had only one working HD camera that could be accurately timestamped by the CCTV system, and that was only in the late afternoon on Saturday. The Station’s other, much older and less capable, cameras did work on Sunday without the timestamp feature, which, I’ve been reliably informed, is generally of not much use in criminal cases. I regret to say none of the cameras in the London subway system or at other rail stations were functioning during that time period.”

      1. Rest assured Patrick I Will Personally Create A Task Force
        Robustly Dealing With Your Complaint On My Watch.

        Shoulder To Shoulder We Can Fight None Working CCTV
        On Trains-Stations-Streets Of Salisbury With Our U.S.Friends.

        Thank You Patrick for your interference

        Best Wishes Theresa May X

        1. P.S. Vote for Me and I can give you a Bung£££ Much
          like I did for Dawn-Charlie. Brexit Means Brexit and
          times are hard.
          Would get Me out of poo..Theresa X

          I do apologise Ladies-Gents,Especially Patrick!! Sorry
          for using your name in this part over cctv request but
          I can think-see you may have them on a backfoot.

          May and Government think We all stupid. We Not!

          Apologise to Patrick. Well Done!

  29. “Fall Skripal”

    Auswärtiges/Antwort – 24.09.2018 (hib 689/2018)

    Berlin: (hib/AHE) Die Bundesregierung äußert sich nicht zu bestimmten Fragen im Fall des Giftgasanschlags auf den früheren russischen und späteren britischen Agenten Sergej Skripal. Wie sie in der Antwort (19/4055) auf eine Kleine Anfrage der Fraktion Die Linke (19/3621) schreibt, würde eine VS-Einstufung und Hinterlegung der angefragten Informationen in der Geheimschutzstelle des Deutschen Bundestages ihrer erheblichen Brisanz im Hinblick auf die Bedeutung für die Aufgabenerfüllung des Bundesnachrichtendienstes (BND) nicht ausreichend Rechnung tragen. “Die angefragten Inhalte beschreiben die Fähigkeiten und Arbeitsweisen des BND so detailliert, dass eine Bekanntgabe auch gegenüber einem begrenzten Kreis von Empfängern ihrem Schutzbedürfnis nicht Rechnung tragen kann.” Die Abgeordneten hatten sich unter anderem danach erkundigt, ob es sich bei der Probe des Giftgases um ein Nervenkampfstoff beziehungsweise ein Vergleichsmuster oder Analoga der Nowitschok-Klasse gehandelt habe. ”

    Everything in relation with the Skripal case is so secret, that not only the German parliament can’t be informed. Absolutely NOBODY must get any answers to the questions raised by “Die Linke”
    about the German Secrete Service obtaining novichok samples. The same goes for any connections between Skripal and Orbis or any other activities of the ex-spy.

    I’m afraid, my English is not good enough for a proper translation. Whoever would like to give it
    a try with google translate, here are the originals:

    http://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/19/036/1903621.pdf

    http://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/19/040/1904055.pdf

  30. Are We being expected to take Met Police
    seriously.
    They cant tackle knife crime in London never mind
    a drug incident in Salisbury?

    Oh create another Task Force to investigate previous
    Task Force

    1. They used to be called squads and something CC’s created if they got bored or needed to justify their existence

  31. The images of Mr Skripal’s car being driven down India Avenue and then Devizes Road…
    ——————————————————-
    It seems I overlooked some info. I remember the Devizes Road video, but do not know the India Avenue image. It is important to know.

      2. If you look closely you can’t tell who is in the car, but if it was the same person caught by Devizes Inn CCTV the driver had a light brown sleeve, not leather

        1. That is correct Peter!
          Is it passing reflections on rear door glass behind driver or
          is someone sitting in back?
          Time-Mirror logo block at important part.

  33. @All – please listen to the voice of a man in the background at 7:00 to the end :
    https://www.gettyimages.ch/detail/video/sergei-skripal-poisoning-police-cordon-general-nachrichtenfilmmaterial/930007334

    What I understand is :
    “They are only decontaminating this. I speak to the homeless people yesterday. They say… Air ambulance… to remove this girl… doctor.”

    It is interesting to hear that homeless people were near the couple on the bench who witnessed what happened. Maybe it were Dawn and Charlie…

    If you understand more of what the man says, please post it here.

    1. “They’ve already decontaminated this…I’ve just been speaking to one of the homeless people in the [?] market.. she was saying they did that yesterday…”

    2. Standing in the rain is not much fun. We might as well go to the hospital.

      They’ve already decontaminated this. Um.. I’ve just been speaking to one of the homeless people in the car park and she was saying they did that yesterday.

      Air ambulance to remove the girl (inaubidle) …air ambulance in the car park… (inaudible) doctor.

      1. First reports from March 6
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/05/alleged-former-russian-spy-critically-exposure-unknown-substance/

        Police wearing protective suits on Monday night were examining the area around the bench where the couple had collapsed. One well-placed source told The Telegraph a number of police officers who had initially attended the scene had also been treated for possible contamination although this newspaper was unable to verify that.

        One report suggested a ‘specialist chemical response unit’ had removed an ‘unknown substance’ which had been wrapped in several protective layers.

    3. Male voice: “If I stand in the rain much longer, I shall have to go up the hospital … they’ve already decontaminated this, I’ve just been speaking to one of our homeless people in the car park, and she was saying they did this yesterday. Air ambulance to remove the girl, (muffled ‘and … I’?) didn’t realise that (mumble) … and the doctor … ”

      Nothing more of significance than you’ve already heard, Liane, and I can’t upload the sound clip with some of the rain noise filtered out.

    4. Thanks, Sibiriak, Paul and eleanor.
      These homeless people in the car park might have seen a lot.
      They could have seen who was loaded into the helicopter.
      Would be good to speak to them, if they are already there.

            1. I guess you have to ask the Kim Segupta from the Independent where he got the following information from – after Dawn Sturgess and Charles Rowley were poisoned
              https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/salisbury-poisoning-russia-suspects-female-novichok-attack-skripals-cctv-a8454501.html

              Investigators had narrowed down the suspects around 12 days ago to between two and four people, including a woman, from CCTV footage, with two carrying and administering the nerve agent, and others providing backup. Security agencies have also made progress, they claim, in cross-checking with people who came into the country before the poisoning of former MI6 agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia last March.

              A bottle found at the home of Charlie Rowley, who along with his partner Dawn Sturgess, was poisoned by the nerve agent used in the Skripal attack at the end of last month, is said to have yielded forensic evidence which has also helped drive the investigation. Ms Sturgess subsequently died on 8 July: an inquest into her death was opened and adjourned today with police enquiries continuing. Mr Rowley remains severely ill. His brother, Matthew, has said that Ms Sturgess had sprayed from a discarded perfume bottle the couple had found onto her wrist.

              July was also the time when the first photographs of Borishov and Petrov in Wilton Road appeared.

      1. Not all homeless people are rough sleepers, so the person the policeman had spoken to may well have a roof over her head and a bed at night.

    6. @Liane at 9:43 am
      My understanding of 7:00-7:24 end:
      “Well, standing in the rain’s not much fun. We might as well go up to the hospital then.” “Nah.”

      “They’ve already decontaminated this..I’ve just been speaking to one of the homeless people in the car park and she was saying they did that yesterday..(um)..air-ambulance to remove (the) the girl as the whole idea was that and the air-ambulance landed in the car park ..(um)..doctor”

      I think it’s “idea” unless there’s an acronym or something that sounds like ‘igreer.’

      2. https://www.gettyimages.ch/detail/video/sergei-skripal-poisoning-police-cordon-general-nachrichtenfilmmaterial/930007334
        (above link from Liane’s request at 9:43 am).

        My understanding of 7:00-7:24 end:

        “Well, standing in the rain’s not much fun. We might as well go up to the hospital then.” “Nah.”

        “They’ve already decontaminated this..I’ve just been speaking to one of the homeless people in the car park and she was saying they did that yesterday..(um)..air-ambulance to remove (the) the girl as the whole agreement was that and the air-ambulance landed in the car park ..(um)..doctor”

        I now think it’s “agreement” (thought ‘idea’ at 1:31 pm).

  34. What is the true value of history, if you don’t learn a thing or two from it?

    The Skripal Saga’s prequel: Britain investigates ‘the Great Forgery’ of 1924 – Link to SOTT

    Excerpt : “In October, 1924 the so-called Zinoviev Letter (or “red letter”, as it was christened back then in the English press) indeed shook the foundations of British society and directly affected the results of parliamentary elections, as a result of which the first government of Labourists was disbanded. “

    1. I have the book at home – “Gekaufte Journalisten”.
      It´s an eye opener.
      Udo Ulfkotte died 2017 from a heart attack.
      Lots to say about this book and how the other journalists reacted.
      They even prevented an online version, so that it´s not possible to translate it into other languages.

      1. Thank you Liane, I really want to read it but alas no translation . My German is very , very rusty and basic but I’d say with some effort and a dictionary I’d be able to read it . Can i buy it online in German or any particular bookshop in Germany ? Sounds really interesting .

          2. Thank you Daniel . Amazon has blocked the English version if you click on it it will give you no copies available or copies available at 900 pounds . I’ll check the German option now on Amazon . Thank you .

          1. Nowadays the security services use not only journalists, NGOs and think tank, but “citizen journalists” too. You know … couch potatoes…

            1. Yes . Bellingcat would have fallen under that . A couch potato . There’s armies of social media users planted online to basically stop inconvenient debates . Some horribly PR companies others by intelligence “ arms “ sickening and the more I read the more I feel like the character in the pelican brief .

      2. @ Liane Theuer ,

        Says it all, doesn’t it?

        Will these pallbearers of truth do the unthinkable and start burning books?

        1. Yes indeed, Daniel.
          I didn´t know that a English version of “Gekaufte Journalisten” is on the market. Thanks for the links.

        3. Just this week in Austria (translated from German) :
          Quote: An email from the Interior Ministry triggers discussion about media censorship. The media quoted from the mail as follows:
          “Unfortunately, as always, certain media (for example, ‘Standard’, ‘Falter’) and, more recently, the ‘Kurier’ have a very one-sided and negative coverage of the BMI or the police … Otherwise, I allow myself the suggestion to restrict communication with these media to the most necessary (legally prescribed) level and not allow them any rewards such as exclusive accompaniments … ”
          https://www.vienna.at/mail-des-innenministeriums-loest-diskussion-um-medien-zensur-aus/5936769

      4. You could always use ocr/icr software to scan and convert it Liane. A long and tedious process, but it does work: WIPO set up their first system to do this for international patent archives back in the early 90s – I worked on the project.

        But then, what are the copewright issues?

      5. This book caused some furore in Germany because it named well-known journalists, e.g. Klaus Dieter Frankenberger from the FAZ. Ulfkotte himself was an FAZ journalist for many years.

        Interestingly, the book could be read until recently on archive.org, but the link has now been removed.

  36. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130340754?oq=novichok
    Powder dispersion devices and methods

    Abstract
    A dry powder inhaler may include a powder storage, an inlet channel, a dispersion chamber, and an outlet channel. A geometry of the inhaler may be such that a flow profile is generated within the dispersion chamber that causes an actuator to oscillate, enabling the actuator when oscillating to deaggregate powdered medicament within the dispersion chamber to be aerosolized and entrained by the air and delivered to a patient through the outlet channel.

    [0129]
    Examples of psychological agents may include 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ), Phencyclidine (SN), Lysergic acid diethylamide (K), and the like.

    [0133]
    Examples of nerve agents may include G series such as Tabun (GA), Sarin (GB), Soman (GD), Cyclosarin (GF), GV series such as Novichok agents, GV (nerve agent), V series such as VE, VG, VM, and the like.

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160256851A1/en?q=reactive+self-indicating&q=absorbent&q=materials%2c&q=methods&q=systems&oq=reactive+self-indicating+absorbent+materials%2c+methods+and+systems

    Reactive Self-Indicating Absorbent Materials, Methods, and Systems

    Abstract
    The present disclosure relates, according to some embodiments, reactive self-indicating adsorbent materials, methods, and systems. A system may comprise, for example, a reactive self-indicating adsorbent material, wherein the reactive self-indicating adsorbent material comprises at least one super paramagnetic particle and a semi permeable support, wherein the at least one super paramagnetic particle is configured such that at least one magnetic property of the at least one super paramagnetic particle changes upon contact with an adsorbate; and/or at least one detector configured and arranged to detect the at least one magnetic property. In some embodiments, a method for assessing the performance and/or remaining life of an adsorbent material may comprise (a) contacting a fluid comprising an adsorbate with the adsorbent material under conditions that permit the adsorbate to contact the at least one super paramagnetic particle, wherein a change in a magnetic property of the at least one super paramagnetic particle occurs upon contact with the adsorbate; (b) detecting the magnetic property of the at least one super paramagnetic particle; and/or (c) comparing the detected magnetic property to a reference to produce an assessment of the performance and/or remaining life of the adsorbent material.

    [0008]
    According to some embodiments, MNPs and/or adsorbent materials may be contacted with and/or bind one or more of a wide variety of adsorbates. Examples of adsorbates may include, without limitation, Agent 15 (BZ), ammonia, an arsine, arsenic pentafluoride, bis(trifluoromethyl)peroxide, boron tribromide, boron trichloride, boron trifluoride, bromine, bromine chloride, bromomethane, carbon monoxide, chlorine, chlorine pentafluoride, chlorine trifluoride, chloropicrin, cyanogen, cyanogen chloride, cyclosarin (GF), diazinon, diazomethane, diborane, dichloroacetylene, dichlorosilane, dimethyl methylphosphonate (DMMP), disulfur decafluoride, fluorine, formaldehyde (gas), germane, hexaethyl tetraphosphate, hydrogen azide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen cyanide, hydrogen selenide, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen telluride, Lewisite (L), nickel tetracarbonyl, a nitrogen oxide (e.g., nitrogen dioxide), nitrogen mustard (HN-1, HN-2, HN-3),

    ***** a Novichok agent, oxygen difluoride, pepper spray,

    perchloryl fluoride, perfluoroisobutylene, phosgene, phosgene oxime (CX), phosphine, phosphorus pentafluoride, pinacolyl methylphophonate (PMP), sarin (GB), selenium hexafluoride, silicon tetrachloride, silicon tetrafluoride, soman (GD), stibine, sulfur mustard (HD, H), sulfur dioxide, sulfur tetrafluoride, tabun (GA), tear gas, tellurium hexafluoride, tetraethyl dithiopyrophosphate, tetraethyl pyrophosphate, trifluoro acetylchloride, tungsten hexafluoride, VR, VX, and combinations thereof.

    http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/novichok-delivery-system-patented-in-the-us/

  37. It seems that we have forgotten about the assassins. Someone had to poison the Skripals. It is likely they were two. Some speculation: Maybe, it was them who were taken by the air ambulance. For instance, the attack did not go perfectly and the attackers got contaminated, slightly. Feeling unwell (not very ill), they did not go far from the crime scene (perhaps, it was the riverside walk between the Mill’s passageway and the bench). They were waiting for help and then they were airlifted to some place where they were attended by PD doctors.

    2. There will have been a lot more than just two.

      Or the “attackers” had direct access to Skripal, ie were known to him or expected by him.
      Like Glushkov who opened his door and his huge dog did not say anything.
      There has been no reporting on Glushkov, apart from “not related to Skripal”.

      1. Yes very strange this one-a week later wasn’t it? Who was other Guy
        found naked in a bag and padlocked from outside few years ago?

        How do you strangle self then hang yourself up or get in a bag then
        padlock it?

  38. Whenever something happens [preferably a ‘threat to national security’] it doesn’t take long for strange phenomenon to start taking place and develop. The twin towers were still smoldering, while a 342 page USA Patriot Act was rushed through congress. Perhaps a bit slower, but the UK’s answer to ‘terrorism’ = UK spies go on the offensive with yet another costly intelligence agency – Link to RT.

    Now, why do I have this nagging feeling the above will be aimed at dissident voices and thinkers as well…?

      1. Makes a lot of sense. I have personally met a Russian woman who lives in Wiltshire and manages assets and investments in the UK for wealthy Russians. The idea that documents would have to be sent to and from Russia for signatures to authorise investments and payments etc is entirely plausible.

  40. If alleged evidence such as table-chairs from Zizzi restaurant
    Mr Skripal’s pets
    Miss Sturgess[R.I.P. No disrespect] have all been cremated very
    quickly what evidence have we got to back any evidence being held?

    Only evidence I can see in existence is alleged perfume bottle that does
    not seem like evidence. It fits the story-hoax narrative.

    1. I’m still baffled as to how PnB managed to put the sellophane wrap back on the Premier Jour packaging, so that it looked unwrapped and untampered with. Or, this was a separate dose of novihoax.

      Nina Ricci, couture parfumier et al, best known for its signature L’Air du Temps.

      Premier Jour, an everyday scent launched c2002, and still available on ebay – check the prices, not expensive at all and never was. But that doesn’t mean that cheap counterfeit copies mightn’t have been made, and the packaging hijacked for more nefarious purposes.

      1. Quite.

        Here’s the thing though re: Charlie’s actions.

        He put the top on perfume bottle and gets it all over his hands.

        He says it was oily and odourless.

        So why would he then hand it over to Dawn when he knows it’s not perfume. It has no fragrance and is oily – what use would that be to Dawn?

        My take is that the house was searched prior to finding it ( I hope the bins were searched?) and I can’t believe that the search teams missed it. Due to that belief I can only assume that someone else put it on the kitchen counter later.

        Who did that, I’ve no idea but someone did.

        1. I thought I’d read that Charlie described the perfume as having some kind of ammonia smell, Ken Kenn, and also oily. Before I read that the smell was less than pleasant, I did understand that real eau de parfum can sometimes be oilier or thicker than eau de toilette or even parfum. I also recalled that an ex declared that a favourite scent of mine (although it was called ‘perfume’ way back when) smelled like cat’s pee but settled into a beguiling aroma once it had settled on the skin for 20 mins or so.

          Other than that, I agree with most of what you write, but need to add that I’ve never seen a fragrance dispenser with such a peculiar applicator; designed as it seemed to be for squirting into or through some rather small orifice (like a keyhole maybe, or an ear).

          My latest baffled admission is about when the lab samples got switched, and OPCW aquired military grade, extremely pure Novichok-type nerve agent. Because what Sergei, Yulia, DSB, Dawn and Charlie obviously wasn’t.

          (More apols, I’ve anonymously posted downthread the co-ordinates for the 5 March helicopter flight to Corfe Mullen.)

          1. Ammonia is used for chemical synthesis. If Charlie thought it was perfume he would not have put on the applicator, perfumes don’t need that. They are either rubbed into the skin or sprayed.
            Charlie and Dawn thought they had got a drug solution. The applicator is designed to get small amounts under your tongue.

            1. Ah, I see what you mean … never thought of that.

              The perfume stuff I could process, but not Charlie and Dawn’s interest as you explain it – thank you.

              1. The interesting part is that British authorities connect the two incidents via Novichok but separate them in their indictment against Petrov and Borishov.

                Connecting the two would mean that the people who did this were drug dealers.

                Glushkov has been rumoured to use drugs. Him expecting drugs would explain why he opened the door and held his dog back.

    2. Mark –
      There’s evidence suggesting that the pets were probably rescued before the events of 4th March. I wrote about this some time ago.

      I don’t believe the perfume-bottle fairy story. Yes, a bottle did magically appear on the kitchen top from somewhere after being overlooked for a week or so by highly-trained police officers, but it had nothing to do with Dawn’s death – and never contained ‘новичок’ or even ‘Novichok’ …or even a ‘related substance of a type developed in Russia’.

      1. Eleanor occasionally –
        I’ve given up baffling my brain on the perfume-bottle/applicator/wrapping idiocy. It’s so utterly stupid that it’s not worth the mental effort. I suspect that Charley was easily bribed to say what they wanted him to say, but he made a few mistakes on the way, so they’ve just had to stick with the nonsensical story and hope the public don’t notice the glaring inconsistencies.

        1. Being baffled is a good alternative to counting sheep …

          I’ve wondered whether the Novichok sample might have been salvaged months earlier by a third party who bequeathed it to Charley Rowley with words along the lines of ‘Your Dawn might like this’. Actually, it doesn’t matter what I think or hypothesise – and there are plenty of other opportunities for me to displace my time with, such as spending most of Sunday reading this thread.

          Thank you to all the contributors, it’s been an insightful and rivetting read.

          Next time, I’ll just be ‘eleanor’.

      2. I disagree over Sergei’s pets and fully agree over the perfume bottle tale, which is sheer nonsense.

        With regard to the pets, I believe they died (the cat was killed in PD), as I think that Sergei is a victim and he did not plan any secret operation.

        1. Milda – Have you read my argument for believing the pets survived? If so, please point out any flaws. If not, please read it.

          1. Miheila,
            Right now I’ve looked through this thread but in vain. I will look through the previous thread tomorrow, as I have to do other things tonight. Sorry.

            1. Milda. Not your fault. This blog is a nightmare to navigate. Posts are easy to miss, and hard to find. And it keeps timing out too, when I make comments. So annoying !

              I said this on the “Some questions for the met” page:

              “When I said: ‘Anyway, why on earth would he want to fit an attachment ? It would spray perfectly well without it,’ I was referring to Charlie, NOT an assassin. I also said no woman would have any use for that silly add-on nozzle, and it would get in the way in a handbag too. I still can’t see how by pressing on the vertical part of that nozzle attachment any spray could be produced. It has no room to move. Study the police photo. Any pressure would simply be against the glass top of the bottle, rather than against an internal plunger.

              Also I’d like to hear of any flaws in my theory (last blog) regarding the pets and the second cat – which was the clue that clinched my suspicion that no pets were present when the police entered that house on 4th March.

              As far as I can see, both the bottle story and the pets’ story are further lies in a massive web of lies. …and I believe Rus & Sasha are genuine too”.

              This refers to what I said in an earlier post still, which I’ll try to find for you. When I said I thought A&R were genuine I meant they were not assassins, used no nerve agent or incapacitant and had harmed nobody. I now suspect that they were couriers of some kind.

      3. Miheila-Many thanks for reply! Yeah new to site so playing catch-up.
        Found your previous post regarding pets.

        Thanks

    3. Thanks Mark, my surmise is that when you are hell bent on having a major war with a world superpower that has frustrated your military adventures, you will stop at nothing, you would kill innocents for propaganda enrichment and pump public hysteria. It would be no trouble to dose a bottle of perfume and recover the carton.

      For perspective: each missile was $570,000 in 1999. And how many were shot at Syria a few months ago? 120. And most were intercepted and destroyed thanks to Syrian use of Russian defence systems.

      THAT is just the small part of the crime against humanity perpetrated on Syria and Yemen courtesy of britain. How much will it cost the englanders to resettle those poor white helmet refugees? How much did the englanders spend setting them up? What sort of security industry contribution will they make in britain once introduced? Good luck.

      A cellophane wrapping machine is peanuts when compared to $$$ being guzzled by the englanders security industry and arms companies.

  41. Statement of the German Federal Government on September 24 (translated from German) :

    The Federal Government does not comment on specific issues in the case of the poison gas attack on the former Russian and later British agent Sergei Skripal. As she writes in the answer (19/4055) to a small request of the faction Die Linke (19/3621), a VS-classification and deposit of the requested information in the Geheimschutzstelle (secret protection agency) of the German Bundestag (parliament) would not take sufficient account in view of their substantial explosiveness in regard to the importance for the task performance of the Federal Intelligence Service (BND). “The requested contents describe the capabilities and working methods of the BND in such detail that even a limited number of recipients can not meet their protection needs.”
    Among other things, the deputies had inquired whether the sample of the poison gas was a nerve agent or a comparison sample or analogs of the Novichok class.
    https://www.bundestag.de/presse/hib/-/570038

    So not even the MPs of the opposition in parliament are allowed to know what the UK has told the German Federal Government.
    Above all, the government is shy to answer the question of whether Novichok was really found.
    I think that speaks volumes.

    1. Liane –
      It sounds as if the BND is little different to what it was in the days of Gehlen, just another appendage of the CIA. (I used to monitor and analyse countless BND agent-running transmissions).

      I did have a certain respect for the DDR’s head of the Hauptverwaltung Aufklärung of the MfS, Markus Wolf though, the most professional spy of them all – especially when,after unification, he turned down the CIA’s ‘seven-figure’ offer to defect, with a new identity and a home in California.

    2. They answered it.

      They are saying – without saying – that the German Government got no official information via OPWC or the British government beyond what has been in the media.

      Otherwise they would have to say “We promised Britain to keep it secret”.

      They say that an answer would have to come from German Secret Service BND – whose methods should not be public. So they have information but not through the official channel.

      1. Er… yes, I suppose for our purposes they did answer it, but in a convoluted way. Put simply, it’s what was NOT said that speaks volumes about UKG’s official narrative.

        1. Yes, sometimes they kinda answer without answering. A common reply to these small enquiries (I believe the official English name for them is „minor Interpellations“) is „the Fed Government has no knowledge going beyond the information that has been published. One would be free to interpret this as confirming – or not denying – published reports. This is how they answered the questions about Skripal and Orbis, which is quite interesting.

        2. They did more than answer it as Liane translated above.

          Among the many questions that “die Linke” asked they tied their answer explicitely to
          “Die Abgeordneten hatten sich unter anderem danach erkundigt, ob es sich bei der Probe des Giftgases um ein Nervenkampfstoff beziehungsweise ein Vergleichsmuster oder Analoga der Nowitschok-Klasse gehandelt habe. ”

          The German government should have this information “was it a sample of a nerve gas, a comparative pattern or an analogue of the Novichok class”, via OPCW.

          Another mantra the German Foreign Office uses in his answers is
          “We trust the investigation of the British government”
          So they have no official assessment of their own.

  42. Guys, I honestly don’t think we should be raising questions about whether Juergen is Jürgen, or who he is. Everybody on this site, like participants in all online forums, should only be known by the avatars they choose for themselves.

    Thanks to Liane for quoting the articles by Jürgen Cain Külbel in RT Germany. As an aside, here’s a nice passage in his latest article which I don’t think Liane included:

    Quote…
    The developments in the Skripal case in the last week have put absurdities before the public. To sum up: Russian contract killers fly with genuine passes containing a stamp pointing to their secret service activities [a reference to a Bellingcat story] as well as extremely deadly nerve agent in their luggage directly from Moscow to London, have the transfer corridors between pass control and baggage claim opened up for them remotely at precisely the same second by Russian hackers [a reference to a Sun story], check into a mid-class non-smoking hotel in London, smoke like chimneys there, fool around in room with prostitutes and Novichok, and wander around in Salisbury for two days from one CCTV camera to the next in the direction of the victim’s house in order to smear the door handle with nerve agent in the middle of the day. Minutes before, according to an elderly man, the pair were seen casually swinging on the swings in a children’s playground near the crime scene [a reference to a Daily Mirror story].

    If I were one of the detectives working on the criminal case “murder and attempted murder with Novichok” against the victims Julia and Sergei Skripal, Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess, after the “disclosures” of recent days I would have asked to be released from the case. It is all too clear that other interests than solving a capital crime with one dead and four injured have moved into the foreground. It is pointless to examine the “evidence” that Scotland Yard has so far put forward for its evidential value. The story that has been presented is no longer credible.
    End quote

    I would echo his last point. The thing has become so far removed from reality that one is in danger of losing one’s sense of how utterly ridiculous it is. It is absolutely impossible for a state-sponsored assassination attempt to have been done this way. The very fact that the supposed assassins relied on public transport and had neither a vehicle nor a “Plan B” available, should be proof enough of its absurdity.

    1. Good post. Nothing has been real or truthful since 6 March. The story is beyond fanciful. Everyone has been lying.

  43. An Operational-Care Maintenance Unit is most probable. Background
    noise as in whistles-sirens. Training of some type?
    Turbine noise-Airfield sounds!
    Aircraft overhead-Airfield sounds!

  44. Miheila have you seen the places this G-OAUD helicopter went on March 7th?

    https://flight-data.adsbexchange.com/map?icao=400c58&date=2018-03-07

    Visited Northolt, then to somewhere around Haddenham area. Transponder off so maybe further north west. Then all the way down to Bournemouth again for four hours (maybe Charborough Park) then most likely to Porton Down with transponder off again.

    Then to RAF Benson at Wallingford. Then down to somewhere south of Riseley, not sure what’s there.

    It then goes up to somewhere near Gerrards Cross, maybe to Charlfont Lodge, St Peter which is a healthcare centre which provides nursing care for people who need a qualified nursing care team available to them 24 hours a day. and Dementia Care which is handy if you don’t want other patients to remember you were ever there.

    Seems to have started the day at maybe ‘Ascot Place’. Do we know who Lord Rob Hernandez is? He looks after the Ascot Place mansion apparently. It ended its day there as well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Benson
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascot_Place
    https://www.barchester.com/home/chalfont-lodge-care-centre

    1. Denise –
      Interesting. I did see the previous post on this flight and looked at the map, but have no time to go into this this at the moment – but I will later.

      Off hand I can tell you that Benson was the old HQ of the Royal Flight (before it moved to Northolt), and is now a purely RAF helicopter base, although I think the runways are still there. Riseley is interesting, for it was the site of a chemical weapon store, but officially it was decontaminated years ago. (There were 50 or more similar sites hidden away around the country).

      1. Miheila, which ‘Riseley’ are you referring to?

        There is a Risely North of Bedford that was used as a chemical store – mainly mustard gas.

        But there’s only a farm strip there, I used to fly from it. It’s just North of Thurleigh airfield, ex-RAF base and now has a QinetiQ establishment there.

    1. Does date-time coincide with Yulias statement give take time
      of Hospital release.
      Weather looks correct?

      Im not doubting!

    2. Yes, Patrick, that´s exactly the same whistle sound.
      But I also agree with others here that it doesn´t matter where the video was taken. Says nothing about the real whereabouts of the Skripals.

      1. Liane, I think it is not correct to say it tells us nothing about the real whereabouts – and more importantly who has control of the Skripals.

        If the location I believe it to be is correct, then HMG has not got control of the Skripals and everything they and all other parties (SDH, OPCW, The Met, etc.) have said is a fabrication. If I am correct, the Skripals were never on the bench, never in SDH, no blood tests were performed, etc etc etc.

        Potentially it will reveal and prove “irrefutably” the lies.

  46. Here is the Ordnance Survey map of Fairford. The thin blue line is a footpath that winds through the trees and around the lawn:

    https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/51.68931,-1.77607,17

    This is the same location on Google Maps:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/RAF+Fairford/@51.6890552,-1.7767085,245m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x939ab16b9b2b7202!8m2!3d51.6847694!4d-1.7781973

    In the bottom left hand corner, you can toggle between ‘satellite’ view and ‘map’ view. Map view shows the same footpath as Ordnance Survey but by toggling you can see where it passes through the trees.

    In satellite view, the holes in the tree canopy show darker – just to the right of the center of the wooded area.

    I think this is where the video was shot. All the ‘English’ props show it was shot in England, or the props were flown to another location. I think it was shot in England – the crow ladder trap is authentic and not a recent addition. It is quite a large wooded area and the gaps in the canopy are unusual – I cannot find another air base in the UK with a similar wooden area that is not just dense with trees. It is an air base because you can hear jet turbines on the ground.

    Two things, however, really stand out. The first is the path – the video shot of Yulia walking towards the camera shows it is (or was) a well maintained path… but it is now weed strewn. The clincher: the piles of tree bark behind Yulia – they are weathered and have been sitting there for a few years (probably more than five). Maintenance clearly stopped a few years ago.

    Since 2010 Fairford has been held on a care and maintenance basis, with a civilian staff. Flights do still take off and land there but it is is currently a standby airfield and not in everyday use.

    If HMG had control of the Skripals I doubt the video would have been made – what was the point?

    If HMG had control of the Skripals, it would require some serious mis-direction to shoot the video on what is practically ‘US sovereign soil’.

    If HMG has not got control of the Skripals… they are in serious trouble and all they can do is lie – about everything.

  47. Rob and the Team.

    We know that Ross took Sergei up to LHR on Saturday and returned with Yulia.
    Ross lives at 404 Devizes Road.
    Is the consensus among the Blogmirers that Sergei’s car was not moved on the Saturday?
    Sunday has CCTV footage of the BMW on Devizes Road.
    ( This could be heading away from Ross’s house, or the way Sergei usually drove from CM Road into town? Rob?)
    If the cemetery visit took place at 9-15am Sunday, what do we think we know about the car location on Saturday and is it likely that Sergei walked to pick it up from a location away from his house?
    Ross would know this from Saturday events, but I don’t see any record of this.
    This to me sort of implies that the BMW was in it’s usual place all day Saturday, Saturday night and then was only moved when Sergei and Yulia headed to the cemetery on Sunday morning.

    1. “If the cemetery visit took place at 9-15am Sunday, … and then was only moved when Sergei and Yulia headed to the cemetery on Sunday morning.”

      It’s understandable that a cemetery visit would have been one of the first things Yulia might have wanted, 1 March having been the first birthday anniversary since Sasha’s death.

      There seem to be fresh flowers on both the graves of Liudmila and Sasha and there’s a care tag on one pot of flowers, on his grave. Where might these have been bought? Where would be open before 10:00 on a Sunday morning?

      (Apologies, from a late arriver, and please ignore if this has already been addressed)

      1. May I call you Eleanor this time?

        The smaller shops like Tesco Express do not have to follow Sunday trading hours. Likewise the petrol station stores, where real flowers are on sale. You raise a point that has been discussed before, in that, did Sergei buy the flowers on Saturday knowing that Yulia would want to visit the cemetery early in her UK visit, and that real rather than artificial flowers were more appropriate.
        If Sergei’s car was stationary all day Saturday, and Rus and Alex were in town, then to me this shows that dosing a house door handle or car door handles was not their mission.
        They came back on Sunday because Sergei and/or Yulia had to be involved.
        Rus and Alex would know that Yulia would not be in Salisbury yet, (flight details must have been known) so Saturday was always going to be a reconnaissance trip, as Sergei would not be in town and Yulia had not yet arrived.

        1. Eleanor is just fine, Duncan, and thanks for the reply!

          Don’t want to disrupt the flow of this thread, but only wanted to add that Yulia might have preferred to choose the flowers herself. Even if she didn’t mind, weather-wise Saturday would not have been the day to take the Beemer out on snowy / slushy / icy roads. Maybe the flowers were bought en route whilst going to or returning from LHR.

          (Blummin’ system is supposed to send an email if there’s a reply, and it didn’t.)

          1. I think the cemetery visit soon after Sasha’s birthday was intended to be their last ever, before escaping back to Russia. It could still have been their last, but not for the same reason. Time will tell. They had probably made all the necessary arrangements over the previous few weeks, including making sure the pets were safe. There will be a very sad human side to this affair, that’s easy to overlook amidst all the scheming and insanity.

            Don’t worry Eleanor seldomly… it doesn’t send me emails either. The ‘system’ isn’t very user-friendly. I wish it was a forum – much easier to use, and to post under particular topics.

    2. “BMW was in it’s usual place all day Saturday, Saturday night and then was only moved when Sergei and Yulia headed to the cemetery on Sunday morning.”

      I agree, Duncan.
      But this solves not the problem of their whereabouts on Sunday morning.
      What makes Ross so sure, that they were at home noon ?
      And have in mind that they might have brought the pets to a save place.
      Ross never mentioned the pets, although he should be very angry about their fate.
      But no word about it. Does he know where the pets are ?

  49. If you put your old style lcd phone on table you place it with screen at
    top-buttons at bottom facing you. Just something you do.

    They could be items being used by others off screen-behind camera.
    Most probably recording devices?

    Co-op water-Yes it is but this can be purchased in bulk. Does not prove
    a location of nearest Co-op. Same with chair-table.

    Could be any number of Airfields operational or not. M.O.D. Security-
    Living Quarters-Hospital. Helicopters-Aircraft landing-take-off all time.
    Locals would not look up.
    If not operational airfield Helicopters like Police-Air Ambulance need somewhere
    to do training.

    Whistles in background…Could be Police Dog Training or Falconry.
    Overhead aircraft noise-emergency vehicle sirens..Anywhere in U.K.

    1. Hi Mark – I don’t understand why seemingly everyone wants to say the video was not shot near Heathrow when Reuters said it was in London.
      I would say the mix of sounds is more consistent with London than an air base. Ambulances only use the bullhorn to shift stubborn drivers in heavy traffic not on remote air bases.

      YouTube video of planes over Syon Park. Consistent with Yulia sound I’d say.

      https://youtu.be/e90X_0OOfyw

      If MI6 dropped a clanger by using water from the nearest shop it just shows they are on the same level of competency as the GRU.

      1. Hello Patrick! Yes I agree but Airfield Crash Units use Horns also.
        Practise-Training,Sirens Blaring!
        We all trying to find truth-solution to this case.
        I am a newbie to this site and trying to get up to speed.

        Whistles could be a nearby school calling kids after dinner. I don’t Know?

        I am not doubting you or anyone…Good ideas-theory’s

        Wouldn’t it be better to place Skripals in a Secure Location like an M.O.D.
        Facility..Boscome Down only down road. Hidden in plane site.

        Something very strange has happened-Fact! Unusual Helicopter flights
        not good. Does this mean Skripals have been split.

        Was Bailey being moved to secure location awaiting arrival of family?

        I don’t know Patrick?

        1. Plane site, very good .

          For me the hoax is proved beyond reasonable doubt. Hmg has lied. The lies are on official record and cannot be forgotten but they can be distracted from.

          There are so many details that will never be known and some only explained following proper investigation.

          But what we have is the PM lying in Parliament and the police covering up the circumstances of the death of Dawn Sturgess.

          Implicated in the cover up are Porton Down incl Public Health England, the OPCW, Wilshire Air Ambulance, the immediate first responders and the entire MSN.

          It is easier for some to follow rabbits down rabbit holes than face up to the enormity and depravity of the true situation that we already have the evidence for.

  50. So far, we have not seen a single photo of the Skripals or Christie Miller road that was taken on March 4th.
    A source that wants to remain anonymous has now leaked a dashcam recording to me.
    It shows Christie Miller road on March 4 at 12:06:33.
    Pssst – do not tell anyone.

    https://ibb.co/mt59sU

      1. No, Paul, she’s not Rebecca. She’s A&R’s handler (coincidentally named Liane Theuer), guarding the neighbours’ house to make sure the bumbling super-agents don’t smear the wrong door handle. You can never be too careful when handling incompetents wielding dripping bottles of Novichok (or related substance of a type developed in Russia).

        A confession.

        Liane’s ‘anonymous source’, the driver of the car, was actually me, but PLEASE don’t tell anyone, for it would spoil things and I don’t want to ‘disappear’. I’d visited the cathedral with its clock (which keeps much better time than local CCTVs), and its 123 foot erection (admired by Polly Boiko, no less), dawdled at Dauwalders (buying a old Soviet Kim Philby commemorative stamp), and drove into CM Road to wait for Liane and the lads after they’d completed their mission. All went as planned. Thanks to the sound advice given in the GRU Assassination Handbook (1989, ISBN classified) the two plods at the door were easily convinced by A&R’s cunning explanation.

        “Ello, ‘ello! What have we ‘ere then?” they asked in unison.
        “Ve have come from the East with gift of lavender oil to anoint Gospodin Skripal’s squeaky door handle”, said Ruslan in a strong Russian accent.
        “Haven’t we Sasha?” (cough, nudge, wink)
        “я не понемаю…” said Sasha, confused, and in very poor English.
        “Just say да констабль!” whispered Rus.
        “Da konstable!”
        “Aaah. Oi see…”, said the slow-witted uniformed pair in uniformity. “Well, in that case, go right ahead. Who are we to stop you going about your lawful business?”.

        Ruslan nonchalently opened his rucksack, flung out several pairs of shoes, his GRU Assassination Manual, a copy of Gay News, train timetables, etc. and then removed a small box, slit the cellophane wrapping open (admiring the quality of the triangular folds), and using his Swiss penknife (a gift from Sasha, bought in Geneva), opened the box, took out a small bottle of Premier Jour perfume, fumbled for several minutes while trying to attach the useful applicator, and was just about to hand it over to Sasha, when an obliging constable intervened.

        “Please, let me. You’ve come a long way and you’re soaked in sleet”.

        Detective Sergeant Bailey, for that was his name, eagerly took the bottle, complete with its useless applicator and pressed it authoritatively. Nothing happened. Frustrated, he wrenched off the useless thing and pressed down on the exposed plunger. The contents immediately splurged over the handle in a graceful rainbow-coloured arc, and to finish the job off he heroically used his hands for a more thorough daubing. By the time he’d finished, the doormat was sodden with the gloopy stuff that smelt faintly of ammonia.

        “Job done, lads!” he announced proudly, his colleague admiring his skillful handiwork.

        He generously gave the half empty bottle back to its owner.

        “Mr Skripal’s bin is missing. Just instruct your driver to take it round to Catherine Street. You’ll find an alleged charity bin there. Just pop it in there. You don’t want to be apprehended for dropping litter on the Queen’s Highway”.

        And with that sound advice, A, R & L scrambled into my waiting car, but before heading for the bin, Liane took off her black wig, took out her shrink-wrap machine from a red bag, and applied its wizardry to the box containing the half-full bottle and useless applicator, making sure that she made neat triangular folds. It took a good 15 minutes before it reached GRU-acceptable gift-wrapped standards. I drove off, and as we sped triumphantly down Ivy Street, Liane reached out of the open window and deftly flung the box in the bin, whereupon we glimpsed one of the local rough-sleepers diving head first into the bin. Not wanting to get too involved, we drove off to Stonehenge to celebrate another GRU success story by opening a bottle of Новичок водка (Cold War vintage).

        1. Miheila – that is all too plausible and I think you might have just revealed your secret… are you doing freelance work, writing Basu’s statements?

    3. Nice find, but in this shot the assassin in blocking out the bin put out by the next door neighbours rubbish bin, the 2 bins of the neighbour on the other side can be seen in the shot.

      But no Skripal bin. Which got me thinking one of the two bins on the right could be the Skripal one moved by a PC so not to clutter their access.

      But no matter. Except I am not Skilled in the art of Door Handle Painting and I don’t need to know too much about the use of Nerve Agents other than if I have just had cause to use a bottle of it, I am going to bin what I didn’t use pdq. I am not eg going to put it in my pocket, decide not to take the first train out of Salisbury but have a walk around the beautiful City and see the not-as-famous-as-the Magna Carta, clock. Keeping my bottle of related compound with me in case I spy another opportunity.

      When did those bins get emptied? I have been reliably informed they get emptied regularly every 4 months in Salisbury.

      Or maybe that’s exactly what happened, they coated the door knob, put the bottle in the bin and went for a walk.

      However (and I think this answers Rob’s 42 missing minutes conundrum), they have their walk but see their targets heading into the car park. They think oh bother it didn’t work. So they go back to CM Rd, retrieve their bottle, go back into town, re-find the Skripals, cunningly smear them without being noticed and chuck the bottle in the river, which then finds its way 4 months later onto a gravel bank at QEG.

      Or possibly it never happened.

  51. Contamination is a worry for forensic scientists, including (and particularly) those at Porton Down except when they Need to find something and identify it precisely.

    https://gosint.wordpress.com/2018/09/24/salisbury-incident-skripal-case-investigators-could-learn-from-the-lockerbie-affair/

    Which they were able to in the case of Novichok on a door handle.

    [No pre-existing handle grime, nothing from the atmosphere or elements, no UV or ageing derogation, no transfer of molecules from hands or gloves (nitrile / latex and similar gloves are renowned in the industry for the contamination they cause, even “washed” ones used for extra sensitive stuff) no contaminants from any source)

    And the OPCW were able to confirm it, they didn’t have a clue what they were confirming because they had never seen it before but they said it was precisely what PD said it was.

    Which was good. That is what was Needed.

    It was a Russian Novichok of High Purity unusual in its make up for it by the singular lack of contaminants, which incidentally is a definition for a Lab or Research Grade Chemical not Field Use or Military Grade.

    Except PD lost their nerve and realised they may not be correct, this might not be a Novichok but the Russian Diplomats from all over the World had been expelled on the strength of their certain assertions (with the able assistance of the OPCW).

    No this might not be a Specific Russian Novichok, it was still ultra pure whatever in was, no contaminants, but it might not be any source Novichok either, it might be something else, something like one, or failing that a related chemical (third cousin twice removed perhaps?).

    Why is this still carrying on, why have the International community not got wise?

    1. They say that they think it was a disinformation attempt. The interesting thing is that no one in Russia seems to know them though Putin says that they are known. Pravda has offered money for people to offer information. They have come up with – disinformation.

      Craig Murray has a new blogpost emphasizing the British visa. Britain must know a lot about the two. He also talks about the disconnect between the Skripal case and the poisoning of Dawn Sturgess and Charles Rowley.

      Bellingcat – who have been fed information and disinformation – makes them fly to Paris and then return to Moscow from Geneva
      https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/09/20/skripal-suspects-confirmed-gru-operatives-prior-european-operations-disclosed/
      The routes they take including Kazakhstan could to Israeli agents using a Russian passport and taking extra care not to be connected to Israel. If they were indeed detained by the Netherlands Dutch authorities might know a lot more.

    2. Russia still has conscription. Was a two year period but in 2008 this
      was reduced to one year.
      Both Guys have been in Military Service.

      2. I am not sure they are Russian. The Petrov and Borishov passport identities I mean.
        There was lot of emigration in the 1990’s from the former Soviet Union, and if you age them between 30 and 40 they will have been kids then.
        There are bound to be lots of double citizenships. Israel is known to use them for their agents (borrowing them from the real identities), but other Secret Services could do the same.
        There are a lot of dual citizenships within the former Soviet Union.
        Bellingcat’s Kazakhstan trace may be a hint
        Citizens of the respective states that come to Russia for permanent residence have the right to obtain Russian citizenship if they:
        were citizens of the RSFSR, or
        were born in the territory of the RSFSR, or
        were living in the territory of the RSFSR before December 21, 1991, or
        have relatives who are citizens or permanent residents of the Russian Federation
        Dushanbe – the birthplace of the Boshirov identity – Tadjikistan another.
        Kazakhstan and Tadjikistan not being Russia, the people who sold these identities would be quite safe. Or are dead anyway.
        The interesting part is what convinced the British that they deserve visa, if indeed they got business visa.

  53. Paul,

    Would you mind looking at Helicopter G-OAUD on Flight-data. It flew from London on March 7th, down towards Bournemouth again, goes off transponder at 11.02 UTC north of Hurn. Next ping is at 15.29 UTC. (3 hours 31 minutes missing, maybe to Charborough Park again) It then heads north towards Salisbury Hospital maybe, arrives near there at 15.36 UTC goes silent again until 16.42 UTC (1 hour 6 mins missing) before heading back towards London again.

    All I’ve got on the registration so far is ” Audrey Giles, Fairoaks” There is a Fairoaks Airport at Woking.

    Thank you

  54. Is there a Blogmiring South Dorset constituent (or maybe Paul or Perter B) who could write to Richard Drax Mp at:

    richard.drax.mp@parliament.uk

    And ask why he was flown in an RAF VIP fleet helicopter, from Charborough Park to Porton Down on March 5th 2018?

    Are their any other questions we should ask him?

    Good luck Anonymous-1, we are all looking forward to hearing what you find out there.

    1. @ Denise,

      Does it have to be a constituent to ask Richard Drax Mp any questions?

      Provided you live in the UK, I live/work on the other side of the planet. That’s far away enough, no?

      1. Hi Daniel,

        No any UK resident will do but MPs usually reply in a more careful and detailed way to their constituents as they can become an actual vote for that MP.

      2. That’s an interersting question, Daniel.

        I recall having cause to give my local MP some grief and finding, when I didn’t provide in the e-mails full disclosure as to who I am, that his minders refused to comply with my request unless I did so. The excuse given was that he was only bound to reply to his constituents.

        By the way, he’s a tory.

    2. I’d also ask him who else was on that helicopter. It’s unlikely that he’d have been taken to PD by a helicopter of the Queen’s Flight. At least one other VIP would have boarded that at Northolt.

      I know from personal experience that aircraft from the Royal Flight are used for MI6-related purposes. Out family knew an MI6 agent (who died in 1978) who was offered free air travel for life to almost anywhere she wished, in return for services rendered to the state (involving all kinds of dubious activities, still officially classified). At short notice she could arrange for a chauffered car to pick her up and take her to RAF Woodvale where she’d board a plane from the Royal Flight as the only passenger. Malta, Israel, Switzerland and France were her usual destinations. With Sue Ryder (another MI6 operative) she’d travel by land to Poland and Yugoslavia. (The Sue Ryder charity was set up as a cover by her, Sir Erik Berthoud and Airey Neave – all MI6 people).

      It seems that the use of charities as MI6 covers for nefarious activities has been routine for decades. Another was Keston College whose priests wprked as spies in Eastern Europe… and another is Wiltshire Air Ambulance Service. They also use NGOs, international companies and religious organisations.

      If there are spooks reading this, some will know what I’m talking about ! Probably the biggest scandal/secret of WWII and Cold War history.

      1. Sorry, that first paragraph should have read:
        “I’d also ask him who else was on that helicopter. It’s unlikely that he’d have been taken alone to PD by a helicopter of the Queen’s Flight. At least one other VIP would have boarded that flight at Northolt.

        1. Hi Miheila,

          Yes especially the US State Dept and CIA, which are notorious for using NGOs and
          pseudo charities for cover arent they.

      1. @ Zee Piers,

        You’re welcome.

        Unfortunately, it’s the level TPTB have stooped to, and it forces me to pinch myself occasionally, to make sure it’s not a weird kind of nightmare I’m entangled in.

        1. @ Daniel Rich: My husband concluded years ago that we are living in Terry Gilliam’s Brazil. Unlike its protagonist, however, the only flight-of-fancy we urbanites have been able to come up with is to imagine an escape to a remote hidden valley equipped with an underground habitation, goats and chickens. Alas, we’re city folk, so we turn to the Internet 😉

          1. @ Zee Piers,

            Thanks for a precious lol moment. Here’s a picture of my Personal Prepper room.

            As you can see, I’m quite an optimistic person, as I expect many people to survive [whatever is next] and I;ve enough guns to tackle that problem :o]

        2. “to make sure it’s not a weird kind of nightmare I’m entangled in”

          I’ve considered that. The effects of medication wear off with long term use, so it may be the case that we occasionally become lucid enough to realize we’re trapped in a vast, planet sized, mental asylum.

          Don’t worry, the medication will kick in again soon.

  56. Watch what they do.

    Mrs May was a bit more contrite outside the safe haven of the HOC.

    When asked if she wanted more Trump support about her Novichok/Putin scheme she said:

    ” You know, I spoke to President Trump after the Salisbury attack took place. He said he would expel Russian intelligence officers. He did it.

    I think Vladimir Putin is in no doubt about the view that we have about what happened on the streets of Salisbury.”

    Well, I know Putin knows HMG views, but this is hardly hardball from May.

  57. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5765797/Moscow-accuses-Britain-holding-Yulia-Skripal-hostage.html

    This article has the fullest version of the Yulia statement I can find. If you watch to the end another aircraft can be heard and sirens and bull-horns. I’d say it’s definitely Heathrow but more likely the Richmond end given the noise.
    Windsor Castle or a house in the grounds wouldn’t normally have that background noise, but it does have a main street close by so it could be.
    Also someone said the bird trap was for parakeets and they do infest Windsor Great Park.

  58. Is this RT Jürgen our Jürgen who popped up saying he got info from Chris Dauwalder?
    If so I can imagine Mr. Dauwalder’s reaction if a German walks into the shop and announces he is from RT – “name, rank and serial number”.
    And his analysis of the Yulia video seemed to miss the sirens and bull-horns (in the part where she is posing for the photographer). That is something normally only heard in London.
    I thought it was Windsor when I heard the aircraft noise but the sirens would make me think the other end of Heathrow runways – Richmond on Thames which is more urban.

    1. “Our” Juergen does not seem to have a keyboard with umlauts. In Germany all keyboards have umlauts. He would write his name „Jürgen“.

      1. Dropped pin
        near Syon Park

        https://goo.gl/maps/kttn23yDP1E2

        This place could be a likely candidate “The Pavilion” Isleworth. Near a hospital which would explain sirens. Underneath flightpath.
        If you listen to the statement a whistle can be heard. I think trainers of rowing crews use whistles. And most significantly a helicopter landing area with the same swirls as the Minety farm paddock.

        1. Do not stop yourself and entangle yourself in fantasy.
          There is also a hospital near the Sailing Club in Liverpool (whistles) and John-Lennon-Airport.

            1. Type 1 error: Don’t trust Mainstream Media.
              Type II error: Don’t trust Mainstream Media.
              Type III error: When they say London they mean it. Really?

      2. @ Liane Theuer,

        It depends on what language packs you’ve installed on your computer and what keyboard layouts you’re using. It might take time to figure out what’s where, but it can be achieved [I’m on a PC].

      3. If he’s not the same Jürgen, then surely it’s too much of a coincidence.

        The background noises could have easily been added to the recording later, at the request of those who commissioned Reuters – simply to lead us precisely in the way we are heading. Of course, this would mean Reuters were involved in the cover up, but in a sense they already are. They know where that video was taken, but they’re sworn to secrecy, and would have been paid well for their silence. However, Yulya may have been taken to that location specifically for the video, and then immediately taken back to where she was being held. We simply don’t know.

        1. Shared route
          From Hotspur House to Co-op Food – Isleworth – South Street via Church St.

          9 min (700 m)

          1. Walk south on Church St towards Millside Pl
          2. Continue onto Lower Square
          3. Turn right onto Swan St
          4. Turn left onto Upper Square
          5. Turn right to stay on Upper Square
          6. Slight right onto South St/A3004
          7. Arrive at location: Co-op Food – Isleworth – South Street

          To see this route visit https://goo.gl/maps/oZCktHRMRCQ2

          I wasn’t bgoing to bother but there is a co-op near The Pavilion .

          The second aircraft hear is a turboprop but Flybe do use them at Heathrow so doesn’t rule London out.

          Here is London Ambulance using siren and bullhorn.
          https://youtu.be/T1pJVgtShUU

          So I think given the unexplained helicopter pad and the rest, a house on Park Rd. Syon Park/Isleworth is a good candidate.

          1. Some nasty looking trees at various heights around pad if that
            is what it is?
            Don’t suppose it would be trouble to land for a Military Pilot but
            taking into account weather conditions at time it could prove tricky?

            Cant see any overhead wires in area. Not sure on what rules if any
            apply to Helicopter landing in built-up areas. Does it go on size and
            what are emergency procedures in event of any problems.
            Unless its a regular occurrence would it not bring unwanted attention
            from locals?

            1. Mark – I was just contributing to the debate about where Yulia’s statement might have been filmed. If The Pavilion is an MI6 safe house it doesn’t mean they are there now or indeed immediately after the incident. I was looking for somewhere secluded near Heathrow that might have sirens in close proximity. As I said elsewhere there is also a co-op 700m away. And the dark rectangle with the swirls I’d say was plenty big enough for a helicopter.
              I can’t figure out what the whistle was. School? Sport’s pitch? Rowing on Thames?

              1. Hello Patrick-I not questioning your idea about landing site.It’s a
                good possibility!
                I just looked at sat-image and considered risks from what I could
                see. I am not a Pilot and don’t know laws-rules regarding
                Helicopter landings.
                I am not doubting your contribution.

  59. The extracts Liane has just posted below reminded me that I have a query about some of the props used for Yulia’s video. A good quality still image can be found here:

    https://i.rmbl.ws/s8/6/n/e/8/H/ne8Ha.4Wpjb.1.jpg

    We know that the chair Yulia is sitting on is this:

    https://www.wayfair.co.uk/garden/pdp/caracella-orion-stacking-garden-chair-caca2709.html?piid=20633457

    The water bottle is this:

    https://www.dikes-direct.co.uk/supermarket/public/cache/co%20op%20500ml%20still%20water-awvq__width_180__height_175__zoomcrop_fill__bgcolour_FFF.jpg

    But does anyone recognise the phones on the table?

    I have tried to find the small white topped, circular table but have not managed to identify it yet – the same for the AV equipment, does anyone know what that is?

    But it is the phones that are the real curiosity… what are they?

      1. I agree it does look like that – but surely they had professional equipment recording sound for the video… I wonder if other people were present who needed their own recording.

    4. Hello Paul,

      Excellent stuff from Liane,
      Regarding the Yulia interview location, does it matter?
      It must have been some MOD rabbit hole, but that was then.
      Three months on she probably has a new identity, maybe even a new face.
      I wonder how DSB’s wife and children are coping?

      1. Duncan, wherever they are today, that remains our only clue about where they have been and potentially who has them. I have been trying to find out about the items used in the video to see if there are any clues – it looks like the furniture is ‘economy English’, probably bought for the purpose – why wouldn’t they just use any old chair and table they already had? And Co-op water… and the ladder trap… all ‘very’ English… but could it be somewhere in France, made to look English?

        Regarding location, it is clearly on an air base… but whose? Also I think there is the very clear noise of a jet turbine on the ground (not a plane overhead) – the ‘whine’ is distinctive. Plus there is an emergency vehicle siren.

        There are other clues too (the vegetation for example). We may not have the location yet but there are not too many places where it could be.

        1. It certainly is. Subtle but clever little clues intended to distract… maybe.
          Let’s not forget the mysterious French connection that dominated the questions asked by Russia.

      1. I wouldn’t have thought GCHQ would have need for much in the way of TETRA comms other than local security of their UK sites, but MI5 Watchers certainly use TETRA nationwide. A vast national network was set up in the 90s carrying Home Defence comms (GTN, UKWMO, ROC) along with MI5 for their regional network. Before then MI5 had no dedicated radio systems outside London.

        This was linked direct from Thames House to Poundon, the highly-secure HMGCC hub, where it interlocked with FCO/MI6 worldwide comms. GCHQ also had a presence there. The Army were using the new MOULD system at the time, set up at great expense, and designed for MACA – joint military-civil ops. After a few years both the GTN network and MOULD were scrapped, and replaced with TETRA – which today serves the police, fire, MI5, Border Agency, diplomatic protection, the royals (former Purple network), etc. GTN, Home Defence and the UKWMO went onto landlines once the SRC’s (large nuclear bunkers) were closed in around 1991.

    10. Not about the ‘phones’ (yet), but the square boxes on stands look like LED lighting arrays – certainly the small one is, the others are probably bigger versions. It seems that they were very careful about getting the right lighting set up for Yulia’s performance.

      The phones could be DECT telephone handsets – so the main building housing the PBX can’t be that far away, DECT is short range.

      1. Definitely LED lighting arrays – magnify the lower one and look at the yellow label: the second word is ‘LED’.

        1. I think that is right. There are actually a lot of clues in the picture:
          – sunlight hitting the ground above Yulia’s head indicates a gap in the canopy.
          – a weed strewn path, so not frequently used.
          – the ladder trap (just in shot top right) has ground coverage around it, so it is a fixture, not brought in for the ocassion. Some air bases use falcons to keep away the crows. Not many use ladder traps…
          – piles of tree bark on the ground (looks like unused for some time)
          – etc.

            1. Interesting Paul that you mention Fairford. I had already thought about Fairford because AA helicopter had taken a trip to this former airport.

              1. When was that trip John? I have checked either side of 4 March for places the AA visited but didn’t note a visit to Fairford.

                Just in passing, Fairford is not actually a ‘former’ air base, it is currently run on a care and maintenance basis but there are still flights in and out (but clearly nobody has spread tree bark, to keep the weeds down, for a few years.)

                1. There was a hint somewhere in this blog to pay attention to interesting flight movements of the helicopter. One of these flights was far east towards the canal. If I remember correctly, the route was flown 2 times and it was around Yulia’s discharge from the clinic, maybe 1-2 days before or after, but I can be wrong.

                    1. Sorry Paul, my bad. The flight I remembered was the day before Yulia’s interview. The destination was probably the old Kent International Airport in Manson.

    11. @ Paul

      I see at least three [3] light sources [they use a lot of watts. What’s providing it?].

      The green chair fits in perfectly with the green [lush] background.

      Yulia’s dress fits in perfect wit the blue of the bottle.

      Someone went through great length to compose the setting of this shooting.

      Everything had to be right.

      This is a very carefully crafted ‘interview.’

      As to recording sound: sometimes it’s handy to have an interview on a small recording device, so you can scrub back and forth without imagery [that can distract]. I guess it’s a personal choice.

      1. Product placement.

        In many commercial TV and movie productions, a special team is concerned with the strategic placement of products. Companies pay lots of $$$ to have their products show up on TV and in movies. Up to 50% of movie budgets are covered by this ‘hidden’ advertising scheme.

        So, why is the label of this water bottle shown?

        Normally Co-Op would [have to] pay for it being shown.

        Why this free advertising [if not paid for]?

      2. You are right it is carefully packaged but the more I watch the video the more it has a sort of ‘Disneyland’ feel to it: “where your dreams come true”. It is over the top ‘English’ – even down to the crow ladder trap. I don’t know what Yulia’s dress is but I bet it’s English too.

        But it was done by Reuters… not the BBC. If HMG had been involved, the BBC would have been choice 1, 2 and 3.

        Then there are her words, which are not very helpful to HMG… no decrying Russia, at all.

        But my biggest queries are: why did they do it? Who is it for? Why did somebody think Yulia needed to make a video statement?

        It is all just a bit too… Hollywood.

        Regarding power source: portable kit, battery powered.

        1. Daniel said: “Someone went through great lengths to compose the setting of this shooting. Everything had to be right”.
          Paul said: “It is all just a bit too… Hollywood”.

          Yes, it had to be right – to make it all look as if she was living happily in England being looked after by the British authorities.
          But supposing she wasn’t… that would account for the ‘Hollywood look’.

          Of course, the MSM would naturally assume she was, but those in the know (MI5 and MI6, and a select few in UKG) would already know that she wasn’t. They may have no idea where she is, but dare not let the Russians know.

          I also still suspect that Sergei has not seen his daughter since 4th March.

          As I said long ago, that other than the Skripals themselves, there are at least three parties involved in this affair, the Russians (at a distance), but on the ground in Salisbury, the British and ‘Group X’ who are most likely American. (I don’t completely discount Ukrainian, Israeli or criminal/mafia elements either). It wouldn’t surprise me that MI6 or the CIA might have used people of Russian or Ukrainian nationality either, as means to an end.

          Only this tripartite theory can explain some of the complexities in the affair. Several people here have complained on the lines of “if they wanted to disappear Sergei, they’d have made it simple”. Yes, of course they would, but when two or more parties get involved at the same time things quickly become complex. We’re dealing with the scattered pieces of more than one jigsaw.

          1. By the way, the Co-op brand is quintessentially English. Their stores are found in most small towns too.

            Also, there’s another party involved in some mysterious way: France. Both the Russian and British PTB will know what the connection is, but we don’t – yet…

            There’s even a possibility that the DGSE may be behind that video, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the Brits.

          2. I could write a book in reply!

            “But supposing she wasn’t…” – she wasn’t: the Brits would not be so OTT with the “Englishness” of it all. If they wanted a French ‘feel’, we would probably have seen a man on a bicycle, riding past wearing a beret, with a string of onions around his neck… instead of the bird trap. There is NO reason for HMG to have wanted to do this video at all – they would not even have thought about it and if they had, they would have concluded it was a very bad idea.

            You mentioned the sound track elsewhere and possible over-dubbing. I have thought about that too but can’t find any obvious editing in the background track (after removing Yulia’s voice) – could be faked but that is a lot of trouble to go to when they could have done it in a studio with no backround at all.

            Also agree with tripatite theory just like MH370 but not the same parties here. Russia knew what was going to happen but was on the side-lines (maybe needed to collect something from Sergei before he vanished) and had no role in the afternoon of 4 March (except watching and laughing). Brits for sure involved – but they messed up and got egg on the face (actually not just faces… egg everywhere!). Party three… the winner. Don’t think Israel or Ukraine had ability to pull it off and no ‘skin in the game’ and whoever did it needed infrastructure but “UK/AUS (+ OTHERS) MUST LEARN THE TRUE DEFINITION OF ‘ALLY’.”… “the more you know”.

        2. “But it was done by Reuters… not the BBC”

          Reuters is not an independent news organization, it is headquartered in the UK and is a subsidiary of the Thompson (based in Stamford, CT) news organization.

          The BBC would have been far too obvious (even for TPTB), so they opted to use Reuters to give it an air of independence.

          1. Cascadian – It’s possible, I suppose, but would the British PTB want her saying that she and her father planned to return to Russia?

            It hardly encourages belief in the UKG narrative that insists that the poisoning was a criminal act committed by the Russian state.

          2. Why did it need “an air of independence”? If HMG had been involved it would have been 100% clear they were in control.

            After what Treasonous May has told the world, she would want to be seen to be “irrefutably” in control – in fact that is the only reason I can think of for the video to exist at all. The fact that it seems HMG was not 100% in control reveals that some other reason exists – perhaps it exists to show that HMG was not 100% in control.

            1. “she would want to be seen to be “irrefutably” in control”

              Have you ever watched one of her stage managed campaign ‘meet the people’ events, Paul?

              Have you ever wondered why she gets accused of being robotic?

              I have the distinct impression that she is the one being controlled, if ever she is put in a situation where she has to act independently she looks completely lost.

              It would serve the UK very well if they were not seen “to be in control” and support their claim of being put upon by a hostile foreign state.

    12. I know they are probably light units but could they be
      things people read off in front of cameras,like news readers do?

      Cant think what called but Yulia’s statement was speech perfect?

      Are they Autocue or something?

      2. I did try to post this earlier – this is my second attempt.

        Lighting units, not autocue. And especially so not an autocue because they were off to one side from her gaze at the camera: to offset the shadows resulting from the Sun driven side illumination from the left of the picture – her right side.

        Occasionally she looked down, which may suggest that whoever was directing her was there.

        The logically location for an autocue would be to attach it to the camera mount.

  60. Jürgen Cain Külbel 6

    Quote part 3 : Where are the Skripals?
    On May 18, 2018, Sergei Skripal was released from the hospital. Yulia Skripal had already been released on 9 April and taken to a safe place. It is not known if Sergei is now in the same place as his daughter.
    Lorna Wilkinson, Nursing Director of the Salisbury District Hospital, said after the release that treating the Skripals was “a huge and unprecedented challenge”, adding : “Dismissal is an important step in their recovery now taking place outside the hospital.”
    It should be assumed that if secret services are involved, it is important for them to keep the Skripals isolated and / or protected and to keep the circle of initiates small, which at the moment also includes the nursing staff, because the victims are still receiving further treatment require. The staff who diagnosed and treated these exceptional cases will continue to take care for them.
    They know the disease, the treatment method, knows about anamnesis, genesis, convalescence of the injured. So the assumption is not too far-fetched that the Skripals are still in the UK. (..)

    On May 23, 2018, Yulia Skripal spoke in a Reuters video; allegedly taken at “a secret location in London, as she is under the protection of the British state”. A careful acoustic analysis of the soundtrack of the video showed that there are noises in the background of a passing airplane.
    An expert, who should not be mentioned here, states as follows: “”Judging from the volume of the aircraft, it would be about 3 kilometers away. It is a civilian aircraft, presumably a Boeing, which takes off from the southwest. The machine could be at a height of 500 to 1000 meters.”
    In the course of the interview, no further aircraft noise is heard, which does not speak for the background noise of a London airport. For example, at Heathrow, planes take off every 45 seconds, and landings and associated sounds are not included.
    The interview recordings could probably have originated around 10 o’clock in the morning and took about 30 to 60 minutes. The light comes first slightly from the front left, later changes slightly to the left. The view direction of Yulia Skripal is approximately in the direction of the south-east. At the first shot, she came from the east. The fact that she was in the UK at the time of the interview can be deduced from a bottle of mineral water standing on the side table. The bottle bears the label “Co-op Fairbourne Springs”, the only British supermarket that has its own mineral water brand.
    If the interview with Yulia Skripal was not recorded in London and Yulia and Sergei Skripal were still “housed” in the county of Wilthsire, then – because of the proximity of the previous nursing staff and the engine noise in the video and the analyzed flight direction – would be a possible whereabouts the area around the local military air base MoD Boscombe Down, a “British Armed Forces Defense Force” unit near Amesbury.
    The airfield serves as a pilot and test pilot center and is operated by the British intelligence company QinetiQ. QinetiQ has a US spin-off and works closely with the Pentagon there.
    Ex-CIA chief George Tenet was already on the board of the British company.
    QinetiQ stands for cooperation between the British armed forces and defense industries as well as medical professionals; it is, so to speak, a center for defense medicine. In addition, the company has extensive experience in setting up mobile field hospitals.
    The British Parliament wrote in a memorandum in 2004:
    “QinetiQ is involved in joint research and development projects with the MoD (Defense Department), its principal client: the Department of Health, the National Health Service (NHS) and its components, Abbot Diagnostics, GlaxoSmithKline, Rentokil Initial, Merlin Biosciences and internationally renowned hospitals and pharmaceuticals and medical technology companies. Over the past five years, the company has carried out research worth more than £ 10 million in collaboration with the NHS and the UK healthcare industry.”
    QinetiQ is thus broadly positioned; it is not just business related to the “decontaminator” of the house of Sergei Skripal, DEFRA, no, it also runs the center of British chemical and biological weapons research, the Porton Down research facility! And QinetiQ is also in “business” contact with the National Health Service; in one of these hospitals in Salisbury all victims of the Novichok attack were treated.
    And Novichok dead Dawn Sturgess, 44, has a very unique relationship with QinetiQ:
    her mother Caroline, who looks after Dawn’s 10-year-old daughter, works as a steward on the Boscombe Down RAF base; so under directive of QinetiQ.
    And Dawn’s former husband Andrew ‘Hopey’ Hope, with whom she has two sons, also has an “approval” for Boscombe Down, where he has been working as an aircraft engineer at QinetiQ since November 2001.
    Maybe QinetiQ also takes care of Yulia and Sergei Skripal for the time being. But that’s just speculation. Maybe a brave British journalist will find out more.

  61. Jürgen Cain Külbel 5

    Quote part 3 : Chris Phillips, former head of the UK’s National Security Service for Combating Terrorism, with over 30 years of police experience, now representing the government as an expert on strategic counter-terrorism and working closely with MI5, told the British press : Yulia, “that’s it ever needing medical care may have begun her secret new life in the safety of a private medical clinic.”
    The Skripals, Phillips said, should be prepared to disappear, to accept new identities, to say goodbye forever to family and friends. They go to safe houses, receive false passports and government-issued credit cards.
    “The big challenge for the security service to hide them from the Russians is the massive media coverage their case has already experienced”, Phillips believes.
    Perhaps they will be sent to one of the countries of the secret service “Five Eyes”, with which Great Britain works closely: the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
    Phillips says that “their faces have appeared everywhere on television, the Internet and in the papers,” he would expect them “to be sent far, far away, saving no cost in this operation”.
    Priority will be to change the style of the appearance; Yulia could change make-up, dye her hair, but her father would probably have to undergo a plastic surgery. And to avoid suspicion from their new neighbors, the Skripals would have to get used to living apart.
    I turned to Chris Phillips: “OK, new identities, secure homes, passports, driver’s licenses, credit cards, the Skripals could change their history and appearance, and I think the big challenge to their safety is their pronunciation and accent too late to turn their pronunciation into perfect English or even Cambridge English, and no one can expect them to live in isolation from each other for the rest of their lives, not to be in contact with other people. If the Skripals are sent to English-speaking countries or to Portugal, Spain, they must live far away from the locals and away from Russian exiles or the Russian community in those countries, which is not a solution, because it only arouses suspicion, and the question will always be: who is the new one with the Russian accent, where does he come from, can I trust him? Both faces and their criminal case are on the whole known world. And where would they get the money to live – always from the treasury of the UK ? Should they take a job? Do you have an idea ?”
    The answer is poor :
    “I have ideas about that, but I do not think anyone cares about publishing anything about it. So unfortunately I can not help in this story. I have no idea where both are and would not talk about it, even if I knew. Such a thing would be rightly strictly confidential.”
    So I wrote back : “Thanks, I know it’s difficult to comment on the case, especially for you. My opinion is, looking at the case from an intelligence point of view: Their life is over.”

  62. Jürgen Cain Külbel 4

    Quote part 3 : The role Scotland Yard plays in this cheap farce is uncertain. It should be noted that Neil Basu, head of the anti-terrorist police in London, and Kier Pritchard, head of the Wiltshire Police Department, were promoted to office on 5 March 2018; just hours after the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia. Pritchard and Basu solved previously in addition to police and criminal tasks also in intelligence. That does not have to mean anything; but may point to a certain planned choreography in the work on the Skripal case.
    The Russian Embassy in London says it has no access to the Skripals. Even the policeman Nick Bailey, who also have been injured, never appeared again in public.
    “When is a public statement by Sergei Skripal expected?” The author asked Scotland Yard.
    Jim Avey from the press office responded:
    “Statements are very often a decision of the individual and we follow their wishes. We are unable to give any indication as to when such statements could be made. I’m sorry, but we can not help you with this request.”
    Not content with that, I wrote to Scotland Yard again on September 1, 2018:
    “We heard all sorts of rumors about Sergei Skripal and his daughter Julia, and there is an unfounded rumor that Sergei Skripal is dead. Can you please confirm, that he still is alive ? ”
    Asim Bashir, media and communications officer, replied:
    “Both were seriously ill in the hospital for several weeks. Fortunately, they recover after being released from the hospital – Sergei was released from hospital on May 18, Yulia on April 9. Detective sergeant Nick Bailey, a Wiltshire police officer, also fell seriously ill after being exposed to a nerve agent and hospitalized on March 6. Since his hospital discharge on March 22, Nick has continued to make good progress but can not work.”
    I had other questions and sent it to Bashir and anti-terrorist chief Neil Basu on September 2, 2018: “The International Day of the disappeared on September 30 is a day that has been created to draw attention to the fate of missing people. Is not it time for a humane gesture on the part of Scotland Yard to allow Sergei Skripal to send a sign of life to his relatives and to the world ?
    In every criminal case, there are different directions of investigation. Does Scotland Yard also investigate whether British or other intelligence agencies or other criminal structures were involved in the attack ?”
    Basu did not answer; he was probably already polishing his Russian statement. Bashir responded : “We will not add anything to our statements at this time and will not comment on the investigation.”
    This, however, is a source of fervor among the British press, and it is becoming increasingly apparent that they are being fed information by British and other ex-intelligence agents “consulting” the London government; which means that the “services” have currently taking over the medial interpretation sovereignty in the case of Skripal. (..)
    There are many scenarios why the Skripals may have been silenced. Also, consider him as a potential scriptwriter for the infamous “Trump dossier”.
    It is also possible that he wanted to return to Russia to his family, and offered certain “secrets”, perhaps also regarding the “Trump dossier”, in exchange for the return ticket.
    Who knows. Everything is possible.
    But let’s first assume that the Skripals are victims. Then their interrogation as witnesses is necessary and indispensable.
    Is not there a single honest soul in the British Parliament who asks why the Skripals are not allowed to speak ?
    It is highly probable that, if the Skripals would talk, the construct of certain circles break down – more on that in Part IV of the series. So zhey are not allowed to talk.
    Whether the Skripals are now voluntary players in this play or against their will, one thing is certain: their fate seems sealed.

  63. Jürgen Cain Külbel 3

    Quote part 2 : According to the authorities, the suspected Russians drove to Salisbury again on Sunday, 4 March 2018, one day after the purported “reconnaissance mission”.
    The photo CO1416-2018-CCTV4.jpg shows it exactly at 11.48 clock in the station Salisbury just before crossing the ticket machines in the direction of counter-hall.
    The next photo presented by Scotland Yard, which is the “evidence” CO1416-2018-CCTV5.jpg, was taken exactly at 11:58 am on Wilton Road; from the surveillance camera of a Shell gas station. So 10 minutes after the photo showing the “Russians” in Salisbury station. Two ways lead to the Shell petrol station.
    Line 1: From Salisbury Station via S. Western Road, towards Fisherton Street, past a security camera past St Paul’s Roundabout, where another surveillance camera is installed, then onto Wilton Road. The track is about 1.13 km long.
    The “Russians” would have to have mastered the way at a speed of 6.76 km/h to appear in time for the photo session at Shell. That’s actually jogging pace. During normal walking you walk about 4.5 to 5.5 km / h, while leisurely walking, as the photo actually depicts the two “Russians”, a mean speed of about 3 km/h is reached. In normal walking you would need for track 1 in about 15 minutes.
    Route 2: From Salisbury Station to S. Western Road, then Mill Road, past a CCTV camera to Churchfields Road, where there is a business park with companies such as Vauxhall, Renault, Dacia, Fiat, etc., along with some surveillance cameras. Turn right onto Ashfield Road, left into Wilton Road. This is about 1.29 km, the “Russians” have covered in 7.72 km / h, again only possible at jogging pace. The normal pedestrian needs around 17 minutes. (..)
    What if Skripal had been at home at the time, opened the door, secretly standing behind the window-curtain, watching the strange goings-on of dark figures outside his front door? Or the neighbors, passers-by, motorists? The day was bright, sometimes full sun. And the Russian joggers, who were in such a hurry, could not know while working at the door, if the house was not full of people behind it.
    And if they had been caught doing what they did or did not do: they did not even have an escape vehicle and would soon have been caught.
    But maybe the Skripals were not at home.
    What Petrov and Boschirov actually have made between 11:58 clock and 13:05 – since the next photo was shot by them – the police report gives no information.

  64. Jürgen Cain Külbel 2

    Quote part 2 : Amazingly, Neil Basu’s request that the public should continue to help “learn as much as possible about the movements (of the Russians) in the period from 14.00 to 16.30 on Saturday, March 3”, so before leaving Salisbury.
    A tour of Salisbury station shows: the place is riddled with security cameras. There are several under each platform roof, as well as in the station building.
    The image presented as a “proof” deserved even a better supplement: behind the ticket machines, in the station, a surveillance camera is mounted under the track roof, which makes frontal shots of all persons who cross the automatic switch.
    With this great equipment of the station with surveillance cameras one should already expect a complete accompaniment, a complete movement profile of suspicious persons from the entrance to the station up to the platform and until boarding the train. And of course vice versa – after getting off the train until leaving the train station.
    These gaps were apparently not “filled” by the investigators. Of course, there is also a surveillance camera on the outer facade of the station, which has people who are taking off from the station, as well as approaching persons, as well as the taxi rank there. (..)
    Petrov and Boschirov said they “waited about 40 minutes for the train – in a café at the station.” Boschirov added: “We drank hot chocolate because we were thoroughly wet.” He said that both spent a maximum of one hour in Salisbury, most of the time at the train station, in one of the two “Pumpkin Cafés”, located on platforms 2 and 3, and 4 and 6; all in the sights of surveillance cameras. (..)
    Conclusion: The “evidence” CO1416-2018-CCTV3.jpg is meaningless. It merely states that two people are standing in front of a ticket machine at a certain time at a certain place. A non-politicized judge would smash that “proof” that is supposed to underpin a “reconnaissance mission”.

  65. German RT published a 3 parts series about the MET findings.
    Part 4 will follow.
    Title : „Mordsache Skripal: Die fraglichen Beweismittel von Scotland Yard (Teil 1-3)“
    The author is Jürgen Cain Külbel, a former criminal investigator of the GDR, who became an investigative journalist after the reunification of Germany.

    In this link are the links to part 1 and 2 included :
    https://deutsch.rt.com/europa/76404-mordsache-skripal-fraglichen-beweismittel-von/

    It seems Külbel visited Salisbury or had good informers there.
    I will translate the interesting parts.

    Since Külbel addresses various things, I will divide that into six posts. This makes it easier to comment.

    Jürgen Cain Külbel 1

    Quote part 1 (translated from German) : Neil Basu, head of the British anti-terrorist police, said on 5 September 2018 : „It is likely, given what we have learnt from this investigation, that anyone exposed to Novichock will have experienced symptoms within 12 hours of exposure.“
    According to the statement of Basu, both victims must have been contaminated with the nerve agent on March 4 between 4.03 am and 4.03 pm in the afternoon. (..)
    So let’s keep it clear: From 9:15 pm, the mobile phones of the Skripals no longer communicate with the neighboring mobile radio cells. However, the location where both mobile phones were at the time of turning off can be accurately determined. However, the investigators have not commented publicly. However, if the investigators were able to determine that the Skripals had their mobile phones turned off at about 9:15 am, that means conversely that the devices were previously switched on.
    So Scotland Yard has carried out a radio cell polling to determine which cell phones have been in which radio cell at a given time. Authorities could provide complete or incomplete information on where the Skripals’ mobile phones were between 4.03am and 9.15am. (..)
    But it is clear that the crime scene in the time interval in question may have been located elsewhere.
    If a SIM module is installed in a vehicle, it is also possible to locate the vehicle. BMW, for example, offers the fixed SIM card, with innovative BMW ConnectedDrive features, such as BMW Teleservices, Concierge Services, Internet, Remote Services and real-time traffic information that can be easily used in many countries around the world; without your own mobile phone!
    Whether Skripals BWM was provided with a SIM module, is not known. If so, it would provide information about the vehicle’s movements within the four hours.
    Unfortunately, Scotland Yard keeps the car under wraps, and does not say if it contains a SIM module.
    Conclusion: Scotland Yard has so far been unable to determine either the exact time of the crime or the specific crime scene. This means that the investigations into the crime and the crime scene are anything but criminal and legally exploitable.

    1. Liane, you said: “if the investigators were able to determine that the Skripals had their mobile phones turned off at about 9:15 am”

      Do we know when the phones were off? It is always assumed it was in the morning but I don’t know if that is correct. Do you have a good source for 9:15am?

      The Sun claimed another Exclusive with the story:
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5893197/russia-spy-mobile-mystery-skripal/

      All the article says is:
      “A source said: “The most credible explanation is their phones were switched off during the morning of the day they were targeted.””

      But that is not confirmation that it was the morning when the phones were off. All we know is that it was ‘4 hours’ – not when.

      I believe that switching off the phones in the afternoon was more likely than in the morning – so a bit of misdirection in The Sun article to make me think it was the other way around is just what I would expect!

      1. Liane, Sorry, of course it wasn’t you that ‘said’ it, you were quoting somebody else. But I am sure you know what I meant: is there a good source?

      2. The Sun on March 25 suggest it was in the morning :
        The devices’ GPS signals which identify positions were not in operation during a crucial period in which their movements remain unknown.
        It may mean they were poisoned after switching off the phones to keep a clandestine meeting secret.
        Cops are currently carrying out a massive trawl of all phone data in the area on the day of the nerve gas attack and in the days leading up to it and afterwards.
        The data “dump” handed over by phone service providers is in the process of being formatted and analysed in order to reconstruct the movements of everyone in the Salisbury area that day.
        Police are hopeful the huge task will identify a phone used by the shadowy would-be assassin who poisoned them with the military grade nerve gas agent Novichok.
        The source added : “The focus of that will be to see whether any phones flag up in the locations where the Skripals were known to be on that day and beforehand. This could identify a phone being carried by someone who was either following them or possibly met up with them.
        If the phone was ‘dirty’ and could not be traced to any individual, you could still identify where the phone and its sim card originally came from which would be very valuable intelligence in itself.”
        https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5893197/russia-spy-mobile-mystery-skripal/

        „…identify a phone used by the shadowy would-be assassin …“
        Did the MET tracked R&A phones right to Skripals doorstep ?

        1. Liane, that is the same link to The Sun I mentioned in my query – the fact is we don’t know when the 4 hours were.

          Everyone assumes ‘morning’ because we were ‘pushed’ that way in the Sun article with the suggestion it was morning. But I think that is probably wrong. It might not even be a single period of 4 hours – it could be 2 and 2…

          I think the afternoon is more likley than the morning because Sergei had his own plans for how he was going to vanish and he didn’t want to leave any clues at all. For example, if the phone was on between 3 and 4, the route by which it got from The Mill to Market Walk could be determined. Also Basu’s request for info about where Sergei was between 1 and 1:30 is (I think) a clue – is that when the phone was switched off?

          If it was switched off at 1:00 it might have been off until around 5 when the police recovered it from the bench and switched it back on again… the missing 4 hours?

    2. @ Liane Theuer,

      ‘Mordsache’ = murder case

      As far as we know, none of the Skripals died, so, why does Jürgen Cain Külbel call/label it a ‘murder case’ in conjunction with the Skripal family?

  66. This letter slipped out to Home Affairs Committee without any fanfare;
    ———————————

    Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP
    Chair, Home Affairs Committee
    House of Commons
    London
    SW1A 0AA

    23rd August 2018

    Dear Yvette,

    I am writing to you concerning the BuzzFeed News allegations of Russian state involvement in 14 deaths in the UK, following my predecessor’s letter to you of 10 March on the same matter. At that time, the then Home Secretary wrote that she would want to satisfy herself that the allegations were nothing more than that, and that she would write to you again with her conclusions.

    The Security Minister briefed you in more detail about the review on 25 June on a Privy Council basis. He also explained why we cannot publicly comment any further on the detail of this review. The Security Minister provided a similar briefing to the Chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament, and has offered to brief the Shadow Home Secretary at the earliest opportunity.

    Following your meeting with the Security Minister, I can now formally confirm that the Government’s assurance work around the 14 cases is complete. The Police have confirmed that there is no basis on which to re-open any of the investigations.

    Clearly, should any new information become available, then the relevant police force will continue to monitor this position and take additional action as necessary. I will arrange for a copy of this letter to be deposited in the House Library.

    Yours Sincerely,
    Sajid Javid
    Home Secretary

    https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/home-affairs/Correspondence-17-19/Letter%20from%20the%20Home%20Secretary%20relating%20to%20the%20review%20of%20deaths%20with%20allegations%20of%20state%20responsibility%2023%20August%202018.pdf

  67. The last alleged Terrorist Attack-London,Car driven into barriers?

    All gone very quiet over this incident? Did I see an Ambulance on
    cctv following the silver car,Police arrived very quick as if parked
    all points of compass awaiting?

    Alleged Terrorist looked very calm on camera and was looking at
    cameras?
    Was all very clinical-clean. Was this just another hoax to divert away
    from Salisbury-Amesbury?

    It was all rapped up very quickly and no updates?

    Not doubting but not sure?

    2. The English Man In A Tweed Suite. Where is Dangerous Gordon and missing
      GU Cleaners,One{1] A Red Hair Female?

      All James Bond 007 Fantasy to keep British Public on edge of seats after a good dose
      of Britain Got No Talent-Crap Factor-Come Dancing and other so called reality TV shows.

  69. I follow a blog called Intel Today which just posted an article on Skripal matters. They know of DSTL and contaminated laboratorys as same issue came up with another contaminated DSTL laboratory with Lockerbie case.

    https://gosint.wordpress.com/2018/09/24/salisbury-incident-skripal-case-investigators-could-learn-from-the-lockerbie-affair/#more-12419
    SALISBURY — According to UK media, Charlie Rowley mentioned that the perfume that killed his girlfriend had an odd ammonia-type smell. Again, Novichok, like all nerve agents, is both tasteless and odourless.

    And if you try to spin the story, you quickly run into troubles. Sure, ingredients could have been added. But, we have been told all along that the samples match exactly the Russian ‘secret’ formula.

    The Mystery of the Residue Analysis

    SALISBURY — According to the official press release:

    “On 4 May 2018, tests were carried out in the hotel room where the suspects had stayed. A number of samples were tested at DSTL at Porton Down. Two swabs showed contamination of Novichok at levels below that which would cause concern for public health.

    A decision was made to take further samples from the room as a precautionary measure, including in the same areas originally tested, and all results came back negative. We believe the first process of taking swabs removed the contamination, so low were the traces of Novichok in the room.”

    So, we must accept that residues of Novichok were present in the hotel room for two months, and then disappeared because of a couple of swabs? How often do they clean a hotel room in East London, where the “suspects” stayed before travelling to Salisbury?

    1. Yes, Sam. I noticed the parallels with the Lockerbie affair where Megrahi and Libya were framed by CIA/MI6.

      “Robert Black QC FRSE Professor Emeritus of Scots Law at the University of Edinburgh and best known as the ‘Architect of the Lockerbie Trial’ said:

      “The Lockerbie trial is the most disgraceful miscarriage of justice in Scotland for 100 years. Every lawyer who has read the judgment says ‘this is nonsense’. It is nonsense.”

      It cost the British taxpayer 75m GBP in legal fees, the most expensive case in Scottish legal history – and all to ensure a massive cover-up.

      I’d strongly recommend Edwin Bollier’s website for anyone wanting to delve deeper into this case, as I have done. (The archives go back to 2002). Both cases have as common denominator, abundant lies, deceit, disinformation and tampering of evidence.

      http://lockerbie.ch/
      http://mebocom-defilee.ch

  70. Just some random thoughts.
    I have noticed the enthusiasm the Blogmirers are spending on the R&A CCTV footage or lack thereof.
    I think:
    Time stamps cannot be trusted, and possibly even the pictures cannot either.
    As many have pointed out, only the Dauwalders footage shows R&A moving, the rest, which is not a lot is stills which may or may not have been doctored.
    If R&A had spent the last two days doing what they apparently did in March, then there would be camera capturing train stations, tube stations, train journeys, hotel check in, check out and possibly cathedral visits too.
    This material from March may have been erased, may be currently withheld, or possibly even show further incriminatory evidence which does not fit in with the “Door Handle” story.
    What does seem to be confirmed is that R&A visited Salisbury on March 3rd and 4th.
    (OK, I accept that just because everyone says something, that does not make it true.)
    Some my random thoughts would suggest that R&A were in Salisbury to have some sort of interaction with the Skripals.
    There seems to be no HMG evidence to show that the two super agents went to the Skripal house.
    This might be due to the fact that there are no cameras in CM Rd, or at the Skripal home. The latter seems unlikely. A nervous double agent would surely invest in some sort of home security.
    Keeping it simplistic, R&A were there, in two separate trips to observe, carry or receive information or material. Possibly all three.
    Timestamps and train times notwithstanding, on the Sunday there is an overlap of at least 30 minutes, of the BMW near or at Sainsbury’s with the Skripals, and before the London train leaving Salisbury, (with the assumption that R&A were on board).

    So, this becomes the reason for the super agents being there on Sunday.
    On Saturday, this could not have happened, as Sergei was with Ross making the return trip to LHR.
    (Would the super agents not know this? The GRU must have been aware of Yulia’s flight information.)
    In my opinion, R&A made the Saturday trip specifically to check out the car park/duck pond location and camera coverage.

    They were quite untroubled to be photographed in other Salisbury locations, but did not want to swap/receive materials with the Skripals and be seen.
    Sergei had a similar mindset.
    He and Yulia went out of their way to feed the ducks, it was not a casual event, (he did bring bread after all), and Sergei wanted to be where R&A could observe them, and also allow R&A to give a visual signal that the swap/transfer had occurred.
    Sergei accomplished this by simply parking his BMW in the agreed location, and leaving the car unlocked.
    (Did DSB really get the keys of Sergei’s collapsed body later, or were the keys left in the ignition by Sergei when he parked up at Sainsbury’s?)
    So, the swap was made, and the super agents left town.

    What happened later, involved DSB and I will comment on this further in a later message.

    1. Duncan – what strikes me is the Shell petrol station CCTV has the timestamp left in – because the Met think it is incriminating. All the other R&A images on Sunday have the timestamp removed or cropped out and times attributed or added. Presumably because they don’t fit the narrative.
      The narrative being they don’t want R&A and Sergei’s paths to cross.
      Also the bread. I was wondering if R&A were couriering a secure phone to Sergei. They could have put it in a bread wrapper (with some bread) and left it in the bin that was being examined so thoroughly.
      Sergei takes out the bread, “feeds the ducks” and pockets the phone.

  71. IN DEPTH: Latest On Skripal Poisoning -The UK Government’s Lies – Link to Fort Russ

    Excerpt: “The Skripal’s were NOT poisoned by “military grade” Novichok nerve agent “smeared on their front door handle”. Organo-Phosphate nerve agents kill within 2 or 3 minutes if inhaled and within 20 minutes maximum if absorbed through the skin. Novichok is reported to be 5 to 10 times more deadly than VX nerve agent and only a tiny amount would be enough to kill someone.”

      1. It’s a lot of conjecture.

        The stuff about not opening a present for your girlfriend but let her open it, is convincing though.
        Add – perfume bottles don’t need an applicator.
        So they considered this parcel to be drugs and used the applicator sublingual.

        1. Of course, they don’t need applicators. I covered this oddity in a post on an earlier page. Also, from studing the photos posted here, I can’t see how the device could possibly work, and explained why.

          Personally I don’t believe the perfume-bottle story at all.

    2. This talk of ‘amounts’ bothers me. As I’ve asked earlier:
      * is it reasonable to say that a given molecule of a nerve agent binds to only one molecule of acetylcholine and not other, with the result of the reaction being part of the agent molecule remains attached to the acetylcholine molecule and the remainder is detatched and free to be eliminated from the body?

      If the above is true then one molecule of a nerve agent won’t harm anybody to even a noticeable extent.

      Also, if the above is true then a certain minimum number of nerve agent molecules will need to be absorbed to cause some degree of harm to the affected organism. And further to this, there will be a minimum number of nerve agent molecules required to kill and organism of a certain weight and metabolic disposition.

      My question again – how much is enough to kill? how much is enough to make one ill.

      Further, it seems to me that, regardless of its potency, the same rules apply and the potency would then be related to the rate of absorption.

      Duncan – sense or not ????

      I’ve always felt that this bandying around by May and co. about “military grade” nerve agents with 8 times worse effects than VX was just so much political hot air.

      1. Very Good! If so powerful why not more dead,why not more
        people ill-dying. Wild Life dying-Birds-Squirrels-Rats.
        Has Dog Walkers been informed of dangers and Ordered to
        avoid area. Keep Cats indoors. They forgot this little detail?

        Theresa May doing Fist Bumps….Excuse Me But This Is A
        Highly Toxic Russian Type-Stuff Nerve Agent…Is it not?

        What A Load Of Total Rubbish.

      2. Indeed,

        Impossible for me to answer, and anyone else, please step in.
        The dose being injected into the blood would work a lot faster than skin absorption.
        Spraying then inhalation would be fast too.

        Think of the enzyme as a robot pulling apart two Lego bricks, 10,000 times a second.
        So we have millions of those enzymes all pulling apart billions of Lego bricks, every second.
        If A-234 or similar has a molecular weight of 224.
        224 grams of this material is 6 times 10 to the power of 23 molecules.

        This means 1mg of A-234 is 2 times 10 to the power 18 molecules.
        If, and it is a big if, 1 mg (one thousandth of a gram could be directly introduced to the sites where the enzyme exists, then I would imagine death would occur. (I imagine)

        If the perfume bottle contained 5.5ml of pure Novichok then that would have the capacity to kill a lot of people, especially if it could be injected or sprayed.

        Ironically, the best people to answer your question is DTSL at Porton Down. This is exactly the type of experiment that they do, and what the CIA paid them to do.

        The Acetylcholine esterase is a very efficient enzyme.
        This link may be better than words.
        http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe/quips?story=AChE The enzyme works away and as mentioned in the article the enzyme molecule is breaking down 10,000 acetylcholine molecules per second. So we need to understand that we have a very small amount of the enzyme in our bodies, and this enzyme performs many reactions per second. So the pesticide or nerve agent interrupts the work of breaking down the acetylcholine molecule and muscle spasms and fluids build up.

        1. No dead Ducks-Dogs-Cats-Birds-Squirrels-Rats-People? Only one
          Miss Sturgess {Collateral Damage} to fit agenda.

          Vanishing People and cases of amnesia-meningitis. Cctv well..?

          Only people we have seen apart from Charlie with his amazing suntan-amnezia
          is A&R who at end of day have come forward and said something.

          Yulia’s little statement was so staged and didn’t she look well!

          Where Is Mr Skripal-D.S.{Special Branch}Bailey?

            1. Her funeral was stage managed by Public Health England for “safety reasons” which I could not understand. There was no risk to the mourners. The possibility that Dawn was simply “disappeared” remains, but it would take some major collusion with the people who identified her body, hospital staff etc. Now cremated so that is that.
              I’m very loathe to go along with this possibility as her family and friends are grieving. But TPTB have shown themselves to be capable of just about anything in this whole charade.

    1. Be careful. The place could be under close surveillance, but it won’t be obvious. Maybe you could ask locals about helicopter landings in the park. Good luck!

    2. Lots of good Helicopter landing space and nice woods to
      do a Tv Statement with Yulia.

      Only suggesting from memory and my opinion.Not a fact on my part.

      Thanks

    3. Charborough Park is a very private estate, enclosed by a high wall, as I am sure you may know. There are also various estate cottages to rent, I believe….

      As a side note, I have found it impossible to post a reply on this site for the past few days: I instantly thought of the Charborough Estate and was trying to reply to, I think, Paul, several days ago in connection with flight paths: I kept getting a WordPress error message (with no error number).

      1. If you don’t refresh the page from the server every 30 minutes or so, you hit a timeout. Try reloading the page before you post – if that does not fix the problem, please report back to us as that means there is some other issue that may cause all of us problems…

      2. Estate cottages and remote shooting lodges are the kind of place where MI5 hide ‘inconvenient’ people, such as Col Pilcher who had threatened to expose the truth about the Hess affair. He was relieved of his duties as commander of the Windsor Guards and was exiled to a remote keeper’s cottage on a Scottish estate, where he died, a virtual recluse, many years later. I also know of other similar cases.

  73. There is zero evidence that 13.05 and 13.08 are genuine times.
    We have not got 24 hours from Dauwalders so we don’t know if they walked past twice or not.
    All we know is 13.49 at Dauwalders would be consistent with getting to the station to catch the 14.27.

    1. @ Bulldog,

      Isn’t prolonged exposure to fear a means to keep the populace on a leash and guide them toward where ‘you’ want them to be [at]?

      1. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken

        “They” have been doing this continuously since 2001. Before that it was only sporadic.

        1. Freud’s nephew, Edward Louis Bernays had ladies smoke their
          ‘Torches of Freedom‘ [cigarettes].

          Presented as woman’s lib in 1930, Bernay actually helped a client to double his money in sales, George Washington Hill as women didn’t smoke in the streets or outside their houses, back then.

          This is only one example of how propaganda worked and I’m convinced ‘the boys and girls’ who were behind it, have simply modernized over time and apply today’s standards as they go.

          The Skripal case is another example of mass massaging, only in my case they’re rubbing me the wrong way and it has the opposite effect.

          1. Very true…

            Britain’s health-and-safety culture is already a joke in Europe, without having to wear hazmat suits and cordon off the whole street every time there’s a drug overdose. Madness !

            “Forensics teams in white suits scoured the scene amid fears of a novichok style poisoning… Their conditions are not believed to be serious”.

            The dangerous-paedophile-around-every-corner mentality clearly is no longer sufficient to maintain the required level of fear for the public, so TPTB are ramping up their scaremongering psyops tactics. In readiness for what ? World War III ?

            By the way, I’ve made a few posts today, but one about the helicopter jaunt I think is important. Surely a registered charity is flouting charity law by making non-health-emergency flights.

    2. Bit of a coincidence after Scottish News Paper {Daily Record I think?} published
      story yesterday about drug misuses in Salisbury-D Sturgess death.
      Net is closing on Salisbury Incident,HMG-Security Services in total panic as people
      are getting wise to this hoax.

      Have an alleged attack in Capital-London by an Army Barracks. This will keep the
      hoax-lies on he boil and scare The Sheep.

      Gavin Williamson is just a Silly Little School Boy trying to play Big.. Increase in
      British Troops Ukraine and continual harassment by RAF Typhoons flying from
      Rumania intercepting Russian Aircraft is just provoking a Major Incident.

      Keep prodding The Bear and it will turn and bite..Gavin! {Stupid Boy}

  75. Rob,
    Charles Wood is a serious researcher, he proved that there was no rain AT LEAST UNTIL 13-30Z
    https://twitter.com/Mare_Indicum/status/1043748966351794176
    so, police timeline was manipulated as they showed a lot of puddles from the rain on their CCTV videos at 13:05 – so it happened much later.
    Also, the video at Dauwalders showed no rain at 13:49 ( Sorry, Liane, but making the photo dark did not convince me that there was a rain before, the surface of the road does not reflect the light, it’s simply darker, but not dark enough for wet asphalt. The furniture inside the shop became too dark for 1:49 PM. )
    So the rain started after 1:49 PM.
    Petrov and Boshirov left Salisbury not at 13:50, but later.
    The time-stamps on the CCTV manipulation was designed to match the alleged “Russian manual on placing the poison on the door handles” they dug out from somewhere ( they did not show it so it was most likely a fake)
    If you remember, at the beginning, only “2 proofs” that “Russia did it” were provided by the UK government :
    – “only Russia had Novichok” ( was proved a lie)
    – “Russia had a manual of placing poisons on the door handles” ( we did not see it, did not test for being a fake)
    The time-stamps on the police CCTV video screenshots were manipulated.

  76. @ Rob Slate,

    FYI,

    Often times I’m unable to add an entry or replies to your web site/forum. I haven’t been able to pinpoint a cause, although it looks like the frequency is higher when the forum consists out of many entries.

    When I click on the ‘Post Comment’ button, I get an error page and a text asking me to write my message again. When I click on the arrow to go back to the previous page and click on the reply button again [at the same spot as before], my message is still there.

    I’m located outside the UK and EU [in case it matters].

    Hope this helps.

    Most cordially,

    Daniel

    1. And I use a VPN. This sometimes causes trouble getting to a certain web site, although in such a scenario I don’t get to said web site at all. As I also comment on other web site [using the same setting/browser] without any hiccups, I’m inclined to believe something’s not technically kosher on your end. As this may prevent others from even getting to your web site to begin with, I hope you’ll find out what causes it.

    2. It is a common problem if you have not refreshed the page recently – you hit a timeout. Going back to the previous page is not good enough to reset the page, you must refresh it. So copy your message, refresh the page, paste your message/reply back where it was and all should be well. I don’t know exactly how long you have got before ‘timeout’ but it is around 30 minutes.

      1. @ Paul,

        Oh. OK. Thanks. Will keep it in mind.

        Would a notification [somewhere on the site] about this timeout be of help to others?

  77. Anidea posted, as part of her comments below: “Britain does seem to be in some kind of hybrid war with Russia.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/20/gavin-williamson-commits-extra-british-troops-ukraine-stop-russia/
    ‘Gavin Williamson commits extra British troops in Ukraine to stop Russia ‘reversing Cold War outcome’.” Isn’t Russia ‘reversing’ the outcome of the Molotov-von Ribbentrop pact since today’s Ukraine was (Georgian) Stalin’s putting together the two pieces of Ukraine which, up to 1939, with some temporary exceptions, had been separated by governance and religion for around 350 years? Or is Western support for Western Ukrainians’ ambition to take Kiev despite their long separation from their Eastern cousins and their Eastern cousins’ capitol the “Cold War outcome” achieved temporarily in 2004 and again in 2014? (And I note the gallows-humor guffaw I emitted when Poroshenko invited another Georgian to be Governor of Odessa following the fire there.) I take it that as we do here in the States, the U.K. has also stopped teaching history and geography by discussing leaders’ personal histories, maps of contested areas and cause-and-effect timelines, favoring the teaching of “[un]critical thinking” by lessons inculcating “concepts” and “ideas”. Gavin Williamson is young, but is he truly ignorant? Maybe.

      1. The Budapest Memorandum: “1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine; . . . ” https://www.msz.gov.pl/en/p/wiedenobwe_at_s_en/news/memorandum_on_security_assurances_in_connection_with_ukraine_s_accession_to_the_treaty_on_the_npt?printMode=true Note that the Final Act on Security and Cooperation in Europe was reaffirmed.

        The Final Act on Security and Cooperation in Europe (Helsinki, 1975): “Accordingly, they will, inter alia, refrain from direct or indirect assistance to terrorist activities, or to subversive or other activities directed towards the violent overthrow of the regime of another participating State.” -https://www.cvce.eu/content/publication/1999/1/1/26511c7f-1063-4ae9-83e5-16859194a144/publishable_en.pdf

        The conversations American ambassador Victoria Nuland held with those who assumed power during the Maidan protests, along with Senator John McCain’s happy dance at the protest itself, made it quite clear that we no longer had any use for Helsinki or Budapest given that we contributed to the “violent overthrow” of the regime. Ms. Nuland’s endearing “Tyan” was Oleg Tyanibok, head of Svoboda, whose members were armed at Maidan as were members of Right Sector. You may recall at the famous “massacre” of February, 2014, a year later, BBC showed that yes, the protesters fired at the government police forces (see “Ukraine: What Happened at Kiev’s Maidan Square?” on BBC News channel, dated Feb 12 2015, on youtube – starting at about 1:35, they interview one of the armed protesters that day).

        So, the Budapest Memorandum flew out the window long before Putin took back Crimea. (Still thank God every day that my Kievan mom , horrified by Bush’s support of the “Orange Revolution”, did not live to see her adopted country give her beloved home city to those she met during the war, prompting her to claim her identity as a Ukrainian second to the Primary Chronicle’s identification of Rus’, the kingdom uniting the 3 Slavic tribes who fought amongst each other after ousting the Varangians, only to ask the Varangians to send them a prince to rule over all 3 of them – Ukrainians in Kiev, Russians and Belarussians in Novgorod. My Kievan mother was proudly Russian first, Ukrainian second – explaining to her American child that it was like how I was American first and a native of my state second. And twestern Ukrainians, ruled by Poles, Lithuanians and Austrians for 350 years, like to forget that Mikhail Romanov was chosen as Tsar during the Restoration precisely because he was the last known boyar to be descended from Kiev’s  Rurikids.)

        So, no, neither history nor IR is on that ignorant young man’s side. Of course, people did spend a century dissing Kaiser Wilhelm, named “Peacemaker” in a special 1912 New York Times edition, as a bullying warmonger. So, as always, if the young ignoramus is on the side of the victors, for a certain amount of time, it might appear that history is on his side.

      2. 1.Budapest Memorandum was not ratified
        2. It stated only intentions but not guarantees
        3. US spent 5 billion dollars to install practically neo-Nazi government in Ukraine
        https://youtu.be/_vEXpgLl6CQ
        4. The point of US sponsored coup was to bring NATO to Russian borders
        https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1044013514824724480
        and to install US military bases in Crimea, (which was Russian since 1793, BTW)
        US had already found the sites for their bases.
        But Crimea was the only Russian naval base that does not freeze out in winter.
        Will any country allow such a treat to national security when US military base would be located so close to Russian borders?
        5. Crimea, an autonomy, was only administratively attached to Ukraine by the Ukrainian by nationality Secretary General of the USSR- Hrustchev, without any voting, referendums or consultations with people of Crimea.
        6. Crimea always had the predominately Russian population ( about 85%)
        7. People of Crimea were appalled by the events in Korsun when a convoy of buses with protesters against the Ukrainian nationalists coup in Kiev were stopped on their way back to Crimea, people were rounded and massacred . Korsun massacre that’s what really pushed people of Crimea away from Ukraine http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/02/korsun-massacre-anniversary-what-really.html

        1. Zee & Elena,
          I agree with you both completely. It’s important to understand the motives of the US in Ukraine, and their active ‘interest’ and meddling goes back to the 1990s. Russia have very good reason to fear US-based NGOs and religious groups. These are routinely used for espionage, destabilisation, the spreading of US ‘values’ and US economic interests. They are precursors to the establishment of NATO bases, and ultimately US economic control and cultural transformation. Their influence in România, Poland, Georgia and the Baltic states is very great. Even Moldova is under threat of NATO. Only Belarus, Transnistria, Abkhazia and S. Ossetia have managed to keep these malign influences at bay.

  78. To Paul

    Re bin footage – Audio for film no. 2
    Male reporter: “Two people ended up in hospital and they had to decontaminate the hospital and it’s got something to do with this. [bin] The chap that was here last night. [4th] They’re focussing on the bin and litter at the moment.”

    Female: “I was told it was to do with fentanyl, they’d found some fentanyl. Oh I don’t know. My granddaughter’s in hospital and I was up there visiting this afternoon. She told me that. It must be some kind of drugs. Oh my God I don’t know how Salisbury’s going to recover.”

    The taller man with, what looks like a dark balaclava on his head, uses a pair of surgical scissors to hold a small, clear plastic bottle (the sort you get for eye drops) and puts it in a clear plastic bag. The bag is put on the ground and photos are then taken of it. You can’t see them taking the bottle out of the bin because they’re stood in the way of the camera. The bottle looked empty.

    Film no. 3 a male says “Multiple layers of gloves” then slams the door.

    2. That “dark ballaclava” that I’ve seen (in the video) on the heads of two people (one female, I think) really bothers me.

      Why?

      On the NBC course we were taught to ensure that there were no gaps exposed in our NBC suit. The NBC suits (those grey/silver one-piece – ours were green) we were issued with comprised a one piece over-suit with hood, plus over-boots and over gloves. That hood was designed cover the head and fit tightly around the gas mask.

      So, those folks with the ballaclavas, because their hoods were pulled back, presumably had a exposed gap between their ballaclava and the suit with the hood folded back.

      Why aren’t they dead ?

      The other thing that bothers me is why Equity (the actors union) isn’t up in arms about these non-Equity (I presume) folk, getting away with all this theatre and bring the profession into disrepute.

    3. first reports
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/05/alleged-former-russian-spy-critically-exposure-unknown-substance/

      Police wearing protective suits on Monday night were examining the area around the bench where the couple had collapsed. One well-placed source told The Telegraph a number of police officers who had initially attended the scene had also been treated for possible contamination although this newspaper was unable to verify that.

      One report suggested a ‘specialist chemical response unit’ had removed an ‘unknown substance’ which had been wrapped in several protective layers.

  79. It seems we will never see the R&A photos of the cathedral.

    Quote : RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan told about the fate of the photos against the background of the cathedral, which Petrov and Boshirov promised to provide.
    The Russians stressed that they had pictures proving this, however, they did not take them with them. Then Simonyan asked Petrov and Boshirov to send photos later.
    “They said that if they find pictures, they will forward them to me,” the editor said.
    At the moment, Simonyan did not get a photo, she continues to wait.
    https://www.rusdialog.ru/world/157637_1537559341

    Quote (translated from Russian) : Margarita Simonyan, who interviewed the London suspects in the poisoning of the Skripals in Salisbury, said she could not contact Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov again.
    Glavred TV channel RT Margarita Simonyan said that she tried to phone again with Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov. In an interview with the BBC television company, she said that she still waited for a photo from the Salisbury Cathedral.
    These pictures Petrov and Boshirov, who are suspected by London of the poisoning of the Skripals in Salisbury, promised to hand it over to her during an interview.
    However, in WhatsApp, as they promised, they never contacted her. And when, she confesses, she tried to contact the men by phone, by which they called her, then the number was out of the access zone.
    “As for their history, I have no reason to believe them: I do not know them, we are not old friends. However, I have no more reason to believe the intelligence services, which previously said untruths “, said the chief editor of RT.
    https://tsargrad.tv/news/i-foto-vse-eshhe-zhdu-glavred-rt-rasskazala-kak-pytalas-dozvonitsja-petrovu-i-boshirovu_159541

  80. The whole speculation about the movements of R&B close to the Skripals is nonsense.
    Dauwalder’s CCTV system time (GMT) was out by approx. 46 minutes.

    I spoke with them.

    1. Hm, Jürgen…
      The Dauwalder video starts at 01:48:43
      If you subtract the 46 minutes you specified, then R & B would have arrived at 01:02:43 in front of the Dauwalder.
      But that does not coincide with the 1:05 on the Fisherton Bridge.

        1. @Juergan – would you please specify who you spoke to, at what time, and exactly what he said? As others have noted, it can be critical for CCTV images to have an accurate timestamp for legal and insurance purposes.

            1. You spoke in person? On the phone? Via email. Because they don’t seem to have replied to anybody else.
              And I don’t know where you come from Juergen but approximately 46 minutes expressed by an English speaker would be three quarters of an hour or 45 minutes.
              46 is exact not approximate.

              1. I had contact with him and asked him a lot of questions. I’m a German writer and I do a lot of research for a book. He replied and answered only few of my questions. Dauwalders contract with Mail Online does not allow him to discuss the video footage from the 4th March. All rights have been sold. He said: CCTV system time was out approx. 46 min.

        2. Case solved, Juergen? Really? So why did it take R&A 42 minutes to get from Summerlock Approach (13:08) to the train station (13:50:56), a walk of 5 minutes maximum? What were they doing during that time? Case very much open.

          1. Hi Rob, I respect your work very much. We have to be very careful about this. An argument that has false premises can not be valid.

            Neil Basu said:
            CCTV 6: At 13.05 on Sunday, 4 March, the suspects are caught on CCTV (image six) in Fisherton Street, in Salisbury town centre, heading towards the train station.
            CCTV 7: Image seven is a rear shot of the suspects in Fisherton Street minutes later, at 13.08 on Sunday, 4 March.
            CCTV 8: Image eight shows the suspects at Salisbury train station at 13.50 on Sunday, 4 March, as they embark on their journey back to London – “Boshirov” is in the foreground and “Petrov” at the rear.

            Conclusion:
            1. Neil Basu did not say that the timestamps (CCTV6-8) are correct.
            2. In order to create an exact route-time-diagram for legal purpose, one should know, whether the timers of the CCVT6-8 were set correctly. The camera at Dauwalder was set wrong. What about CCTV6-8? Nobody knows.
            3. Picture CCTV6 has neither an ID number nor a time code.
            4. Picture CCTV7 has neither an ID number nor a time code.
            5. CCTV8 has neither an ID number nor a time code on the picture.
            The following applies: The time codes can be correct or wrong.

            If you know the time-related deviation between time codes on the CCTV pictures and the actual time, one can start with the mathematics and localization.

            Besides: The MET have had Dauwalders CCTV footage since March.

            Regards

          2. You asked me: What were they doing during that time?

            Sorry, I forgot to answer you.

            Speculation: Like the day before they went into the Railway station a little bit earlier. CCTV8 shows them with opened jackets when going through the turnstile. Maybe they have been in the Cafe Ritazza for a while. It’s in the Ticket Hall Entrance.

            There’s a CCTV in the Ticket Hall. We need the help of Scotland Yards super recogniser squad.

            1. Thanks Juergen.

              This is helpful.

              However, (as with most things in this case) it does raise more questions. You said that Mr Dauwalder stated that the CCTV was out by approximately 46 minutes. If this is the case, my assumption is that it was 46 minutes fast rather than slow. Which, as Liane pointed out, would put them outside the shop at 13:02 – 13:03.

              You then said that Mr Dauwalder had said “approximately 46 minutes” which could be within 2-3 minutes. But as Patrick pointed out, this is nonsense in English. One might say approximately 45 minutes, or approximately 3/4 of an hour, which might give leeway of about 42-48 minutes. But if he said “approximately 46 minutes” this cannot really mean anything other than very close to 46 minutes, give or take a few seconds either way.

              Either of which would put the two guys at Dauwalders at about 13:02 – 13:03, which doesn’t fit the sequence of the Met images at 13:05 and 13:08, though of course they are not timestamped and could be wrong.

              I am fairly sure that the 13:05 image at least comes before the Dauwalders stamp. What is then odd about this is that the two guys crossed over the road, whereas there is no need to do that if you are walking to the station. And they certainly didn’t cross the road *to* look in Dauwalders. You can see from the CCTV that they are walking past it and something just captures their attention.

              There is nothing on the Dauwalders side of the road that would attract the attention of tourists on their way to the train station. Nothing to cross the road for. And so it becomes a bit like the old “Why did the chicken cross the road?” jokes we used to have in England. “Why did Alex and Rus cross the road?” To get to the other side???

              Just tourists wandering about? Possibly. But again, here’s where we are stuck with being unsure of the timings. According to the Met, the two got into Salisbury at approximately 14:25 on Saturday 3rd March. According to the two men, they had come to visit, amongst other things, Stonehenge, but the weather prevented them. It is true that the weather would have prevented them, but if the Met time is correct (who knows) not only would the weather have prevented them, but so too would the time. Stonehenge closes at 17:00 on Saturday at that time of year and the last admissions are two hours prior to that. So if the Met time is correct (again if???) then they left themselves just 35 minutes to get from Salisbury to Stonehenge on the Stonehenge tour bus.

          3. Juergen, you’re saying that Dauwalders can be relied on to say what their CCTV clock’s actual time was for a recording from six months ago, even though they allowed that clock to be out by 46 minutes.

            On the other hand, you’re suggesting that timestamps can be wrong in the case of CCTV controlled by railway companies and police – two types of organisation for whom the exact time of events is very important.

            The simplest explanation is that Dauwalders CCTV clock was off by about four minutes, which would have given P&B time to get to the train station at 13:50. The police have no motive to fake timestamps for that part of the timeline (it doesn’t prove P&B’s guilt) and there’s no reason to believe the CCTV system clock was inaccurate.

            1. I never said that the police faked any timestamps!
              Some photos have no timestamps. And the court has to check whether the CCTVs have worked accurately and displayed the accurate time.
              That’s why any lawyer would ask:
              1. Where is the timestamp on the photos?
              2. Why is there no timestamp on the photos?
              3. Prove that the photo was taken at the time you claimed.
              4. And that also applies to Dauwalders CCTV.
              That’s all.
              I do not see any problem. Maybe P&B went to the station, had some time left before the departure and had a coffee (or Wodka).

              There was also the claim that P&B had downed the Novichok perfume in a charity bin behind Catherine Street. I spoke with the owners of the bins. They told me the bins that were investigated were for refuse collection only and not for charity donations. And – I quote – “that the relevant authorities have confirmed that they have no evidence to suggest that the perfume bottle in question was ever in their external bin”.

              The Cancer Research UK shop has continued to trade as normal throughout these investigations. We were advised by the police that there was no risk to our staff or members of the public.”

                1. I was told by an expert that CCTV5 (Shell gas station) could also be manipulated. But the picture it is compressed. A precise argumentation is not possible.

                  1. The really odd thing about CCTV5 is that the timestamp is ‘pixel perfect’ – it looks like the timestamp was added after the rest of the image had been prepared. Opening and then re-saving jpeg images causes serious degredation in the image quality (the compression algorithm recalculates the entire image each time it is saved) – the timestamp has no loss of clarity or quality whilst other parts of the image show significant quality loss.

              2. Hello Juergen, you are bringing in some good material. Thanks for joining in.

                I suppose you asked this question and I realise the Dauwalders signed a contract with The Mail BUT:

                Didn’t they, or the Mail journalists, realise the significance of the time stamp being incorrect?
                It is obviously a very important part of the narrative.
                I can imagine the interview between the excited journalists and the seemingly meticulous coin collectors, but I can’t imagine the topic of the 46 minutes not being brought up.
                Any thoughts?

          4. Juergen, if I understand your version of events correctly, P&B were on Summerlock Approach on their way to the train station at a few minutes after one o’clock, depending on how accurate the CCTV timestamps are.

            So they would have reached the the station (less than 500m away) by 13:15. In that case they could have caught the next train to Waterloo at 13:27. They would therefore have no reason to be sitting around at the station drinking coffee or doing anything else until 13:50.

              1. Lots of things are possible, its equally possible that they met up with or performed a drop/collection for the Skripals in or around the Sainsburys carpark/Avon playground area. The known timings and movements of all parties allow such an event. In the absence of any further CCTV images to fix their locations at various other times we can only speculate of course. However your idea of them sitting having coffee in a cafe waiting for a later train does not really gel with the idea of two assassins who have just carried out a dangerous poisoning operation does it?

                If one assumes the Russian pair are assassins and sprayed Sergei’s doorknob with nerve agent, why did they need to go to the town centre at all (and get on additional cameras too)? Would they not just go straight back to the station and get out of Dodge asap? Not wander around looking in coin shop windows and having leisurely coffees? Not least because having just used nerve agent I’d want a full change of clothes and shower, not sitting drinking coffee with the chance I’m ingesting traces of nerve agent from my clothes and or hands.

                To my way of thinking, the known movements of B&P fit someone trying to contact the Skripals, or at least perform a monitored collection/drop, not someone trying to spray his doorknob and disappear. They appear to have headed towards his house, maybe got close, but obviously whatever their intention was it could not be achieved at that time, because they then head into town, hang around for approximately 45 mins in the general location that the Skripals eventually come to, then go straight to the station and leave Salisbury. These are the actions of men who are thwarted at Christie Miller road, but able to achieve their aims soon after in the centre of town, having crossed paths with the Skripals.

          5. Juergen, did Mr Dauwalder say why he believed that the CCTV clock was off by 46 minutes? I could give three possible reasons why he might believe that, but I’d like to see his explanation first, if he gave it to you.

  81. I have made an FOI request to Network Rail asking if Salisbury station CCTV has embedded timestamp/camera number like the 7/7 Luton station examples.

    Of course any Salisbury residents or anyone passing through the station that day (or any day) could submit Subject Access Request for their CCTV image from Network Rail.
    Or anyone who was in Waterloo station, they have their own direct contact info for such requests. So if you think you were caught on CCTV that day – get your request in.

    PS if you walked past any CCTV you can make same request of operator. Could be useful for ascertaining correct times and what an actual image looks like.

    https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/cctv/

    1. Liane – that is what makes the Met timeline so inconsistent with Dauwalders.
      Why would they get to the station so early for the 14.27?
      13.48 at Dauwalders makes perfect sense though.

    2. What no direct and regularly scheduled (including Sundays) Salisbury to Waterloo station on 4 Mar? (Scheduled travel time 1 hour and 20 minutes to 1 hour and 30 minutes depending on off-time and peak time travel – except for late night.) They had to change trains at Basingstoke?

      1. Marie, I´m not sure about that. Info was on twitter. But you have to register at this rail site to check it out.
        Maybe someone who is already registered there can look at it.

      2. Normally there’s a train all the way from Salisbury to Waterloo that takes about an hour and a half. But that day passengers had to change at Basingstoke because of engineering works:

        “Altered train services in and out of London Waterloo Sunday 4 March
        (…)
        Trains to Salisbury and Exeter will only run west of Basingstoke”
        https://twitter.com/SW_Railway/status/970325246082539521

        The question of what train P&B might have taken was discussed here:
        https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/lynch-mob-mentality/comment-page-14/#comments

  83. The Guardian keeps pushing Bellingcat passport story:

    Russian passport leak after Salisbury may reveal spy methods

    A leak of Russian government data about the suspects in the Salisbury poisoning may provide a rare insight into how Russia’s military intelligence agency provides cover identities for its agents abroad.

    Investigative journalists have unearthed what appears to be a series of passports with similar numbers belonging to suspected Russian intelligence officers, including the Salisbury suspects Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/23/russian-passport-leak-after-salisbury-may-reveal-spy-methods

    1. @Sibiriak – The telling line is the start of the fifth paragraph in the article: “If the reporting is confirmed…” I’ve come to the conclusion that any report using the weasel words, “linked” or “tied,” when referring to persons, things, or events really just means, “also exist or happened here on Earth.”

    2. As everyone, including A&R, seems to agree or accept that they traveled from Moscow and landed at Gatwick carrying Russian passports, a review of their UK Visa applications (which requires disclosure of family, finances, where they would stay and how much they would spend) should be the first order of business. That also just happens to be the documents that are in the custody of HMG and they don’t need Bellingcrap to break into Russian systems to get their passport information.

      HMG declined to publicly state what isn’t true in those applications — likely because they can’t identify and verify anything that’s false.

    3. The guardian is never believable, it hsa become a blatant propaganda outlet for the establishment mindset. It publishes thinly disguised crap from the uk security establishment. The guardian trust has been bought out by ugly people such as ……?… insert your prefence here. For the last few years it has plummeted to beneath contempt.

      It may be useful for studying the mechanism of lies and misinformation, nothing else.

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  84. Two more things about the bin…

    1) the video of the search does look like a training exercise or LARPing (Live Action Role Play) – is that what it actually was? The pre-planned conclusion of a training exercise, intended to determine how good the civil response would be?

    2) There is another interesting point about the location of the bin. It has (unobstructed) line of sight from the car park:
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Maltings+Car+Park,+Summerlock+Approach,+Salisbury+SP1+1BD,+UK/@51.0703564,-1.7982341,33m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4873ebf010b4aaf3:0x73192f6b2dbc58c3!8m2!3d51.070772!4d-1.7987576

    The black rectangle to the right of the play area is the bin (and its shadow); the white rectangle (corner of the car park) is the ticket machine Sergei had used.

    – Had Sergei left something in his car to be collected and he was feeding ducks waiting for a signal it had been collected?
    – Was feeding the ducks itself a signal to someone standing and watching from the ticket machine?

    If you zoom out, there is nowhere else that has such an unobstructed view – is this a coincidence?

    Lastly, why did Sergei bother with a parking ticket at all if he never expected to return to his car? Just park it and walk away.

    1. I don’t think it was Skripals feeding the ducks. But I guess the people feeding the ducks placed something in the bin.
      Maybe the CCTV couple we never heard of again.
      Skripal watching them from the car park to collect from the bin would fit.
      Is the bin covered by CCTV?

  85. from before the door knob theory was introduced
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/15/salisbury-poisoning-nerve-agent-feared-have-spread-police-officer/
    “Concern for the family of the police officer who went to the aid of the poisoned Russian spy has grown after Army and police sealed off his street and began work to remove his car for examination.

    Speculation grew that Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey may have carried traces of the nerve agent Novichok home with him after attempting to resuscitate Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

    Police erected a wide cordon around DS Bailey’s street, in the village of Alderholt, 20 minutes drive from Salisbury on Thursday.”

    No doctor treating the Skripals got the toxin. He is bound to have handled the stuff Skripals got attacked with. In later news he was at Skripals home. “Highly likely” he brought the toxin to the door knob.

    “DS Bailey, who was among the first to attend to Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia, before possibly examining their red BMW, where it is thought the nerve agent Novichok may have been placed, was initially discharged from hospital after a check up.”

    So he took the house and car keys. And found out where the car was parked.

    Most of the decontaminated sites (if not all, if he also went to the Mill Pub and Sizzis) are Bailey sites
    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2556000/work-begins-to-decontaminate-sites-in-salisbury-spy-poisoning/

    Including the Bourne hill council house and police station
    http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/news/articles/bourne-hill-cleaned

    It is possible Skripal’s were attacked with something thrown into the Avon Playground bin. And Bailey picked it up to take it to the police station.

    Or Skripals picked something out of the playground bin and got contaminated opening it. And Bailey removed it.

    Question: Is the bin covered by CCTV?

    1. plus the FT before the door knob theory
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      https://www.ft.com/content/10d8a266-2b99-11e8-9b4b-bc4b9f08f381

      But only three people remain in a serious or critical condition; the Skripals and Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who was one of the first to attend to the Russian and his daughter. DS Bailey is also known to have gone to Mr Skripal’s house, suggesting he may have been exposed to the poison there.

      Two other officers, PC Alex Way and PC Alex Collins, also attended to the Skripals on the bench at the Maltings but do not appear to have had any health issues.

      Public Health England insisted the “immediate risk to those affected is extremely low”.

  86. If this had not been Salisbury, what would the response have been? What should it have been? What are the established procedures for what they thought they were dealing with?

    The different stages of realisation / evidence based responses.

    1) Two people, potentially homeless, found on park bench in a popular shopping area of a city centre (albeit a very small city). It is closing time for the shops on a Sunday afternoon, people are making their way home.

    The couple looked like they had taken something quite strong but initially slumped / in a zombie trance state.

    Salisbury apart from its response to such incidents is like all other towns and cities in the UK which is a reflection on our governments. It has serious and growing drug and homeless problems.

    I don’t know what the rule books say but I would expect someone to phone for the emergency services and once an assessment of their condition was made left alone to sleep it off or taken off to hospital or the cells. I would not expect the Air Ambulance to be called out, they are very expensive to fly (fuel cost) (anybody the cost of fuel alone for the 130km round trip undertaken?) And I would not expect the Air Ambulance Rapid Response Road Vehicle to be called to the scene from Devizes (40km) when a fleet of ready and willing ambulances and crews (vans and cars) are available 4 km away.

    And once the concerned member of the public made that call I would not expect the police and paramedics to be on the scene within 60 seconds.

    2) The situation deteriorates at the scene, both now fully collapsed, one fitting and doubly incontinent. The ambulances are on the scene, Who called the Air Ambulance Service when the patients are on 4 km by road from the hospital. Why was a AA Rapid Response car despatched along with the helicopter? SDH Ambulances were already at the scene. Why were the patients kept at the scene for an hour, why were they not taken directly to hospital?

    3) The address of one of the patients was ascertained from their ID which must have been on their person, police were at the patients home and in it whilst the patients are still by the bench. Is this normal practice? Is this going to happen in any other town or city tonight in the uk, when someone thought to be suffering a drugs overdose is picked up on the street? The answer is of course No!

    4) And when the police were in possession of Serge’s name and address they learned immediately his special status, he was a Russian Spy Swap Asset, he was an exceptional resident of Salisbury, did this change the incident response focus? No!

    5) Then the police need help tracing the couple’s movements on the day of the attack and ask for the public’s assistance, do they issue a description of what they looked like, how they were dressed, their hair colour / style, publish a photo of them from that day to jog memories? No!

    6) And when they learn it is a Nerve Agent and have gleaned from the cctv in the city (a very good, HD system recently upgraded) the couples movements. And taken cctv recordings from premises where the couple were filmed, did the police show these recordings to the public and say if you were the people in this footage or know them we need to talk to you/them and they may also need checking out at the hospital.? No they didn’t!
    Even the children who ate bread given to them by Sergei with his freshly contaminated hands were not considered to be at risk until 2 weeks later. Why was that?
    7) The Nerve Agent attack is confirmed, do the police cordon off everywhere the couple were known to have been, where they could have been attacked, where they may have vomited, where nerve agent may still persist, evidence still exist? No! The public are allowed to walk around completely unprotected and we are told at low risk.

    The answers, of course, prove the public have been taken for fools by the police and government. Not just the residents of Salisbury or the general public but foreign governments have been taken for mugs. Thick, stupid mugs and they all fell for the pathetic unconvincing Official Narrative so as to back the US attack on Putin and his defiance in holding the Middle East together.

    Anybody that believes another word that comes out of the mouth of May, her government or the Met / Wilts Constabulary on this or any matter is a bloody fool, they cannot be trusted, they have proved beyond reasonable doubt that they cannot be trusted. They are Involve in covering up the death of Dawn Sturgess, they are Anti Britain and Anti Democracy, they are scum and the world knows it.

    1. There are people who comment on here that prefer to take the government’s and police word as facts when the evidence, logic and common sense indicate something quite different

      Some of these people are trolls and shills, some are just thick but the vast majority that still believe the government line (or parts of it) suffer from the psychological problem of denial. It is easier to accept a lie rather than face the full horror of the truth. Nothing will break that inability to question.

      And the State takes full advantage of that human frailty.

      1. I wouldn’t mind betting that there are people who comment and read comments here that are not aware that 3 skyscrapers collapsed on 9/11, they don’t know because they don’t care, its easier that way.

        1. @ Peter,

          The moment my thoughts deviate [even if ever so slightly] from official statements, they’re labeled ‘crackpot,’ ‘conspiracy’ and ‘loony bin’ theories. When governmental theories are void of any logic and presented with a lack of verifiable evidence [this being 2018, not 1918], they’re simply lies. I’ve never appreciated anyone lying to me, let alone those who’re supposed to ‘govern’ us and am thus inclined to stick to logic and evidence, until I’m proven wrong [with logic and evidence].

    2. The more I think about the police visiting the Coopers, the less sense it makes.

      Why did the police visit the Coopers at all? The incident was almost 3 weeks old by then.

      Is there any reason for the police to involve the Coopers at such a late stage?

      1. To find out if they’d seen anyone they shouldn’t have done. In the light of what the police had learnt in the meantime, I think they suspected that there was a risk to ‘national security’ and that the Coopers might have become a liability. Supposing that’s true, and the Coopers had seen something they shouldn’t, arrangements would have made to disappear them too ! MI6 is totally ruthless when it comes to preserving their secrets and myths. They’ll stop at nothing.

        1. Or to see if Aiden had seen what Sergei got out of the ‘bread bag’? I am more inclined to the idea that Sergei got something from the bin (or near it). If he had thrown something away they would have found it (and as an ex spy I don’t think Sergei would be so careless).

          We were told Sergei gave the boy ‘a slice’ – so not all bread crumbs. Maybe there was something hidden between the slices (an sd card? or a written message? who knows) – maybe the police didn’t know either and wanted to see if Aiden could help…

          Did the police visit the other parents too, or only the Coopers… if so, what made Aiden different?

          1. Quite possibly, Paul.

            What was it that brought the boys’ involvement with the Skripals to the notice of the police in the first place?
            Was it Aidan’s parents after learning of possible dangers to his health?
            Who was it who saw them all feeding the ducks at 1.40? Did this person report it?
            I need to search for the timings over the Aidan Cooper elements of the affair. Like the police, I’m a bit vague on the duck-feeding details !

            Rob, maybe you could find out more from the Coopers?

            1. So the story goes, the police turned up on the Coopers doorstep with CCTV showing Aiden with the Skripals. His parents did not know anything about it until the police arrived.

              There was a story that one of the other parents had earlier found out and had taken to ‘social media’. This was claimed by someone calling themselves “PrincessTraci77” – this is likely to be a fabricated story and has been mentioned on the blog in the past, here:
              https://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisonings-how-the-ducks-led-down-a-rabbit-trail-then-to-some-potentially-crucial-information/#comment-6188
              and here:
              https://www.theblogmire.com/british-government-chairs-emergency-meeting-of-cobra-to-discuss-the-sinister-discovery-that-russia-isnt-mordor/#comment-6000

              Nobody reported anything as far as we know and the whole ‘duck feeding’ story only came to light because the police approached the Coopers.

              1. Thanks, Paul. Yes, I remember “PrincessTraci”. I liked the way you began: “So the story goes…” !

                It’s all so typical of this affair – vague to the point of frustration. I wonder how the police knew the boys’s name and where he lived. I must have begun with someone who either recognised him (and/or the other boys) at the time in the park, or somebody who had viewed the video and recognised him… or maybe, the police approached schools to identify them.

                Whatever it was, it happened relatively late. The police were certainly not concerned about whether the boys would suffer poisoning – so what WAS their motive in visiting the Coopers ? And why has this episode been quietly buried ?

                1. Your last para is exactly the point – it was nothing to do with any poisoning, that much is clear, so why did the police ‘out’ themselves with this? Was it something they wanted us to know? Had they run out of ideas and wanted to find out if Aiden knew something? Is it all a red herring just to keep the Blogmire going?

                2. I see the Coopers episode as a blunder by those who control the case. At some point they decided to get kids involved in the Novichok story to make it look even more appalling for the public. Remember The Sun’s headline: Putin’s youngest victim
                  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5916870/schoolboy-salisbury-nerve-agent-attack/
                  The Sun duly told the story of the boys and the ducks, but then TPTB realized that this episode actually debunks their door-handle tale. So it was made to be forgotten. (But not by Rob.)

    3. Peter I agree 100%. If you were in Lincoln or Durham today and took ill I can guarantee the response would not be like 4/3 in Salisbury (maybe the military exercise could be used to explain – but what are the odds).
      And the duck feeding shows they had nothing on their hands as neither ducks nor boys affected.
      Also as I said before Zizzi’s garlic bread comes ready cut to eat with fingers, no plates, knives or forks. The Skripals would have ingested “novichok” surely fatal if it can kill through the skin.

    4. Hi Peter, According to the Wiltshire Air Ambulance page:

      “Welcome to the official Facebook page for Wiltshire Air Ambulance. It costs £3.25m per year – or £8,904 per day – to keep us flying and saving lives”

      and not forgetting its Wilts Police/MI56 undercover operations.

      1. There have been serious cuts made to the police helicopter service (now based nationally at Wakefield).

        Wikipedia:
        “In February 2015 it was announced that, due to a 14% cut in revenue over the following three years, the NPAS would be closing ten bases [out of 17] over two years. As fixed-wing aircraft are cheaper to fly, a new aeroplane base will created. This new fixed wing base is planned for Doncaster Airport…

        There has been much criticism from serving police officers around the service provided by NPAS since it began operation. This has led to Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services inspecting NPAS with its conclusions made public on 30 November 2017. The report was scathing of the service provided…”

        At one time police helicopters almost certainly did the occasional unorthodox (MI5-related) flights. Now that they’re thinner on the ground (and, presumably in the sky too), perhaps MI5 have turned to charity… After all, with ex-police pilots flying on Air Ambulance duties, it wouldn’t be that unusual to oblige MI5 once in a while.

        The fact that AA services are using their helicopters and staff for non-AA activities (visiting the Filmers and flying to Sainsbury’s car park) is a scandal when they rely upon charitable donations from the public. Something more needs to be made out of this. Surely, as a registered charity, they are breaking charity law. I doubt that the British public would want to donate if they knew this was going on. It may only apply to Wiltshire AA, but who knows?

        1. Yes Miheila,

          And Air Ambulances are perfect cover. Nobody ever thinks, when they see them, that they might be being used nefarious activities.

          1. Talking of perfect cover, MI5 has been using fake London Taxis for many years. In the 70s they had a couple of their own working from Barnard Road, Clapham, with reg numbers changed regularly. (Also many other vehicles, such as tradesmen’s vans with fake company names, etc. on them).

  87. https://goo.gl/images/8M3ra3

    Look at this image of 7/7 bombers at Luton railway station.
    Clearly embedded camera identifier and timestamp.
    Now look at Salisbury station images. The Saturday one has a timestamp. The Sunday ones have added on as an afterthought on the bottom.
    Has Network Rail CCTV technology regressed so much in 13 years that they no longer have dates and times on them?
    If not how have the photos been cropped/digitally manipulated to remove timestamps? And for what purpose?

    1. @Patrick – Thanks for link. We’ve had extensive discussions in previous posts about the inconsistencies of the photos released by the Met. I spent a little time looking at unrelated CCTV video and stills on the Met site. Some had timestamps and some did not.

      I’m going to look/ask for a Met policy document on handling images released to the public. That can’t be forbidden knowledge, can it?

      There was some discussion of the Gatwick images in the MSM and the web, in general. However, it seems all those people stopped looking after those first two photos. @Rob and we here at theblogmire appear to be the only ones talking about the other photos and the conflict with the Dauwalders video.

  88. Chris linked to
    https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1043762598921957379 ,
    where Elena Evdokimova writes : “So much for rain “diluting” #Novichok on #Skripal’s door knob – there was no rain until 13:30 UTC at least. Daylight saving started in UK on Mar 25, 2018, so BST =UTC on 4th March 2018. The time stamp on police CCTV snapshot at 13:05-is wrong, it shows water on the ground.”
    She relies on Charles Wood, who gives an animated image with this comment :
    “Rainfall intensity at Salisbury (red dot) 2018-03-04 12:00Z to 1330Z. i.e. the critical period when rain is alleged to have diluted the fresh Novichocks on the Skripal doorknob.”
    https://twitter.com/Mare_Indicum/status/1043747669984784384

    I would appreciate comments on this. Can it be confirmed from an official source that it didn’t rain in Salisbury before 13:30 on March 4th ?

    1. This is hour by hour weather for Salisbury SP2 on 4 March:
      https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/gb/salisbury/IWILTSHI68/date/2018-3-4

      It is officially zero but that is because the smallest unit is 0.1 inches – so a bit of drizzle won’t be enough to be recorded. We can see on some of the video later in the day that it was definitely ‘raining’ (but not a lot). Humidity however was 100% for much of the day.

      Regarding wet road, you also had a lot of melting snow.

      2. The heavy sleet that sent the assassins back to the station didn’t happen according to the cctv pics and the duck feeding event

    1. Given that Charlie’s story about the perfume bottle is sheer nonsense and that it was the only explanation as to how he and Dawn got poisoned, I think it is fair to conclude that Charlie and Dawn were not poisoned with Novichok or whatever the Skripals had been poisoned with. Also, given Charlie’s and Dawn’s history of substance abuse, it is likely that they got ill because of illegal drugs.

      Taking into account the narrative of Charlie’s friend Sam Hobson, who saw Charlie and Dawn falling ill, I suggest the following hypothesis. In the morning of 30 June, without Charlie knowing, Dawn took some amount of illegal drugs he bought the day before. Unfortunately, it was a rogue batch and Dawn fell ill. Charlie, after having gone to various places, felt addiction agony and took the same drug, which made him ill, too.

      Sam’s story:
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wiltshire-salisbury-amesbury-major-incident-victims-dawn-sturgess-charlie-rowley-latest-a8431376.html

      See this part:
      “He [Charlie] felt ill and went for a shower. Then his eyes went bloodshot and like two pin pricks, he began garbling incoherently and I could tell he was hallucinating”.

      My guess is that “felt ill” was addict agony and Charlie went to his bathroom as if for a shower but in fact he wanted to take a bit of drug from his new batch. It is strange to wish to have shower when falling ill. Charlie kept drugs in his bathroom and when he felt addict agony he invented a pretext for Sam to go there.

      TPTB used Charlie’s and Dawn’s illness in order to add even more drama to the Novichok horror story (Britons were poisoned!) and to interrupt the positive news flow from the World Cup in Russia.

      1. iirc Sam Hobson only got to Charlie’s flat after Dawn was taken by ambulance to SDH.

        Tend to agree that it was illegal drugs (or what they thought were drugs) and not Novichok or closely related substance that poisoned Dawn and later Charlie. However, not likely that Charlie suspected that his new stash was like Dawn’s stash or Dawn had taken from his stash. Surprised that he didn’t flush whatever he had down the toilet after calling 999 for Dawn.

        If SDH/NHS reported to Met CT that Sturgess’ symptoms were identical to that of the Salisbury couple, Met CT would naturally have run with that. Have to wonder if SDH ever received the actual blood test results from the Salisbury poisoning.

        1. Highly likely, Milda, and I’ve suspected that for a long time now – which would mean that the state did not murder Dawn Sturgess. They’re just pretending that another state did.

          Marie. Being a ‘national security’ issue it wouldn’t surprise me that SDH didn’t receive the blood test results. They’d have gone to the unnamed PD doctor who was in charge of the bench couple patients. Sergei was almost certainly registered with a local NHS doctor. I wonder what his records have to say about his alleged poisoning and treatment – not to mention SDH’s own records.

          Everything points to fentanyls being involved in both cases.

        2. As I see it, Dawn took some amount of drugs from Charlie’s stash without his knowledge. It was his home, not hers. For instance, Charlie purchased some drugs on 29 June. He stashed his drugs in the bathroom. Dawn, by chance, saw where the stash was. In the morning of 30 June, Dawn took a tablet and soon fell ill, as the drugs turned out to have been from a rogue batch. Charlie did not know that Dawn took a tablet from his stash. He could have thought that she just got ill for some natural reason like high blood pressure or something like that. Later, in the afternoon, he began craving for a dope. He looked unwell and perhaps told Sam Hobson that he was unwell. He needed to go to his bathroom to take a tablet from his stash, so he said that he wanted to take a shower. (To repeat, it is very strange to wish to have a shower when getting ill.)

  90. The South Front article pointed out by Anonymous about Porton Down’s bioweapons experiments, many in partnership with the US, is terrifying. Astonishing that the UK government in 2013 allowed open experimentation in the Underground on its people and any ‘foreigners’ who were there. Surely this must be against UK national laws, if not international laws?!!! There’s another equally terrifying article written this September. This exposes the fact that a US biological weapons laboratory in Georgia has been experimenting on people and has killed people. Title of article:US Biological Warfare Program in the Spotlight Again by Peter Korzun, 13/9/2018, Strategic Culture: “On Sept. 11, Russian media reported that the Richard Lugar Center for Public Health Research laboratory, a research facility for high-level biohazard agents located near Tbilisi, Georgia, has used human beings for conducting biological experiments. Former Minister of State Security of Georgia Igor Giorgadze talked about it during a news conference in Moscow, urging U.S. President Donald Trump to launch an investigation. He has lists of Georgians who died of hepatitis after undergoing treatment in the facility in 2015 and 2016. Many passed away on the same day. The declassified documents contain neither the indication of the causes of deaths nor real names of the deceased. According to him, the secret lab run by the U.S. military was established during the tenure of former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. The viruses could spread to neighboring countries, including Russia, Igor Giorgadze warned. The laboratory’s work is tightly under wraps. Only US personnel with security clearance have access to it. These people are accorded diplomatic immunity under the 2002 US-Georgia Agreement on defense cooperation.”
    There’s lots more in the article, including a US official denying such things were happening. When all this illegality is going on with bioweapons, what an infernal cheek the UK govt has got with this unlawful trial of Russia by propaganda for the Skripals “poisoning” in the UK which could as easily be one of their experiments except blamed on Russia. And the sick, crazy inhumanity of these bioweapons experiments by US and UK that violate international law, while UK/US preach about chemical weapons in Syria, that are in reality perpetrated by their proxy terrorists. It takes the breath away.
    As the article points out: “The US violates the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC), a legally binding treaty that outlaws biological arms. It effectively prohibits development, production, acquisition, transfer, retention, stockpiling and use of biological and toxin weapons and is a key element in the international community’s efforts.” Really Porton Down should be dismantled and outlawed, and all the other bioweapons labs.

    1. The “secret US facilities” at Porton Down operate under diplomatic immunity, meaning Garry Aitkenhead has no jurisdiction over these facilities although they operate on his site.

      1. Is there anything in the public domain to corroborate the story of a US research program at DSTL (Porton Down)? A possible source, if someone has the time to look through them, is the annual reports of DSTL.

        The 2018 report mentions “changes to US funding for non-US based S&T [science & technology” as one item on a list of “strategic risks”. There is no mention of what this US funding is for, but the sums involved must be substantial if losing is rated as a strategic risk.

        https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/726474/20180718-Dstl_ARAC_2017-18_FINAL_v1_0-O_PRINT-READY.pdf

      2. Similarly, the NSA have their own enclaves at the GCHQ sites at Cheltenham, Bude, Irton Moor, Ayios Nikolaos, Seeb, etc. The enormous NSA SIGINT site at ‘RAF’ Menwith Hill (‘RAF’ because one single RAF liason officer works there among several thousand US nationals) – employs 1200 NSA staff and 400 GCHQ staff, the biggest SIGINT base on earth.

        A crucial part of the ‘Special Relationship’ is the asymmetrical flow of intelligence, and special privileges afforded to the US side alone. The same applies at the US enclave at Porton Down.

        This master-slave relationship, bizarrely considered ‘special’, is nothing new and its origins date back to 1945. The NATO Status of Forces Agreement of 1951 and the Visiting Forces Act of 1952 enable US privilege in Britain: The VFA “provides immunity against prosecution for certain offences in the courts of United Kingdom by members of visiting forces” (i.e. US visiting forces, for no others are based in UK). It not only covers military forces, but also US civil servants accompanying a force, dependents and contractors. Britain is truly the puppet of the USA, and the USA is effectively the puppet of Israel.

  91. The rubbish bin next to the Avon Playground.

    We have discussed the bin previously – it is located right next to the playground and was of significant interest to the police. We have previously noted that it is probably connected with feeding the ducks: we wondered about the nature of the instrument that was used to test the bin and thought it might be some sort of ‘chemical sniffer’.

    I decided it was time to have another look and found some videos we have not previously mentioned. The first is a 30 second clip from a BBC news bulletin at 10pm on 6 March:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/forensics-officers-examining-the-scene-where-russian-news-footage/928860870

    The second is 6 minutes of un-broadcast video from ITN, also 5 March:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/sergei-skripal-poisoning-forensic-search-at-night-various-news-footage/930021300

    The third is also un-broadcast ITN video. The first 5 minutes appears to be a loop that keeps repeating, so watch the first 30 seconds or so and then skip to around 5 minutes – it gets more interesting.
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/sergei-skripal-poisoning-forensic-search-at-night-england-news-footage/930015242

    What on earth is going on? SIX men in full hazmat checking, testing and photographing the bin and its contents… it really was of interest… but why? It also seems they did find something and they certainly seem very cautious.

    Firstly the date. We can be sure it is indeed 5 March because ITN and BBC were not involved in the story until the Monday.

    Secondly, why this specific bin? Well the CCTV must show that Sergei approached the bin. BUT Sergei must have known that this bin was covered by CCTV – so whatever it was he did, he knew a record would exist. How could he be sure of that? Because Salisbury has been boasting about its new CCTV system and being right next to a children’s playground, it was certain to be covered. For this reason, I also don’t think it is likely that Sergei would have met R&A there. What sort of GU professional would meet a former Russian spy in the full glare of cameras? In fact, I don’t think a meeting of any sort is likely … it is a really bad place for spies to meet!

    We know, however, that Sergei was feeding ducks – but we don’t know where the bread came from. We can also guess that Sergei did approach that specific bin… but we don’t know if that was to throw something away, or take something out… or both.

    What if a bag had been left beside the bin for Sergei to collect? The bag contained some old bread and [something?]. Perhaps Sergei was carrying a similar bag as he approached, that he discarded in the bin as he collected the new bag. Or maybe he simply collected the bag and threw it away when the bread had gone and he had removed the [‘whatever it was’].

    I don’t know what it was but something happened near that bin that has been covered up. The duck feeding was covered up… in fact why did the police even go to talk to the Coopers? They knew there was no risk to Aiden or his friends after 3 weeks… so why did they do it and why/how did that story get out? Was that something they wanted us to know? Did they need to find out if Aiden knew something… that might be a problem for them?

    The bin, the ducks and the police visit to the Coopers are all connected… somehow… it is another of the things they have tried to hide. Which means it is VERY important!

    1. My take is it is a con and the people taking part think that too.

      They are fresh from an NBC exercise (or whatever its called now) they have some very expensive recording kit with them that potentially has to go in the bin at the end but the clue is the number of people surrounding the hazard. That doesn’t happen in real life it only happens on exercises to familiarise as many people at the the same time.

      When you do dangerous stuff, you go on your own or if needs must with a buddy. I know.

      But the deduction that they were led to that bin with intel, cctv or person(s) is absolutely spot on. How many bins in the Maltings area, how many got the treatment?

      There was no Nerve Agent in Salisbury. The people taking part in the course knew that, they had been taught that on an earlier module. No dead bodies was one of the give-a-ways

      1. Very interesting. Thanks, Paul. (By the way, you dated the first one incorrectly as 6th March. As you said later. they were all taken on 5th).

        Peter,

        Before I read your post, the longer I carried on watching these videos, the more I began thinking that it was all some kind of CBW exercise, possibly an urban continuation of the exercise on Salisbury Plain, and involving police (the ‘civil authority’) rather than military. An MACA exercise intentionally dove-tailed into the poisoning of the bench couple, and made to look as if it was part of the same affair in order terrorise the public by fabricating a Russian threat. A cleverly contrived hoax.

        I was intrigued by the words said very confidently by one of them : “Multiple layers of ?fluss”. I couldn’t catch that last word. Maybe it’s CBW jargon. Can anyone else ?

        1. If it was an exercise, then the couple on the bench were part of the exercise. If so, they would not be the Skripals, but the the couple seen on the Market Walk CCTV video.

          The video and the couple has fallen into the Memory Hole. The police are not looking for them as suspects or persons of interest? Why? Is it because that were actually military personnel taking part in the exercise?

      2. Hopefully you don’t get a real nerve agent incident very often. So the people standing around would have done it for experience.
        You get hundreds of European cave specialist congregating every time there is an incident – it simply is a rare opportunity.
        It would be very unusual for hospital staff not blowing the whistle in some ways if Yulia Skripal and her father had not been in the hospital with the symptoms described.
        But I agree – the exercise and location must have been part of the plan. The people who did this needed specialists who could identify novichok. Without this, without Yulia being part of it, the attack on Sergej Skripal would have been buried in the news after a week.
        Obviously it was a conspiracy of some sort, but not everybody – and not the normal British authorities – were in on it.
        The hospital would notice the acetylcholinesterase inhibition. In any rural area they would suspect insecticide.
        You can take previous Porton Down experiments as a guideline about who would have known.
        If it was part of the exercise then it was a psychological exercise on how to handle population scares.
        What was the outcome?
        – business in Salisbury
        – conservative party split
        – BREXIT
        – war in Syria – against Russia
        – war in Ukraine – against Russia
        https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/03/how-much-will-jeremy-corbyn-s-stance-russia-hurt-his-electoral-chances
        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conservative-party-poll-survation-antisemitism-brexit-theresa-may-a8523411.html
        If it was tried it does not seem to work.

        1. Fluff ! Of course !
          I think he must have been describing to the whole saga as “Multiple layers of fluff” – which it is. (After all who puts ‘multiple layers of fluff’ in litter bins?)

          As for hospital staff not blowing whistles, I don’t really think they’d have any need to. For very few, if any, would have ever attended the patients. External doctors and nurses (from PD, PHE?) would have done that, and in the new, hitherto unused ward. It had all been planned beforehand, and the situation was made to appear so serious that ‘specialists’ were called in. The normal SDH staff would have simply believed what they had been told, and passed it on for public consumption, but I do suspect that some senior staff were in on it and sworn to secrecy.

    2. On the 2nd video
      40 – 55 second looks like a small object is placed in the evidence bag.

      But the big thing i spotted was at 4min 20secs when the guy zooms in you can see a large red textured object in an evidence bag in a metal bucket.

      Could this be the red handbag

    3. We don’t know it was Sergei and Yulia Skripals feeding the ducks. We just know that Aidan’s parents “recognized” them on CCTV.
      They might have been the other CCTV couple shown. Which we never heard from again, same as the “feeding the ducks” incident that somehow disappeared.
      “Feeding the ducks” would be a way of people who don’t know each other to recognize each other without having to talk. The people who “recognized” might have well been outside of CCTVs.
      That’s another interesting question: Which part of the area is OUTSIDE of CCTV.

      1. add – I cannot see Sergej Skripal making himself known to people he does not know. Remember he felt “followed” “apprehended” and had been to the police about it before the incident.

        1. So Sergei said. Eliminate all the “Sergei said” stuff as not having any validity, but retain the fact that he fed stuff to Cassidy, Viktoria, a shopkeeper and a very different picture begins to emerge.

  92. just be thankful that you don’t live under a murderous authoritarian tyranny like the RF where you are presented with a ‘by-the-minute’ account of an event of critical public interest including related objective data within 5 days of occurrence…

    “A by-the-minute account of the events that led to the downing of the Russian Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft in Syria earlier this week will be presented to the public on Sunday, the Russian Ministry of Defence has announced.

    The presentation will include objective radar data on the situation in the air above Syria at the time of the “tragedy” on September 17… ”

    https://www.rt.com/news/439136-syria-il20-downing-israel-russia/

    1. I accidentally posted this below but will repost here as it is clearly more relevant:

      The telemetry of the missiles indicates that it was the French that shot it down not the Israelis….

      “My hat is off to Joachin [sic] Flores for his analysis here. It is long and involved and worth your time to read. I will summarize it here. His thesis? Putin is trying to save Russian/French relations by not naming France as the culprit for the lost plane and the 15 men.

      That Russia noted French missile launches but didn’t say what or who they hit. And before the Russians said anything about the attack the French denied they had any involvement in the attack.

      Instead, Russia went along with the story the U.S. et.al. prepared in advance, which doesn’t fit what facts we know about the situation, that Syrian Air Defenses shot down the IL-20 by mistake.

      Both the French denial and the U.S. statements about Syrian air defenses being the culprit came before anything official came from the Russians.

      This is a classic “preparing the narrative” technique used by the West all the time. Seize the story, plant seeds of doubt and put your opponent into a rhetorical box they can’t wiggle out of with the truth.”

      https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/full-analysis-russian-disinfo-campaign-blames-israel-for-il-20-plane-downing-yet-exonerates-france/

      And there are suggestions that it was probably deliberate.

      The key to this is that the Russians have confirmed that supplementary friend/foe targeting systems did not fail, even though these systems are not embedded in the S-200 itself. If the supplemental systems prevented the Syrians from accidentally doing the shoot down… then it was not the Syrians that shot it down… somebody else did it.

      1. Paul: The key to this is that the Russians have confirmed that supplementary friend/foe targeting systems did not fail, even though these systems are not embedded in the S-200 itself. If the supplemental systems prevented the Syrians from accidentally doing the shoot down… then it was not the Syrians that shot it down… somebody else did it.
        ————————————–

        According to the Russian Defense Ministry, there was no Friend/Foe system with Russian identification codes installed in the Syrian air defense system:
        ————————————————-

        The Russian Defense Ministry has described as “amateur fantasies” claims that the Il-20 military plane was hit in Syria due to a failure in the friend-foe identification system. Each state has its own Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system and Russia does not install its identification systems on armaments exported abroad, the ministry’s spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Thursday.

        There were no precedents where it had transferred IFF systems with Russian identification codes to other states. “All this fully applies to the domestic air defense systems delivered to the Syrian Arab Republic,” he said.

        “The IFF system of state recognition used by Russia is only used by aircraft and air defense systems identified as Russian.”

        https://www.rt.com/newsline/438895-plane-syria-friend-foe/

        1. That is why I spoke about “supplemental” systems. It is well known that the Russian systems were not available but the Syrians have other means of identifying Russian assets, as I said: “even though these systems are not embedded in the S-200 itself”. They are purely ground based systems.

          Nevertheless, we will have to wait and see how this situation develops. There are several pieces that cannot be predicted and the outcome is more likley to be a ‘political’ resolution than one based on the truth.

      2. Btw, Joaquin Flores’ response to the Russian Defense Ministry’s statement was simply to admit that the RDM is telling the truth, then change the goalposts and speculate that such an IFF system was not necessary in the first place in order to prevent a Syrian shoot-down of a Russian plane.

        https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/more-experts-confirm-that-france-took-down-il-20-identify-friend-foe-system-did-not-fail/

        Flores’ whole theory is pretty much pure speculation, and not very credible, imo.

      3. Also worth noting: that Sept. 21 article by Flores is titled “More Experts Confirm that France Took Down IL-20, & Identify Friend/Foe System Did Not Fail.”

        I’ve already discussed the IFF system issue. As far as “more experts” confirming the France-did-it-theory, Flores cites only two persons: Pepe Escobar and Tom Loungo. Interesting writers, but neither of them are experts in military affairs, and neither are in any position to “confirm” Flores’ speculations. Worse, there is no link to any statement from Escobar, and the link for Loungo is to the same earlier article where Loungo had said “my hat is off to Joachin [sic] Flores for his analysis here.” So, no new information; no expert confirmation.

      4. ‘Criminal negligence’ or disregard to Russia-Israel ties: MoD details chronology of Il-20 downing 23 Sep, 2018
        ——————————————————————-

        A minute-by-minute account of the Il-20 downing shows Israel’s culpability and either its military bosses’ lack of appreciation of relations with Moscow, or their control of commanding officers, the Russian defense ministry said.

        “We believe that the blame for the Russian Il-20 aircraft tragedy lies entirely with the Israeli Air Force,” said spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov, before revealing a detailed account of events leading to the downing of the Russian Il-20 military aircraft on September 17. The plane was shot down by the Syrian air defense units as Israeli’s F-16s effectively used it as a cover during the attack on its neighbor.

        * * *

        Misinformation & ‘criminal negligence’

        On the evening of September 17, the Russian Ilyushin IL-20 with 15 crew on board was circling over the Idlib de-escalation zone on a special reconnaissance mission, when four Israeli F-16 fighter jets left their country’s airspace and flew over the neutral Mediterranean waters towards the Syrian coast. The Israeli Air Force gave the Russian side less than a minute’s warning before dropping the precision-guided glide bombs, leaving virtually no time for any safety maneuvers, Konashenkov said, calling such actions “a clear violation of the 2015 Russian-Israeli agreements.”

        Moreover, the Israeli military failed to provide the location of their jets or properly specify their targets, claiming they were going to attack several ‘industrial facilities’ in northern Syria, close to the Il-20’s area of operation. The misinformation prompted the Russian Command to order the recon plane back to the Khmeimim air base. The Israeli jets, however, instead almost immediately attacked the western Syrian Latakia province.

        Once the Syrian air defenses responded to the initial strike, the Israeli jets switched on radar jamming and pulled back, apparently preparing for another attack. One of the jets then approached the Syrian coast –and the Russian plane which at that time was preparing to land– again.

        The Israeli pilot must have been well aware of the fact that the Il-20 has a much larger radar cross-section than his F-16, and would become a “preferred target” for the Syrian air defense units, who use different friend-or-foe systems with the Russians, Konashenkov said. Thus, for the Syrians, the reconnaissance plane could appear as a group of Israeli jets.

        https://www.rt.com/news/439151-russia-israel-il-20-negligence/

    2. Welcome 77th Brigade Boris. Yes, imagine living in a country where every single journalist is of the same mind. Every newspaper, every television station. Unquestioningly obeying the state, not investigating just regurgitating half-truths and outright lies.
      It must be awful.

      1. Patrick,

        77th Brigade? He’s just being sarcastic concerning the anti-Russia hysteria, and pointing out one welcome difference. Rest of your post I agree with.

    4. And be thankful that you don’t live in Germany, where the top two items in yesterday’s news were…

      1) The head of the country’s domestic security agency (Verfassungsschutz) is being removed from his post for lying and trying to mislead the public.

      2) The German army is being prosecuted by the civil authorities for causing heath fires resulting from an accident during a military exercise.

      I think it would be safe to say that neither of these news items could happen in today’s Britain.

    1. It’s a great article by Pilger . I bought the media lens book yesterday and I’m looking forward to reading it . Media lens also have some interesting articles on Skripal and Syria . Consortium news , media lens , may on of Alabama and off guardian are all excellent .

    2. I’ll second Isa’s assessment. Pilger has long sought the truth as employed reporter and independent journalist.

      He correctly notes:

      Although journalism was always a loose extension of establishment power, something has changed in recent years. Dissent tolerated when I joined a national newspaper in Britain in the 1960s has regressed to a metaphoric underground as liberal capitalism moves towards a form of corporate dictatorship. This is a seismic shift, with journalists policing the new “groupthink”, as Parry called it, dispensing its myths and distractions, pursuing its enemies.

      It was similar in the US during those years — some journalistic integrity and independence in the aftermath of that dreadful McCarthy period. Still, even then, reporters were cheerleaders and liars for the Vietnam War. A brief awakening from that in ’67-’68, but that ended up leading the election of the odious Nixon who journalists then treated with kid gloves until 1971 when the NYTimes first and then WaPo were handed the Pentagon Papers, but that didn’t have a huge impact on public opinion because it concerned the Johnson administration and Nixon was only trying to preserve the prerogative presidential secrets (for many good reasons in his case). (Recall that the arrest of the Watergate burglars was in June ’72 and within days journalists had linked the operation to CRP and Mitchell, one of those closest to Nixon, resigned. Reporters with a reputation to protect didn’t want to touch the story — were satisfied with having the buck stop at Nixon. That November Nixon won his reelection in a landslide.)

      Reporters briefly became bulldogs in the late 1970s as they viciously attacked Carter. Dead after that except for the few who managed to remain employed and who became fewer in the subsequent decades. Those that developed their reporting/writing skills in the trenches and haven’t sold out for book deals and high dollar speaking gigs are now few and far between and old.

      1. An extract :
        “Porton Down is just one of the Pentagon-funded military laboratories in 25 countries across the world, where the US Army produces and tests man-made viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN convention. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military programme – Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa”.

        Porton Down alone have tortured around 12,000 animals each year over the past decade – all the name of developing more deadly chemical and biological weapons. – thanks to complicit tax-payers, most of whom would not agree with supporting such atrocities.

    3. Fantastic list and so very useful for those not au fait with the abbreviations, but just one thing, I’m pretty sure it’s Queen Elizabeth Gardens rather than park, i.e. QEG.

  95. I marvel at my own naivety. The Met 13.05 and 13.08 pics have NO timestamps on them. The times are only assertions by the Met.
    So…rather being manipulated by Dauwalders and Mossad, it is highly likely if those images ever had timestamps they have been cropped out. Why?

    1. For reference, the Met CT only released four images with embedded date/time stamps. These are their Image #1, #2, #3, and #5. #1 and #2 from Gatwick airport. #3 from Salibury train station. #5 from Wilton Road Shell station.

      That’s why I and some others have posed questions about all of the Met CT images.

    2. I noticed that when the story broke that most cctv had no time stamps . Then they started appearing with time stamps.

      1. Isa

        Wouldn’t it set the cat amongst the pigeons if some people captured in in the background in the videos came forward and said that that was where they were alright – but they were there the week before.

        I hear that one of the Russians has visited the UK three times.

        Is this true?

  96. Is-has Public Toilet QEP been or is going to be demolished?

    Do we have any evidence-proof released on this location to
    say A&R-Rowley-Sturgess used-visited this location?

    No we don’t..Red Herring to cover lies and make people believe
    a Major Breakthrough has been achieved…All Rubbish!

  97. @Duncan,

    You asked below on this thread when The Mill and/or Zizzi were closed – it was a very good question!

    According to The Spire FM News Team at 10:46pm 5th March 2018:

    “Police have closed a restaurant in Salisbury City Centre, in connection with the ongoing major incident.
    Zizzi, on Castle Street, has been secured as a precaution by Wiltshire Police while the investigation continues.”
    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2520286/police-close-restaurant-in-salisbury-city-centre/

    But it says nothing about The Mill.

    Then published by “The Spire FM News Team” at 12:05pm 6th March 2018, we got this:

    “MORE LOCATIONS SEALED OFF:
    A cordon remains in place at the Maltings and Zizzi restaurant on Castle Street was closed last night as “a precaution”.
    Wiltshire Police have now confirmed The Bishop’s Mill pub in the The Maltings has also been sealed off.”
    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2520766/latest-police-probing-collapsed-russian-spy-seal-off-another-location/

    Also on 6 March the SJ reported:

    “Only this evening have officers taped off the footbridge by The Mill, Market Walk, and the area in front of the library – further restricting access to the Maltings.”
    https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/16068778.Police_cordon_off_areas_around_Zizzi_and_The_Mill_in_Salisbury_Russian_spy_probe/

    So, Zizzi was closed on Sunday but The Mill was not closed until Monday. Which means the cleaners did their normal job on Sunday evening and destroyed all the evidence at The Mill!

    Then on 7 March, the (excellent!) Spire FM News Team told us this at 6:43am 7th March 2018. (Updated at 10:11am 7th March 2018):

    “This morning (7th March) some of the area sealed off by police has been lifted.
    The Mill pub in the Maltings remains sealed off but the cordon on the pedestrian bridge from Fisherton Street to the shopping area has been removed.
    You can walk now access Market Walk.”
    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2521425/cordon-extended-in-salisbury-as-police-probe-collapsed-russian-spy/

    I think it is safe to deduce from that, that the Skripals did not go that way when they left The Mill… (but some of us knew that already!)

    As if that is not all odd enough, there is this:

    “The pair visited The Mill after their meal at Zizzi. The pub has remained sealed off for a week, but has yet to be examined for contamination by forensic teams.”
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5487305/Health-bosses-tell-500-people-wash-possessions.html
    PUBLISHED: 11:01 BST, 11 March 2018
    .
    .
    The Mill was not examined for a week??!!?? Why?

    1. I am amazed if they found anything at all.

      Let’s assume the door knob theory. The amount needed is supposed to be in milligrams ie something like 0.050 g. 1g is something like 1/3 to 1/10 of a teaspoon or even less, divide that by 1000.

      This is split between Yulia’s and Sergej’s hands. After driving and leaving their car, wiping their hands with table napkins etc., the stuff that did not make it through their skin will have rubbed off.

      To convert a targeted attack into nerve agent terrorism with Hazmat suits all over the place is quite a feat.

      But to find tiny amounts of substance in a crowded restaurant or a pub days later is close to impossible.

      Which leads to the intriguing question where the OPCW took the environment samples. Is there information on that?

      2. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e___1_.pdf

        OPCW says
        “The team was able to conduct on-site samp
        ling of environmental samples under full
        chain of custody at sites identified as po
        ssible hot-spots of residual contamination.
        Samples were returned to the OPCW Labor
        atory for subsequent analysis by OPCW
        designated laboratories. ”
        “The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities. ”
        This was March 19 to March 23
        Frankly, I slept through chemistry at school. But this sounds – well strange.
        How can chemical purity exist
        “the degree to which a substance is undiluted or unmixed with extraneous material, typically expressed as a percentage (%)”
        after two weeks in the environment?

    2. Operation Smoke Screen has kicked into action! What ever
      has happened Mill Pub is the Major Key.

      Rear Car Park cordoned off,Manager questioned eight{8}times.
      It all went down in Mill and surrounding area.
      From information Paul provided yesterday Mill was quiet on 04-03
      and suddenly Press reporting from a National Express Coach Party?

      All supposed witnesses? No it went wrong here in Mill and Police-Press
      covering it all up.

      Release-Show Cctv from Mill Public House{Lots Of Cameras} Let Me
      see accused A&R having a double Vodka at bar before going toilet
      following Mr Skripal and?

      You have No evidence! Only a Great HMG bungle…Can not show that!

      1. I think it was The Mill – but no crime happened there. The Skripals had a drink. Just before 3:30pm they got up and left by the front door – they were not sitting near the kitchen which is where the back door is located. They walked through the fence (to the right of the pub – somebody was waiting to help them with that, because it looks like the gate opens from the inside) and got into a waiting vehicle, which simply drove them away…

        1. Estate cottages and remote shooting lodges are the kind of place where MI5 hide ‘inconvenient’ people, such as Col Pilcher who had threatened to expose the truth about the Hess affair. He was relieved of his duties as commander of the Windsor Guards and was exiled to a remote keeper’s cottage on a Scottish estate, where he died, a virtual recluse, many years later. I also know of other similar cases.

    3. So, Zizzi was closed on Sunday

      No. Sunday was 4 Mar. Your Spire fm references state that Zizzi was closed on 5 Mar by the time Spire reported it 10:56 PM. Spire fm’s report on The Mill pub is dated Tuesday – 6 Mar at 12:06 PM. This is consistent with most other reports — Zizzi closed Monday evening (after the WPD/SDH news conference (it was either at 6:00 or 7:00 PM) and The Mill pub closed on Tuesday morning.

      1. You are correct – I just posted a correction below. It is worse than I initially stated! The cleaners at The Mill got a second chance to clean up all the evidence!

        1. Yes. But not just a second normal clean-up, customers and employees were there Sunday evening and all of Monday, at least sixteen hours of normal business operation after the Skripals had been there)! How many experienced nerve agent poisoning? That would be precisely zero. If we exclude the possibility that DS Bailey stopped there late on Monday for a pint and a look around, but including that such a contact for Bailey would still have been an inexplicable anomaly.

          1. So we either assume the door knob or Skripals being attacked after Zizzi/Mill Pub.
            Or maybe both as getting the name of the poison known seems to have been one of the goals of the assassins. Or the door knob being the fall back option, if the attack in the center of town did not work. Or maybe even including the car handle.
            The door knob with the roof will have been the most protected spot on the outside.
            The whole thing does sound like Litvinenko leaving a trail of polonium through London including into Berezovsky’s office.
            Is there any other poisoning known where the victims leave trails whilst walking through town?

            1. So we either assume the door knob or Skripals being attacked after Zizzi/Mill Pub.

              The door knob isn’t credible. Contact or ingestion — not necessarily an attack — more likely occurred fifteen minutes to an hour before they got to the bench and wherever they were during that period of time.

          2. Marie,
            That is exactly the point. Life carried on as normal because there never was a nerve agent:
            – Nobody in The Mill or Zizzi affected – despite operating normally.
            – No policemen (except Bailey) affected by using the door handle for days (even weeks!) after the event.. and they still claim it had the ‘highest concentrations’ – I’m surprised there was anything left after all the hands and gloves that must have touched that handle!
            – No forensic work in The Mill for a week!
            – No first responders affected.
            – etc.

            It is 100% a lie! There never was a nerve agent! The following people have all lied:
            – HMG including the PM and the Foreign Secretary.
            – The Metropolitan police.
            – the staff at SDH.
            – Govt. lawyers in the High Court… and expert witness perjured themselves!
            – The MSM including Mark Urban in his preposterous Newsnight programme.
            – The OPCW

            Everyone involved, including those who know but stay silent, share the blame – not just for allowing the cover up but for allowing the wilfull muder of Dawn Sturgess. Every nurse and every doctor at SDH shares a part of the blame for her death. They could have prevented it… simply by having the guts to tell the truth.

            1. Somehow I feel this is an unlikely scenario.

              Nick Bailey though certainly is the clue. He went to hospital on Tuesday, March 6.
              First search of Skripal’s home was the evening of March 4.

              1. What is unlikely? Please tell me which of these are not true:

                – Nobody in The Mill or Zizzi affected – despite operating normally.
                – No policemen (except Bailey) affected by using the door handle for days (even weeks!) after the event.. and they still claim it had the ‘highest concentrations’ – I’m surprised there was anything left after all the hands and gloves that must have touched that handle!
                – No forensic work in The Mill for a week!
                – No first responders affected.

                1. The amount of ordinary people who would have to keep their mouth shut.
                  It did not work with Ross Cassidy who seriously questions the timeline given by the police
                  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6147167/Sergei-Skripal-tailed-eve-Novichok-attack-SECOND-spy-team.html
                  Which would let Boshirov and Petrov off the hook.
                  I am surprised noone has told the media to have seen Boshirov and Petrov in Salisbury.
                  They seem to have caused quite an uproar in the London hotel, if the anonymous source quoted is to be believed.
                  But noone seems to have seen them shivering in Salisbury – except the stamp shop camera. Where they came across as tourists.

                  1. The number of people who have been silenced is tiny in relation to 9/11.

                    Why was there not a single ‘accidental’ casualty? Not even the boys feeding ducks who ate bread from Sergei’s hand?

                    Let’s just look at the experience of 1 man – Greg Townsend, the manager at The Mill.

                    Greg Townsend served Sergie his drinks. Presumably took money from Sergei’s hand, or a card. Worked in The Mill until Monday night and was told to leave his flat at 11:50 on Monday evening – note, kicked out of his flat, not sent to hospital for urgent checks!

                    Not only did Greg have no ill effects from such close contact to Sergei, he had no ill effect from continuing to work in The Mill either and neither did nayone else No tables or anything else has been reported destroyed or buried from The Mill. Even Greg’s rabbits were fine.

                    Press photographers were allowed in The Mill before any ‘decontamination’ work was done.

                    On 7 September Greg finally got access to his flat again and posted a picture:

                    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156585429563749&set=a.34317218748&type=3&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBDJHiZO55x4aqzUToY1B_LPqfW7Ch91OFvJot8sImpvjYvo7kNUPkh7nvh117xZTb9f7qCvEKd-1NUXEW1fIvj9gT_P8AWCdEIXUMzfiEPe5dJvx0PH4r56tslqnqi9TRn3Ob9EQ6ytntM02yC4OqPWFgV8Yo18MEJLfWVI1a32iBQ5m3aNjw&__tn__=EEHH-R

                    Has that flat been ‘decontaminated’? It doesn’t look like it to me – yet the place must be a death trap ‘nerve agents’ contaminating everything! Do you really think the police would have left it like that even after a search? The uniforms of the staff in Zizzi were all burned and the table Sergei had sat at was destroyed. As have countless vehicles that Sergei was nowhere near! At The Mill… nothing.

                    It is all lies! Of a type developed by liars.

                    1. Check out this picture. How absurd is it that?

                      One person is in full hazmat gear and the other is protected by … spectacles!

                      This was from the police cordon at the rear of The Mill.

                    4. Hoist by their own petard, rod placed up their own backs then paddled up the creek and chucked their paddles away.

                    5. Well, the World Trade Center obviously was destroyed. Lot’s of people have given information on the how.
                      And we are here in 2018
                      https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/716855/9-11-conspiracy-theories-Twin-Towers-buildings-collapse-US-government
                      “MORE than half of all Americans believe the US Government is hiding information on the September 11 attacks, based on a new survey.”

                      They obviously went into a PR overdrive in Salisbury. That does not mean the basic facts are wrong.

                      Britain does seem to be in some kind of hybrid war with Russia.
                      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/20/gavin-williamson-commits-extra-british-troops-ukraine-stop-russia/
                      “Gavin Williamson commits extra British troops in Ukraine to stop Russia ‘reversing Cold War outcome’ “

                    6. But there is no agreement on the basic facts of 9/11 only a NIST report that many do not believe and ‘facts’ that have been ignored – where is all the ‘plane’ wreckage at The Pentagon; why can’t you see a plane approaching in the CCTV taken at The Pentagon; how does aluminium cut through steel; etc.?

                      I don’t believe there is any agreement on the ‘facts’ of Salisbury – the story is ridiculous. A ‘nerve agent’??!!?? Impossible – nobody died after 4 March.

            2. You are correct, there was no nerve agent on the streets of Salisbury. How can I be sure? Where are the mass casualties? Case closed.

            3. The following people have all lied:

              Not necessarily. Would only need one SDH physician to mistake an opioid overdose/poisoning for an unidentified poisonous substance. One person at the NHS Radiation, Chemical, etc. unit accepting SDH report that it wasn’t an opioid, to suggest alternatives and alternative treatments . (17:00 to 21:00 Sunday) One person at Met CT ringing an alarm as to the possible national security dimension based on the identity of one of the patients and invoking the Litvinenko precedent, ie the substance could be radioactive or a CW. (19:00 Sunday to 6:00 Monday). (Haz-Mat suits and clean up until then were consistent with suspected Fentanyl. The following people have all lied (A Radioactive substance would likely have been ruled out by SDH within a few hours.) Under pressure, and because the actual poison had yet to be determined, SDH issued a Major Incident Declaration (11:00 Monday.)

              In response to that and being cautious, police and firefighters ramped up their protective gear and began a search for suspicious substances that the patients could have come in contact with. Not that they knew exactly where the patients had been on Sunday; so, they also had to attempt to run that down as well. And the patients were likely getting worse and by Tuesday were likely reportedly near death.

              13:00 (approximately) Tuesday:

              Speaking in the Commons on Tuesday, Mr Johnson said: “Honourable members will note the echoes of the death of Alexander Litvinenko in 2006.

              “I say to governments around the world that no attempt to take innocent life on UK soil will go unsanctioned or unpunished.”

              (Johnson likely tipped off by a Met CT supporter.)

              As of Tuesday evening:

              Scientists at Porton Down – the UK’s secret weapons research facility in Wiltshire – are studying the “unknown substance”.

              When did the ‘unknown substance’ become a ‘nerve agent?’ Only required one PD scientist to say, ‘okay it’s a nerve agent.’ iirc it didn’t morph into Novichok until another week later. (A suggestion within HMG from someone that watches too much TV?) And HMG’s choir began singing the same tune.

              Meanwhile WPD and Met CT foot soldiers were ordered to find the Novichok and silence all witnesses and suppress all evidence because Nat-Sec. Technically, they were charged with only identifying potential contaminated sites and surfaces and collecting samples. PD scientists were responsible for the analysis of the samples and Met CT handled the PR. Odds are good that one of those samples came back positive for an organophosphate. Good enough for government work.

              Meanwhile, the patients are improving. (Likely far sooner than publicly announced.) Under the isolated care of that not so good original attending physician (and/or malpractice cohort physicians). (Anyone else note that actual SDH attending physicians of the three patients have never been seen nor heard from?)

              Most of those directly or indirectly involved were repeating and/or acting on what they had been told and had been assured was true. Gary Aitkenhead clearly choked on confirming the Novichok claim. Some cops may have seen something that in their estimation didn’t conform with official pronouncement, but they wouldn’t have been in a position to prove otherwise. Group think is so endemic within the ranks of any institution that few would even recognize how bizarre to impossible the official story was becoming. Once the official story solidified, there would have been few in a position to know it was wrong and fewer still in a position to correct the record.

              Basu knows the story he put out isn’t true; hence and like Aitkenhead, his very careful statement. However, he too is reliant on what he’s been told by subordinates, PD, and SDH and doesn’t know the truth or how far off the mark his accommodating report is. Thus, he’s like Colin Powell falsely testifying to the UN about iraq WMD. Gutless institutional men selling their souls. (Not that most such men or women ever pay an appropriate price for the subservience to TPTB.)

              1. I agree with what you say – it is a ‘chain’ of lies where the opinion of one ‘expert’ gives everyone down the chain some cover. Which is why I like to go back to the start and look at what they were doing on 4 March – there are a lot of clues in that.

                Take a look at this image of the 4 March clean up:
                https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/resources/images/7485910/?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen

                They used sawdust to soak up the vomit on the ground and threw it all away – it is just a yellow waste bag, not an ‘evidence’ bag. No forensic tests of what might have been crucial evidence – yet clearly they were aware it was possibly something very unusual because the person is in FULL hazmat gear.

                The bench itself is also in that image. Why was it ever removed and destroyed?

                There was just too much ‘role playing’ going on and we have had too many lies (big and small) ever since, that it is impossible to have any faith in what we have been, or are being, told.

                1. I think the lighting gives the impression that the substance used is sawdust, but it is more likely to be (based on the training I received) to be Fullers Earth. A part of the course on NBC protections and precautions included instruction on the use of fullers earth to mop up any chemical agent residue following an attack.

                    1. The idea behind the fullers earth (as it was explained to us) is that absorbs the agents and, in effect (it’s not free to wander around the place), neutralizes it.

                      I’m still bothered about the toxicity of these agents. I’m no chemist but I do understand the idea of molar combination. Duncan would be able to make this precise, but my question amounts to whether this statements is or is not valid: a single molecule will bind to a single receptor site, so a certain minimum quantity of agent molecules will be required to bind to a sufficient number of receptor sites to disable an organism. Nations who make weapons grade (what does that mean? it means it can be delivered effectively) chemical agents make tons of the stuff and it is delivery in hundreds of kilogram quantities. So a laboratory made few grams is not going to poison a city!

                    2. I hope that Duncan can answer you because I can’t! My point was simply that the vomit was discarded – if it was a proper investigation, might the vomit have been vital evidence of what was in their stomachs?

    4. Sorry, correction to above! When I said:

      “Zizzi was closed on Sunday but The Mill was not closed until Monday”

      I should have said:

      “Zizzi was closed on Monday but The Mill was not closed until Tuesday”

      Further proof of that can be found in the SJ on Tuesday 6 March:

      “The Mill pub, in the Maltings, has been closed by police and cordons will remain in place indefinitely while investigations are carried out.

      It comes after Zizzi in Castle Street was closed last night.

      Several businesses in the Maltings, which fall within the cordon zone of the original scene, also remain closed.”
      https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/16067620.Second_city_centre_business_investigated_by_police/

    5. Re: The Mill was not examined for a week??!!?? Why?

      Police assumed that the couple on the Market Walk CCTV video was the same couple found on the bench. If so, they would have arrived from Zizzi, not the Mill.

      1. Agreed, that is exactly what the police thought on Monday but on Tuesday the police closed The Mill and on Wednesday everyone knew the CCTV couple was not the Skripals… and they still didn’t bother testing The Mill for novihoax.

  98. I’ll try again.

    Liane

    Do you have a screen shot of the joint police / SDH news conference report on the 5th March where it was stated that it Nerve Agent was known to be used in the incident on th e same day as the incident. The Counter Terrorism Network apparently knew on the 4th that Nerve Agent was involved.
    If you only took a copy and paste do you have the SJ source?

  99. If Dauwalders CCTV was formatted MM/DD/YYYY when installed, unless by chance it was put in 01/01 or 03/03 etc and the mistake not noticed, I am starting to think the timestamp has been altered by someone who is unfamiliar with DD/MM/YYYY UK format.
    Dauwalder Snr and Jnr (unless they are American) would not input the date in that format (unless on one of the 12 days a year when it could be confusion).
    If it was altered to contradict the official timeline – who by and for what purpose? Who leaked it to Jake Wallis Simons?
    Significantly Israel took no action against Russia after Skripal incident. Is that because they know what actually happened?
    In which case I wish they would tell us.

    1. The telemetry of the missiles indicates that it was the French that shot it down not the Israelis….

      “My hat is off to Joachin [sic] Flores for his analysis here. It is long and involved and worth your time to read. I will summarize it here. His thesis? Putin is trying to save Russian/French relations by not naming France as the culprit for the lost plane and the 15 men.

      That Russia noted French missile launches but didn’t say what or who they hit. And before the Russians said anything about the attack the French denied they had any involvement in the attack.

      Instead, Russia went along with the story the U.S. et.al. prepared in advance, which doesn’t fit what facts we know about the situation, that Syrian Air Defenses shot down the IL-20 by mistake.

      Both the French denial and the U.S. statements about Syrian air defenses being the culprit came before anything official came from the Russians.

      This is a classic “preparing the narrative” technique used by the West all the time. Seize the story, plant seeds of doubt and put your opponent into a rhetorical box they can’t wiggle out of with the truth.”

      https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/full-analysis-russian-disinfo-campaign-blames-israel-for-il-20-plane-downing-yet-exonerates-france/

      1. Sorry Patrick – that is a non-sequitor I just posted above! It was meant to be posted somewhere else and I posted here in error! Although it is interesting…

    2. Perhaps not — at least based on the review of this subject that I did last week.

      A review of the date/time stamps:

      (I still find it curious that Met CT only released four video stills with an embedded date/time stamp.)

      Image #1 – at Gatwick exit corridor. Timestamp in the lower left-hand corner:

      02/03/2018
      16:22:43

      Image #2 – same as #1

      Image #3 – at Salisbury train station. Timestamp in upper left-hand corner:

      16:11:27/03/03/18

      Image #5 – Wilton Road. (Shell Station CCTV) Timestamp in upper left-hand corner:

      04-03-18 Sun 11:58:48

      Dauwalders’ CCTV video. As released on DM
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6138541/First-chilling-CCTV-two-Russian-novichok-assassins-Salisbury.html
      it’s only 34 seconds long. The date/time stamp is in the upper right-hand corner. From the earliest still:

      03-04-2018 01-49-08 PM

      SnapFitness – video/freeze-frame
      https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/974625077827424256

      03-04-2018 Sun 15:47:45

      1. Add one more — the “nearby restaurant”

        https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/poisoned-russian-spy-daughter-seen-12156418

        date/time stamp nearly centered at the bottom of the freeze frame

        03/04/2018 16:08:04

        My conclusion is that UK official and semi-official CCTV recordings follow the time/date European standard – day/month/year. Small business CCTVs (at least in Salisbury) are set with the US style month/day/year. As a very large Anglo-Dutch company, not odd that its CCTV recordings (Image #5) are set with day/month/year.

        1. Marie – as I said before nobody in the UK uses month/day/year.
          The only logical conclusion is straight-out-of the-box they are configured that way and either cannot be changed or laziness sets in and they are not changed.
          Of course the other possibility is the Snap, Dauwalders and café have all been faked by US intelligence services for some bizarre reason.

          1. “nobody?” I’m not going to guess or research why these three shops used the US date style for their CCTV recordings. As the Snap and cafe recordings surfaced quickly in the public domain from the time of the incident, Met CT altering them doesn’t seem plausible and if they could do that so easily, why wouldn’t they have changed Dauwalders to fit with their time line?

            One other Salisbury shop CCTV display
            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1721590/Video-Dawn-Sturgess-captured-CCTV-hours-Novichok-poisoning.html
            is year-month-day, backwards US style.

    3. @Patrick – I sent a question to Mr. Simons on his personal website regarding the accuracy of the store timestamp. That was over a week ago and I haven’t received a reply.

  100. By the way, are we sure the two guys Russia presented are the two on CCTV?

    RT said they would let themselves filmed just from a certain angle in Margarita Simonyan’s office. They seem to have switched beards to say the least.

    1. I am asking because of this news item;
      https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/184608-180921-suspected-russian-skripal-poisoner-visited-israel-using-spy-name-report

      “In July 11 2016, according to the website, Petrov crossed into Kazakhstan by land, listing his final destination as Beijing.

      However the next occasion the passport is used to depart from Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv on July 25, in order to catch a flight to Moscow.

      The information suggests that the suspected agent used a different passport to arrive in Israel.”

      Which would have been an Israeli passport?

      1. http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=59236

        Anidea – further down the rabbit hole. After my last post I looked who wrote the original Dauwalders article in DM. It was Jake Simons Wallis a pro-Israeli journalist/author. He sued Craig Murray in 2017.
        And of course Anna Shapiro says she is Israeli.
        If the Dauwalders timestamp was altered (US date format) or genuinely contradicts Met timeline is somebody sending a message to someone else.

        1. If we assume it is assassination craft not to travel from your own country to the country of a hit, and if we accept the metropolitan police assessment that Petrov and Boshirov were involved in the Skripal case, Petrov and Boshirov were not Russian agents.
          Russia seemingly validating that Petrov and Boshirov exist and claiming they are tourists may be Russian humour.
          The Steele Dossier explosive allegations explained
          http://theweek.com/articles/750717/steele-dossiers-explosive-allegations-explained

          https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/why-the-cambridge-analytica-scandal-could-be-much-more-serious-than-you-think/27/03/

          “A source close to Skripal has said he was investigating the collusion between the Internet Research Agency, AIQ, Cambridge Analytica and its parent company, SCL.
          None of this has been mentioned in the largely impotent showboating over Russian linked deaths in the UK.

          At no point has Boris Johnson, who was personally connected to SCL through Vote Leave and whose Party received £860,000 in donations from Russian oligarchs, connected the attempted murders in Salisbury to what it was that Skripal was investigating.”

          3. “A source close to Skripal has said he was investigating the collusion between the Internet Research Agency, AIQ, Cambridge Analytica and its parent company, SCL. …

            Nothing in Skripal’s bio — military-GRU->Moscow civil employee — indicates that he had the skill set to investigate anything anywhere. He passed GRU employee lists for cash and MI6 set up a wine export/import cover business in Spain for the hand offs. Add in that his English wouldn’t even be good enough.

            1. I have been wondering about that. There are several sources saying he did “cybersecurity”.
              “The spy was stationed in Malta in 1985 after reaching the rank of Colonel in Soviet Intelligence and that he adopted the cover of the Cultural and Sports Attache within the Soviet Embassy in Malta. ”
              https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/world/85118/russian_spy_skripal_was_deliberately_poisoned_with_nerve_agent
              He became a double spy in the 1990’s, retired in 1999, worked for the Foreign Ministry until 2002, then in business, and was uncovered in 2003. He came to Britain in 2010.
              I suppose that training in Russian intelligence was pretty good (Soviet/Russian STEM-Training has always been good
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internet_during_the_Cold_War
              “However, as early as the mid 1980s, Soviet intelligence had access to Western computer networks”
              He might be extremely well qualified to do this kind of stuff.

              1. How credible is Malta Today — seems to be alone in reporting Skripal in Malta in 1985. It’s mostly accepted that his GRU position came along in the late 1980s or 1990. His first foreign assignment was in Malta, no earlier than 1990, then he was posted to Spain in 1994, returned to Moscow in 1996, and retired in 1999. Secured a local government position after that, but not reported if he still held that position when he was arrested 12/04.

                If he had even halfway decent cybersecurity skills, it wouldn’t have been difficult for him to get a job in the UK. He didn’t get one.

                I’m not following the trail of breadcrumbs suggesting that Skripal was a super-spy and has been in the game since his release. Those crumbs were tossed out for those that doubted the Russia/Putin done did it as long delayed retribution.

      2. @ anidea,

        The one thing you don’t want in your passport [if you’re planning on seeing the wider world], is an Israeli stamp, as it closes quite a few doors. Well, for us ordinary citizens it does.

          1. @ anidea,

            Back in the day it was a problem, people even got beheaded because of it, but, obviously, no more. I stand corrected

          1. That was what was reported but the US Embassy in Moscow announced (the same day) that they had no record that she had ever worked there.

                1. Now you have lost me. Two hours ago you suggested that it was unlikley that: HMG, SDH, OPCW etc. were lying about Salisbury – when I believe there is lots of evidence to the contrary and now you suggest that the US Embassy is lying about whether Yulia worked there, when, as far as I can see, there is no evidence that she did.

    2. I wouldn’t disagree with you there as the beard guy looks correct but the man on the right may not be the same man as in the picture shown.

      One thing I think is true is that the original mugshots were of younger people.

      Maybe ten years or more younger.

  101. May have been a slip up but BBC Radio 4 news at 8 a.m.said 4 people had been in contact with novichok. Namechecked S, Y and D. So Charlie or DSB for fourth?

    Also Anna Shapiro insisting it wasn’t a hoax.
    Am I too conspiratorial thinking Alex and Anna might have been Market Walk couple?
    I think Prezzo was a way of drawing attention to themselves. If they were the BZ sprayers they may be targets to tidy things up.

    Also could we all contact Daily Mail asking if they have the whole day of CCTV from Dauwalders. To see if A&R appear more than once or calibrate dawn/dusk to get the time right.

    1. Alex-Anna Mystery Couple-Market Walk.

      That’s one for Scotland Yard Super Recogniser Team!

      From over 5000hrs of cctv footage all we have got is A&R wandering
      around Salisbury and Railway Stations. Not forgetting those two
      Gatwick Images?

      In sure if Met has any real conclusive footage of alleged poisoning it
      would have been released long before now.
      This is not the case because they have nothing. No actual proof that
      A&R are Guilty as accused by HMG.

      What Met do have is footage that will blow this hole case out into the
      open and prove this alleged poisoning was not a Russian attack but
      one organised-bungled by HMG Security Services.

      They have told so many lies they can not go back now.

  102. I remember reading a comment from another reader of the blog stating that the helicopter used on the day of the poisoning, after having landed near where the Skripals were found, then took off and surprisingly headed not to the hospital directly but rather off in a north-westerly direction to land about 80kms away at a remote farmhouse belonging to a wealthy couple who are close friends of the ex-head of MI5. (or is it 6 ?).

    While that could be a mere coincidence, that seems unlikely in the context of the probable involvement at some level of the UK “Deep State” in this nefarious affair. For example, was Christopher Steele using Skripal in some capacity linked to the dossier he produced for Fusion GPS (Nellie Ohr) that then became the key material used for the US DoJ to successfully request a FISA warrant to investigate Trump ?

    If that connection existed, then a priori, Skripal’s life was probably at risk. And still is, assuming he is alive. Which is why, probably he is in confinement and being “protected” by a state-sponsored entity somewhere.

    The suddenly agitated state of Skripal at the restaurant on the day of the attack, is suggestive of the possibility that he was aware of danger, and that that danger was sourced from a communication to his phone from a party with knowledge of his number. On the principle that one keeps your friends close but your enemies closer, the spy-trained Skripal probably would be cognisant of the risks surrounding his involvement in the Steele dossier preparation.

    Maybe the two Russians known to have been in Salisbury that day, were not there to kill Skripal. Their apparently casual and unfurtive behaviour indicates this. However their presence means that they did have a role to play, and the analysis of the timing of their movements that day reveals that they had too the opportunity to at least communicate – and perhaps also briefly meet – with Skripal and perhaps provide and/or receive a face to face (unrecorded) verbal message ?

    1. @ Greg Butcher,

      Q: The suddenly agitated state of Skripal at the restaurant on the day of the attack, is suggestive of the possibility that he was aware of danger, and that that danger was sourced from a communication to his phone from a party with knowledge of his number.

      R: Of course, I have no clue why Sergei became agitated [if at all], but if someone targeted him would he be saver inside a pub or restaurant or outside on a bench?

    2. Hi Greg. As far as we know G-WLTS was on the ground at Distillery Farm, Minety when the call came in to attend Skripals.
      So it went Devizes – Minety – flew back over Devizes – Salisbury.

      May be police should look at Cotes Brasserie and see if the Russians went in there.

      1. It didn’t fly back over Devizes. It headed west, did a loop at Hullavington and slowly made its way to Sainsbury’s car park.

  103. So why did HMG send a 9 million pound VIP helicopter down to Bournemouth to pick up a loyal Tory backbencher, ex 9 year army man and former journalist and take him to Porton Down at 1 pm, the day following the Skripal fiasco?

    1. Is he by any chance a relative (descendant perhaps?) of Hugo Drax ?

      Is there a rocket silo located on his estate ??

      Crucial questions.

      1. Funny you should say that Cascadian,

        “Admiral the Hon. Sir Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax was a friend of James Bond novelist Ian Fleming, who named the character Sir Hugo Drax as a tribute. … Their son is Henry Walter Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax, is the father of Richard Drax, Conservative MP for South Dorset”
        Wikipedia

        1. “as a tribute”

          Or perhaps a warning, put in the most subtle of terms, about what lurks beneath.

          It’s the ripples, look for the ripples, you’ll never see the fin…

  105. Found it. GZ100 probably flew to millionaire Tory MP Richard Drax’s estate , Charborough Park and took him to Porton Down.

    Charborough Park is a stately home set in 7,000 acres of grounds near Blandford in Dorset.

    He could definitely be a candidate to be part of ‘The Swamp’.

    Richard Drax, is a Conservative politician and a former British Army officer and journalist.

    His full name is Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax

    Drax lives in his family’s ancestral seat, Charborough House – a Grade 1 Listed Manor House in rural Dorset. He holds the lordship of the manor of Longburton.

    In 2013, he attracted controversy after he developed a 174 acre solar farm on his estate, in the face of opposition from several hundred local residents. He faced accusations of hypocrisy after he had campaigned against renewable energy elsewhere.

    In January 2016, Drax was one of 72 MPs who voted down an amendment in Parliament on rental homes being “fit for human habitation” who were themselves landlords who derived an income from a property

    More to come…

    2. Highly likely, Denise. I’ve just studied the map and the helicopter could well have landed there. I think there was probably enough room on his modest lawn ! The creep’s name alone tells me enough about his credentials. Who do these swamp-creatures think they are ? I noticed that apart from the title of his statement, the only text that was both underlined and in bold font was:

      “Jeremy Corbyn failed to condemn the culpability of the Russian state for this unlawful use of force and failed to back the action we are taking in response”.

      What fools vote these hypocritical lying idiots into power ? What a sick country Britain is – where money and class still talk louder than democracy !

      1. Check out the odious Oliver Letwin, Conservative MP Shaftesbury on Wikipedia and check out the publications:

        Oliver Letwin and John Redwood. (1988) Britain’s Biggest Enterprise – ideas for radical reform of the NHS
        Oliver Letwin (1988) Privatising the World: A Study of International Privatisation in Theory and Practice

        Considering the amount of poverty there is in Shaftesbury, it’s either the don’t bother voting or they don’t know what they’re voting for.

        1. For some reason I can’t post a link, but search for this in the Dorset Echo – standard neocon stuff: “Both South Dorset MP Richard Drax and his West Dorset counterpart Sir Oliver Letwin are behind the action, which Prime Minister Theresa May said should act as a warning to Russia over its use of chemical weapons.”

  106. On the way down to the Bournemouth area on March 5th, VIP helicopter GZ100s transponder pings six times from a position north east of Ringwood at 13:23 and finally pings at a point north west of Corfe Mullen at 13:28, five minutes flying time.

    But only one ping from Corfe Mullen at 13:28, going back up north east to a point north of Ibsley at 13:37

    So the transponder was switched off from 13:28 to 13:37 for nine minutes

    Ringwood to Corfe Mullin is about the same distance as Corfu Mullin to Ringwood about 12 miles

    It took five minutes from Ringwwod to Corfe Mullen, but nine minutes from Corfe Mullin to Ibsley, so four minutes is missing. One minute there, one minute back amd two minutes to load, means the helicopter landed somewhere 1 or 2 miles on from where they turned off the transponder at 13:28

    Using the ‘helicopters mostly fly in straight lines’ principal, that would probably be in an area bounded by Lynchet Matravers, Morden, Almer, Sturminster
    Marshal and Corfe Mullen?

    1. Sorry I need my own personal editor. lol

      Should read: Ringwood to Corfe Mullin is about the same distance as Corfu Mullin to Ibsley about 12 miles

      1. Also now looking at how short the time frame is in Bournemouth, it looks like GZ100 collected someone from the Corfe Mullen area and took them to Porton Down.

  107. Hi Mileila, Thank you, I can see now, that Paul has provided the Flight-data map of GZ100 that day, that it didnt land at Northwood. It only flew over Northwood. I couldnt tell that from my previous map.

    As GZ100 is only used for VIPs. Northwood is only six miles away? GZ100 often goes to the Whitehall area but it didnt on the day.

    So I’m thinking someone very important from Northwood needed to talk to someone in the Bournemouth area and then talk to someone at Porton Down urgently. Things needed to be made very clear that couldn’t be said over the phone?

    Yulia and/or Sergei might be being hidden on a property somewhere west of Bournemouth?

    Hi Anonymous -1, more on the possible in Bournemouth location in a minute

    1. “Yulia and/or Sergei might be being hidden on a property somewhere west of Bournemouth?”

      Exactly what I thought, Denise, after I read your post naming Mr Ernie Drax-Ernle-Plunkett-Grosvenor, or whatever his name is ! The Grosvenor bit suggests a family connection to the Dukes of Westminster, the wealthiest of all the aristocracy.

      By the way, talking of ‘privilege’, here’s a photo of the school attended by Chris Steele :

      https://www.bellenglish.com/sites/default/files/public/styles/uncropped_medium/public/uploads/Wellington-school.jpg?itok=U2ry1K_N

      One of the ‘lesser’ public schools. It just shows that one can achieve success in the world from humble beginnings. It proves that today you don’t necessarily have to be an old Etonian.

      “Wellington College was granted its royal charter in 1853 as the Royal and Religious Foundation of The Wellington College, and was opened in 1859. Its first Master was Edward White Benson, later Archbishop of Canterbury [no less]. The college’s Visitor is The Queen” [no less].

      “Originally, the school supported children of deceased officers who had held commissions in the Army [a charity school?]. In 1952 a Supplementary Royal Charter extended the privilege of eligibility to the orphan children of deceased officers of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines and Royal Air Force” [how noble of them].

      Sadly, standards have slipped more recently :

      “A recent change early in 2006 extended the privilege to the orphan children of deceased servicemen or servicewomen of Her Majesty’s Armed Forces IRRESPECTIVE OF RANK…” [my emphasis]

      The school now even accepts girls !

      For those naïve folk who like to believe that Britain is run democratically, that laws treat us all equally, that government is accountable, that the police are there to serve us, etc., it would be wise to examine where the true power lies – before it’s too late.

    2. I live very near but have friends who live in Corfe Mullen and we can find it easily. There are options after that such as Land Registry, talking to neighbours, staking the place out and very useful contacts who might be able to help for a couple of pints.

    1. Jack,

      I assume you mean the Dauwalders footage. It was published by the Daily Mail a few days after the Met came out with its timeline.

      Rob

      1. Oh, dear, looks like we may need a timeline of media events concerning the two boys if Patrick Mahony is correct in the implication that the original DM’s author funnels Israeli intelligence information. The possibility he raises by that implication and his reference to yet another potentially altered date-/time-stamp and the author’s suit against Craig Murray is that in the wake of the Met’s release and after Craig Murray pointed out the “exact same second at Gatwick” problem, Israeli intelligence, which has been steadily working to unseat Assad in Syria, may have decided to help the U.K. intelligence agencies’ drive to implicate Russia by making it possible for those of us trying to follow this matter closely to find that the two boys were able to communicate with Sergei because of proximity. In recent weeks, here in the U.S., I’ve noticed that where previously Assad was held solely responsible for the use of CW in Syria, more articles have been appearing which say, “Russia and Syria,” and sometimes just “Russia” – and that would be where Sergei and Yulia’s March misfortune fits more and more snugly as time passes and the general public forgets the details involved in both Salisbury and Syria, absorbing the basic message that, “Russia and Syria use CW on anyone and everyone.”

  109. To Miheila

    “The GZ100 flight on 5th March.
    It didn’t land at Bournemouth (Hurn) airport as I thought I would but flew further west, landing in a wooded, rural area just West of Corfe Mullen. It then headed off to Porton Down, before returning to Northolt.”

    Do you have any info on where it landed in Corfe Mullen, anything to locate the area. It must be a private dwelling, but if we can locate it, we can find out who lives there.

    1. Anon-1. I think Denise has hit the target !

      A few questions arisng from this latest revelation :

      1. Was Drax flown to Porton Down on 5th March ?
      2. Had the Skripals (or just one of them) been taken to Charborough on 4th, and on 5th flown to PD, and then on to London, after a meeting there ?
      3. Were any other VIPs also in that helicopter, picked up from London and flown to PD ?
      4. Were the Skripals (or just one) flown from PD to London ?
      5. If the Skripals were on that helicopter, were they left in London, or taken back to Charborough at a later date ?
      6. Have they been separated – one in London and one at Charborough ?

  110. Tweet from Trump within the last half hour:

    “I met with the DOJ concerning the declassification of various UNREDACTED documents. They agreed to release them but stated that so doing may have a perceived negative impact on the Russia probe. Also, key Allies’ called to ask not to release.”
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1043146627576258561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    ‘Key allies’ don’t want it released? Why ever not? What has Treasonous May got to hide?

    Hahahahahahaha, “key allies”, hahahahahahaha!!!!

      1. It certainly would be. Something I am wondering though: the FISC acts on ‘top secret’ documents prepared by the FBI and the FISA warrant is also a ‘top secret’ document – how does HMG know what is in ‘top secret’ US documents?

    2. So Trump confirms the UK scam to destroy his family and presidency in one tweet: “key allies called to ask not to release”. The master of indiscretion, perhaps the master of payback?

      So the allies are more important than the USA citizens and USA rule of law and the USA elections in the worlds greatest democracy! Hahahahahaha.

      What a travesty. For that alone the demoncrats should be seeking impeachment but of course they are fully supporting the scam in the ‘hate russia’ hoax.

  111. Someone said about discovery in criminal cases. I wonder what the legal position re EAWs is? Can they be challenged by the accused in absentia?
    If they can crowd-funding could pay for legal action that might flush some info out.

    1. “3) No political involvement
      Decisions are made by judicial authorities alone, with no political considerations involved.” – europa-justice eaw page

      Could that be a grounds for a legal challenge as May, Boris etc were declaring immediately it was “Russia”.

  112. Trump to address Skripal poisoning case at UN Security Council meeting
    ——————————————-

    […] The UN Security Council session on the non-proliferation of chemical and nuclear weapons chaired by US President Trump is scheduled to be held on September 26.

    “He [President Trump] is not going to talk about Iran only, he is going to talk about the chemical weapons issue that we had to work on this month alone to keep from happening in Idlib, in Syria,” she stated. “He is going to talk about North Korea and what we are dealing with there and with the fact that we had to take on the Russian incident in the UK with the Skripals.”

    http://tass.com/world/1022543

  113. I guess we can all rule out the alleged Door Knob theory..
    Mill was last place visited..
    Operation went wrong……
    Doubles{Not Very Convincing Used} near-at bench..
    Helicopter used for something on afternoon 04-03 in alleged incident..
    Drug misuse-Novichok-a very quick accusation…..

    DS Bailey…The thorn in the side….

    We can expect a Russian Agent{Ex} to disappear..It happens.
    Serving Police Officer…No.

    Russian Agents Daughter…At same time..Yes if involved in what ever..

    What is what ever…..

    Mr Christopher Steele-Pablo Miller…Implicated..Yes..

    HMG-MI5-6..Yes…

    D Notice..Why..No Cctv..Why…….

    On your-my assumptions this crime has been manufactured to
    discredit Russia and get backing from Europe over failings with
    your Parliament-Leader-Brexit-Winrush…

  114. There was a statement read out on behalf of DS Nick Bailey when he left hospital. I haven’t heard anything about him since, except press reports that his house would be bought by HMG.
    Maybe I missed something, but is he on sick leave or back on duty ?

      1. But he has family and friends and workplace associates (not just officers but civilian staff) who can shed some light. The MET Black Hole can’t go on forever. This should be easy to discover in a small place like Salisbury. Any journalists interested ?

    2. David,

      As Liane points out, DSB is gone.
      I have mentioned this before, so apologies to the long haul readers among the Blogmirers.

      DSB, his wife and children are gone. DISAPPEARED.
      We the UK tax payers, are buying his house, car and possessions.
      His wife’s friends, his children’s social circle, school pals, life structure and routine is all gone.

      He and his family will be in a new place, starting again.
      No doubt some secret way of communicating with their remaining family members.
      Grandparents who may not see grandchildren, son and daughter again.
      Completely unacceptable.

      Bailey is described by the force as a hero.
      I personally do think that rummaging through a old age pensioner’s jacket, and then performing an illegal search is heroic behavior, but the consequences for Bailey were severe.

      I challenge anyone reading the Blog to name another British hero who has been treated this way?
      Is Bailey under threat from someone or group?
      Charlie is out an about, why not Nick Bailey?

      1. Its a very good point. Usually police heroes have special medals pinned on them, and appear in the press flanked by their beaming superior officers. None of that for DSB, he’s been memory holed. Yet there is no (official) reason for him to have to disappear. He’s just a provincial DS who happens to have had to deal with a matter of international geopolitical importance, beyond that he’s not in any danger, he wasn’t in any way targeted in the ‘attack’, his being poisoned was entirely accidental.

        I can see two reasons why he would have to disappear: firstly he knows too much about what really went down that afternoon, and can’t be allowed continue in his old life and job, needs to be put in a controlled environment where the intelligence agencies can keep tabs on him, and secondly he’s done something spectacularly wrong in the course of his actions on the 4th March, but he can’t publicly be sanctioned because that would entail more scrutiny of what the authorities don’t want scrutinised. And possibly a mixture of the two of course.

        Any other reasons that spring to mind as why the authorities would need to disappear DSB?

          1. According to the narrative he is, thats what you have to judge the behaviour by. He may well be something else, which would explain why he’s disappeared, but we are looking for the inconsistencies in the official narrative here. If (big IF) DSB is just a provincial copper doing his duty, why is it necessary for him to vanish? He’s in no danger from anyone. Why isn’t he back out on the mean streets of Salisbury reassuring the locals about their safety?

      2. Thanks Duncan, Liane

        The sort of behaviour you would expect of a tyrannical State. Not Great Britain.
        Bad enough that Sergei and Yulia are “disappeared”
        Western powers edging towards another Middle East war using whipped up Russophobia.

        So my clarion call to mainstream journalists remains.
        This is of vital public interest. Be fearless.
        You might even make a name for yourself.

        1. David,

          We are on the same page here.
          I cannot think why any “investigative journalist” would not want to chase this story down.
          I can see security reasons, (alleged) why the “why” part of the story is not of interest, but the “how” and the consequences would be a real scoop,
          I occasionally watch the re-runs of All the Presidents Men.
          Just like Watergate, it will not be the break in, it is the cover up, and the big lie, that becomes the story.
          Where are the journalists?

                1. Not exactly and for very different reasons for Hersh and Bartlett. Will leave it at that because an explanation would be much too long and OT for this thread.

                  1. It was rhetorical. Merely pointing out that you will not be employed by a media outlet with a wide “mass” audience if you do not conform your reporting to the narrative desired by your editor’s cocktail party acquaintances, your firm’s advertisers or, in these post-9/11 days, those who are in charge of “national security” who will prosecute if need be.

                    1. Oh, and the EU “copyright” legislation, proposed also in the U.S., will make linking to mass media articles cost-prohibitive for small web sites on purpose. Meanwhile, in the U.S., the threatof government regulation has prompted social media sites to censor users from the infamous Alex Jones on the fringe-right to Think Progress which is almost-mainstream Left. And also here in the States, Ashleigh Banfield, Chris Hedges, Ed Schultz and others were banished from mass media because they would not self-censor.

        2. Can anyone demand freedom for Yulia Skripal?

          In her Reuters-recorded statement of 23 May, Yulia said clearly that she planned to return to Russia. In her phone call of 3 July, recorded by Viktoria, Yulia sounded anxious to go back home.

          Free Yulia Skripal!

      3. Ladies and Gentlemen
        I wish to state I have no sympathy for DS Bailey.Wife,Children,House,Friends.
        He chose his path and put it all at great risk.

        He lost in a endeavour to do good and blew it.

        Come forward and tell and I may have respect .

        Vanish and You lose all credibility.

        DS Bailey deeply involved and if he had any conscience
        he would come and put record straight.
        Saving Taxpayers an awful lot of money after waste on
        this alleged poisoning.

        1. Does he have the chance to come forward ?
          What sort of pressure may have been brought to bear to ensure his silence ? (maybe threats to family)
          Is he even a free man ?
          This becomes a story in its own right.

          I’m almost inclined to ask my MP for a question in the HOC. Not sure how the question could be framed to get a truthful response as I’m pretty sure it would be batted away. Sad state of affairs when Parliament becomes a liar. Welcome to Great Britain in 2018.

      4. Is Bailey under threat from someone or group?

        Possibly and one of them took advantage of an opportunity to smear an organophosphate on something that DS Bailey was sure to touch and/or smell.

        Check out the story on the prior WPD chief constable and Bailey also worked on that investigation under that chief constable.

      5. British ‘heroes’ like Bailey that know too much and are deemed unreliable are “Dr David Kelly’d” in the forest somewhere and grieving loved ones insist on privacy.

        This story is mighty weird and I still believe the Bailey element is key in this story.

        How did he get a dose of novihoax that was so minute?, where was he in the last 60 minutes of the story line?, what was he doing over the next 48 hours?, what was he doing in the week before?, is there any cctv available of Sergei or Bailey prior to Yulia’s arrival?, Sergei was a regular at the Mill pub, alone?

    4. The door knob theory might be ok. But then it was not really a “military grade nerve agent”

      The stuff is supposed to work in Milligrams.
      https://www.opcw.org/about-chemical-weapons/types-of-chemical-agent/nerve-agents/
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/world/europe/opcw-skripal-attack.html
      1 mg = 0.001g

      How you can spread this amount thin on a door knob is anybody’s guess. But in the other known instance of Novichok poisoning – the banker Kivelidi – it was smeared on a phone and managed to kill two people that way – the banker and his secretary
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/23/nerve-agent-was-used-in-1995-claims-former-soviet-scientist
      The Kivelidi case suggests it might have been used by mafia. And Russian mafia is the most likely culprit after all.
      As long as Britain does not cooperate with Russia the Russian mafia is alive and well.

  115. Tom said earlier : „The police didn’t miss the Dauwalders footage. I contacted Dauwalders and the son informed me that the police had retrieved the footage during March. Nothing remarkable about such CCTV displaying inaccurate times.“

    Tom, you did not answer the question if the Dauwalder CCTV had the correct time. It would be very important to know that.
    For example, if the difference were 3 minutes (1:46 instead of 1:49), then R & B would have been able to reach the train station, but a meeting with the Skripals would be difficult.

    If we accuse the MET of giving the wrong time at the train station (1:50), the time stamp at Dauwalder´s has to be 100% correct.

    Tom, could you ask Mr. Dauwalder if they have R&B on CCTV too, when they passed the shop between 1:05 and 1:08 ?

    It´s very important to know that the police had retrieved the footage during March. Thank you very much for this information, Tom.
    For some reason the MET seems to be anxious not to show the suspects as tourists.

    1. What I would really like to see is Dauwalders cctv from all the time R & B were in Salisbury, Saturday and Sunday.
      The screen view is of both sides of the street outside the shop, so you would think that you could see how many times R & B passed the shop and when. It may show nothing except for this one event, but it would be nice to know for sure.

  116. After the passport story has been debunked, here is the latest cracker from Bellingcat:

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2018/09/20/skripal-suspects-confirmed-gru-operatives-prior-european-operations-disclosed/

    “Netherlands Arrests?

    A source in a Western European law-enforcement agency informed Bellingcat that Petrov and Boshirov were arrested on the territory of the Netherlands. No information was provided as to the time and context of such arrests. European media have previously reported arrests and deportation of two unidentified Russian spies on Dutch soil; leaked police information linked the arrests with attempts by the two to smuggle hacking equipment to Switzerland, with the goal to infiltrate the Spiez laboratory. The Spiez lab worked on investigating the chemical attacks in Syria, and later on determining the poisoning agent in the Skripal case.

    Even though the media outlets that broke this story reported that the incident took place in the spring of 2018, they acknowledged that the exact time was unknown. Bellingcat and the Insider will continue to investigate whether the hypothetical arrest of “Petrov” and “Boshirov” on Dutch soil did take place as reported, and if so, whether such arrest was linked to the reported arrests of two spies in the Netherlands.”

    1. Bellingcat state that R&A are GRU (s.b. GU) operatives and they have proof of that. So why is The Met so completely useless? Why was Basu not able to confirm that The Met had similar proof after 6 months of police investigations? How much did that cost??

      It was so easy that it only took Bellingcat a few days to confirm it all, complete with ‘leaked’ documents, images, the lot! 100% proof!! So WTF has The Met been doing? Too many ‘hate crimes’ to investigate?

      What is the point of The Met when others can do a better job faster and cheaper?

      2. What is the point of The Met when others can do a better job faster and cheaper?

        An argument to give the police more license to make up crap that fits with whatever they and/or HMG wants the public to believe? (Not as if, at least in the US, the police don’t already make up too much crap, most often to cover-up their incompetence and/or criminal activities.)

        While holding government officials accountable for their distortions, lies, etc. is much too weak, apparently no authority exists to hold Bellincrap accountable for the steaming pile of offal it regularly disseminates about important international events/relations.

        1. Marie, ‘Peak Skripal’ saw over a thousand police and others working on this case and what did the UK tax payer get for his £s? Lies! Lies and yet more lies. What is the point? If the police are not going to be honest, then they are the enemy of the people who pay their salaries.

          The self-inflicted damage done to the police farce is immense.

          The simple fact that the UK govt has had to use Bellingcat tells us all we need to know – they cannot prove these 2 are GU and are willing to pay someone else to lie – and they are hoping the public will buy the lie!

          Completely disgraceful.

          1. Completely disgraceful.

            Absolutely!

            Does not one of those 1,000 police officers have any sense of shame? Taking orders to find a Russian to pin a concocted crime on? That would be an illegal order and some seventy years ago it was widely accepted that those that follow illegal orders are equally culpable for the crime.

            OTOH – given the pathetic low rate of successful police investigations of actual crimes, perhaps the Skripal assignment was welcomed as time off from the real work they’re supposed to be doing.

            1. Imagine being an honest cop working on this job. Knowing that doing your job well and finding the truth will be a career limiting event – soul destroying. The truth has to be buried.

            2. MI5/6 do not share their information with the police or only with selected police leaders. The police cannot be informed, this would not be possible and a security risk. Secret service employees have a much stronger obligation to keep secrets than ordinary police officers. That is why I think the police are trying to clear up what they are allowed to do, but don’t know much else.

    2. The main source of the „Spiez spies“ story is the Swiss Tageranzeiger.
      I translate from the article :
      „The Federal Intelligence Service (NDB) confirms on request that the Swiss authorities are aware of “the case of the Russian spies who were discovered in the Hague and then taken away”. NDB communications chief Isabelle Graber also writes: “The NDB has actively participated in this operation, together with its Dutch and British partners.” This has contributed to the “prevention of illegal actions against a critical Swiss infrastructure”.
      Researchers refer to the Spiez laboratory as meaning.”
      https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama/russische-spione-auf-dem-weg-ins-berner-oberland-verhaftet/story/27257777

      So, the British partners were involved in the action !
      The only R&A trip to Europe that took place in 2018 was the flight to Geneva in January and February 2018.
      That would mean (if R&A were the two „Spiez spies“) they drove with the espionage equipment from Geneva to the Hague and were on their way back to Geneva.
      Distance Geneva – Spiez is 200km.
      This is UTTER NONSENSE !

      If it were really R&A (traveling on the same passports than to London later) and they were identified as spies – why on earth the British embassy gave them visas for the UK ?
      This is UTTER NONSENSE !

      Why would Russia send two GRU agents, who were just unmasked as spies, on a deadly mission to the UK ?

      So again smoke and mirrors from the Bellingcrap lie factory.

      1. Of course it is nonsense, like the passport crap. No police professional would come up with anything like that. But maybe they thought “if Bellingcat was good enough for the JIT in the MH17 case, let’s give it a try. If they produce nonsense, we just don’t buy it”. Well, the Dutch
        prosecutor bought it.

        By the way:

        “Ukraine Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs and European Integration Olena Zerkal told that in September during a United Nations meeting an announcement will be made about the start of the MH17 trial, Ukraine media reports.

        The 73rd session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 73) will open on 18 September 2018. The first day of the high-level General Debate will be Tuesday, 25 September 2018, and is scheduled to last for nine working days.”

        Looking forward to it.

        1. Zee Piers, thank you for the link.

          Amidst all the rampant speculation, this alleged spy story appears to be a far more straightforward incident of the Dutch government being very accommodating of HMG.

          The incident in The Hague was not made public at the time. However, prime minister Mark Rutte said on March 26 in a reaction to the Salisbury attack, that the government had decided to expell ‘two Russian intelligence agents working at the Russian embassy’.

          Absent any disclosure as to when this alleged incident occurred, the Dutch government in September 2018 rewrites the story on March 26 expulsion of two Russian embassy employees. How can it be that these two Russian embassy employees were detained prior to 26 March and no news of this surfaced in either the Dutch or Russian media and the Russia government said nothing publicly about this detention?

          Sources around the investigation told the papers the two, who are thought to work for the Russian intelligence srvice GROe, had equipment in their possession which would allow them to break into the computer system of the laboratory.

          The duo are not the men who go by the names of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov and who have been identified by the British government as Skripal’s attackers and GROe members.

          What’s GROe? Another acronym of GU (that HMG persists in calling GRU)? “thought to work for,” a variation of “believed to,” which means little to no evidence but it’s the story we want the public to buy.

          The two men were preparing to travel to the Spiez lab in Switzerland, the papers say. At the time the lab was analysing data related to the poison gas attacks by the Syrian regime as well as the nerve agent attack on Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury last March.

          Perhaps they were trying to do a public service by exposing western bought and paid for falsified reports? (That assumes that there’s anything at all to the story and it’s nothing other than Spiez trying to figure out who passed portions of its Skripal report to Lavrov. Portions that were not intended to be shared with the public or the target nation.

  117. The Skripals were not sitting near the kitchen, they were just to the right of the entrance:

    “As further details of Col Skripal’s movements emerged, a source close to Greg Townsend, manager of The Mill, revealed that he served the Russians last Sunday afternoon and had since been treated like a “terror suspect”, interviewed by police up to eight times last week.
    He said The Mill had 12 CCTV cameras, covering the large open-plan bar area as well as the upstairs balcony and lavatories overlooking it.
    “The pub has obviously remained closed for more than a week and the cordon widened, but Greg feels like he has been kept completely in the dark, they’re not telling him anything.
    “He actually served them. He’s had a bit of a time of it all and is a pending terror suspect.
    “He certainly said he’s being treated like one. He’s had around eight police interviews.”
    The source said the CCTV cameras covered the whole bar and had been seized by police.
    “Skripal and his daughter sat just to the right of the front door.
    “One of the young bar staff who was on a break sat really near them and has also been interviewed.””
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/13/salisbury-car-park-ticket-machine-cordoned-expert-warns-dusty/

    Here is an image from The Telegraph dated 11 March taken inside The Mill:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/03/11/TELEMMGLPICT000157140953_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcM9aBJczjGu2JtrWg8AaNX1fI_nGi7k4qrKRwZ6kibI.jpeg?imwidth=480

    I thought it would be easy to spot their table because it would be surrounded by protective shielding, the whole area clearly dripping in novihoax. But no, nothing! It all looks quite normal, no sign that anything had happened there at all. Anyway, their table is right behind the high blue backed chairs.

    Here is another image:
    http://www.asiaone.com/sites/default/files/inline/images/736_1520828336.jpg

    But if you want really odd, here is an image from the Daily Mail of 7 March – and apart from the fact the date is in the link, I have checked and the article was archived on 7 March, so it is genuine – the Skripals table is on the left of the image – but where is all the protective equipment:
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/07/12/49EC2E3D00000578-5470361-The_interior_of_The_Mill_pub_in_Salisbury_is_pictured_today_afte-m-43_1520425087975.jpg

    So that was the last known place the Skripals were seen – the table to the right of the door at The Mill.

    1. Paul,

      If I looked at your post, which is excellent, and I viewed it as a newcomer to the investigation, I would ask:

      These restaurant locations are apparently contaminated with a nerve agent. What possible reason would there be to have the chairs placed upside down on the tables?
      By implication, on the Sunday night, or even more worryingly,some time after that, the routine cleaning of the restaurant was allowed to take place.
      Chairs upturned on the table, ready for the floor to be cleaned. (Floor already cleaned?)

      Were the police not in both The Mill Pub and Zizzi’s before closing time on the Sunday?
      ( I recall Zizzi’s pictures with the unprotected Plod in attendence, clip boards etc. Did the same not happen on Sunday night at the Mill Pub?)
      If so, the Mill Pub staff were allowed to clean up a crime scene, contaminate themselves etc.?

      Also, as Greg Townsend seemed to be interrogated with more vigour and more often, than his Zizzi’s counterpart, a casual observer would think that the Mill Pub visit was the last port of call in the Skripal sojourn to the park bench.

      1. Thanks Duncan,

        All good points and yes it does look like normal clean up operations were performed on Sunday evening.

        Zizzi and The Mill were both closed and cordoned off on Monday.

        Greg Townsend has confirmed that he was ordered to leave his flat (which is a part of the pub building) at 23:50 on the Monday night. He was told he would be allowed access to his apartment again by Tuesday evening – but that doesn’t seemed to have happened and 4 days later his rabbits were ‘rescued’ after a social media campaign.

        1. Same quote but 2 sources:

          “I was sent out of my flat Monday night at 23:50 by the police in Salisbury. I was told I would have access to my flat by Tuesday evening.”
          https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2538505/bunnies-back-with-owner-after-salisbury-spy-poisoning-drama/

          “He said: ‘I was sent out of my flat Monday night at 23:50 by the police in Salisbury. I was told I would have access to my flat by Tuesday evening. ”
          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5485721/Race-save-floppy-eared-Salisbury-two.html

    2. That telegraph article from March 13 is interesting
      – there is still no door knob theory though Detective Bailey had been poisoned by then
      – Skripals went to the Mill pub after Zizzi
      – they deduce that the nerve agent was in the car as Zizzi and Mill pub were contaminated
      – so no nerve agent was found in Skripal’s home until then (as far as the Telegraph knows)
      But – same Telegraph – from March 9
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/09/russian-spy-may-have-poisoned-home-police-believe/
      “Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who is being treated in hospital, was made seriously ill after being sent to Colonel Skripal’s house in Salisbury.
      Det Sgt Bailey was one of the first police officers to attend the house in a cul-de-sac a few hours after Col Skripal and his daughter Yulia collapsed in Salisbury town centre.
      The admission he was made ill at the house was made by Lord Blair, the former Metropolitan Police Commissioner, in a BBC interview.”
      Asked if there were any leads in the case, Lord Blair told the Today Programme on Radio 4: “There are some indications that the police officer who was injured had been to the house, whereas there was a doctor who looked after the patients in the open, who hasn’t been affected at all.
      “So there maybe some clues floating around in here.”
      – Detective Bailey was one of the first, not the first
      (doorknob makes no sense this way)
      – Skripals had the nerve agent in the house, and took it with them on their way through Salisbury
      – important – they took it through Salisbury in a way that made nobody sick, they must have touched lot’s of stuff on their way, without it being contagious, including waiters who took their glasses.
      Then – after the Mill pub – suddenly the stuff had worked through their skin in a way that made both of them sick simultaneously.
      Whilst Sergeant Bailey touched something in Skripal’s house that made him – slightly – sick.
      The door knob theory started when it was clear that Skripals had survived, and Britain did not want to sue them.

    3. And lots of cameras dotted about so where is all the footage
      Mr Met Police Man?

      Feel sorry for Manager being treated like that. Another case
      of Guilty until proven Innocent.

      Operation Smoke Screen Swings Into Action.

      1. Thank you Richard for that trigger comment. Is it possible that the point where the skripal/police operation abysmally failed was at the Mill pub. The plods were absolutely p!ssed off and took it out on the the most closely linked person: Pub manager.

        If he was grilled repeatedly then they were closely viewing cctv evidence and homing in on every person in attendance and every step the manager took over the period the Skripals attended. I can envisage back and forth questions/analysis then maybe showing some cctv minutes to Manager then hard questions again then closely examining every other staffer and more video analysis then back to the Manager again.

        They blew it at Mill pub! and they really wanted a victim to blame it on.

  118. Kings Head Inn and Tribbeck Jewellers have CCTV cameras.
    Tom said earlier he got in touch with Dauwalders, @Tom if you are in Salisbury could you ask these two businesses if the police took their CCTV too?

  119. The GZ100 flight on 5th March.
    Denise, the Royal flight isn’t based at Northwood, but at RAF Northolt – ever since 1995. The RN/NATO bunker at Northwood, which I’ve known about for a long time, plays no part in the flight. Studying the flight map provided by Paul, the helicopter left Northolt, did a large loop to the north, then headed SW. It didn’t land at Bournemouth (Hurn) airport as I thought I would but flew further west, landing in a wooded, rural area just West of Corfe Mullen. It then headed off to Porton Down, before returning to Northolt.

    I’ve previously read (here I think) of a Bournemouth connection. I must search for it. It’s possible that Yulya (& Sergei?) were taken to PD on 4th, picked up by this helicopter the next day, and flown to London. Maybe the stop at Bournemouth was to pick up another party.

    1. Do you know where in Corfe Mullen, I can check it out? There’s also the Royal Signals at Blandford Camp, not far from Corfe Mullen. There’s also Bovington camp, Wool near Wareham and the army firing range at Purbeck, Swanage.

      Hurn is used by the Saudi Royals, there kids go to Canford School. The plane can been seen parked up there.

  120. Wasn’t Theresa May embarrassing at press conference..Shocking!
    Fluffing her speech and sweating on lies,bottom lip quivering.

    At least A&R gave a better performance. She was also late so I do
    hope she gets sanctioned.

  121. Anyone considered challenging the DSMA notice ? As it seem to me the 2 below statements from the dsma.uk website may have give us a case to get it dropped.

    Might ‘damage’ to national security be claimed to mask wider instances of official embarrassment?

    Political or official embarrassment are not valid grounds under the five standing DSMA-Notices for advising against public disclosure of information.

    The Gov has limited the press reporting on Skripals handler due to the links to Orbis and the embarrassment it could cause them.

    If a fact has been published, does that mean that it can then be republished even if it is damaging to national security?

    It depends how and where it has been published. The guidance in DSMA-Notice 5 is that sensitive information which has already ‘been widely disclosed or discussed’ should not be withheld. However, judgements about what is ‘in the public domain’ are generally subjective. A statement by a writer with no authority in an obscure publication, or even on a hard-to-find website, does not have the readership or authority of a major British newspaper, publisher or reputable author. Each case therefore has to be assessed on its merits.

    The reporter from channel 4 leaked the a chunk of information about the notice contents on a public platform but no names.

    would this give enough information for this to apply ?

    1. Although I can’t directly answer your question, I’d go as far as to say that when UKG invoke the ‘national interest’ or ‘national security’ in this context there is USUALLY no threat to security at all, and the term ‘danger/risk to national security’ is nothing more than a euphemism for avoiding official embarrassment. Due to the average MSM consumer not being knowledgable over these matters they rely upon the public’s ignorance and apathy to get away with using this specious excuse far too often,

      A similar ‘weasel phrase’ is when they invoke the ‘public interest’. A requirement for all state prosecutions is that they must be ‘in the public interest’. Wealthy people involved in fraud and tax avoidance more often than not escape prosecution, even though it would be in the public interest to prosecute. In espionage and intelligence-related cases that phrase is stretched to its limit. Very often what the public consider as being in their interest conflicts UKG’s idea of public interest. The same applies to national interest. Also public interest can sometimes conflict with national interest. Neither phrase is properly defined and this favours corruption and deceit, and goes against ideas of justice, ethics and rule of law.

      1. @ Miheila,

        Another euphemism is when they claim ‘the world community’ wants this or that [nomenclature for 5-Eyes].

      2. I meant to add that UKG can, and DOES, use these terms to mean whatever they want them to mean at the time. The government always have the upper hand over the people. This is not democracy. If these legal terms are to mean anything they need to be precisely defined. There are many other ambiguous terms used in law (which is supposedly concerned with precision). One is ‘official secret’, conveniently used to conceal just exactly what ‘national interest’ entails in any particular case.

        1. Very true, Daniel. Another, often used as a buzzphrase by the police, is ‘protecting the community’ – when in fact it’s never been that simple. They swear allegianace to the monarch, and the not to the people. The word ‘community’ is very much abused nowadays.

          Note that the UK police oath/attestation is primarily about swearing allegiance to the monarch; NOT to the people. It is flouted routinely.

          “I, … of … do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law”.

          Before the revisons of 1996 it read:

          “I, … … … of … … … do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve Our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of constable, without favour or affection, malice or ill will; and that I will to the best of my power cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty’s subjects; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law”.

          This is well worth reading:
          https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/police_oath_meaning_who_do_you_s_4

          1. @ Miheila,

            “Response to this request is long overdue. By law, under all circumstances, Ministry of Defence Police should have responded by now.”

            Why am I not surprised TPTB played the ‘Freedom Not to Answer Questions’ gambit?

            One of the reasons why I like wolves, is because their prey can run like lightening, they themselves can run all day long.

            You don’t have to answer the following question [its just so you know]: I had a friend named Mihai. He hailed from Romania. Every time I read your name, I see his. Weird, eh?

      3. Miheila, your summary sounds about right.

        I do find it interesting that UK media treats PM (he who shall not be named) as if he’s some big secret. Back in 2000, Russia outed him as an MI6 agent under cover at the UK’s Tallin embassy and that he recruited and handled Russian double-agents.

        After being nabbed 12/04, Skripal is alleged to have claimed that PM recruited him and was his handler. Sounds to me like it was a safer claim for him to have made than confessing that he’d been a walk-in, ready to hand over the names of his colleagues for cash. Unless PM was the only MI6 handler during those years, there’s reason to doubt that he was Skripal’s primary or only handler.

    2. Bulldog,

      The way I interpret these DSMA notices is that they are always active and continuous.
      A sort of old boys club with the editors and more importantly the media owners in the UK, that “I say chaps, we would rather none of this stuff is printed, national security for Blighty, etc.etc.”

      Conversely, because the existing ones cover so much, there is no need to issue a new one.
      Sunday, March 4th, in the evening, (which might just have been too early) a reminder was sent out.
      We are assuming to prevent the Skripal illness being linked to Pablo Miller.
      If you Google “Pablo Miller” you need to do a lot of scrolling before you see a UK media mention of his name.

  123. Thus is what I think happened in the Skripal poisoning.

    After his wife’s and son’s death Skripal became very lonely and isolated in the UK. He wanted to go home. His mother was elderly and not in good health. His daughter was in Russia.

    So he made contact with the Russian government but he had to offer something valuable to the Russian government for his repatriation. Negotiations had to done through his daughter as obviously everything else would be monitored. Most probably he offered information on the dodgy dossier which he had helped compile and which had been commissioned by the UK government/Establishment to damage the chances of Trump in the election. Any evidence of this would have been dynamite for the Russian government.

    However, his daughter would have most definitely been under intense surveillance in the UK so taking physical documents would have been impossible. So I suspect the role of the two guys in Salisbury was to check Skripal had the evidence he said he had.

    According to news reports on 3 March the Skripals left home early in the morning with their phones switched off possibly to avoid being located. During that period Julia may have had an MI5/MI6 proof phone and was in contact with the two guys as they travelled to Salisbury, who they met sometime after their arrival.

    Aware that something was odd was going on MI5/MI6 contacted Skripal once the phones were switched to tell him that they needed to meet at around 4pm in the park. This may well have been why Skripal was so worried and anxious in the restaurant. The couple filmed near the park carrying a red bag, may have poisoned him with fentanyl as it was necessary for MI5/MI6 to put Skripal out of action as soon as possible to stop the role of the UK government/Establishment in the dossier being revealed. Trump might very well have cut off relations with the UK.

    1. @ Anony,ous,

      Q: According to news reports on 3 March the Skripals left home early in the morning with their phones switched off possibly to avoid being located.

      R: How can someone be ‘under intense surveillance’ and travel around and about unnoticed [regardless of stats of phones]?

      1. Thank you Daniel, the causes of ‘intense surveillance’ failure could include: austerity cuts, stupidity, insufficient staff to cover all targets and a a sickie taken leaving a (morning) gap (thinking DS Bailey was on late shift), poor training of staff, sleepy staff, smart target giving the slip, ladder at back fence, surveillance camera tech fault or flat battery, ditto movement detector, gps tracker fail in car, cctv facial recognition software fail or so many false positives that officers don’t bother anymore (and blame austerity cuts of course), so many critical links, so many possibilities and the tendency to rely on technology tracking rather than human can lead to very silly outcomes. Just like this.

        Memo to next Prime Minister: ’employ people and train them well as national security is worth it’?

    2. Mine begins with after the death of his wife, Yulia’s return to Russia (in 2013 or 2014), the breakup with his girlfriend, and Alexandr’s non-presence in the UK and then death in 2017, Skripal became depressed. (Note: his friend Cassidy only sponsored him for his drinking club last fall.) And angry.

      1. Possibly Sergej supected foul play regarding his son’s death. I think maybe his son was involved in creating the Steele dossier, maybe not knowing to which extent it should be used thereafter. He died after the dossier was published.

        1. It has been fairly widely reported that the Skripal family did consider his son’s death suspicious.
          Here for example:
          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5473953/Exclusive-pictures-Salisbury-Russian-spy-family.html

          Also, from the above:

          …the mystery over Alexandr’s death deepened today as St Petersburg’s respected Fontanka news agency said it can find no traces of him dying in the city.

          It reported: ‘According to our research, Alexander Skripal did buy tickets on the Sapsan (high speed) train from Moscow, arriving on 13 July and departing on 15 July.

          ‘He was with a 49-year-old female called Anna. It is not clear if the couple left St Petersburg on the planned date, as the tickets were bought about one and a half months ahead of the trip.’

          It is understood Alexander died several days after his planned trip to St Petersburg, which was described as a holiday. The Fontanka report added: ‘As of now, we failed to find traces of him dying in St Petersburg.

          ‘And according to our information, Alexander had planned a trip to see his father in England in August 2017. He bought a ticket for a plane leaving early morning on August 8, 2017.’

        2. The absence of any reported information about Alexandr Skripal’s life other than his DOB, DOD, that for some undefined period of time, he had been married, and for some undefined period of time in the years prior to his death, he was living in Moscow (possibly in Sergei’s apartment) suggests practically nothing. Education and employment is a blank. No friends or family have spoken publicly about his health and death or even his life story. That silence about Alexandr does mean that Sergei and Yulia preferred not to talk about Alexandr and odds are their preference is a personal matter and has nothing to do with Alexandr having had some mysterious employment situation.

          Contrary to the MSM suggestions that the Skripal’s were a very close family, looks to me as if they were closer to being estranged. That wouldn’t be a surprising consequence of Sergei’s activities and revelation of his activities as a double-agent.

  124. Duncan . . . “it was reported that a mock “nerve agent” attack exercise had just finished that weekend”

    Doesn’t anyone else think this suspicious? This exercise drill scenario was a feature of several other notable events . . . 9/11 New York, 7/7 London, the Boston Marathon and Oklahoma attacks.

    1. Sure. Skeptics always take note of coincidences that seem too convenient. The problem is that such coincidences, most of which are truly coincidental, don’t in and of themselves offer enough traction without other evidence and a sufficiently plausible narrative to lead to and force the malefactors into a box from which they can’t escape. (Woo-woo CT folks never admit any coincidences – all the dots connect for them, regardless of how crazy their narratives get.)

      The closest analogy to this incident that I can readily recall is Cheney’s 9/11 war game exercises. Those exercises are a fact. They began on 9/11 and sufficiently confused the air space that it delayed the response to the hijacking of the airliners. Nobody came up with a strategy on where and how to dig for a connection between the war games and the events of 9/11; so, it was left as a very lucky coincidence for the 9/11 terrorists.

      A couple of differences from that coincidence and the Salisbury Incident. The schedule for Cheney’s war games was a high level secret. The UK military/PD exercises were known to the public in advance. Iirc, they ended a day or two before 4 Mar.

      Early on there was some speculation that the Skripals had come in contact with some unreported residual poison from those exercises. Where? Nobody had a clue. Then there was the delayed and nearly simultaneous response. Plausible that Met CT opened this possibility (and has never publicly closed it) by going public with the unknown whereabouts and disabled cell phones of the Skripals that morning. Novichok smeared on the doorknob is a similarly challenging hypothesis but has the advantage of indicting Russia/Putin for the alleged crime (a favorite with UK/US foreign security services) and doesn’t have the disadvantage of discrediting PD and/or the UK military. An accidental contact poisoning is more plausible than Russia done did it, but not by much, and if true, it would only be known to very few UK officials and if ever admitted, that will only come decades from now.

  125. @Daily Shocker – please correct in all your articles „SkIRpals“ into „SkRIpals“ !!!
    If you want to be taken seriously, you should at least write the name of the main character correctly.
    Sorry, but I am writing this for the second (and last) time.
    You do a lot of good work, so please…

  126. Its a long shot but I wonder if anyone may still have dashcam footage
    knocking about of days in question?

    Long since recorded over I suspect but ya never know.
    Wonder if Police have got cctv off trains they used?

    1. The sad and frightening thing is that this Belling crap is raging through the media and social networks.

      2. Thank you Liane, there must be a UN Security Council meeting coming up. These hoaxers at belling cat could ding a dong let alone get close to a cat without it doing one of those brilliant sideways leaps you see in youtube with cucumber on the floor. They are fully paid extension of the GCHQ machine.

    2. Observations

      If they can’t kill the Montenegrin they they stood no chance against old bloke in Salisbury

      And they have used the pirate in the mirror photo taking the photo of the Skripals again

      1. Peter Beswick wrote : “And they have used the pirate in the mirror photo taking the photo of the Skripals again”
        What is the problem with the “pirate” ? Isn’t it likely that he is Aleksander Skripal ?
        Here are pictures of Aleksander :

        http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114881,23277654,syn-skripala-zmarl-rok-temu-jego-partnerka-zniknela-rosyjskie.html

        https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/yulia-skripal-got-access-to-150-000-secret-bank-account-before-getting-poisoned/

        1. Or is that picture to reinforce the idea that Yulia had blonde hair?

          Looking at Yulia her face is much rounder than March 3rd 2018.

          Overall she is a fair bit heavier in that picture than the airport one and certainly relative the Reuters appearance.

          I am deeply suspicious of the none release of the duck feeding scene. The mother said the pictures were really clear – which means she has sen them and confirmed that these two people were indeed the Skripals.

          The question is – what were they both wearing and what colour was Yulias’ hair.

          That could be solved by showing us ( or The Daily Mail ?) the duck feeding video.

          Then we could witness the people who were attacked as we have witnessed the alleged attackers in all their glory – or ingloriousness.

          Even if a prosecution in absentia came about – what harm would it do to show the public the Skripals feeding the ducks alongside young children.

          Good PR surely?

    3. At least the telegraph states they contacted the sources and they contradicted bellingcat . A small blessing .

      How anyone believes this absolute clown that writes clearly delusional “investigation” pieces or narcissist liar types like bill Browder is beyond my comprehension . Surely people can’t be that credulous .

      1. @ Isa,

        Belling cat provided pictures of a BUK system moving through the Donbass region, right after MH-17 crashed [in 2014]. He has to be fed said info by those who benefit from it.

        ‘It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.’ still stands strong, even after so many years…

      2. Most people aren’t really interested, they only read the headlines. Even people are skeptical, if it is repeated again and again, and seemingly respectable people assume it is right, something will stick.
        Bellingcat is well embedded into journalism.
        But their overactivity means some people get worried.

        1. But their overactivity means some people get worried.
          ————————————

          Exactly what I think.

  128. I looked into the R&B interview again for some clues.

    1) They said on March 3 they „spent about 40 minutes in a coffee shop at the train station“.
    There is a coffee shop inside the train station, the Pumpkin Coffee Shop. Do they have CCTV ?

    If R&B really spent 40 minutes in a coffee shop, they could not spy much in Salisbury.
    This means that the MET told us nonsense about their stay on March 3.
    Neil Basu : „We assess that this trip was for reconnaissance of the Salisbury area…“
    BUT it was enough time to find a CCTV free area near the train station as a meeting point with the Skripals.

    2) R&B insisted they visited the cathedral on March 4. They said :
    BOSHIROV: To see this famous cathedral. To visit Old Sarum.
    SIMONYAN: So, did you see it?
    BOSHIROV: Yes, we did.
    PETROV: On March 4, we did. But again, by lunchtime, there was heavy sleet.
    BOSHIROV: For some reason, nobody talks about this.
    PETROV: So we left early.
    SIMONYAN: Is it beautiful?
    BOSHIROV: The cathedral is very beautiful. There are lots of tourists, lots of Russian tourists, lots of Russian-speaking tourists.
    PETROV: By the way, they should have a lot of pictures from the cathedral.
    SIMONYAN: Your pictures, you mean?
    PETROV: They should show them.
    SIMONYAN: I assume you took some pictures while at the cathedral?
    PETROV: Of course.
    BOSHIROV: Sure, we did. We went to a park, we had some coffee. We went to a coffee shop. We walked around, enjoying those beautiful English Gothic buildings.
    PETROV: For some reason, they don’t show this. They only show how we went to the train station.

    First I get the impression that they are not aware of their detour to Wilton road.
    Their description is that they went straight to the cathedral when leaving the train station on 11:48.

    Possible ways :
    1) Mill Road (along Queen Elizabeth Gardens with view on the cathedral) – Crane Street (passing the public Novichok toilet, CCTV at no. 99) – at Prezzo right into High Street (CCTV at High Street Gate) – Cathedral.
    That´s 0,7 miles = 14 minutes walk.

    2) South Western Road – Fisherton Street – Water Lane – Cranebridge Road – Crane Street (passing the public Novichok toilet) – at Prezzo left into High Street (CCTV at High Street Gate) – Cathedral.
    That´s 0,7 miles = 14 minutes walk.

    3) South Western Road – Fisherton Street – Bridge Street – High Street (CCTV at the corner of New Canal and CCTV at High Street Gate) – Cathedral.
    That´s 0,7 miles = 14 minutes walk.

    In any case it´s only a 14 minutes walk. They were on CCTV at High Street Gate, which is certainly working as it films all the cathedral visitors.

    Way no 1 is the most possible, because Boshirov said : „We went to a park, we had some coffee.“

    R&B could be at the cathedral shortly after 12 o´clock. About 50 minutes time to take photos and walk around the cathedral and have a coffee.

    The way back to the train station must have been :
    Cathedral – High Street – Bridge Street – Fisherton Street (CCTV on the bridge at 13:05)
    They again had to pass the CCTVs at High Street Gate and corner of New Canal.
    But this two CCTVs were not published, because they had debunked the Wilton Road CCTV.

    To know who is lying (MET or R&B) we need to see the photos of R&B at the cathedral !
    Maybe Putin could ask them to show it ?!

    1. Pudding bridge photo, at the end of the bridge (were the bike to is) is a footpath up to to cranebridge.

    2. Your scenario rejects Image #5 and the Dauwalders CCTV as authentic. I also provisionally reject the authenticity of #5, but if Met CT put out one fake image (and I’m reasonably sure that #1 and #2 aren’t authentic freeze frames) why rely on their other images for a narrative?

      If the Dauwalders CCTV timestamp is incorrect, why hasn’t Met CT announced that fact?

      If Dauwalders CCTV timestamp is correct, then they could have spent the period from 11:48 to 13:49 getting to the Cathedral, having a look around, and arriving at Dauwalders window on their way back to the train station at 13:49. That would have put them on the Fisherton/Bridge St bridge a couple minutes before 13:49 (perhaps more than a couple of minutes if they took out some time to look around the Clock Tower), and at the Summerlock Approach a couple minutes after 13:49. (Note: there are no embedded date/time stamps on Images #6-8; only the Met CT’s word as to the time.)

    3. On cctv can I propose that we have seen many maps on blogmire locating cctv cameras and all sourced from open access websites. I think the GU would have looked too if GU really were up to something. With street view and high res google earth it would not be too difficult to shade in sites of obscurity from public cctv on a street map.

      Equally I guess it would be fairly easy to refine that shading to identify further obscurity from assumed cctv in likely private premises. A quick recce could sort of prove it but that is uncertain.

      On the detour to question: they are fitness people, they walk around enjoying architecture in (what may be to some) a lovely place to visit. The cathedral might be on their bucket list.

      I know someone who visited every church in his district to measure temperature and things as he was interested in the esoteric influence of prayer! THAT was odd to me but it was his thing (extensive spreadsheets were produced). P&B or anyone else would not be talking about that sort of stuff on RT, I guess. Some Russians do have an interesting take on the esoteric I notice. I think walking the streets of St Petersburg would be nice too if I ever got the opportunity to visit.

  129. Hey…if the two came to a trial…on some kind of neutral territory….under the auspuces of say UN…..would not the best FSB lawyer insist on cross examining Skripals …Bailey… Met pice…B J…TM…OPCW….Porton Down…Wallace etc etc…..and totally demolish the case….the sooner the better before falsehoods are corrected and more created now they are getting practise at doing that? Because international relations are at risk and accusations ate made at UN and should be permitted to be rebutted there….is this possible in my naivity?????

    1. In US courts, a defendant has discovery rights. In this case it would include the CCTV videos from which Met CT took the freeze frames and depositions from all the witnesses. Any witness and victims, real and alleged, that declines to be deposed and therefore, wouldn’t be called by the prosecution to testify at trial can be used by the defense to refute the state’s case. Without such a key witness(es), prosecutors rarely proceed to trial.

      However, there is no transnational judicial institution that can hear a case like this. That was the same problem for those incarcerated by the US at Guantanamo. HMG has no expectation that Petrov and/or Boshirov will submit themselves to the jurisdiction of the UK legal system; so, HMG is free to make up whatever story they can sell to western/friendly nations.

      1. Marie,

        I agree.
        However, can our Blogmirers find any accusatory statements made by Mrs May outside the confines of the HOC?
        As quite a few pundits have mentioned she only goes full tilt when she is protected by HOC privilege.

        1. Chances are none exist. Or at least none that would be cited by whoever she spoke to and even if one of them spoke out, it would put it it in a she said (or in this case didn’t say) v. she/he said May did speak. iirc Boris Johnson made his first accusatory statement from HOC floor but somewhat soon was spouting his accusations to reporters and TV media. Then he was gone as Secretary of Foreign Affairs. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that several MPs have been incautious like Johnson.

          Basu’s statements have been extremely cautious. And the PD chief while seemingly saying more, was careful not to confirm almost all of what May has charged.

          So far, the anomalies and near impossibilities recognized by the general public have been easily brushed aside and dismissed by the MSM, and therefore, HMG senior officials don’t have to respond.

          It’s the rare individual that through chance or employment knows and can prove HMG lies has the courage to go public. Rare because governments treat whistleblowers harshly. A goodly portion of the general public suspects that high government officials frequently lie about serious matters of state, but they don’t behave as if they are terribly interested in finding out the truth.

          At this point, it looks as if the only ones with a potential hammer to smash the HMG illusion are in Russia. If so, they aren’t ready to call HMG’s bluff. They’ve started small with the challenge to Met CT to prove the authenticity of the Gatwick freeze frames. And the western public isn’t demanding that Met CT does that. I said potential hammer because if the two men have photos or videos of themselves on the grounds of or in the Cathedral.

  131. Paul and Peter B,

    Can you have a look at planefinder.net or other sites for this one.

    GZ100 is the new RAF VIP helicopter.

    It left Northwood HQ at approx 12.45 UTC on Monday the 6th

    It flew down past Bournemouth Airport at 13.34 UTC and turned and went back over the airport, it may have landed there?

    Then it flew up to Porton Down arriving at approx13.44 UTC

    The RAF VIP fleet is only used by the most senior government members and the Royal Family.

    I wonder who was in it and why did they need to go to Porton Down in person the day
    after the alleged Skripals poisoning.

    Maybe the Motorola salesman needed some guidance on what he was to find in the test tube?

    Or maybe Skripal or both Skripals were taken somewhere from Porton Down in GZ100?

    What I cant find is GZ100 taking off from Porton Down and where it went from there.

    Here is a link to what Northwood HQ does:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2202784/Britains-secret-nuclear-bunker-Buried-100ft-inside-control-room-order-launch-strike-given.html

    Here is a link to a picture of the RAF VIP plane fleet with GZ100:
    http://www.targeta.co.uk/squadronaction_32.htm

    2. And while you are at it guys. lol

      What was the earliest time the story changed from drug overdose to Novichok?

      Thank you

      1. Denise,

        Maybe, just a maybe, when neither Skripal responded to Naloxone.
        At almost the same time, (maybe) the two PD scientists, in attendance at SDH, realised that the victims could be suffering the effects of nerve agent, and then DS Bailey presented himself.
        So based on all this speculations, around 7pm Sunday night, March 4th.

        2. @Duncan – do you have any information that answers the question: does the initial treatment for an opioid overdose also work for an organophosphate (Novichok-type) poisoning? Other than basic life support, the medicines for each case are diffferent: Naloxone vs. Atropine, respectively. If you’re given Naloxone without opioids in your system, what happens? Would it have any effect (good or bad) on nerve agent symptoms or interfere with subsequent treatment with Atropine?

          More questions to add to the list…

          I suppose it’s likely to be dependent on the dose of the opioid/nerve agent as to whether or not the victim can survive with life support until a correct diagnoses is made.

          1. DavidC

            Opioids bind the receptors in our cells, most of which are in our brain and cerebral cortex. For convenience, these receptors are called opioid receptors, and we have others like CB receptors that cannabis binds to.
            Naloxone has a greater affinity for these opioid receptors than morphine, fentanyl, carfentanil, codeine. etc.
            So in layman’s terms, the bad opioids are kicked off the receptor sites by a non toxic naloxone.
            If you inject naloxone and the patient does not improve then something else has “poisoned” the victim.
            Atropine would have no effect on opioid intake, and naloxone would have no effect on a nerve agent.
            Because this is Salisbury, and all things military are normal, it was reported that a mock “nerve agent” attack excercise had just finished that weekend, and two clinicians who were part of it, were at SDH that Sunday afternoon evening.
            I would think they stepped in with atropine when the “normal” clinicians reported that naloxone was not helping with the symptoms.
            Patient blood would be sampled and assayed for acetylcholine esterase levels.
            Then the fun started.

            1. GHB (liquid ecstasy) is a non-opioide drug with no odor or flavor. Some usage seen in body building. It takes 10 to 20 minutes to show its effects. Mix with alcool is a very bad idea. Symptoms in overdose could be similar to opioid drugs. But is is not an opioid so opioid treatment (Naloxone) would have no effect.

            2. Duncan – thanks for the clear explanation. That only leaves the other five pages of single-spaced questions…

              1. DavidC,

                I am down to my final 27 questions.
                The top 3 tonight would be:

                Why no further witness statements?
                If the whole deal was to disappear the Skripals, then why all this convoluted saga?
                Why no word from the Skripals after more than 6 months? Surely Sergei would get in touch with his mother?

                Ok that’s 4 questions.

                1. Why no further witness statements? – There is a huge ongoing cover up – evidence is being suppressed (just like 9/11 was).

                  If the whole deal was to disappear the Skripals, then why all this convoluted saga? – Whatever the original plan was, it went wrong. In the confusion of Monday and Tuesday too much real information got out and trying to hide it now is like getting toothpaste back into the tube. On 9/11 things didn’t go wrong. It went according to plan – even to the point where the BBC broadcast of the collapse of WTC7 (with it still standing in the background shot) before it was demolished, was hushed up.

                  Why no word from the Skripals after more than 6 months? – Because wherever they are, it does not suit the party in control to have them say anything …. yet.

                  Surely Sergei would get in touch with his mother? – We don’t know that he hasn’t been in touch with her. They don’t have to tell us whether he has or hasn’t.

            3. Duncan, did you see the May 29 Newsnight? Here’s my line of inquiry viz. treatment ( do we trust that we got any facts on this score, or are any “facts” stated officially on this score to support the novichok-bad-Russia story?) –

              Why isn’t the Bbc Newsnight episode of May 29, 2018, available?

              Did someone from SDH slip up and nearly give the game away by being too specific about treatment?

              The article which made me look for the episode via the BBC2 schedule – link was there, but only a message that the episode was unavailable: https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2591749/sdh-professionals-give-their-take-on-the-skripals-poisoning/

              I read this paper about differential diagnosis for various toxic substances in children – things used for treatment are included: http://www.medlink.com/scripts/mpdf/print_friendly.php?title=chemical_and_drug_poisoning_in_children&action=print&channel=public_content&entryid=19115

              And, given that we have no verified information about what substance may have been used, save the mendacious HMG claims, I was following up on Marie’s – I believe – reference to the more toxic form of fentanils, car-whatever- and smuggling of liquids, finding this report on something so new that deaths are still counted in the single digits: http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/7925/20181015_TDAS18002ENN_PDF.pdf

          1. That is true.
            The symptoms would be the same.
            The lab assay for acteylcholine esterase levels would have the same low result too.

            However, the analytical work, undoubtedly Gas Chromatography – Mass Spectrometry would identify the specific molecule.
            Medically, organophosphate pesticide poisoning would result in the same symptoms as nerve agent.
            The early nerve agent development work was based on pesticides.

          2. Yes, that’s why in the first week, having found that ‘novichok’ was first written up as a by-product of pesticide research in the late ’80s, I said to myself: Oh, please do not tell me that this mess is because Sergei didn’t think, in typical Russian fashion, that UK’s “safe” pesticides were lousy, and in preparation for spring gardening asked Yulia to bring him a Russian under-regulated pesticide (thinking that he accidentally poisoned himself and Yulia with too much or a badly produced version).

      2. SDH claims that on Sunday (4 Mar) evening that they contacted the NHS Radiation, chemical, etc. unit to report that two suspected fentanyl patients weren’t responding to opioid overdose antidotes and the NHS Radiation, etc. unit promptly reported it to Met CT. This was approximately twelve hours before SDH declared a Major Incident on 5 Mar due to an unknown toxic substance. iirc SDH only revealed “in consultation with ‘partners” in the Major Incident Declaration. Again, iirc, the SDH spokesperson revealed in a press conference that Monday evening that NHS Radiation, etc. was one of the partners along with PHS and the claimed 4 Mar contact with Met CT was revealed sometime after 5 Mar.

        By approximately 1:00 pm Tuesday, Boris Johnson was spouting something like nerve agent and Russia done did it.

        What is easier to see retrospectively is that care was taken to put SDH/NHS in the driver’s seat of the narrative within a few hours of the incident. (Did someone at NHS, Met CT and/or HMG put together an after action report on the Litenvenko poisoning for how they could have played that better to hang it on Russia/Putin?) The UK public would be less likely to question NHS than Met CT.

        My take is that Met CT was driving the bus from Sunday evening on. What I don’t know is if their original report came from NHS Radiation, etc. or if they were first on it from a WPD report that Sergei Skripal may have been a victim.

        Only much later, after settling on the Novichok story (iirc about a week later), did SDH mention the presence of PD physicians/scientists at SDH on that Sunday evening.

        My take (and most here totally disagree) is that from approximately 4:15 pm on 4 Mar until the Major Incident Declaration, iirc 11:00 on 5 Mar, Wiltshire emergency services and SPD/WPD acted as if it were an opioid overdose situation and only after that began to act as if they were investigating a crime. A criminal investigation was denied until that Tuesday when it was publicly announced that Met CT had become the lead agency. Then the police worked back in time from the CCTV recording of the two people on the bench. One team searching for those that had been near the bench at approximately 4:15 and another team trying to retrace the steps that led to the two people being on the bench. Freya Church would naturally have been one of the first people identified as she was there at approximately 4:05 and was easy enough to find. Identifying and trying to locate the Market Walk couple who would have appeared in the bench CCTV at approximately 3:50 came later — anyone’s guess if it was later on Monday or Tuesday morning when they grabbed the SnapFitness CCTV.

          1. Unlike you, I haven’t been able to read all the reports on this as confirming when the police got to Snapfitness, exactly what they took, and when and how the AP got hold of it. Best I can do is late Monday or early Tuesday. Prince’s statement is imprecise as to the details I may like to have, but as with most people in the role of a witness, those wouldn’t be the most salient aspects to someone in Prince’s position. Speaking of which, where is he? And he sure hasn’t made any subsequent clarification of his remarks.

        2. This here is the BBC version from the hospital
          https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44278609
          “Nursing director Lorna Wilkinson said a key moment came when policeman Nick Bailey was admitted with similar symptoms. “There was a real concern as to how big this could get,” she said.”
          “And ward sister Sarah Clark, who was on duty that night, added that there were fears that the hospital’s staff might end up being affected.
          She pointed out that they had not, at that stage, “taken any extra precautions in terms of protecting ourselves”.”
          “But when police became aware of Mr Skripal’s former career as a Russian spy, they told the hospital and discussed the possibility that he may have been the victim of a targeted attack.

          A major incident was declared at the hospital and police moved in to protect the Skripals. ”
          “As they continued the treatment, medical staff discarded the earlier theory about opioid poisoning, realising that what they were seeing were symptoms typical of organophosphate, or nerve agent, poisoning.”
          It works like a pesticide poisoning.

          1. I’ve already read and locked all that into my memory bank. Not that this scripted presentation provides much information. Bailey wasn’t admitted to SDH until Tuesday (actual time not reported)’; so, Wilkinson is flat out wrong.

            Sister Sarah Clark isn’t exactly wrong — there’s always a fear for medical personnel in treating a fentanyl overdose and that’s why SOP are to take self-protection precautions. Those SOP precautions should be sufficient for a nerve agent poisoning as well.

            The other comments only confirm early police activities at SDH. The police would have been well aware of who Skirpal was within two hours. And my guess is that is when Met CT took the lead.

    4. WiFi down at home for 2nd day so not able to check out plane finder at the mo but will look at it when I get the chance.
      Bournemouth link is interesting

      1. The transponder was on but it wasn’t broadcasting the airspeed. These flight data websites do not always have identical data; for reasons I don’t understand, sometimes data is ‘missing’ from one or another.

  132. Dauwalders date is in the American format 03.04.2018 which in the UK would be read as 3rd April.
    Two things occur, first, someone said CCTV could be linked to the internet. Does the US format make that more likely?
    Second, could it explain how the police missed it, if they checked 04.03.2018

    1. Maybe R&A came back into town on April 3rd to find out why the Skripals were not dead, and then planted the perfume bottle in the Catherine Street bin.

      Now we are talking!

      “Watson, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left is possible, unless it took place in Salisbury.”

    2. @Patrick Mahony, I doubt it’s a function of being connected to the internet. Probably the default format of the system that was never changed. Could be the management are partial to the US date format, for some bizarre reason.

      1. DavidC – do you know anybody in the UK who prefers the US date format?
        Have any of the technical whizzes who analysed the police photos looked at Dauwalders for digital watermarking?

        1. Patrick Mahony, No. I only know one person in the UK, a fellow database developer, who used the UK day-month-year format. I don’t think my blog buddies here count as people I know yet 🙂

          I’m American but I use the UK format, somewhat inconsistently, on documents, due to my being an army brat and years of dealing with that format in my work.

          I don’t know how to look for digital watermarking. A quick look at Wikipedia tells me it’s used more for things like copyright protection. Watermarking alters the image, so I doubt it’d be used in CCTV security systems but that’s a guess.

          1. Welcome Aboard DavidC. Well I can assure you nobody, not one single person, in the UK would ever even think about putting the month first (such as 9/11).
            The date was right (A&R in Salisbury) but in the wrong format, so it wasn’t done randomly.
            So if the installer put in the right date, he probably put in the right time to.
            If it was never altered manually or automatically it is 50/50 if it is British Summer Time or Greenwich Mean Time.

            1. Patrick- thanks for the welcome. I rather doubted y’all in the UK would use the US format :). My, hopefully, last speculation on this is that the “display” format – what’s seen on screen – is different by default than what the administration/setup person sees when configuring the system. No one would notice unless there was a reason to look at footage.

    3. The police didn’t miss the Dauwalders footage. I contacted Dauwalders and the son informed me that the police had retrieved the footage during March. Nothing remarkable about such CCTV displaying inaccurate times.

          1. They were not looking for evidence of who might be involved (no interest in Market Walk couple), they were not interested in protected the public from harm (hanging the duck boys out to dry) and they were not interested in the Skripals movements that day (we still don’t know what they looked like on the 4th March – no photos issued). The only thing they were interested in is identifying people who may have seen too much.
            They even cocked that thanks to Freya and Ollie.
            But they encouraged Freya to talk to the cameras, even gave her a police escort to and from the interviews.What was that all about?

        2. @Peter Beswick – no, the police only copied the footage in early March. It only took this highly professional, highly trained police force of a world-capital city another two months to identify suspects and another four months to publicly announce their findings. Verifications and cross-checks take time, as any fan of, “Yes, Minister” would know.

          1. Well if Dauwalders retained the footage which they appear to have done in order to throw in the wild card timing, then they have the other times the pair passed the shop, regardless of which side of the street they were on. Eg They got caught between 13:05 & 13:08 that can be used to calibrate the shop CCTV to the council’s

            1. Or the shop timing is between the two council ones, which suggests one hurrying the other along was not in order to catch a train.
              Anybody got the actual train times that day?

              1. Anybody got the actual train times that day?

                Not that I’ve seen. The Monday through Saturday schedule from Salisbury to Waterloo except for late night/early morning departure at depart x:21 and x:47 and arriving at Waterloo one and half hours later. I couldn’t find the Sunday schedule but someone said that it runs only once and hour and departs from Salisbury at x:29.

                As for 1-3 Mar, those would have been the days with the most disrupted schedules, but Saturday could have been close to normal.

            2. Peter – that is a very good point. I wonder if Dauwalders gave the whole day to the Daily Mail or just that brief clip?
              As you say they should have been caught twice if they went past twice.
              If they only went past once it was 13.06 and Dauwalders were on GMT but 42 minutes fast. Or BST and 18 minutes slow.

              1. If they were not picked up on the shop CCTV after putting a mess on Mr Skripals door handle they must have taken a different route, most likely via QEG

    1. Of course the problem they’ll have with that, Duncan, is that the little robot won’t be able to reach up to door handles. And then where will we be 😉

      Rob

      1. I suggested to the SJ that they let the robots run the train services.
        Now only the cynical, (picture of me in the dictionary) would possibly suggest that this multi million pound contract is now justified with the blatant chemical attack by the Russians.
        Not much point in having all this technology if there is no realistic threat to our safety.

  134. If D.S.Bailey at Duck Feeding with Skripals-A&R

    What if Skripals had left an Item back at 47 {Home}
    as added security-backup and purposely left it.
    Skripals would tell Bailey A&R but its for them to prove
    otherwise..Trump Card for Sergie-Yulia!

    After alleged Novihoax Bailey dashes back to 47 to retrieve
    alleged incriminating evidence.

    Hence no cctv of duck feeding incident…..

  135. Lets give the UK authorities all the leeway. Their times are 100% correct, Dauwalders is wrong (It occurs to me that it could be on BST so one hour fast) plus not that accurate, ie 10-15 mins out anyway – the clock in my car is often like this, and hour out because I’ve not changed it from BST to GMT, plus it gains/loses over time as well). So lets say that Dauwalders is actually 13:07 or some such, between the other two CCTV images.

    This still leaves the 42 minutes unaccounted for, in the centre of town, at exactly the same time the Skripals are heading for the same location. The chances of that happening and it not being a set up meeting have to be slim.

    This is my theory (for now): SS is importing carfentanyl from Russia, either as a personal money making exercise, or even a Russian State sponsored scheme to undermine the West from within. B&P are the mules, they bring it in disguised as perfume. They go to Salisbury on the Sat, but Sergei isn’t in, he’s gone to Heathrow for Yulia. So they arrange a meet for Sunday. Sergei does all his undercover stuff on Sunday morning, but the duo don’t show, trains delayed/late because of the weather. They get to Salisbury later and immediately head to his house, he’s not in. Hang around at the play area, trying to get hold of him but the phones off. Head back to town. Eventually raise Sergei, who arranges a second meet, in or around Sainsbury’s. They do the meet, hand over the goods, head straight to the station, their job done.

    S&Y go off for their drinks/meal. At some point one of the bottles starts to leak and contaminates them both (maybe discovering this at Zizzis is why S gets so upset). He doesn’t fully realise how lethal the stuff is, or even that he has been contaminated, and continues on his way until the stuff kicks in and they end up on the bench out of it, a open red bag of bottles of ‘perfume’ at their feet. At this point fate brings Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess wandering by (the CCTV couple, well known to frequent the centre of Salisbury so no stretch to think they could be there that Sunday afternoon), Charlie spies the bottles, nicks one. DSB, who has been shadowing Yulia all day arrives on the scene, sees they’re out of it, calls in the emergency services, looks in the bag for evidence of drugs, picks up the leaking perfume box, puts it down again. Knowing who Sergei is, goes to his house to try and ascertain what drug they’re on, to assist the medics. In doing so contaminates the door knob (leading to the red herring for the authorities).

    Everything then unfolds largely as we have seen. I think there was a crucial point at which the authorities made a massive error – they started off as drugs (rightly) but then jumped to that it had to be a hit, because of the nature of who the Skripals were, and the unusual ‘chemical warfare’ type chemical involved. The politicians then shot their mouths off far too fast with what was only a working hypothesis. By the time they’d actually worked out what the chemical was they’d already stated it was ‘Novichok’ and had been administered via the door knob, and Sergei and Yulia weren’t in a position to tell them otherwise for a good while. When they did come round and ‘fessed up (maybe Yulia had no idea of course) it was too late, too much political capital had been tied up the Russian Doorknob Poisoning Theory to admit it was nonsense.

    What have I missed?

    1. Wow That’s Good! Sounds plausible to me.
      Posted my little theory before I read yours.

      Everyone please ignore mine….

      Many Thanks

    2. My thoughts exactly – the carfentanil, that is. It’s also possible that SS picked up a fentanyl habit in prison. Shame Mrs May is so tied down with Brexit that she hasn’t got time to duff up the idiots who clamped the Novichok monkey to her back. Not that we’d ever know either way I suppose.

  136. Have you done an analysis of this where the shop times are out by one hour – British Standard Time vs British Summer time?

    It’s not unusual for cameras to keep standard time and not shift to summer time.

    1. That is what we all want to know Charles, but Dauwalders aren’t telling us and the MSM aren’t asking.
      4 March was GMT so it would have been wrong for 5 months.
      If anything it is more likely to be left on GMT all year than BST.
      And stamp collectors are going to be sticklers for getting things right.

      1. Dauwalders’ system will not be a cheap off-the-shelf, do-it-yourself set up. At retail prices, the shop is very likely holding millions of pounds worth of stock (either owned or on consignment etc). It is almost certainly linked to the internet both for data back up and software upgrades, possibly even remote viewing possibilities. If so, it will get its time regularly checked. It will almost certainly also be a requirement of Dauwalders’ insurance. In terms of everything we ‘know’ about this case, that Dauwalders’ time stamp is correct is by far our best bet.

      2. Have doubts about footage of Skripal BMW. Had time stamp
        changed. Its on road when should have been parked Sainsburys?

  137. Only in Salisbury.

    This is like a John Cleese/Peter Sellers production.

    FM Spire, who seem less supine than the SJ questioned which cameras could have captured Skripal movements near the park bench.
    This was their list.

    COUNCIL CAMERAS:

    Spire FM News has identified at least 5 of the Council’s CCTV cameras that may have filmed Sergei and Yulia Skripal…

    Sainsbury’s supermarket – overlooking The Maltings and the bench where the Skripal’s were found
    Salisbury Library – back of the library building overlooking Market Walk and G&T Cards shop
    Cheese Market – overlooking Market Walk and near Zizzi
    Fisherton Bridge – overlooking Fisherton Street and The Mill pub
    Priory Square – back of Maltings near Sue Ryder shop Malthouse Lane

    Rob, is one of the above the camera that would have filmed the duck feed, which was also a possible venue for a Rus and Alex meeting too?

    In the Salisbury fantasia, no one seems quite sure if the CCTV system was/was not working, and of course the time stamps would be questionable.

    1. Davenport. Must get reading glasses.
      Anyway “Alex King” does not look like Davenport. But curiously none of the named defendants is called Alex King or would be 42 now.
      So what is going on? Has “Alex King” been misidentified accidentally or deliberately?
      I come back to my thesis King and Shapiro were involved 4th March and did this to themselves as an insurance policy against being disappeared.

      1. Probably not actually Patrick:

        “The woman in the center of the “Novichok” false alarm, Russian-born Anna Shapiro, who has claimed to be hunted down by Russians on the assumption that she was a British spy, has earned money as a $5,000-per-night prostitute, the Mirror, a British tabloid, reports. According to the outlet, she told her friends that she worked as a “honeytrap spy” for the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, seducing men for the service.

        At the same time, her 42-year-old husband Alex King, who was hospitalized after collapsing in a restaurant in Salisbury where the alleged assassination of ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia took place in March, has been suspected of dealing cocaine, ecstasy, diazepam and ketamine. Charged with 12 counts of possession, he is to face trial in London next year.”
        https://sputniknews.com/europe/201809201068189734-salisbury-poison-attack-escort/

  139. Just An Idea..Not based on any fact!

    Duck Feeding…Was D.S.Bailey also present with alleged
    meeting with A&R?

    May explain why no cctv release. Would incriminate Bailey-
    Police-Special Branch-Security Services.

    Please feel free to doubt…I thinking outside the box?

    Thanks All!

    1. Richard,

      No doubts from me.
      DSB was a minder/handler/watcher in my book.
      If one of the 5 (Sergei, Yulia, Rus, Alex, DSB) had a nerve agent, and made a move then maybe there was a spray event.
      Slow acting of course.

      1. Thanks Duncan!

        Yeah I just thinking outside ball park looking for
        lose ends?
        Slow acting of course Haha

        Many Thanks.

  140. This might be bonkers…but…if King and Shapiro were involved in 4 March and they are worried about being rubbed out, the Prezzo episode was done to draw maximum to themselves.
    An insurance policy. If they disappeared now the whole world would be looking at the circumstances, before Prezzo it would just be a fraudster and his decorative wife going off grid.

  141. Rob, that is an excellent piece. I had wondered about the proximity to the duck feeding.

    They literally, inescapable, hung around the exact area the Skirpals drove in from, and are confirmed within a minutes walk of them, just after the Skirpals fed the ducks.

    And didn’t that duck feed always feel a bit odd, especially as it was not mentioned by the cops.

    We all assumed because of the contamination thing. But the point now is, did they meet and pass something to them.

  142. I would have thought the Female Escort-s [don’t like P word] would
    have come forward by now with a story and made some money.

    Client confidentiality aside but we talking about two Russian Gentlemen
    in a crime case.
    We are assuming the alleged Escort-s are Female? Im sure witnesses
    would have disclosed this bit of information to increase the shock factor
    to the tale.

    Best Wishes.

  143. Paul, excellent summary.
    Liane, great job with the map. That makes it easier for us non-Salisbury viewers to better understand the movements.

    In the current times, we live with social media which seems to magnify the grief and impact that national events have on the whole population.
    The Westminster Bridge attack, Manchester Arena bombing as examples. The media quite naturally focus on these stories and the human impact of the tragedies. This way, people with no family, social or geographic relationship with the victims have the opportunity (if they wish) to empathise with the unfortunate victims.
    In Salisbury, Dawn died, but the Skripals did not.
    Where Salisbury is different from Manchester, Hillsborough, Westminster Bridge and sadly many more similar events, is that NO ONE WANTS TO TALK.

    In the non-Salisbury events, we have human interest stories from eye witnesses, victim’s relatives, survivors, first aiders, media follow up, spin doctors, experts, psychologists etc etc.
    In Salisbury – Nothing

    This behaviour is bizarre.

    Why would a pub manager, restaurant waiter/waitress, parent of a threatened child not want to come forward and simply state what they saw?
    Why would Ross and Mo not continue to comment on the ongoing twists and revelations of the saga?
    Ross, did you see Rus and Alex?
    Mo, did Sergei have CCTV cameras outside his house? If so, why is there no footage of Alex and Rus?
    Mr Mill Pub manager, what was Sergei wearing when you reviewed the CCTV footage with the police?
    Freya, just what were you saying at the beginning of your interview and what did you mean?
    Mr. Dauwalder, on March 4th was your CCTV time correct, did you contact the Mail before the police with this footage?

    The list of obvious questions can go on and on.

    The blanket of “ongoing investigation, therefore witnesses have been instructed not to talk will not hold up.
    HMG have their perpetrators and their “evidence”
    The Dauwalders for example are not material witnesses to anything, but the accuracy of their CCTV timestamp is vital.

    Could the Mail journalist actually mention:

    “We checked with Mr Dauwalder when we worked on this story and he confirmed the time was accurate.”

    We could call it investigative journalism.

    1. Excellent Duncan so true…Great article!

      Im not picking but may be more important in a
      Court if time on cctv from shop was in 24hr..
      Yes its accurate and I not disputing it. It cant be changed now
      but it could be used against us in future.

      Many Thanks

      a

  145. It has gone full comedy now
    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-company-award-salisbury-poisoning-suspects-with-trademark-for-chemicals-production-62925

    “Russia’s Golden Brand company has applied to trademark the phrase “Petroff & Boshiroff,” its spokesperson told The Moscow Times on Wednesday.

    “After the name gets registered, we will gift it to Bashirov and Petrov, and they can start a company if they want,” a spokesperson for the company said.
    “We did it as a marketing tool; it’s good for public relations,” she added.
    The trademark will allow its holders to manufacture and sell industrial chemicals and perfume, as well as operate fitness centers and travel agencies, the Moskva news agency reported.”

    1. Sorry shouldn’t laugh Folks! It is very funny and a Smack In Face to
      HMG-Police-Media. Haha!

      Two highly trained alleged Russian Agents bungled the operation and
      still do good,Nice Bonus!

      No different to Bankers-Managers who bungle things and leave with a
      Big Bonus. No criminal charges brought against them.

      So Funny..HaHa Thanks

    2. They might also want to trademark the phrase, “Boshiroff & Petroff.” Why are they using the spelling, “off” for the last syllable of both names instead of, “ov?” Trademark the “ov” versions of the names in both orders, as well.

      1. So if it goes to Court HMG-Theresa May can say they not same Suspects
        using false names.
        Good BBC will back this Lie….Trust Me

  146. By ‘eck! The’s trouble at t’ Mill:
    .
    .
    The press coverage of S&Y’s visit to The Mill is very thin indeed. Almost nothing. The following quotes are all I could find. Yet what there is tells a strange… no, a ‘worrying’ tale. The first report was in The Guardian:

    A worker at the Mill said Skripal and his daughter came into the pub on Sunday afternoon, enjoyed a drink and a laugh and left together. “All seemed completely normal,” he said.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/06/counter-terrorism-take-on-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-poison-case
    6 Mar 2018 19.41 GMT

    The next was a piece in The Times:

    Kris Smith, 28, a regular, said the pub was quiet on Sunday afternoon but he had not noticed Mr Skripal, who he had seen there a couple of time before, as he was watching football on television.
    “He would have been there the same time as me, there were about three people at the pool table, four downstairs and there were five upstairs,” Mr Smith said. “I’ve seen him before on his own two to three times normally on his own at the bar.”
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-spy-sergei-skripal-was-easy-to-find-at-pub-restaurant-or-railway-club-t80jfbjxm
    March 8 2018, 12:01am

    So to read the first two reports, you would think it was all pretty quiet and ‘completely normal’. The Times actually interviewed a named individual who was there – albeit he didn’t see Sergei. He does, however, tell us that there were only about a dozen guests there at the time. .

    It would seem that ‘somebody’ felt that there was not enough drama in the ‘Tale of T’ Mill’ and that it needed spicing up a bit… so although witnesses from Zizzi and the bench in The Maltings were nearly all reported on 5 and 6 March, witnesses from The Mill were strangely reticent until 8 March when they suddenly found their tongues and gushed forth.

    The next 2 reports were from the Independent:

    Forensic tests are focusing on his home in Salisbury, a branch of the Zizzi restaurant chain and The Mill pub in Salisbury, where witnesses say Mr Skripal began to behave in an agitated manner.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sergei-skripal-freelance-spying-targeted-russian-spy-double-agent-poisoning-nerve-agent-salisbury-a8246686.html
    8 March 2018 22:29

    Forensic tests have also been carried out at a branch of the Zizzi restaurant chain and The Mill pub in Salisbury, where witnesses say Mr Skripal began to behave in an agitated manner following lunch with his daughter.
    A witness who saw the pair a short time earlier in The Mill pub said Mr Skripal was behaving “erratically” and shouting loudly at one point – behaviour that could be linked to the onset of his symptoms.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/russian-spy-latest-updates-sergei-skripal-home-nerve-agent-poisoning-salisbury-police-officer-nick-a8248196.html
    9 March 2018 16:30

    WOW! Only 2 items and we already have Sergei: agitated, erratic and shouting loudly – does anybody else think that sounds a bit too much like Zizzi? How could Kris Smith have failed to notice Sergei ‘shouting loudly’ and how many people did The Independent speak to? People tend to use the same adjectives if they are interviewed more than once and The Independent actually expanded its article. It sounds like at least 2 witnesses to me – how did they find them? Plus the first speculation about ‘the onset of symptoms’… The next piece came from the Telegraph:

    Witnesses have said that after eating at Zizzi’s restaurant they went to the Mill pub where Mr Skripal appeared unsteady on his feet, as if “drunk” – even though he had only ordered a single glass of white wine – suggesting the effects of the nerve agent were rapidly taking effect.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/10/poisoned-police-officer-not-hero-just-job/
    10 MARCH 2018 • 6:53PM

    Well that is clearly not the same witnesses and we can add: unsteady and drunk to the list. In only 3 news items, we now have a Sergei who was: agitated, erratic, shouting loudly, unsteady and drunk. And note that none of these witnesses are named – and The Telegraph spoke of ‘witnesses’ (plural) not just a single ‘witness’ – so at least two then. In fact how many witnesses have we just heard from? There were only a dozen or so people as potential witnesses and we must have at least 4 or 5 of them already! We also have twice heard that it might be ‘the onset of symptoms’, or words to that effect… whose words are those?

    The BBC then introduced a little sanity to the proceedings… but it is not clear that their witness was actually in the Mill at the same time as the Skripals:

    Steve Cooper, who was at the Mill pub with his wife and dog for a couple of hours last Sunday afternoon, told the BBC he was outraged. He said he would now wash his shoes, watch and phone but feared using baby wipes would not get rid of a nerve agent.
    Some of his friends, who had been in the pub at the same time and seen Mr Skripal head to the toilet, could not remember what they had been wearing that day, he added.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43362673
    11 March 2018

    Undaunted by the fact that Mr Cooper couldn’t actually give any first hand evidence, the BBC nevertheless interviewed him on video on 11 March:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43362673

    Are we really to believe that the UK’s ‘flagship’ broadcaster couldn’t find a better witness? The BBC’s item was 3 days after The Independent had first published. Why did the BBC not ask them for contact details of an actual witness? The Independent had found two!

    The next in to bat was The Mirror:

    One pub worker said: “Skripal and Yulia came in and ordered white wine but didn’t stay for long. I don’t even think they drank their drinks before quickly leaving. The man seemed quite agitated when they left.”
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/restaurant-staff-told-burn-clothes-12170432
    22:16, 11 MAR 2018

    So… they didn’t finish their drinks… At least we know this witness was a ‘pub worker’ – and thankfully no new adjectives but there is ‘agitated’ again; but it is odd that his evidence is not consistent with his fellow worker who had said: “a drink and a laugh… completely normal” and he was the first to be interviewed and published – it is now more than a week after the event.

    There is one more piece that I have saved until last. It was published by the Daily Mail on 9 March but not as a part of their own reporting, it appears as a separate item published within one of their reports. Produced by Claire Duffin and “Inderdeep Bains” (whoever that is):
    .
    .
    Spy looked unsteady on feet as he drank in pub
    by Claire Duffin and Inderdeep Bains

    The poisoned Russian spy was unsteady on his feet in a pub less than an hour before he was found collapsed, a witness has revealed.
    Sergei Skripal went for a drink with his daughter at 3pm at The Mill in Salisbury after eating at a Zizzi Italian restaurant.
    In the pub, they ordered two glasses of wine before Mr Skripal went to use the toilet. The witness, who did not want to be named, said that when he returned he appeared as if he was drunk.
    He said Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia then left immediately without finishing their drinks.
    ‘I didn’t really notice them when they came in,’ he said. ‘They got their drinks from the bar and sat down. After a short time the man went to use the toilet. They are upstairs. I noticed him when he came back down as he wasn’t walking properly.
    ‘He looked like he was drunk. I thought the staff might have to ask him to leave.
    ‘He came back to the table and didn’t sit down, he and the woman just left straight away.
    ‘It was strange, but it makes you wonder now if the poison was starting to take effect then.’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5483879/Sleepy-cul-sac-house-Britains-biggest-crime-scene.html
    21:17 GMT, 9 March 2018

    Again, no name for the witness, pity… and why didn’t the BBC try to find this witness? Anyway, we can immediately spot the references to: ‘leaving without finishing their drinks’; “it makes you wonder now if the poison was starting to take effect then”; and, we also have ‘unsteady’ and ‘drunk’ from our list; so possibly the same witness but rather more detail. In fact a LOT more detail. I do wonder why this witness thought: “staff might have to ask him to leave” – for all he knew Sergei was having a heart attack! Seems a bit callous. I think this detail over-eggs the pudding – they were just too keen to try to tell us how wobbly Sergei was.
    .
    .
    So what have we got here? Clearly there was felt to be a need to change the narrative – we couldn’t have S&Y enjoying a ‘completely normal’ drink. So the MSM changed the story and first out of the block was The Independent which ‘assumed’ the behaviour exhibited in Zizzi was a safe bet, so they had a couple of ‘witnesses’ saying Sergei was: agitated, erratic and shouting loudly… but that was before the ‘Inderdeep Bains’ piece had been ‘shared’ and The Independent found itself on its own. Nobody else noticed Sergei ‘shouting loudly’ – pity.

    Thereafter, only the BBC piece is not easily recognised as being based on the ‘Inderdeep Bains’ piece but they spoke to someone who it appears wasn’t even in The Mill at the right time.

    So who is the witness? Could it be the Mirror’s ‘pub worker’ – well no because the Inderdeep Bains witness thought: “staff might have to ask him to leave”, implying the witness was not himself ‘staff’ – even though it is miraculous The Mirror ‘pub worker’ had some of the same lines! It is clearly someone ‘downstairs’ but anyone playing pool in the alcove at the far left of the bar would probably be watching his/her own game and would not have a view of the main seating area anyway… so that only leaves the 4 people downstairs, Kris Smith mentioned.

    There was one table (nearest the kitchen) with a panel behind it and if 2 people were sitting there, facing the kitchen doors, it is possible that they might not have been noticed by someone quickly scanning the room from near the TV. Let’s say that was where S&Y were and that Kris Smith’s count of 4 excluded S&Y – he did say that he did not see Sergei after all. If the 4 people included himself, then there were 3 others.

    We have a problem – The Independent has already reported from at least 2 witnesses and the Telegraph spoke of witnesses (plural) who clearly were not the same witnesses as The Independent found, so that is at least 2 more. Plus Kris Smith…am I the only one thinking this all sounds a bit odd? We now have more ‘witnesses’ than people downstairs in the pub! We already need one extra person just to account for those witnesses and we might still need to add one more for Inderdeep Bains to interview. That could be up to 8 people downstairs (including S&Y), not the 4 Kris Smith noticed!

    Being as generous as possible and saying the 4 people did not include Kris Smith and the Inderdeep Bains witness was one already heard from – The MSM managed to find and interview EVERY single person sitting in the downstairs area of The Mill. Credible?

    It is possible that Inderdeep Bains contacted Kris Smith and spoke to one of his friends late on 8 March or sometime on 9 March – but wouldn’t the BBC have thought of that too and got an actual witness if it could? Or the BBC could have asked the police for a few names and phone numbers: how did Inderdeep Bains trump the BBC; is that actually plausible?

    ‘Somebody’ is lying. This is just not the truth, in fact it is far worse than that, the clear overlap of different parts of the ‘story’ in different publications, without any accreditation, is clear evidence of a conspiracy. This has been organised. What is the chance that The Mirror’s ‘pub worker’ and Inderdeep Bains witness would mention that S&Y did not finish their drinks? How close do you have to be to see if a glass of white wine is empty or not? And whose idea was the ‘onset of symptoms’ line? The Independent used it BEFORE the Inderdeep Bains item was published, yet Inderdeep Bains found the ‘witness’ who said it.

    We don’t just have the Met hiding evidence and lying and faking time stamps on images, we have an MSM that is complicit in the conspiracy.

    Standards of journalism in the UK?

    I have sent an email to The Independent Press Standards Organisation asking them to investigate.

    1. Acknowledgement received.

      “Dear Paul,
      Thank you for contacting the Independent Press Standards Organisation.

      Your complaint is currently being assessed by IPSO’s staff, and we will be in touch with you again shortly. …”

      That was very prompt of them. Impressive. I shall let you all know what happens.

      2. Paul,
        That reminds me to follow up on my acknowledged complaint with the Wiltshire Police Professional Standards regarding my complaint about the duck feed boys being in harms way and the delay in contacting the parents.

      1. No she appears to be real. Here is her Linkedin page with a photo:

        At thw Daily Mail April 2011 – Present 7 years 6 months
        https://uk.linkedin.com/in/inderdeep-bains-2b025532

        Inderdeep Bains, chief reporter for the Slough and Royal Borough Observer wins £500 cash and a week’s work experience at the Daily Mail
        https://www.journalism.co.uk/news/young-local-reporter-wins-award-for-raoul-moat-victim-story/s2/a541026/

        Interdeep is an Indian name meaning “Light of the lord”. More often a boy’s name though.

        2. Denise I did see that but Inderdeep Bains articles are extremely spasmodic and then there is the other named reporter for the piece Claire Duffin. This is her Twitter account. For a reporter, she does not seem to tweet very often:

          https://twitter.com/cduffin1?lang=en

          She is also listed as a news reporter for The Sunday Telegraph. This is The Telegraph’s page listring her previous articles:

          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/claire-duffin/

          Nothing…

          1. Paul! Please stop..I got giggles Hahaha
            Fantastic wording so funny!

            Sorry Folks this is serious stuff but You All Great!

            1. Denise, I saw that too and I do not doubt for a second that they are real… but I don’t know much more about them.

              1. Paul I think Claire looks like she might be a part time freelancer. She seems to write one or two stories a week, most are exaggerated/sensational. She hawks them around the worlds tabloids with the DM picking up the most.

                I guess the MI56 hoax required Sergei to be staggering around poisoned in the Mill before leaving for Zizzis, then the bench and Claire could have provided embellished exactly that.

                1. Thanks Denise. It sounds quite likely. I will send her a message and see if we get a response. No harm in trying.

  147. Marie @ All
    Here is a map of the locations of R&B in Fisherton and the Skripals in the Maltings, including the way of the BMW to Sainsbury’s car park.
    Everybody is free to use it and download it.

    https://ibb.co/mJicjz

    1. Super map Liane.

      The railway station is just off the map at upper left. The Shell filling station and Chez Skripal are about a mile further on in the same general direction.

    4. You don’t know the Skripals car went that route, it’s not the way I would have gone, too congested, traffic lights, crossings, bus stops

    6. I expanded the map a little.
      http://i66.tinypic.com/25srl2w.jpg
      2 things to mention: Skripal had two possible ways to go to the Maltings car park.
      On both ways he would be captured on CCTV.
      The “suspects” had a good chance (just one possibility) to walk up Summerlock Ap. wait for Skripal at the car park and walk with him until they split somewhere close to the playground. Via Mill they would be back at Dauwalder’s in time.
      If they met Skripal at about 13:40 then they had no chance to go to the trash container in Ivy St after that meeting. The door handle timeline therefore is the only way to a) poison Skripal and b) to have enough time to reach Ivy St. In this case a later meeting at the car park makes no sense at all because the slow-slower-slowest acting poison showed no symptoms at that time and the assassins wouldn’t know if their door handle poisoning was successful. It would be dangerous to shake Skripals hand for a deal or to say good bye. So, why planning such a meeting unsure about the success but throwing away the poison before such a meeting? Makes no sense.
      Imho there was no poisoning prior to the duck feeding nor in one of the restaurants. For all we were told about Novichok it might kill after a while but the symptoms start within seconds. (We see Skripal with a beer in his right hand at the hand doesn’t look like shaking very much.)
      I still believe that the poisoning took place close to the bench and the door handle maybe was contaminated later as a distraction or red herring.
      So MAYBE these Russians met with Sergej for any other secret reason and MAYBE by mediation of Yulia and MAYBE someone found out about this (secret) meeting and planned to poison Skripal and to use the Russian “tourists” as the perfect patsies. If something like this happened then it would be consecutive that Yulia had to read a statement and Sergej wasn’t seen anymore. The two Russians of course would have to deny everything because the hypothetical truth about such a meeting might endanger Skripal and Yulia who are somewhere and hopefully alive without telephone and internet just like Assange. No president on earth is that “save”.
      I wonder if the police has the chance to ask Skripal some questions like “Were you at home after 12:00?”

      Did you notice that the timeline for the Shell image is probably wrong too? According to their arrival at the station they had only 10 minutes to walk that way. It’s not impossible but it’s a brisk walk.
      https://www.verywellfit.com/how-fast-is-brisk-walking-3436887

      The BBC made a “Skripal suspects’ walk through Salisbury” video. Of course, the video stops at the Shell gas station and a title says “10 minutes” even if Google maps says 16min. They took the shorter way and ran into at least 4 CCTV cameras before reaching Wilton St.
      https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/1041531671240224776

      1. Michael wrote : „We see Skripal with a beer in his right hand at the hand doesn’t look like shaking very much.“

        Micha, the photo is NOT taken on March 4, 2018 but in 2016 !!!
        The man in the mirror is Sergei´s son Alexander (Yulia´s brother).

        Not a single photo or video exists that shows the Skripals on March 4.

        From day one I never had a doubt that the Skripals were poisoned near the bench.
        For me it is a FACT.

        1. Liane,

          You posted on the last chapter:

          “Hello Bede,
          a well elaborated analysis.

          You see as a fact that the Skripals were in Zizzis and Mill Pub.
          But you do not see it as a fact that they were the couple on the bench.

          That would imply that the Skripals never arrived in the SDH.
          And that’s where I have big problems. I just do not want to believe that all the witnesses, first responders and medical staff are lying or keep silent.”
          ‘
          ‘
          If I may say so, that is like a juror refusing to convict an obvious murderer because the juror does not agree with the death penalty.

          It is not the evidence that is in doubt, it is the consequences of accepting that evidence as the truth that causes the difficulty.

          There is clear evidence that this is the biggest cover up the UK has ever seen. We know the PM has lied to parliament. We know The Metropolitan Police has doctored images. If it is all a huge cover up, how will we ever expose that cover up if we reject evidence of the cover up – because it is just too horrible to belive that so many ‘good’ people would take part?

          What happened on 9/11? How many ‘good’ people were silenced?

          Since I wrote a few days ago about Freya’s evidence I have found one more reference via archived material.

          This is what ITN reported on 6 March:

          ““Freya Church, 27, who spotted the pair “slumped” on a bench, said the couple in the CCTV images were “100%” the same people she had seen.
          “He was slumped … and she was slumped into his chest, leaning on him. They looked like they had been there a little while,” she told ITV News.”
          http://www.itv.com/news/2018-03-05/two-people-in-critical-condition-after-being-exposed-to-unknown-substance-in-salisbury/

          There is absolutely no evidence from 5, 6 or 7 March that it was the Skripals on the bench.

  148. “@journalrebecca: @amandanewb If that’s the case then I would be questioning why we’re being told it’s not being treated as suspicious… Takes it from being vague to an outright lie in those circumstances. But nothing to say investigations are ongoing so far”

    Rebecca Hudson finally showing some gumption after CC Kier Pritchard’s tweet of yesterday.
    I hope she demonstrates this new found journalistic spirit by asking Dauwalders about the time stamp and interviewing Aiden Cooper’s mum about duck-feeding.

  149. Worked out what was different in my filling out the form.
    I must thank Duncan for pointing out the hilarious Sun article of 16th Sept. It keeps me laughing, the alleged top notch Russian GRU assassins, Boshirov and Petrov partying loudly with a prostitute in London. Guests describe ‘the stench of cannabis’ wafting through the corridor, one outraged guest banging loudly on their door 4 times. No wonder they didn’t want to explain all they did in Britain! Difficult to imagine professional ‘hitmen’ of the Russian Gru wanting to draw such attention to themselves, prior to carrying out the poisoning crime in Salisbury.
    Wonder how PM May and co, are coping with these hilarious revelations? They must be desperate to avoid any mention of the party-happy, holidaying Russians. And the cleaner of the room left in such a mess that they spent hours tidying up, yet didn’t suffer novichok symptoms?

    So the article, along with Rob’s analysis should be sent to all MPs. It all puts the nail in the coffin of the ‘novichok’ story. But still they keep rigid faces. Russia has to be smeared no matter the facts say otherwise. This is the devilish part. What about forming Russia friendship societies to dilute the highly toxic anti-Russia propaganda?

  150. My replies are now meeting with repeated instructions to try to fill in the form again, although I am doing what is requested and it worked before.
    Is there something wrong?

    Thanks Rob for your latest article and painstaking work on the new CCTV footage compared with police time lines, showing the 2 Russians leisurely walking around Salisbury and back into the town, as one does when away on holiday in a foreign country. Except that according to the official story, this was just after the time they were supposed to have poisoned the Skripals. It certainly isn’t, as you say, the behaviour you would expect of 2 trained intelligence officers after carrying out an attempted assassination using a poisonous weapon on a door knob.

    1. My replies are now meeting with repeated instructions to try to fill in the form again…
      ——————————————-
      I began having that problem myself, but I found that if I close the tab, reopen a new one, and fill in a new reply, there is no longer any problem.

  151. This should raise a smile on the faces of Blogmirers!

    From “Colonel Cassad,” popular Russian military and international affairs blogger (machine translation):
    After it became clear that a “deadly nerve agent with almost 100% lethal outcome” can kill only a random British drug addict, and then, a few months later, the GRU returned to more verified recipes.
    – Comrade General, “Novice” does not work, what should I do?
    “Take a bottle of rat poison” and go to Salisbury, we still have a lot of work there, do not forget the photo of the cathedral, and this time without prostitutes and drugs.

  152. Petrov and Boshirov said that they did not go to Stonehenge on the 4th because of “the heavy rain about “обед ” time” (Russian lunch time from 1PM to 2 PM https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B4 )

    Police images at 13:05 show that the pavement is very wet after the rain while images at Dauwalders show that the pavement is dry, so it was taken before the rain and before the 13:05 police photos.
    Moreover, Petrov and Boshirov did not have umbrellas, so they were hiding somewhere during the rain (cafe? shop?), accounting for some of their time.
    Sorry, Is it possible to confirm with the owner that the time stamp on CCTV video at Dauwalders is correct?
    Thank you

  153. Can someone here help out those that have never been Salisbury and are reliant on maps to get a better orientation?

    I can see that Dauwalders is on the north side of Fisherton and the two men are headed west (roughly) towards the train station. From Dauwalders west, my map shows Summerlock Approach first and Fisherton bridge further west. That must be wrong and the order is backwards for Images 6 and 7 if they were headed west. Image #7, is Fisherton parallel to the two men, are they on the north side of Fisherton, looking towards Summerlock Approach, and heading west? Would they need to cross to the south side of Fisherton to get to the train station?

    At a leisurely pace beginning at 13:49 from Dauwalders, when would they have gone through the station turnstiles? Adding an hour to the Met times for #6 & #7 is somewhat close if they dawdled, but that totally begs the question of why the Met would alter the timestamps.

    1. Hi Marie,

      I’ll try. The bridge the men are photographed on in image 6 is in between the Mill pub and the Kings Head Inn. I’m not sure if it has a name, although I seem to recall Peter referring to it as the Pudding Bridge.

      Dauwalders is on the other side of the road, 50 yards or so, towards the train station.

      Summerlock Approach is then another 50-100 yards up Fisherton Street, on the same side as Dauwalders, heading towards the train station.

      At a leisurely pace beginning at 13:49 from Dauwalders, I would estimate that they would have got to the station and through the turnstile no sooner than 13:54.

      Why would they alter the time stamp? My guess — and it’s only a guess — is that someone didn’t want it to be known that they were anywhere close to Sainsbury’s / Avon Playground between 13:40 and 13:50. But that may be wrong.

      1. Thanks, Rob. I think I’ve got it now.

        For confirmation, in Image 6 the men are walking west on the south side of Fisherton/Bridge St. Assuming they had been on the south side of the Bridge St for at least a block, they would have walked past the Kings Head Inn and approaching The Clock Tower. The Mill is north (somewhat) and on the opposite side of Bridge St (somewhat) from the location of the Kings Head.

        If this were a continuous journey, they would have crossed the street no further west than Malthouse Ln.

        Backing up. If they had walked to the Cathedral isn’t Fisherton/Bridge St to High Street a reasonable route? Then returning the same way. Based on the Dauwalders CCTV timestamp, they had time to check out the other side of Fisherton on their return. Then crossed back over Fisherton when they were near the train station.

        Will have to consider further why Met CT would have altered the times for #6, #7, and #8 and ended up with an irrational mishmash.

        1. Marie, in the 13.05 and 13.08 picture they are heading West.
          In 13.49 they are heading West on the same street.
          I think what you are saying is they walked East to the Cathedral on the South side Fisherton St. at an unknown time then, at 13.05 were coming back on the South side but crossed to the North side.
          If the Dauwalders timestamp is wrong that makes sense.
          I just tweeted Rebecca Hudson pleading with her to ask Dauwalders.

          1. What I was trying to sort out is if the Met CT time claims for #6 and #7 and Dauwalders could all be true and a plausible narrative could fit with it. And if not, what would be a more plausible timeline and narrative. Also factoring in images #4, #5, and #8.

            I merely offered one suggestion that set the Dauwalders CCTV as totally authentic and #6 and #7 as authentic except for the time claim. That suggestion conforms with Boshirov and Petrov’s claim to having visited at least the area of the Cathedral and effectively destroys the poison on the doorknob narrative.

    2. @Marie – it’s not a question of why the Met “would alter the timestamps, ” it’s why they would edit out perfectly good timestamps from CCTV footage and substitute timestamp captions in the publicly released stills. Compare Saturday’s station image to the two from Sunday – they’re very different, art timestamps and resolution. None of the Sunday photos from government-operated cameras have embedded timestamps, only the one from Wilton Road.

      @Rob – I agree that the Dauwalders video destroys the police timeline. Unsurprisingly, in this case, neither the police, the Daily Mail, or any other reporter has has explained this conundrum.

      1. Above, I wrote, “art timestamps and resolution.” Replace “art” with “with regard to” and the sentence should be understandable.

        1. @ DavidC,

          Thanks for the clarification. I thought you meant ‘artificial.” It’s all clear to me now.

      2. Thanks DavidC — that was sloppy writing on my part. Should have said deleted the timestamps and claimed a time for these images. As we’ve previously discussed, the only embedded timestamps in the Met CT montage are #1, 2, 3, and 5. And Petrov and Boshirov have claimed that #1 and #2 are inauthentic as they went the same channel together (single file).

        1. But the two guys never said they walked through the same channel together, ie. the exit channels as in the photos. They meant that they walked towards the passport control desk together (for non-Europeans) because one of them didn’t speak English so well. THEN they exited into the waiting area through different exit lanes at exactly the same time. No problem… just pure coincidence… not doctored photos.. and they never even remembered doing it because it was uneventful… you just walk ahead.

          1. Are you in the habit of disputing factual statements? Forcing someone like me to waste time pulling up the transcript and abstracting what Boshirov and Petkov said about Images #1 and #2 that supports what I said that they said.

            https://www.rt.com/news/438356-rt-petrov-boshirov-full-interview/

            BOSHIROV: We always go through the gate together. Through the same gate, with the same customs officer. One after another. We walked through that corridor together. We’re always together. As to how it happened – us walking there at the same second and then separately – I think it’s a question that should be put to them.

            PETROV: Yeah, on the point of us always going through it together – my English is a bit better, so if any problem crops up, I’m there to help Ruslan out.

            SIMONYAN: So you went through together? You didn’t take different corridors?

            PETROV: No, we never go through separately.

            BOSHIROV: No, never.

          2. You clearly have not seen this video:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2r5lY1sF08

            The video shows that the 2 images at Gatwick were taken with the same camera – the dirt pattern on the camera lens is shown to be the same in both pictures. The timestamps are therefore forgeries – fake!

            If The Met faked those images, then the other images are also called into doubt.

            Like everything else in this case it is all ‘official’ lies.

  154. I read a story a while back, about a doctor and his patient. It reminds me of how the UK government tries to convince me the story is so true.

    Dr. Carl Tanzler did all he could to keep his patient ‘alive.’

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/elena-milagro-hoyos-portrait-corpse-love.jpg

    I can’t blame him. But when he shows me the ‘love of his life’

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/side-by-side-tanzler-hoyos-corpse-love.jpg

    I do notice something’s wrong with the ‘alive’ bit of it. here’s the story.

    So, UK government, how long are you going to drag your ‘corpse’ around? It’s already falling apart at the seams, so you’d better hurry…

  155. MET released their CCTV on September 5 late in the morning.
    Mr. Dauwalder´s CCTV footage was published on September 6 at 13:03 BST.
    So he was quick to look at his footage and sell it to the DailyMail.
    By the way : Why the DailyMail and not the SalisburyJournal ???
    Did he contact the MET before or after ?
    Or was it even a wanted leak of the MET ? WHY ?

    Nobody has asked Mr. Dauwalder WHY he stored the CCTV.
    Did the police asked all owners of private CCTVs to store the footage around March 4 ?
    NO. Not in a public call.
    Has the police visited or addressed all operators of private CCTVs ?
    As far as I know NOT.
    So it was either a personal initiative of Mr. Dauwalder or he always keeps his material for more than 6 months.
    “Surprisingly,” the man does not answer such questions anymore since the MET knows about its existence.

    I wrote in the last thread that R&B could have met the Skripals at Summerlock Approach.
    That is even nearer then the Avon Playground. In this case the meeting time would be around 1:35pm.

    Has the MET this meeting on CCTV ?
    If Avon Playground – certainly. If Summerlock Approach maybe not.
    I would imagine that R & B spied this meeting point the day before, a place outside of CCTVs.
    Purpose of the meeting possibly : Travel documents in exchange for evidence against Steele.

    2. @Liane, the Daily Mail didn’t explain how or when they got the footage. As you mentioned, I think it’s just as likely the footage was leaked from someone inside the investigation who finally developed a smidgen of morality and/or has a grudge against someone.

      I would guess that it’s relatively easy to copy footage from a modern digital CCTV system to a storage device. I recall comments in previous posts suggesting Dauwalders management could have made copies for both the police and their own safekeeping within days of March 4.

    3. R&B could have met the Skripals at Summerlock Approach.

      […]I would imagine that R & B spied this meeting point the day before, a place outside of CCTVs.
      —————————————–

      It’s interesting that they would spy out a meeting place without CCTVs, then after the meeting go and dawdle in front of Dauwalder’s CCTV.

      (“R&B” — aka “A&R” and “R&A”)

    4. But why did the coin shop’s owner focus on these two Russians looking in the window on March 6th when nobody knew what the two Russians looked like till months later?

  156. Lots of other people were close to Skripals on that Sunday. Why pick the two?

    The police found them because they were concentrating on Russians who were entering the country on Friday or Saturday and leaving the country on Sunday.
    That is why most of the CCTV is from airports and stations. They then checked if they were on CCTV anywhere close to Skripal’s house.
    From 2012
    “For example, 17 per cent of German tourists want to go to the Highland Games, 41 per cent of Russians would like to see the sun rise at Stonehenge and a rather modest 19 per cent of Americans fancy going shopping at Harrods.”
    Russians go crazy on Stonehenge tours.
    https://stonehengetrips.com/tag/russian-speaking-tour-guides/

    1. By the way the two were not looking at the coins in Dauwalders shop but at the “Budding Chef” poster bottom left. I would quite like one of them for my kitchen, it is funny.

    2. Unfortunately, for those of us who prefer peace to “regime change”, Rob’s analysis that these two Russians were loitering near the playground, a favorite meeting place for spies, supposedly, where and whenSkripal chose to feed ducks, makes the suspicion that they were there for nefarious purposes much more likely. If Skripal did, as many suspect, help Steele draft the infamous dossier, rather than his being afraid of MI6 getting rid of him to hide British official involvement, it could explain Russian officialdom’s renewed animus towards him – after generously allowing him to leave and retire in the U. K., Skripal used his background to damage Russian interests irreparably by enabling American hawks put the screws to Russia because of Trump’s supposed compromised position. The damage from that dossier is going to last for decades, and it is seriously harming Russia’s national interests – this could be the “revenge” cited by May, et al.

      1. Thanks Zee and, yes, that is fair conjecture as to Russian discontent with Sergei and Steele. Sometimes I consider other aggrieved parties and revenge seekers and consider these:

        Trump would like to have Sergei and Yulia on the earliest black flight to the USA after the damage done to his family, campaign and presidency PLUS Trump’s desire to pay back Clinton and her mafia backers for the attack.

        Putin would like revenge on Sergei for fouling up his relations with the USA. After all Hillary was easier to deal with when it comes to capitalism and Russia buying US uranium mines.

        Steele may be unhappy with Sergei who may be demanding a bonus given the enormity of the work value he contributed. Steele has good contacts who could help.

        The conflict between mafiosi resulting from Trump’s election and perhaps Sergei and Yulia’s activities in unmasking business associates could simply have placed them in the ‘elimination stakes’.

        Theresa May and the UK deep state need to get rid of these two pronto before they end up in US congressional or judicial inquiries.

        All pure conjecture on my part but yet to be eliminated one by one until the end formula is revealed. An extra hour of cctv release would be of great assistance so come on Basu, we are here to help, lets see the cctv.

        Thanks Rob don’t we love timelines on this site :))

      2. The dossier has been exposed as fabricated and the consequences of that for the plotters have only just begun with the executive order from President Trump to declassify much of the documentation related to obtaining FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign and the texts and emails sent by the conspirators. This will eventually implicate many in the Obama administration, including Obama and Clinton, the PMs of the UK and the heads of British intelligence, the heads of the FBI and CIA and various officers of both. There has never been anything like it in American or British history. Governments will fall. It is really shocking what is about to be revealed.

        The Skripal affair is certainly connected with all of this but the motivation is all on the side of the British and American criminals. They have been shown to be desperate to cover up and destroy all they can to prevent their arrest and prosecution. I have no doubt they will fail to do so. Their cells have already been readied for the at Guantanamo Bay.

      3. Hi Zee,

        I’m not sure I’d agree with this. Whilst it seems to me fairly likely that the two guys had something to do with events that day (their explanation that they came to see Stonehenge, but only got to Salisbury after 2pm on the Saturday is fairly ridiculous), I am certain it was nothing to do with applying poison to a door handle. That’s too ludicrous for any thinking person to accept.

        But it is what the Met says they did.

        Now, if their visit to the centre of town had been to poison the Skripals, what possible reason would the Met have for not identifying the location of the poisoning as the town centre (Avon playground / Mill perhaps). Why on earth would they come up with a cock and bull story about the door handle, if they knew it took place elsewhere, and that explanation made sense?

        I think the most likely explanation is that these guys were doing something, but highly unlikely that it was poisoning anyone.

        1. The reason for British intelligence, as with all intelligence agencies, to have the Met lie in public is the same everywhere: “national security”. – in this case, disinformation to confuse the Russians (making them wonder what trail the Brits are actually following). And the alleged assassins, noted for their peripatetic travels for their “health supplement” business, which, as several people have noticed, may include not-quite legal substances, added to the suspicion expressed by other commenters that Sergei himself may have been dabbling in the trade of illegal drugs, means that if the two were used by Russian intelligence, they would have used them to bait Skripal with an import-export scheme. Liane’s suggestion that they were passing travel documents may be viable, but that gets us back to a less likely scenario in which the boys pass the travel documents, but Sergei and Yulia end up being kidnapped by a Trump, anti-Trump or embarassed Brit faction. I hate to say it because I don’t want to believe it, but the timing suggests a Russian hit. Do I think Putin authorized it? Not necessarily – “patriotic” Russians, betrayed by Sergei years ago and disappointed with “New Russia’s” leniency, might have decided to make him shut up for once. As for David Robertson’s reference to Trump’s order to release unredacted classified documents, apparently he has not yet heard that the DOJ and FBI are refusing to do so – they are redacting the documents to protect those involved.

      4. Zee Piers wrote : „The damage from that dossier is going to last for decades, and it is seriously harming Russia’s national interests…“

        Not in the case the dossier is debunked. And it already is and will be more in future.
        Not in the case it is proven that Steele still worked for the MI6 and that the UK Government was indeed meddling in the US election.

        A Sergei who wants to talk to the FSB would have been of much more value than a dead Sergei.

        Read this :
        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/exclusive-christopher-steele-was-in-contact-with-british-mi6-and-russian-svr-during-the-2016-election/

        1. You clearly do not live here in the U.S. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew the dossier was B.S. when it was revealed, but it served its purpose: Hillary supporters (a hair over 50% of the American voting public) believe that Trump colluded with Russia, and our hawks now use that to bludgeon Trump into being “tough” on Russia. And since the DOJ and FBI are refusing to release unredacted documents, Trump will never be allowed to reveal the truth – that he is not colluding and that Hillary is proving the truth of the old saying that, “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.” She is feeding Joe Public’s need here to hate the winner of the 2016 election.

        2. Oh, and it is supposition that Sergei wanted to talk to the FSB. None of us have any idea what Sergei was really up to or the status of his relationship with British intelligence. We do know from his selling Russian secrets to the U. K. and his continued dabbling for those who continued to pay him that he appreciates augmenting his U. K. pension. There is no reason to think that he’d not keep his mouth shut for MI6 if they offered him a substantial “bonus”.

          1. Thanks Zee the only problem with making the first payment to an extortionist is that over time the come to see it as a deposit toward the full settlement.

            1. I believe, from my reading of non-fiction works of espionage from WWI, that because killing foreign “traitors” lessens the chances of recruiting new ones, intelligence services generally accede several times before resorting to payment accompanied by a threat. So, in this case, we don’t know if Sergei had already demanded a “bonus” or several and if Orbis or MI6 had run out of patience.

      5. They have concluded “must be Russian” very early. Theresa may came out with “highly likely” March 12.

        https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-commons-statement-on-salisbury-incident-12-march-2018

        It is clear that when making the speech all she had to base here suspicion on was “by a type developed by Russia”

        From there on the police would be looking for Russian. Though spy tradecraft means that you do not travel for a hit from your own country and you do not travel by two’s.

        It is very questionable to assume the two had any relation to Skripals at all.

        2. It is very questionable to assume the two had any relation to Skripals at all.
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          That may be true, but the game here is conjecture, and the only rule is that it not conflict with proven facts. There are only a limited number of proven facts or “almost certain” facts, though, and many possible facts. So as long as you do not contradict the proven facts, you can pick and choose among the possible facts to create any number of possible scenarios.

        3. The two “supplement” salesmen may not have known that a “sample” they were asked to deliver as part if an “import-export” deal was deadly.

              1. And here’s last year’s Bloomberg article which includes the author’s obtaining fake MAC lipstick via a Russian trading company: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2017-counterfeit-makeup/ Discusses the fake cosmetics trade, using a recent raid here in t he U.S. So, the two (unknowing?) assassins are told to deliver samples. They are packaged as new high-end product. Sergei takes one or several but rejects one? He checks a sample in the WC. The two smugglers decide to ditch the rejected sample, thinking it’s just fake perfume, nothing terrible – hence, Rowley and Dawn Sturgess getting it months later.

  157. Never having been to Salisbury station I cannot be sure, but to me comparing the picture shown here, to the one that is shown of them stood around at the station on Saturday, it appears that they could quite possibly be coming out of the station at 1.50.
    To me it looks like the track is behind them through the glass door, also the red brick wall in both cases is behind them, the brownish floor is behind them and the exit gates are in front of them.
    But on Saturday the view is more panoramic and you can see the bicycles off to the left presumably outside the station, they are looking outwards (possibly at Salisbury spire), they are stood on the brownish floor and plain concrete slabs are in front of them (normally a sign of a common pavement)
    This may have been explained and put to bed previously, but I’d be interested to know.

    1. Hi Robert,

      The photo of them apparently at 13:50:56 definitely shows Boshirov coming through the turnstile from the foyer, towards the track to catch the train, either on platform 1, 4 or 6 (which is down the side). The image of them on the Saturday shows them just about to go through the turnstile having come from Platform 2, which is reached through a tunnel.

      Thanks,

      Rob

  158. So, it may be that HMG is kind of telling the truth. The alleged assassins meet Sergei in Avon Playground, pass a poisoned object to him, he checks it in The Mill Pub’s WC, gets back to Yulia already feeling the effects, she leads him out to the bench, succumbing herself. The assassins, meanwhile, drop a back-up perfume bottle somewhere for Rowley to find months later. The latest incident is coincidental. HMG’s obfuscations viz. details are simply the desire to confuse the perpetrator, Russia, with the unfortunate side-effect of making the rest of us doubt their – ahem – intelligence.

    1. If they are Russian agents, which having watched their RT interview I very much doubt, why didn’t they kill the Skripals with Novichok as it is alleged they did? Why simply incapacitate them? If it had been a military grade chemical nerve agent they would have died within minutes. It all seems to be rather slapdash and haphazard to be a professional assassination. Also if your hypothesis is true why does the official story say that the “Novichok” was smeared on the door knob? I agree that if indeed Putin were the sinister tyrant that he is made out to be then the motive you suggest could well be valid.

      However everything I have learned about the man and his conduct in international relations is the opposite of that picture. It would be out of character for him to act in such a foolish manner. The portrait that the British and American media have meticulously painted of him is far from the truth yet so many in both countries believe it. I believe this is just one reason why our societies are splintering into a thousand pieces. The truth has gone into hiding.

      1. Again, the door knob is presumably part of a disinformation campaign to confuse Russian intelligence by muddying the waters and make it unclear what the Brits actually know. And it is just as easy to presume that the claim that the substance used was ‘novichok’ is another piece of misinformation, obscuring whether or not (to Russian intelligence) the Brits know what substance (perhaps something less reliable than military-grade nerve agent) was actually used. Also, I don’t necessarily believe that this was a Putin-authorized operation. Like you, I believe Putin is more intelligent than that, but Sergei was despised by his former colleagues as a traitor, so his harming more recently Russia might have caused some of them to decide that he had to be stopped from his continued dabbling.

        1. I don’t necessarily believe that this was a Putin-authorized operation.
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          Yes, but this bungling, amateurish, ill-conceived operation– in your scenario– has greatly harmed Putin and the Russian state. Which Russian-state-associated actors would have taken the extremely high risks of causing such harm, including the enormously risky timing of the operation, right before a such critical moment in Russian politics?

          1. I think it was Liane who posted a translated interview with cousin Viktoria who was painting a rather soap-operatic picture of Yulia’s prospective mother-in-law who, according to that interview, works for Russian intelligence and couldn’t stand the thought of her son marrying the offspring of a “traitor”. Russians do not have the threat of gulag or execution hanging over them anymore, so some angry-at-Sergei’s-second-major-betrayal agents – or retired agents, explaining the old-school attitude and messiness? – might have thought they could orchestrate a deadly “trafficking deal gone bad”.

        2. In order to make sense of what you allege it is necessary to suspend all disbelief in the known perfidy and mendacity of the British intelligence services and the upper reaches of the UK government. Having done so one has to then credit them with an astonishing ability to cleverly conceal the truth under a blanket of distorted disinformation to confuse not only the British public but more importantly Russian intelligence and no doubt President Putin whose involvement in the incident they have publicly announced but which you actually discount in favour of amateur perps seeking revenge or payback or something similar. I mean it is a theory of sorts and it is admittedly intriguing but in all honesty I think it belongs more to the realm of fantasy and fiction than real life.

          In that real world of geopolitical manoeuvring it is far more likely that the entire fabrication fits neatly into the ongoing planned effort by our dear leaders to paint Russia as the “enemy” and President Putin as a sinister tyrant intent on subjugating the entire world to his will. That the Skripal event took place at the same time as the Toxic Dagger exercise, and was similarly planned well in advance, also fits neatly into the known modus operandi of these false flag incidents which have been used at regular intervals over the years to create public support for the more nefarious efforts of our ruling class. That this one is not going entirely to plan is certainly disconcerting for them but they will continue to invent ever more outrageous porkies to support their narrative because that is all they know what to do. They have never been all that creative. They are just rather dull criminals with cunning but little intelligence. You credit them with more than they deserve.

          1. You don’t know Russians. And like you, I would prefer to believe that this mess is a result of ham-handedness by an arrogant elitist bureaucracy. However, I give Rob credit for finding a fact: the 2 boys just happen to be within yards of Skripal on the day he is claimed to have been poisoned. One can argue who set this in motion (Sergei’s former colleagues, MI6, Orbis, Bill Browder, Yulya’s prospective mother-in-law or who knows who else), but I think those two, as known counterfeit-product smugglers, were asked to deliver counterfeit perfume samples which were not counterfeit perfume to Sergei. They left him with one or more samples, he rejected one which they didn’t want on them when going through British security, they dumped it, someone found it, put it in the charity bin where it found its way to Rowley. If you wish to believe that MI6 made a call to an entity like the Russian counterfeit trading company for a special delivery of samples to Sergei, go right ahead, but I think it’s much more logical that a private Russian effort with knowledge of the fringes of the Russian criminal world and knowing Sergei’s penchant for earning side income set Sergei up out of rage.

            1. What’s wrong with a guy carying a small perfume sample through the airport? Very strange that the Russians were so against the idea that it was unthinkable. All liquids have to be put into a single plastic bag and the security staff would never have asked them why they have some perfume in it, especially such a small one. So why the emphasis on them being straight guys and never dreaming of carrying perfume (which could have been for a girlfriend)?

              1. In the context of the interview and assuming they are innocent tourists whose sexual orientation was being questioned so publicly when they are at home in an anti-homosexual culture, the protest against carrying women’s perfume might have been a poorly conceived defense of their sexuality. If, on the other hand, they work or dabble in the counterfeit products trade, perfumes being a popular counterfeit good, they might have wanted to dissociate themselves from that line of work. And, of course, if tainted perfume bottles are the cause of this brouhaha, they’d want to make it clear that it couldn’t possibly be something they brought. So, plenty of reasons why they’d want to try to convince people that as grown men, they would never be carrying around perfume bottles.

          2. Oh, and just because I think it’s likely to be angry Russians doesn’t mean I let HMG off the hook. They took this and ran with it. But do you remember when May demanded that Putin explain whether this was a state-backed operation – and here’s the clue out in the open – or whether his government had “lost control of its nerve agents”? The reason HMG has been obfuscating and refuses to present its actual evidence publicly is, if I am correct, because it would show that they’ve known for quite a while that this was not state-sanctioned, probably not novichok, etc. Meanwhile, the top echelons of the Russian government can see that what is revealed in the media makes no sense, but they may not have yet been advised by their underlings of anything that reveals what really happened – all they may know is what we all know: HMG is lying.

          3. And at the end if October, 2017, Trump sanctioned 39 Russian defense and intelligence contractors, agencies and individuals: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/timeline-trumps-delays-russia-sanctions/story?id=50733408

            They went into effect January 29, 2018, a day when Reuters chose to focus on Trump’s delaying additional sanctions but noting that the October move had cost Russians billions in foreign government contracts: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-sanctions/trump-administration-holds-off-on-new-russia-sanctions-despite-law-idUSKBN1FI2V7

            So, Sergei is in the U.K. following a relatively light sentence for treason, jaunting about telling GRU secrets to anyone who will pay him a speaker’s fee, then he contributes to Steele’s dossier, screwing his homeland again and then, the ongoing hostility costs Russia’s defense establishment dearly. There are quite a few Russians with the contacts to target him who could have been pissed off enough to do so.

    2. The alleged assassins meet Sergei in Avon Playground, pass a poisoned object to him, he checks it in The Mill Pub’s WC, gets back to Yulia already feeling the effects, she leads him out to the bench, succumbing herself.
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      Why then is the result of this operation not two dead Skripals, but instead two alive Skripals hidden away somewhere by the British state, and a massively successful anti-Russian propaganda campaign?

      1. Because, as some have speculated, DS Bailey was a local cop charged with keeping an eye on Sergei – he keeps tabs on them and arrives quickly, bringing EMS with him. Given the attempt and the geopolitics, HMG puts them in “protective custody”.

    1. Ian

      I’m not surprised.

      The whole thing is a farce and a couple of people decided to make it more farcical.

      Perhaps they were trying to get May to leap in as she did in the first place?

      Stupid if true – but inevitable.

      You have to remember that all politicians rely on ” advice ” – because usually they know very little themselves.

      Glad everyone is OK though.

    2. Or BBC covering it up as Wiltshire Police Chief Constable tried
      doing yesterday.
      BBC love accusing people of having dodgy images to discredit
      the Individual. They said nothing about Mr Jimmy Fixed It and
      his history?

  160. The drugs thing is still bothering me. Those two Russians are in the health supplement business. Which may include other somewhat less-legal pills. A health supplement business provides a nice cover for such things.
    Also, given the other recent incident at a restaurant in Salisbury, I still wonder if there is some bad seafood in the restaurant supply chain … red-tide infected seafoods can stay poisonous for many months, if not years.
    From Wikipedia: “The toxins responsible for most shellfish poisonings are water insoluble, heat and acid-stable, and ordinary cooking methods do not eliminate the toxins. The principal toxin responsible for PSP is saxitoxin. Some shellfish can store this toxin for several weeks after a harmful algal bloom passes, but others, such as butter clams, are known to store the toxin for up to two years. Additional toxins are found, such as neosaxiton and gonyautoxins I to IV. All of them act primarily on the nervous system. ”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paralytic_shellfish_poisoning

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