Dear Assistant Commissioner Basu,

It is now a year since the events in Salisbury that shocked the nation, and indeed the world. Since then, your organisation has conducted an investigation into the case, and has laid out a case about what happened in a series of statements, notably those made on 5th September (no longer available on your website), in which two suspects were formally accused, and another on 22nd November, following the screening of the Panorama documentary: Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack — The Inside Story.

To those who have a superficial interest in the case, the explanations you have presented for what happened on 4th March 2018 may appear credible, especially since the British media has largely repeated them verbatim, even when they have been self-evidently flawed and contradictory. Indeed the press has steadfastly refused (or been refused) to ask some very obvious and much needed questions about them. But to those who have spent time looking at the incident, the explanations you have set out contain glaring omissions, factual errors (see here for more detail), and at least one scientific impossibility (more on this below). What I wish to do in this letter, is to set out some of the most important, and which I believe you owe it to the public to explain.


Why have we heard nothing from Sergei Skripal?

The most glaring problem with your case is the disappearance of Mr Skripal himself — and yes “disappearance” is the right word. It is now 12 months from the original incident, and about 11 months since it was announced that he had recovered. During that time there have been zero public appearances and — curiouser and curiouser — not even one public statement put out in his name. Additionally, it is known with certainty that he has not been in contact with his mother back in Russia — not on her birthday, not at New Year and not at Christmas — which has caused her great distress. This is not just odd; it is highly disturbing, especially given that Mr Skripal was said to be in the habit of contacting his mother every week prior to 4th March.

If I were to ask how you can account for this, I would anticipate an answer that includes the claim that any such statements, appearances, and contact are deemed dangerous to his security. Certain reports in the media have indeed stated or implied this. However, it will not wash, for two reasons:

Firstly, are we seriously expected to believe that the UK Intelligence Agencies are incapable of protecting Mr Skripal’s whereabouts and his safety, whether in a statement, a pre-recorded video, or in a call to his mother? The idea is self-evidently ludicrous.

Secondly, these apparent “security concerns” were somehow overcome with Yulia Skripal. Not only was a statement released in her name upon departure from Salisbury District Hospital, followed by a Reuters video of her reading out a pre-prepared statement, but she was also allowed reasonably regular contact with her family, including her cousin and grandmother — up to 24th July last year (that is, up to the point that she told her cousin that she “now understood everything”). If Yulia’s security can be protected, there is no reason that Sergei’s security can not also be guaranteed.

It is also worth noting that neither Sergei nor Yulia have once endorsed your explanation of the incident. Sergei has been silent, and as for Yulia, far from endorsing your version, in none of her statements or phone calls has she ever pointed the finger of blame at the Russian state for an assassination attempt on her and her father. In fact, she has repeatedly expressed a desire to go back to live in Russia — a very strange desire given what you claim happened to her, wouldn’t you agree?

To all intents and purposes, both Sergei and Yulia Skripal have now disappeared without trace — he since 4th March 2018, and she since 24th July 2018. In the absence of any plausible reason for this, it is reasonable to consider them both as being held against their will, without consular access, without legal representation, and without the ability to contact their next of kin. Needless to say these are very serious issues, and if confirmed would put the United Kingdom in breach of a number of international legal obligations. Yet there are of course very obvious steps that could be taken to assure the public that this is not the case.

And so I simply ask you this: what credible reason can you give as to why nothing has been heard from Mr Skripal since 4th March? Why has he been unable to contact his mother? And what credible reason can you give as to why Yulia appears to have been denied contact with her family since 24th July?


Why won’t you show where the suspects were going?

Your organisation has repeatedly stated that the CCTV footage of the two suspects at the Shell Garage on the Wilton Road shows them “in the vicinity of” and “on their way to” Mr Skripal’s house (or “the Skripal’s house” as statements bizarrely keep referring to it. Who, may I ask, is “The Skripal”?). This is misleading on two counts.

Firstly, the footage actually shows them some 500 yards or so from 47 Christie Miller Road, which cannot be conceivably described as “in the vicinity” in terms of proving that they actually went to the house. This evidence would not convince a discerning jury.

Secondly, it does not show them “on the way” to Mr Skripal’s house either. It is possible that they did go there, but the CCTV footage does not show this, since it gives no indication that they were preparing to cross the Wilton Road, which they would have had to do to get to Christie Miller Road (either via the passage to Montgomery Gardens or via Canadian Avenue).

However, there is more than this. The camera that was used to take footage of the two men covers the area where they walked past the garage, but does not cover those two routes to 47 Christie Miller Road mentioned above. What you failed to inform the public, however, is that there is another CCTV camera on the Shell garage, just past this one, that does cover these routes. As the following picture shows, it is located on the right-hand side of the front of the building (circled), facing the Wilton Road, almost exactly opposite the path to Montgomery Gardens (note: the camera that was used to take the footage that was aired is on the corner of the left-hand side of the building, just out of shot):

 

Had the two men crossed the Wilton Road to go through the passage to Montgomery Gardens, or even via Canadian Avenue, this camera would have recorded it. Had this camera recorded them going through either route, although it still wouldn’t have been conclusive proof that they went to number 47 Christie Miller Road, much less what they may have done had they gone there, it certainly would have been far more credible than the footage you did release. Yet you have chosen not to show it. Can you tell us why, and also whether the footage taken by this camera on the right of the building backs up your claims that they were “on their way” to Christie Miller Road?


Wot no CCTV?

The issue of CCTV is not just confined to what was and wasn’t shown of the two men on the Wilton Road, however. It remains a curious fact that aside from this and the other footage of them on the bridge at Fisherton Street — which by the way were released nearly nine months after the event — you have not released one bit of proper footage of the Skripals or other related events that day.

This is extraordinary, for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, such footage most certainly does exist. For example, there exists “really clear footage” of Sergei and Yulia Skripal feeding ducks with some local boys on the afternoon of 4th March, next to the Avon Playground. The time of this footage was around 13:45 which — it should be noted — is approximately 20-30 minutes after the Skripals were said to have come into contact with a nerve agent on the door handle of their home (more on this below).

Secondly, in the early days of the investigation, a number of places in the city centre were mooted as possible locations for the poisoning (namely Zizzis, The Mill pub, and the bench itself). However, despite the fact that “really clear” CCTV footage of these areas undoubtedly exists, and despite the fact that the public were being asked to come forward with information, you showed not even a second of footage of the pair in that area. The public were therefore being asked to come forward with information about two people who were on CCTV and could be clearly identified by it, but without so much as a few seconds of this CCTV being shown so that they could see what they looked like, what they were wearing, and where they were going.

All this simply adds to the nagging suspicion that this CCTV shows things that would cast huge doubt on the explanations you have given. However, it is even worse than this. In the first few days after the incident, CCTV footage was released of a couple walking through the Market Walk at 15:47, and it was stated by more than one news outlet that the pair were the Skripals. Of course it wasn’t them, and yet — given some witness statements that followed — these people were undoubtedly somehow involved in the events that followed. Yet, important as they were, they were quickly forgotten about in the days after that grainy CCTV footage of them was released, and were subsequently never mentioned by the media or the police thereafter. Why is this, since witness testimony leads to the belief that they were something to do with what happened?

What we have, then, is what you have described as a “fast moving” and “complex investigation”, in which you repeatedly appealed to the public for information, and yet refused to show the public anything of the CCTV footage that exists, which may well have helped to jog memories and so aid you in your investigations. Furthermore, since the explanation you have given for what happened (poisoning at the door handle) implies that nothing of note happened in The Maltings (other than the collapse at the bench), reasons of “national security” simply cannot apply. Therefore, what reason can you give for not showing CCTV from The Maltings to the public when you were appealing for information?


The Skripals, the suspects, the ducks and the bin

I mentioned above the CCTV footage taken of the Skripals at 13:45 on 4th March at the Avon Playground, which is in The Maltings. This is one of the most interesting incidents in the whole case, for a number of reasons.

Firstly, as already stated, the footage shows Mr Skripal and his daughter feeding ducks, with Mr Skripal actually handing bread to three local boys, one of whom apparently ate a piece, but none of whom became contaminated. This clearly suggests that Mr Skripal was not contaminated with nerve agent at that time.

Secondly, it shows Yulia carrying a red bag, which may seem inconsequential, but for the fact that the female caught on CCTV in the Market Walk (who wasn’t Yulia) was also carrying a distinctive red bag. Not to put too finer point on it, given Mr Skripal’s tradecraft, duck-feed plus distinctive red bag has a definite “signalling to someone” quality about it.

Thirdly, and most remarkably of all, given the nature of your claims, at the same time as they were feeding ducks, the two suspects — Petrov and Boshirov — were in close proximity. And when I say close proximity, I mean far closer than the distance from the Shell Garage to 47 Christie Miller Road, which you describe as being “in the vicinity”. How so?

According to the image you released of the two men at 13:08, they were standing at the entrance to Summerlock Approach, which happens to be the road that leads to the Sainsbury’s car park, which happens to be the car park where Mr Skripal parked his car approximately 32 minutes later. They were then seen on CCTV obtained by the media walking past Dauwalders (coin and stamp shop) on Fisherton Street at 13:48. Crucially, they were coming from the direction of the town.

What this means is that after being photographed at Summerlock Approach, instead of walking directly to the train station, as your timeline suggested, they went back into town, either by doubling back down Fisherton Street, or by walking in a loop through Summerlock Approach, across the car park, and through the Maltings, before heading back to Fisherton Street via Malthouse Lane.

Dauwalders, where they were seen at 13:48, is less than 200 yards from the Avon Playground, where the Skripals were filmed at 13:45. And so we have the intriguing prospect of the two alleged assassins passing less than 200 yards from the pair they are alleged to have tried to assassinate, within 3 minutes of one another. Furthermore, given that the two suspects were coming from the direction of town when they passed the shop, it is entirely possible (although by no means certain) that they had actually come from the area of the Maltings, and therefore that they had, just moments before, been in even closer proximity of the Skripals.

The fact that the two suspects were closer to the Skripals at between 13:45-13:48 than they were at 11:58 outside the Shell garage, is of course extremely interesting. But what is particularly troubling about this episode is what your organisation has done with this information.

Firstly, you have left it out of your timeline, never once mentioning that the Skripals had taken a detour to feed the ducks — and it is indeed a detour if you are walking from Sainsbury’s car park to Zizzis or The Mill — and never once mentioning that the two suspects were in that area at the same time (which is really odd, given that you are trying to make a case against them).

But secondly, although this incident was ignored in your timeline, as if it were trivial, it was obviously highly significant. The reason we can be sure of this is that on the day following the incident (5th March), a large number of military personnel were extremely focused on the bin next to the Avon Playground as these videos — here and here — make clear. Why that bin, which is a significant distance from the bench (50 yards or so), and why was it such an object of intense focus?

To leave this location out of your timeline, and to fail to inform the public of the close proximity of the suspects to the Skripals at the time of the duck feed, is frankly bizarre. What credible explanation is there for this?


The absolute impossibility of your door handle explanation

I mentioned at the start that alongside the factual errors, glaring omissions, and inconsistencies in your case, there is also an impossibility. That is the explanation that the assassination attempt was carried out using a nerve agent sprayed on the door handle of 47 Christie Miller Road.

Leaving aside the absurdity of what has been described as an “oily substance” being sprayed by an atomiser (how does that work?); leaving aside the ridiculousness of people actually spraying it without wearing proper protective clothing; leaving aside the silliness of supposing that the deed was done in broad daylight whilst Mr Skripal and his daughter were in the house; leaving aside the difficulties involved in having both victims touching the door handle on their way out of the house; and leaving aside the frankly preposterous notion that having apparently done their deed, instead of leaving Salisbury immediately, the two men then walked across town, and rather than dumping the open bottle of “Novichok” they had apparently used, they allegedly dumped a bottle they hadn’t used (remember, Charlie Rowley’s box was, according to him, cellophane wrapped) — leaving all those irrational propositions aside, as I say there is an absolute impossibility in what you are asking us to accept.

In the BBC Panorama programme, Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack — The Inside Story, which was clearly made with official approval (the ex-head of MI6 and the Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Dean Haydon, both appearing and helping in the reconstruction of what is supposed to have happened), it was claimed throughout the programme that the substance used was not only incredibly toxic, but that it could kill even with the tiniest of amounts. One of the men who worked on the original Foliant Project to create these substances, Vil Mirzyanov, was asked how much was needed to kill a person. He replied:

“To kill a person, you need only 1mg. To be sure, 2mg.”

Now this obviously gives rise to a problem, which is why didn’t it kill Mr Skripal and his daughter, since they were both allegedly contaminated with far more than 2mg of the stuff? The answer given on the programme was supplied by Mr Mirzyanov, who said:

“Maybe the dose was not high enough. Salisbury was rainy and muggy. Novichok breaks down in damp conditions, reducing its toxicity. It’s the Achilles Heel of Novichok.”

Although this might sound plausible, it runs up against the buffers of the statement released on 4th May by the OPCW, who said this about the samples they collected at sites in Salisbury, including the door handle:

“The samples collected by the OPCW Technical Assistance Visit team concluded that the chemical substance found was of high purity, persistent and resistant to weather conditions.”

These statements, taken together, mean that your explanation is an absolute impossibility. If 2mg of “Novichok” is enough to certainly kill a person, as Mr Mirzyanov stated (corroborated by Deputy Assistant Commissioner Haydon who said there was enough in the bottle to kill thousands), then Mr Skripal and his daughter should be dead. If the reason they aren’t dead is because “Novichok” breaks down in damp conditions, then it is impossible for the OPCW to have found a substance that hadn’t broken down, which was of “high purity”, and which is resistant to weather conditions.

There is simply no way you can square these things. If it didn’t kill the Skripals because it had broken down in damp conditions, then the OPCW can’t have found a high purity substance that is persistent and resistant to weather conditions. But since the OPCW claim that this is exactly what they found, then it can’t have broken down in damp conditions and lost its toxicity, can it? One or the other, but not both.

Unless you can prove that a substance can lose its toxicity in just over an hour due to dampness (from the time it was allegedly sprayed to the time it was allegedly touched), only to regain its toxicity and be found to be resistant to weather conditions two weeks later, no rational person can possibly be expected to believe this explanation. It is obvious nonsense, utterly impossible, and discredits your entire account of what happened on 4th March.


In Conclusion

Along with other members of the public, I would love to be able to believe that your investigation has been based on all the evidence available, and that its conclusions (so far) are credible. Sadly, however, this is not possible, as the above issues (and plenty of others) demonstrate.

It was quite obvious from the outset, when the Government came to a conclusion before any evidence had been properly assessed, that any subsequent investigation had already been politicised. There was therefore little hope that the investigation would be impartial, and that if evidence was found to contradict the Government’s assessment, that it would be presented.

However, there was always a glimmer of hope that your organisation would refuse to bow to this politicisation, and instead conduct a truly independent investigation. Amongst other things, this would have involved:

  • Mr Skripal and Yulia being allowed to give their account of what happened that day to the media, and the media allowed to freely ask questions
  • A thorough account of the two suspects’ movements, rather than two highly selective bits of footage that imply where they went, but which leave out the footage that shows where they did actually go
  • The release of CCTV footage showing what happened in The Maltings in order to appeal for witnesses to come forward
  • Important information, such as the duck feed and the close proximity of the suspects to the Skripals at that time, being given out to the public, and included in the timeline
  • An explanation of the poisoning that is actually scientifically credible

But since these elements have not been a part of your investigation, the public can have no confidence in your explanation and assessment of what happened on 4th March 2018, and has every right to suspect that they are part of what essentially appears to be a politically-driven cover up. That really is a great shame, not only in terms of understanding what really happened in the Salisbury and Amesbury incidents, but also in terms of the denting of trust in your organisation, and the authorities in general, in the long-term. I would like to hope that this potential denting in confidence in your organisation’s integrity in handling this case, which surely cannot give you cause for celebration, would lead you to take the initiative in now providing a more credible account of what took place.

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    2. Hi Rob, I’ve just become aware of your blog. I was editor of the Salisbury Journal when the Skripal incident took place. Maybe I can help clear a few things up about our coverage at the time? Let me know.
      Cheers,
      Joe

  4. Theresa off for walks in Snowdonia. Having a Brexit Break?
    “The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Treason”

    Hope She Fall’s Off Summit In Her Leopard Print Slippers.

  5. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/04/cia-director-used-fake-skripal-incident-photos-to-manipulate-trump.html#comments

    “To persuade Mr. Trump, according to people briefed on the conversation, officials including Ms. Haspel also tried to show him that Mr. Skripal and his daughter were not the only victims of Russia’s attack.

    Ms. Haspel showed pictures the British government had supplied her of young children hospitalized after being sickened by the Novichok nerve agent that poisoned the Skripals. She then showed a photograph of ducks that British officials said were inadvertently killed by the sloppy work of the Russian operatives.

    Ms Haspel was not the first to use emotional images to appeal to the president, but pairing it with her hard-nosed realism proved effective: Mr. Trump fixated on the pictures of the sickened children and the dead ducks. At the end of the briefing, he embraced the strong option.”

    A CIA Director manipulating a President.
    Who’d have thought that!

    2. Thanks Chris. Very interesting piece from MoA. I had puzzled over the disparity between the reaction of the British and Europeans, and the US. Wildly out of kilter, and now we see why and how that happened. Big question: Does it give a clue as to what really happened in Salisbury last year, or was this just Ms Haspel seizing an opportunity?

      Rob

      1. Indeed Rob.

        If it can be shown that HMG did indeed supply photographs of sick children and dead ducks, then I believe this lends credence to the belief that the whole Novichok – Skripal disappearance was indeed a MI5/6 operation.

        Where are the UK press….

      2. Rob: “Big question: Does it give a clue as to what really happened in Salisbury last year, or was this just Ms Haspel seizing an opportunity?”

        Haspel’s eagerness to frame Russia does seem to support the suspicion that the CIA wanted to deflect attention from its own guilt. Russia did not poison the Skripals, at least not with Novichok sprayed on the door handle, as the Met says. We can say that with almost total certainty from what we’ve learnt over the past year.

        And the UK’s alleged involvement in the fake images of poisoned ducks and boys indicates close cooperation between the British authorities and the CIA.

        If we add to that the known connections between Sergei Skripal and Christopher Steele, it’s hard to avoid the suspicion that the Skripal case and the CIA-promoted Steele dossier are somehow connected.

        1. A clue from the Guardian on May 8, 2018 :
          Furthermore, Haspel is seen as a Russia expert and a close ally of Britain’s MI6, having being London station chief from 2014 to 2017. She is reported to have insisted on the forceful US response in solidarity with the UK, to the poisoning of the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury, using a nerve agent that is alleged to have originated from Russian government laboratories.
          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/08/gina-haspel-cia-director-atone-past

          So Gina Haspel was in London when RussiaGate was hatched there.
          Does she know Christopher Steele ?
          It´s more and more obvious that RussiaGate, Steele Dossier and the Skripal case no longer be separated from each other.

    3. We have no way of knowing if that story is true, but if it is, then the biggest scandal in it is the “pictures the British government had supplied her of young children hospitalized after being sickened by the Novichok nerve agent”.

      HMG conspiring with the CIA to use fake images as an excuse to punish an enemy? Nah, could never happen – not with honourable Prime Ministers like Blair and May!

      1. It is absolutely amazing. Surely the person who leaked this, and the New York Times, know that there were neither sick children in hospital nor dead ducks floating on the Avon.

        So – if true, someone is going after Gina Haspel and the CIA, or
        – someone is going after MI6 and the British, or
        – someone tells the British that their Novichok story is full of holes as there should have been sick children and dead ducks
        Trump has noted before that Russiagate was a British invention, maybe Novichok will be blamed on the same network, too.

        1. I’m not surprised that the the New York Times is clueless about the details of the case, since Salisbury is so far away. But it’s a bit strange that the Guardian would repeat that story of pictures of dead ducks and sick boys, as if they were authentic.

    4. One of the main roles of the CIA Director is to provide information to the President of the USA. Lying to him is therefore a big no-no.

      So what can she do if she wants him to believe something that is not true? One way is to attribute that story to another source, preferably a trusted ally such as the British Government.

      If the President ever finds out that the story is untrue, the CIA Director can then distance herself from it – by saying that it was the Brits who made the mistake and that the CIA is not responsible.

      HMG would have been happy to oblige – by passing the fake images of poisoned children and dead ducks on to the USA. They may even have suggested it in the first place, but it would still have been the CIA’s decision to use that disinformation against Russia.

    5. Nobody should believe anything that they read in the Guardian, but it’s worth noting this report about Haspel when she took over the top CIA job last year:

      “Haspel is seen as a Russia expert and a close ally of Britain’s MI6, having being London station chief from 2014 to 2017. She is reported to have insisted on the forceful US response in solidarity with the UK, to the poisoning of the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia”.
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/08/gina-haspel-cia-director-atone-past

      Maybe the Guardian was trying in that piece to hide the fact that it was Trump who made the decision to be tough against Russia (because admitting that fact would undermine the whole Russiagate conspiracy theory – of collusion between Trump and Putin).

      Nonetheless it looks as if the CIA – including the then deputy director Gina Haspel – was involved in promoting the “Russia did it” narrative in the Skripal case.

      That agrees with the New York Times article about Haspel’s role in the diplomatic expulsions. However, the NYT story of Trump being moved by the pictures of the children and ducks is a bit more questionable. It’s more likely that he didn’t want to argue with the CIA.

      1. Trump is mainly concerned about his image. He is no fool.
        Images of children in hospital and week US response – not good.

        As I understand the conflict in the US security state it is the military against the CIA. My guess would be that the military needs a partnership with Russia in Afghanistan.

        2. Note : Neighter NYT nor The Guardian mention that the photos MUST BE FAKE.
          What a poor journalism !

    6. So: the narrative strand that has been consistently omitted from the official / public version is what has allegedly been used to persuade Agent Orange that something heinous was perpetrated in Salisbury on 4 March.

      Hospitalized children and dead ducks, which I’m sure I read somewhere (and thanks to at least one someone here in blogland) were reported as children sent to hospital some two weeks after the incident for checks that pronounced them uncontaminated and unaffected, and … wasn’t there a report in a council meeting that any no ducks died except of natural causes?

      Surely some kittens and puppies too? (Other than the Skripal pets)

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  8. ‘Novichok Survivor Tells Russian Envoy He Didn’t Know How He Was Treated’

    ‘Survived victim of a nerve agent poisoning in the UK city of Amesbury in early July, Charlie Rowley, on Saturday met with Russian Ambassador to the UK’

    ‘”Answering my question on whether Rowley knew how he was treated, the brothers said that they did not know. Rowley knows about what he was poisoned with exclusively from police reports… I told them to ask any questions related to publications on this case. Perhaps, 80 percent of what I said today was a complete revelation to them… He [Rowley] expressed interest in undergoing a medical examination in a third country. This is a separate issue,” Yakovenko told reporters following the meeting.’

    http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_84076.shtml

    1. I rather think that Charlie’s brother it a bit more clued up than Charlie, he might also know about this blog. I think he’s got suspicions about what happened and probably thinks his brother has been made a pawn of the governments lies.

      Karen Gardener’s eye witness account proves there was no “Novichok” on the door handle during the period 4th to 6th March (if it ever existed in reality) before the Met took over the investigation. So Bailey can’t have been poisoned, the 2 Russians are innocent and therefore NOT resposible for the perfume bottle containing “Novichok” (if it ever existed in reality).

    1. No. They don’t say that. It is a rewrite with a spin of what was published in Russian media (thanks Milda) on Victoria demanding to see the power of attorney of the people selling Yulia’s property. Gulnara was stopped at the airport and showed the power of attorney. In Russian media Victoria accepted it as proof that Sergej and Yulia Skripal were alive.
      Spin by Henry Jackson Society.
      Only stuff UK’s express agrees with Russian media is that it is somehow known that Gulnara phoned the Netherlands to set up a private communication channel.

      2. In this universe they did say that, I recognise that in your place of residence black is white, red hair is blonde, someone saying the people on the bench were the same people that were caught on the cctv actually meant they weren’t.

        It must be difficult for you to get on with our species.

        “She was arrested at Moscow airport by members of the Investigative Committee as she returned from her homeland in Kazakhstan.”

        1. In my universe I stand up with my name to what I write.
          And I have problems to get on with anonymous people who trust every word by our mainstream media.

        2. Russian link by Milda
          https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/03/25/podruga-predstavila-dokazatelstva-sergeya-i-yuliya-skripal-zhivy.html

          In my translation they say that Gulnara was met at the airport by police, showed them the documents, told them that Skripals are under a witness protection programme. The article also states that Russian authorities ACCEPTED the validity of Gulnara’s power of attorney.
          The article also states “via a source” that Gulnara had recently been contacted from the Netherlands.

          The express article is doing nothing but recounting the Russian MK article plus gives it an anti-Russian (they are trying to get the Skripals …) spin.

        3. Anonimous, whoever you are, just use Google Translate or a similar service and translate for yourself this excerpt from the article by the Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets (MK):

          12 марта Гульнара возвратилась в Москву, и её у трапа самолета встретили стражи порядка. У девушки взяли объяснение. Кроме того, она предъявила доверенности от Юлии Скрипаль на автомобиль и на квартиру. Подлинность документов не вызвала у следователей никаких сомнений.

          The Express “author” stole the information from the MK article of 25 March, twisted it with the lie about Gulnara’s arrest, made a mistake about Yulia’s age and took the trouble to estimate the price of Yulia’s flat (it was not in the MK article). Also, he added the info about Kazakhstan as Gulnara’s homeland. It was not in the MK article. Did the Express author obtain this info from UK special services? Or did he read the discussion here? I had written in some earlier comment that the name Gulnara is popular in the Caspian Sea region and Central Asia, including Kazakhstan.

        4. …”red hair is blonde”

          Anonimous, could you please open the Express article, which impressed you so much, and take a look at the still from the Reuters video of Yulia? What simple colour does describe the colour of Yulia’s hair? Red or yellow? If you claim that it is red, you indeed live in a queer kind of universe.

        5. “It emerged that authorities in Moscow had grilled Yulia’s closest friend after they intercepted a call from her mobile to Europe aimed at “reestablishing a secure communication channel” with Yulia. ”

          What utter rubbish. If Yulia was “trying to reestablish a secure communication channel” she DEFINITELY WOULD NOT be using her mobile where its IDs are already known and therefore traceable. She would be using a CLEAN mobile where the IDs are not known and therefore NOT traceable. The conclusion is that Yulia WANTS to be traced.

          1. “The conclusion is that Yulia WANTS to be traced.”

            Meh. I don’t agree: it could mean that. However since the original MK article used Viktoria for source info, it’s more like it’s part of Viktoria’s ongoing strategy to keep herself in the public eye.

            Thank you again, Milda, for explaining that Gulnara is a not uncommon forename in Kazakhstan:

            http://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisoning-one-year-on-an-open-letter-to-the-metropolitan-police/#comment-26765

            Gulnara, based purely on what’s in the public domain, was detained and questioned. And Yulia’s 2018 hair is imho a dark shade of blonde, some might call it a reddish shade of dark blonde but again imho it is not red.

            The article in the Express is nearly three weeks behind the earlier MK article and, yes, I think it’s entirely possible that the info about Gulnara’s homeland being Kazakhstan being courtesy of Milda’s comment here.

            However if Anonymous, above, who claims that Gulnara was ‘arrested’, and can provide further info on Yulia’s 2019 hair shade (not her new name / identity, that ought not be in the public domain), I’d be very interested in checking a link(s) to the source of such assertions (can’t speak for others here, but I doubt they’d disagree).

  10. Brexit Fudge On Hold! Theresa has spare time now for Scaring Sheep.
    Gatwick Drone has arisen like a phoenix from ashes [Argos-B&M]

    Why shoot windscreen of Merc out after driver removed from vehicle
    Ukraine Embassy London?
    Why not shoot driver dead if going to use 12xrounds [Alleged?]

        1. WARNING TO ANY MALES PLANNING TO VISIT SWEDEN:

          Anna Ardin is against adultery and for feminism. At university she read a course on feminism, intimidated male students with complaints of harassment, and taught students how to file [against] a former boyfriend for breaking up or cheating, with the police, calling it “seven steps to legal revenge”; she also described in her blog, backed by reasoning, that in her opinion revenge is not prohibited for Christians.

          However, the most interesting thing for us is that she is an agent of the American special services, she was expelled from Cuba by Cuban counter-intelligence as a spy. In 2005–07, Anna Ardin was associated with the pro-American feminist group Las Damas de Blanco — “Ladies in White”. But the leader of this group, is a man, not a woman (which is especially interesting for the feminist movement) by the name of Carlos Alberto Montaner and he is associated with the CIA. Already this information alone would have been enough for Assange to stay away from Anna Ardin. Alas, he did not have this information…

          So basically if an unknown woman offers you a bed for the night, it might be best to do a bit of research first.

            1. This is very interesting (from the above link):

              Kwick’s case is a disgrace for the Swedish legal system: 8 murders of 1964-1993 were pinned on an innocent man with the help of “brilliant” interrogations under the drug ****Benzodiazepin****. Under such a drug you can confess to the Kennedy murders. Poor Kwick took those deaths with great enthusiasm, having learned the clues of the investigation. Then the “law enforcers” got into the act and another 10–20 corpses from all over Scandinavia were going to be pinned on him, but then the Norwegian police were outraged and said: “don’t touch our bodies!”

              Benzodiazepines may be used to treat:

              alcohol withdrawal
              anxiety
              as a muscle relaxant
              panic disorder
              seizures

              I wonder whether this is what they gave Charlie during his MI5/6 debriefing?

  12. Theresa got Brexit extension. Timing of incident in London outside
    Ukraine Embassy looks a bit fishy to me [False Flag]?

    Will driver of car be accused of being a Russian?

    Met cant fight Knife Crime but can turn out in force within minutes
    seconds of a possible drink-drive incident. Armed and Dangerous!

    Timing…….?

  15. I forgot to say, but there is another sphere type camera on the ceiling of the arcade at the opposite end ie the market square end. This camera would have seen them walking from one end of the arcade to the opposite end ie from The Maltings entrance and out into market square and turn left to go to Zizzis, then the return journey.

    There is an abundance of CCTV of their movements so the fact that it’s ALL been SUPPRESSED shows HMG are hiding/frightened of something, and that is, that both the Skripals were perfectly well and unharmed at that time. The attack (if there was one) took place at the location of the bench.

    There’s one problem with this theory, when Sergei and Yulia awoke, they would have become aware the UK government were spinning the lie that Sergei’s front door handle was the scene of the crime. If they were sprayed with something near the bench, they would remember the event and would want to share that information with the world.

    1. That is why Skripals were/are held incommunicado. Yulia’s phone call to Victoria – where Victoria was careful to warn Yulia not to say anything (listen, I know everything) prevented them from disappearing completely.

      I do think it was not at the bench but when duck feeding for the second time that afternoon at the river. Look at Kim Yong Nom’s video for an impression how long you can walk after an attack.

  16. Freya Church due next Oscar Award for Best Actress! Captured via
    second-hand mobile footage off monitor screen and telling lies,

  18. Billions £££££ Wasted By Theresa-HMG on Fudging-Lies!

    Homeless People-Food Banks-Cutbacks-Lies……………….

  19. Assange and Skripal could have more in common than is immediately apparent.

    Dr David Kelly – Died after blabbing all kinds of US secrets to the press, at the behest of (a few) Mi6 officers who disapproved of US methods, he also blabbed freelance when it suited him and was writing a book that didn’t help his retirement prospects.

    In short he brought it on himself.

    Not quite the last straw, that came from Jack Straw(man) when he fell out with the CIA boss and refused to share Intelligence gained from the French (the week of Kelly’s death). But: 6 weeks before Kelly’s death POTUS GWB went on the telly and announced the Smoking gun of Iraqi WMD had been found in Iraq by way of Mobile Biological Weapon Laboratories (5th June 2004).

    Kelly along with a team of other experts were sent to Iraq to Inspect and Confirm the find (5th June).

    Kelly doesn’t find Mobile Bio Labs he finds what the Iraqis said they were, Mobile Hydrogen Producing Plants for producing Hydrogen for weather balloons.

    Kelly then goes off script; he has a telephone call with Judith Miller on the NYT and tells her that her President is talking bollocks (6th June). The NYT publishes Kelly’s revelations, (7th June). Kelly died the night or 17/18th July.

    The Rule is simple: If you blab US Secrets you will be severely dealt with.

    That bit is not a Secret, the US wants everyone to know especially the people who come into contact with US Secrets, if you blab US Secrets you will be punished and punished harshly.

    One month before his death Robin Cook announced in the HoC, as part of his resignation speech, that al Qaeda was a CIA construct. The US created, funded, trained and armed al Qaeda.

    Don’t know what Gareth Williams had found out about the US involvement in money laundering via his investigation into US Military Intel hacks or who he told. The Russians were being set up to take the blame for the hacks and the beneficiary of the dirty Loot. Gareth was found dead in a Sterile room in a zipped up bag.

    Sergei Skripal was actively involved in Cyber Security his activities openly performed in front of both UK and Russian Security Services (ergo they both benefited). The US may not have liked the relationship Sergei was enjoying simultaneously with the Brits and Russians during the time when he overtly visited Russian Military Intelligent officers in their Embassy once a month in London whilst also meeting, once a month, his Mi6 handler (Pablo Miller) in Salisbury. But Sergei fulfilled many uses; taking the blame for the false intel supplied through Mi6 re Trump’s bedroom fancies, to harm Trump’s presidential campaign and then his Presidency. He also served to conflate Russian use of Nerve Agents with Assad’s killing of Syrians with Chemicals, a bonus of putting Russia in a bad light (on the international stage) during their tremendously successful World Cup where England did better than expected until the Amesbury Incident. Then they had to Justify putting US moles via II / IfS in every UK European Embassy to keep tabs and influence European Political Policies to keep inline with US Foreign Policy. And finally the Big one, Scupper Nord Stream 2/3 – Sergei had to go, not for blabbing US Secrets but because he knew too many of them, couldn’t be trusted and he was more useful gone.

    Snowden, Manning and Assange knew the Risks, they are rightfully extremely fearful of them but each decided to take them because the alternative is the allow the US to achieve Hitler’s and Stalin’s dreams, enshrouding Europe and Britain in a cloak of darkness.

    We should celebrate their martyrdom by spreading and repeating their Cry: RESIST.
    Everyone who understands what the US are doing, the UK subservient, degenerate role and the inevitable (if not restrained) outcome, must try their hardest to publicise the Truth, inform friends and family of the Facts and make the Reality accessible to as many as possible. Writing to your MP is useless (they are knowingly allowing it to happen – through fear, greed and promises of reward), no point going to the MsM (they are controlled by the Elites), no point rely on the Courts (they are Ruled by the Elites). At the end of the day it will be down to the public; the Plebs, the Prols, the Goys, the Serfs) to take charge or comply, that choice is fast disappearing.

    If we do not Resist we know what Dystopia is awaiting us, the foundations and corner stones are laid, and that is bad enough, the full ticket will be, literally, Hell on Earth.

    The Elites want this outcome because it bodes well for them, their families and their friends. It doesn’t bode well for the rest of us who will have to pay for it, in more ways than one.

    1. Peter, we live in a truly frightening world and people are sleep walking through it. I try my best to educate friends and family with what few facts we have on all these outrages.
      The dark power does not care about collateral damage (i.e. death of its own citizens) when protecting its interests, it cares even less about mass deaths in countries it is “liberating”.
      The gloves are off in Venezuela and probably Cuba. So blatant, and little outcry from MSM.
      Our lackey government supports all this as long as there is money to be made.
      Where are the brave journalists ?
      R.I.P. Jamal Khashoggi

    2. I think you are on to something though I don’t believe the cyber activity stuff.

      US are overstretched and try to shrink their empire (for an encounter with China but I think they already lost there). Obama outsourced the Middle East to former colonial powers France and Britain and Eastern Europe to Germany. All of them created a mess sustainable only because backed by the US. Trump – and the looming division of power/partnership between Russia and the US.
      This partnership would make US outposts – the Baltics, Ukraine, Britain, Germany …. irrelevant. In the Middle East it has the potential to create peace.
      In this case all these places would be just another country. So Russia gate and the Skripal case are possibly the result of cooperation between the secret services of all these countries (and their contacts in the Democratic Party) and Skripal presumably knew a lot about this cooperation.
      So the Russian diplomats guess that Skripal’s possibly live in a connected country like Estonia could be right.

      1. add: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-twitter-russia-election-uk-government-russiagate-mueller-a8828311.html

        The distancing in the article from the core statement is funny, but it is a direct quote:

        The US president shared a tweet by William Craddick, the founder of right-wing conspiracy theory news outlet Disobedience Media, on Sunday evening.

        “Russiagate was designed in part to help the UK counter Russian influence by baiting the United States into taking a hard line against them,” Mr Craddick wrote. “Leaves us all with a more dangerous world as a consequence. Just another episode of the great game.”

        I read “counter Russian influence” as in “counter Russian influence in the Middle East and Ukraine”.

  21. We made a mistake about the CCTV overlooking The Maltings and the bench area – we were looking for a camera over the end of the arcade, but it’s on the wall higher up, to the right of the library windows. For anyone that doesn’t know, the library is on the whole of the left hand side of this view of the arcade and Fitness First is on the right. Also on the right are some restaurants in the arcade. The Maltings is the row of shops running along the river. G&T’s is on the corner with the bench to the right a little way back.

    Not sure how we missed it, but we don’t live in Salisbury and aren’t familiar with the layout around The Mill and Maltings shopping area.

    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2526330/was-salisburys-cctv-on-at-time-of-nerve-agent-attack/

    1. Anonymous-1 : if I understand you correctly, it is still true that the bench is overlooked by a CCTV and we still can ask for the film.

      1. It has a spectacular view of the whole area and from the footage the Met would know EXACTLY where the Skripals went and when ie The Mill first or Zizzi’s and what time.

        Click on the link below and scroll down to Image D and E. Image E has a red arrow where the bench used to be, it’s not been replaced, and the thing with the canopy and blue metal poles a bit further on has gone.

        https://thesaker.is/a-curious-incident-part-iv/

        Now click on this link and scroll down to the Market Walk photo.

        https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2526330/was-salisburys-cctv-on-at-time-of-nerve-agent-attack/

        Now you can see the view in both directions, from and into Market Walk. The path with the red arrow is the route to Sainsbury’s car park. If you walk through the arcade you come out into market square and Zizzis is on the left.

        The camera would have seen the pair walking up to the river, from Sainsbury’s car park direction, and the duck feeding event.

        It would have seen them walking over the bridge and into the arcade to go to Zizzi’s, and when they came out of the arcade again.

        It would have seen them walking along The Maltings shopping area by the river on their way to The Mill pub and back again. Just to clarify, the pub is to the left of G&T’s, at the end of the shopping area and faces onto Fisherton Street/Bridge Street, where Rus and Alex were caught on CCTV on their way back to the station (they’d obviously been to the Cathedral).

        I’m pretty sure the bench would have been in view of the camera but without going back, I can’t be absolutely sure – It’s the angle from where the camera is in relation to the bench. G&T’s wall is where the blind spot is, and where the Skripals were probably sprayed with something. In fact I stood by the wall just out of view of the arcade and one elderly man walked straight into me.

        We didn’t go round to Sainsbury’s, but all supermarkets have CCTV, obviously overlooking the door. I don’t know where the entrance is and if it overlooks the bench area. G&T’S would be the same but the window and door don’t overlook the bench.

    2. According to Peter Beswick, who had done a research on Salisbury CCTVs, three cameras had been overlooking the bench: one on the Market Walk wall, another on the Sainsbury and a third on G&T, just a few yards of the bench.

      If I correctly understood one of your previous comments, the CCTV on the Market Walk wall is now absent.

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  26. So this explains why Assange has been handed over:

    https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Ecuador-Censors-Request-to-Access-All-Terms-and-Conditions-of-IMF-Deal-20190409-0026.html

    “The request was sent six days after the Staff-level agreement was reached. However, it was more than a month later and after the first disbursement took place that the public hearing was held.

    An Ecuadorean judge denied Tuesday the Ombudsman’s office request to access public information regarding the conditions and terms of the new agreement reached between Lenin Moreno’s government and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on March 11 for US$ 4.2 billion.

    “We initiated this request so that everything that was negotiated in the new IMF deal can be transparent to the Ecuadorean people,” stated Director of the Ombudsman’s Office Harold Burbano.

    The request was sent on Feb. 27, six days after the Staff-level agreement was reached and announced. However, it was more than a month later and after the first disbursement took place on March 15, that a public hearing was held Tuesday between the Ministry of Finance and Economy and the Ombudsman’s office.”

    So one of those “conditions” will be to hand Assange over to the US – so he’s worth US$ 4.2 billion.

    1. It seems that this is the great reason for the award :
      “Ms Wilkinson was also on the front line of interactions with national and international media, representing the hospital with pride, and played a vital role in communicating with government agencies.”

    2. I hope someone has nominated Nurse McCourt, even on her day off she put duty before danger to herself and her daughter.

  29. I’m a bit concerned over Charlie Rowley’s Safety-Welfare at this time with
    a possible meeting with Mr Putin.
    This meeting could destroy the Novihoax lie for TPTB-HMG-POLICE?

    Charlie needs to keep Family-Friends close and be very vigilant-alert!

    We don’t wish to find him in a suspicious wood-field due Novihoax complications
    on his health or an alleged drink-drug overdose.

  30. Note to Peter.

    Catching up on the Independent newspaper claim. that Charlie might be meeting Putin, and also listening to the Sky interview with the UK Russian ambassador, I would suggest and hope that Peter could travel with Charlie.

    The ambassador claimed that the UK authorities, which I assume must have been the Met Counter Terror Team have not asked to speak to Rus and Alex, is quite a revelation but probably true.
    Have HMG ever commented on this?
    I recall the Maybot saying that extradition would not be sought, as Russia would not give up it’s citizens.
    So my understanding was that European Arrest Warrants have been issued in their real (Bellingcat) names.

    1. I haven’t seen any comment by HMG about whether it wanted to to speak to P&B, but the Russian embassy has said twice before that there were no such requests.

      A month ago, and also six month ago, the Russian embassy said that the British authorities “made it clear that they were not interested in submitting their own requests for legal assistance, which could be provided” by Russia “by means of interrogation of certain persons, provision of access to documents, etc.”

      The Russian embassy also said last month:

      “The UK could have made an official request for legal assistance. That assistance may have included Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov being interrogated in Russia, documents being provided,etc. However, the UK government has chosen not to pursue these options.”

      https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6660
      [p.38 and 40] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KDp81kufi-EcBeInkXq-Ugqv4WYj3Sq9/view

      The Met had hundreds of officers working on the case but it did not think of trying to contact the prime suspects. The very least that the investigators could have done was to check out whether the suspects’ testimony was backed by the vast amount of evidence that had been gathered. If the suspects had lied about their movements during an interrogation, it would have been easy to catch them out.

      1. If the CPS were to allow a prosecution it would set in law a precedent that anyone caught on CCTV, somewhere vaguely in the vicinity of where a crime is committed, is the perpetrator, even if they were not at the actual scene of the crime and there is no evidence they were at the actual scene of the crime, as is the case for the CCTV images of the “suspects” walking past the Shell petrol station.

        1. Anonymous-1,

          I’m digressing from the topic of this thread but your comment about extent of evidence required in order to prosecute reminded me of something that may be of interest to you and others on here. In the UK there is what is referred to as “joint enterprise law”. This is scandalous and has been around for many years, resulting in dozens of innocent people -usually youths involved in gang culture – being imprisoned for years simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The linked article explains more. Who needs evidence to convict? Not the UK court system.
          https://www.the guardian.com/news/2018/mar/09/joint-enterprise-law-uk-how-do-11-people-go-to-jail-for-one-murder

  32. This is interesting. Image the cost of flying in the 200 US personal for this. “Professor Tim” Atkins was also a speaker.

    “More than 200 individuals from U.S. government agencies as well as officials and clinicians from Maryland and other states had the opportunity to hear first responders, physicians, and defense researchers from the United Kingdom detail their government’s response to the chemical weapon attack that occurred in Salisbury in March 2018 and the subsequent exposure in June of two individuals in nearby Amesbury during a two-day symposium, held February 21-22.

    The meeting was sponsored by the Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Chemical and Biological Defense and the Joint Program Executive Office for Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Defense and was hosted by the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Chemical Defense in its Sidell auditorium, at Aberdeen Proving Ground. ”

    https://www.army.mil/article/218656/uk_experts_brief_response_to_2018_chemical_attack

    2. Thank you, Denise, for finding this important article !

      Written by an United States Army Medical Research Institute of Chemical Defense (USAMRICD) expert, there are some statements that raise questions :

      1) Quote : „The attack was not only a criminal incident but also a case of international terrorism with potential political implications, all factors that impacted patient care, its management, and the scientific investigation.“

      How could the „potential political implications“ have „impacted patient care, its management, and the scientific investigation“ ? Impacted in terms of obstructing ?

      2) Quote : „While the diagnostic process was taking place, the local police, having identified the victims, wanted the intensive care unit closed for security reasons, and one of the police officers who had been to the Skripals’ home as part of the investigation arrived at the emergency room exhibiting similar symptoms; he would also be cared for in the ICU.
      Confirmation of nerve agent poisoning, identification of the particular agent, a more targeted course of treatment and a long recovery for the patients followed.“

      This is a timeline ! We know that a mayor incident was declared on March 5 in the morning.
      Novichok was identified on March 6 in the morning.
      Does it mean Bailey arrived at the emergency room between the two dates ?
      Or wanted the local police the intensive care unit closed BECAUSE Bailey exhibited similar symptoms ?
      I think the second option is more likely – supported by the police car that was cordoned off on the morning of 5 March.

      3) Quote : „Dr. Christine Blanshard, medical director and deputy chief executive officer at the Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust, detailed the challenges faced in working with 25 other organizations on a national interagency response to such a highly sensitive incident.“

      WOW. 25 other organizations ! Which one ?

      4) Quote : „During the second incident, media interviews of friends and family members of the Amesbury couple further complicated press relations.“

      What does that mean ? Did Sam Hobson, Matt Rowley and Dawn´s family told things that harmed the official lies ?

      5) Quote : „Public Health England… addressed… tracing individuals who may have come in contact with the agent.“

      So PHE was in charge to find the duck feeding boys !

      1. 1. I guess police/secret service got into competition with doctors what to tell the Skripals when they woke up from coma. Mark Urban actually reports that Skripals were not allowed to have television or radio (and outside visitors) who could tell them what had happened. It is absolutely disorienting when you wake up in hospital and must be terrible if nobody tells you why you are there, ie. not really what doctors would advice in normal circumstances.
        2. Same reason for closing the area where Skripals were. Because they might tell something that should not get out or might be told something what Secret Service did not want them to know at that stage.
        Yulia Skripal seems to have been unaware of the diplomatic row with Russia when she made her interview.

  33. Bailey’s house in Alderholt is empty. No for sale sign.

    No sign of any interior work being carried out. The carpets have been removed from the sitting room and dining room. From the front there is a sitting room window on the left and front door on the right. Sitting room leads to dining room with patio doors. Must be the kitchen to the right of dining room. Two windows upstairs at the front. Looks like a three bedroom house because it’s quite small. So if Mrs Bailey is ordering 14 windows and doors, the new house must be a lot larger.

    Looks like the CCTV at the end of the arcade overlooking G&T’s and bench area has been removed.

    1. Thanks for the information, Anon.
      Did you look at 18 Tudor Close, Alderholt ? Or did you look at another place ?
      Is the strange pavement seen on Google earth still in place ?

      1. 18 Tudor Close, Alderholt, Fordingbridge, SP6 3LY. Just looked at it from Google Earth. The garage door is dark brown now. If you drive into Tudor Close and go right to the end, it’s on the right. The tarmac road ends then there is a shared gravel drive with two houses on each side. Bit of a strange layout.

        The house has just been left empty, HMG must have forgotten all about it. The Skripal house and this one are definitely not worth £1m.

    2. Thank you very much for visiting the place. It was my dream that someone would go and examine it.
      The fact that Bailey’s house in Alderholt is abandoned confirms that the government seeks to minimize the number of his contacts. He possesses some damning knowledge with regard to the Salisbury poisoning case. I wonder whether Bailey is really back at work or is just shown to the public on special occassions, like an award ceremony.

      1. Surely he must have the intelligence to ask himself why he managed to contaminate everything he owns, including “the cars” but not his wife and two children. I’m assuming he is still sleeping in the same bed with his wife. So the bed was contaminated but not her. I assume he must have eaten with his family sometime during the Monday and Tuesday, so realistically the whole family should have ended up in hospital.

        No disrespect to him, because he was obviously traumatised by the whole experience, at least when he nearly started crying on the Panorama farce, but he’s obviously done quite well from the whole episode. A lot larger house, 9 windows/doors in the old one, 14 windows/doors in the new one. New furniture, new cars, new toys. It’s obviously not new-build so I can imagine new kitchen, toilets, bathrooms etc. Men do find shopping quite traumatic. He’s probably glad to get back to work.

        Another thing I find quite odd is that there was a camera mounted above The Maltings end of Market Walk pointing at the bench area. It’s been removed but there are visible signs on the brickwork where it used to be. So the Met have obviously got fed up of people asking about where the CCTV footage is of the bench area, so first there’s a hack by the Russians, now the camera has been removed. Problem soved. They really are thick.

        1. DS Bailey knows,He the weak link. Removing CCTC Maltings is
          an admission of guilt.
          Shutting stable door after horse has bolted. Bungling Brits Again.

        2. Thank s for the update on the house. However, a total of 14 windows and doors, inside and outside, seems about right for a 3-bedroom house, even a small one.

          And people who buy houses rarely get personally involved in installing all windows and doors. It’s even more rare that the installation company would be so slow and apparently incompetent.

          It’s therefore likely that the problems that the Baileys were having was with their old house – because of the ‘Novichok’ scare.

          It looks as if Mrs Bailey had been led to believe that the poisoning incident was over and that her family could soon start returning to a normal life. But within a couple of weeks of her frustrated tweets, Nick was presented as the star of Panorama programme. After that, it was clear that they had little chance of getting back to their old life in their old home – because they would attract too much attention there. That might explain why the house was abandoned.

          1. 18 Tudor Close:
            Sitting room 1
            Front door 1
            Dining room 1 patio door
            Upstairs front 2
            Kitchen 1
            Back door 1
            Upstairs back 2 or possibly 3 if its 2 tiny becrooms plus a bathroom

            There is no way that house has 14 windows/doors – its for a different house.

  35. OMG! Have You seen that awful broadcast via British Army Type-Chap?
    I Ex Army…Totally Embarrassing!
    Going to sell My Medals at local Cash Converter……….I Ashamed!

    This Type-Chap like School Bully [Flashman] Tomkinson School Days.
    One of Little Gavin’s Chums from Upper Sixth Form-Upper Big School.

    Aunty Theresa nearly started WW3 [Could Still Happen-Salisbury Fudge]
    Does She honestly believe that Flashman-G can take on Red Army……..

    God Help Us Folks……..Im Ashamed Of My History

  36. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/01/no-suspects-yet-in-skripal-nerve-agent-attack-mps-told

    The comments by Sir Mark Sedwill punctured hopes that the police and other security agencies had pinpointed suspects but were withholding the name or names from the public.
    Asked by an MP at a Commons defence committee hearing if he knew the individuals responsible, he replied curtly: “Not yet.”

    Sedwill, who coordinates the work of the MI6, MI5, the surveillance agency GCHQ and others, did not elaborate but among problems that have hampered the agencies is a lack of CCTV coverage in Salisbury compared with London.

    The article is dated 1st May and they don’t have any suspects, but according to Craig Murray, the metadata on the photos shows “they were prepared on the morning of 9th May” but not released until 5th September.

    Of course, a simple database report showing all Russians entering Britain around early March would take seconds, then cross referenced against visa applications, a little longer. Makes you wonder why GCHQ/MI5/6 find simple stuff like that so hard. I have come into contact with GCHQ and they really are as thick as bricks, we used to laugh at them.

  37. At last! I’ve been waiting for this:

    https://www.rt.com/uk/455757-novichok-rowley-meets-ambassador/

    “No mobile connection for 3 hours BEFORE the poisoning [i.e. the poisoning of the bench couple]”

    Exactly as I suspected a long time ago, because it makes perfect logical sense. As I’ve said before, the phones were connected in the morning, and disconnected at around 1pm.

    This implies one of two things:
    a) The Skripals had turned off their phones (or didn’t answer the calls).
    b) That GCHQ had been ordered to block their numbers from 1pm onwards (I could say much more about this blocking ‘service’ and its history).

    It also implies that the Skripals were in contact with the embassy, probably earlier in the day, and that the embassy were trying to contact them later – and I think it’s easy to guess why.

    1. Glad to hear from you, Miheila.
      I intervene only for clarity :
      I don’t understand spoken English very well, but at 1:17 in the video, I hear : “There is no mobile service connection with the Skripals three hours prior the poisoning”. The meaning is the same as in your quotation. If I understand you correctly, you conclude that one possibility is that the Russian embassy tried unsuccessfully to phone the Skripals whithin tree hours before the “poisoning”. You contemplate that GCHQ had blocked the Skripals’ numbers and you add : “I could say much more about this blocking ‘service’ and its history.”
      If you are ready to elaborate on this last point, I would be interested.

    2. “There was no mobile service connection with the Skriplas 3 hours prior to the poisoning”

      Not sure; it could mean 3 hours prior to c 1:30pm when the police say that one of them had contact with the door handle.

      The police did say they went off the radar between 9:15am an 1:00, so the ambassador may have been interpreting this info.

      But as the door handle was not involved and neither was Novichok its hard to tell what the truth is.

      One thing I am sure of is if the Russians were not involved they have intelligence of what did happen.

      So I think both the British and Russian governments are not telling Charlie the truth.

      Why? I have no idea.

    3. I agree about GCHQ. I suspect the reason there is no CCTV of the Skripals is because they took that out as well. It sounds as though the Salisbury CCTV system has been a bit of a hot potato, so none of the officials would want to admit it wasn’t working at that time, in case it gave the impression they’re incompetent. It’s interesting that stories came out later about the CCTV being hacked.

      If you read the “accident” about Diana the electrics were taken out in the tunnel, just before the crash, thereby disabling the CCTV cameras pointing into the tunnel. Henri Paul was not drunk but his blood tests results showed he was. All the bystanders on the pavement overlooking the entrance to the tunnel said there was a big flash, then the crash. It was later reversed in the media.

      It’s interesting the police are so worried about the CCTV of the older man with younger blonde woman with red bag. If they’re not the Skripals, then they’re material witnesses. Normally the police would want to find them. I can understand the footage being a security risk to the government if it was the Skripals, because it shows there was nothing wrong with them at that time. It also means they were attacked shortly after that, of course the government wouldn’t want that caught on CCTV.

      1. Peter said:
        “Not sure; it could mean 3 hours prior to c 1:30pm when the police say that one of them had contact with the door handle.
        The police did say they went off the radar between 9:15am an 1:00, so the ambassador may have been interpreting this info”        .
        I suppose that’s possible, but the ambassador didn’t say, “The police claim that…”. He states is as fact. If he’s referring to the current British official narrative (that the poisoning took place at about 1.30), then again he’d be agreeing with it without any evidence, which means that he’d believe the door-handle nonsense to be fact. I don’t think he’s that gullible.

        I would hope that he was referring to the poisoning of the bench couple at around 4pm. It would also fit the known facts so far, and so would the timing of the phone contact block. Further evidence suggesting this is what he meant, “There was mobile service connnection…” He did not say that their phones were switched off, but the connection had been lost.

        If Sergei was in a state of panic that day, and the evidence suggests that he was, and that his fears had begun a few weeks earlier, I would expect him to have been using the phone/s on the morning of the 4th March to make contact with the Russians in order to co-ordinate any escape plan. It never happened for his communications to/from both phones were blocked at around 1pm by UKG. Chaos soon followed.

        Who was keeping in touch with them? Obviously not the embassy directly, too risky, but innocent-seeming intermediaries, maybe one, more likely more (e.g. P&B, Gulnara, Viktoria, GRU illegals in UK planning the operation). Instructions would have been coded in plain language, sounding perfectly innocuous. A short innocent message could mean something entirely different. Fake messages (say giving rendezvous times) could have been used also, to act as decoys. As the approximate locations of the phones would have been quickly identified by GCHQ, this fact could even have been used against them as a decoy. GCHQ would have been monitoring all Sergei’s electronic comms for years. They’ve monitored Russian diplomatic comms ever since the 40s, without success due to heavy encryption.

        P&B could have been ‘cut-outs’, courriers, dead-letter box planters. They may have had no connection at all with the events of 4th March. They may well have been dealing in fitness supplements on the side. Who knows?
        Inquirer – I can’t say more here, but let’s say they’ve come a long way since the days of Tinkerbell – the BT/PO tapping ‘service’ operated from a large building at 93 Ebury Bridge Road, SW1 (under cover of the “Equipment Development Division of the PO Operational Planning Dept, OP5”). The discreet plaque at the entrance cryptically announced their presence on a small plaque saying “PO/THQ/OPD/EDD”. (GCHQ have recently moved of their large Palmer Street office block to a new site in London. Their HQ is in Cheltenham, but they’ve always had outposts throughout the country too, and their Composite Signals Organisation had sites worldwide. Currently their main UK outposts are London, Bury, Harrogate (NSA Menwith Hill), CSOS Irton Moor and CSOS Morwenstowe).

        Anon-1
        I agree. The Diana affair was just one of many MI5/6 cover-ups, but probably the most well-known. The red-bag couple were most likely the bench couple or their attackers, while the Skripals themselves had disappeared by that time. All speculation, of course.

        1. “There was NO mobile service connnection…”
          …and there weren’t two plaques. Only one!

          Rob, I’m finding this long page almost unusable now. Is there any chance of starting new one, pending the new forum? Thanks.

        2. Anybody know who conducted Dawn Sturgess’ autopsy, if it was Richard Shepherd that would be a clue.

      2. Not quite, the leader of the City Council said the CCTV was working and they had very clear images of the Maltings that day.

        One of the parents of the children who Skripal gave bread to, in the Maltings, said they were shown very clear CCTV images of the duck feeding incident 🦆

        The police say they cannot release imag s of the bench incident because it is an ongoing issue nv investigation.

    4. Miheila, you’re putting together a story out of nothing. “Before” can mean both – morning or noon.
      Yakovenko presents NO insider knowledge, at least not in public statements.

      Now I expect Charlie meeting Theresa May …
      Or Charlie being treated in Russia…

      1. Clearly, it can be read in both ways, but my speculations are just as plausible as others here. Especially so IF there was an organised Russian plan to extract the Skripals, and the Brits had become aware of it, the scenario I gave would be the most likely one.

        As for Yakovenko not releasing information outside the public domain, I disagree. The questions asked of Britain (and FRANCE) certainly added a new details to what we knew at the time. His ambiguity could have been intentional, and although it may mean little to us, it may suggest more to MI6. It is also reasonable to assume that “3 hours before the poisoning” refers to the period immediately preceding whatever he defined as the time of poisoning (most likely 4pm), rather than an earlier three hours, which could logically be any previous time at all.

        1. „… although it may mean little to us, it may suggest more to MI6.“
          That´s a fair point, Miheila.

          Another theory : Skripals phones were disabled for the purpose that R&A could not call them.
          That would mean the time information came from R&A (who surely were interrogated in Russia).

    5. Very curious that all videos I’ve seen of this meeting do not show any substantial conversation between the parties – merely niceties between them. Is there any footage or transcript of the actual proper conversation?

      1. And sky news saying Rowley he believes he was just fed propaganda and he still believes “Russia did it”…

    2. I think it’s very sensible of Rowley to want to be tested by medical professionals from another country. This indicates his lack of trust of the treatment/diagnosis carried out by the UK medical staff.

      And regarding the quick cremation of Sturgess: I am disappointed this occurred, but not surprised. This is what one would expect when the authorities don’t want the body to be examined too closely. This also indicates suspicions about what the UK medical staff/authorities were up to.

  39. I wish to see CCTV of Mystery Couple entering Maltings. Was this on foot
    Taxi drop-off or Unmarked Vehicle for Hoax-via MI56.
    Lots of CCTV can-would explain issues regarding-But will also destroy
    The Lie.[No Show]
    Its all a hoax and Dodgy Nick Is The Lose Link…..Bungled Operation!

    1. And no novichok. Alison McCourt, experienced ebola nurse and head army nurse, wouldn’t have endangered her family at the bench. She knew exactly what incapacitant was used and that it wasn’t a danger to her daughter Abigail.

      1. And the massive cleanup operation was, apart from being part of the Integrity Initiative anti Russian PR, to stop us finding out what that temporary incapicitant really was and thereby exposing their hoax.

        1. And what’s going on with the replacing of all the windows? Do any chemists out there have any theories on what substance might require that the windows at Sergei, Nick and possibly Charlie’s houses all needing to be removed and replaced?

          1. Yes does this Deadly Russian Type-Stuff now dissolve glass-pvc window frames?
            It can do everything else according TPTB-HMG-MI56.

            Destroys Roof’s on houses,Gives a Dodgy DS stubble and ears?

            Shows amazing CCTV footage of a Couple [Mystery] second hand off a
            Gym monitor screen [On A Sunday?]

            Miss Fanny Adams Freya Church captured at a time fitting agenda..Shh £££££!

            No Other CCTV……?

  40. The Official Narrative, now, is that the Skriplals were poisoned by Novichok from their home door handle and collapsed on a bench in the town two and a half hours later.

    The publicly available independent evidence suggests that the pair on the bench were not the Skripals but more likely the same couple that were caught on Snap Fitness CCTV. The poison was an Incapacitant, not Novichok, and was applied at or near the bench.

    It’s over 12 months since the incident and we are no closer to learning the truth because the police have not completed their investigation. We are not allowed to see the CCTV images of the incident.

    Just what is it that the police are investigating? What are they hiding?

    After suspect no. 3 was revealed we were told there are also suspects no’s 4 and 5 that we would be told about but that hasn’t happened yet.

    No charges yet in connection with Dawn’s death because of insufficient evidence. No Inquest.

    So I and others have tried to piece together the facts by requesting information but government agencies are frustrating that lawful process, I will give you an example:

    I sent a Freedom of Information (FoI) Request to the Ambulance Service (AS) asking about the response times of the ambulances in the Salisbury and Amesbury incidents. I did this, principally for two reasons;

    1) The reported response times in the Salisbury incidents was not realistic., emergency services called at 4:15pm, first police on the scene 4:15 (whilst the call was being made?), first paramedic 4:17.

    First First Responder – the Chief Nurse of the British army (before the Emergency Services were alerted). The nurse was attending the stricken couple when the police arrived.

    2) I have information that there were unexplained delays in getting both Dawn and Charlie medical attention and getting them into hospital, unexplained delays in taking samples from Dawn and Charlie, unexplained delays in sending the samples to Porton Down and unexplained delays in Porton Down turning the samples around to produce the results. (Compared to the Salisbury Incident)

    The AS wrote back saying the police were dealing with their FoI Requests.

    I replied that the FoI Act of Parliament did not offer them that option

    The AS then ignored me.

    I wrote to the Information Commissioners Office (ICO) and complained.

    The ICO wrote to the AS and told them they had to respond to my request.

    Nearly3 Months after my initial Request the AS wrote to me saying they were withholding the information on the grounds of exemptions within the Act (the Act requires them to respond within 20 days). The grounds for refusing me the information;

    1) Section 24 – Safeguarding National Security

    2) Section 38 – Endangering Health & Safety

    3) Section 40 – Confidential Information

    An Exemption that could have deployed but wasn’t was;

    Section 21 – Information reasonably accessible to the applicant by other means.

    I say this because much of the information is already in the public domain

    It has been widely reported that he Emergency Services were alerted to the Salisbury Incident at 4:15pm, the first paramedic arrived at 4:17 and the ambulances departed the scene at c 5:10.

    As mentioned I have doubts about the veracity of the information that has been reported so I wanted it confirmed.

    There was a report that a “Silent Call” was received by the Emergency Services first and then a second from “a member of the public” I just wanted to be clear about the timings and sequence.

    From the day of the incidents in Amesbury;

    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2622250/incident-at-amesburys-archers-gate/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44721558

    Dawn’s ambulance called at 10:15 and Charlie’s 18:20

    But how long it took the ambulances to get there and how long the paramedics spent at the scene and when the patients arrived at hospital is a Secret.

    The complaint has gone back to the ICO but there appears to be a concerted effort amongst several government agencies (the police the Ambulance Service and Public Health England) to unlawfully withhold information that has huge Public Interest.

    Or in other words a Cover Up.

    Complaints have gone to the Information Commissioner regarding how the Ambulance Service, the police and Public Health England have handled my Freedom of Information requests.

    The Request:

    Dear South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust,
    Please could you let me know
    What time was the ambulance service alerted?
    When were ambulances dispatched? (each)
    When did they arrive on the scene? (each)
    When did they depart the scene? (listing details for each patient, and those that did not convey patients(s))
    When did each patient arrive at hospital?
    For incidents in Salisbury on the 4th March 2018 and Amesbury 30th June 2018
    What vehicle(s) was/were involved in the Amesbury Ambulance Station closure / army involvement? Please give details.
    Yours faithfully,

    Peter Beswick

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/wiltshire_poisonings_ambulance_a#incoming-1328407

    1. A cover up and no Novichok, it is clear.

      But the pair who collapsed on the bench were certainly the Skripals. The idea that the pair on the bench had been “the CCTV couple” was induced by SnapFitness’ manager Cain Prince who had obviously misunderstood the policemen. The cops took an image of “the CCTV couple” because that couple formally matched the description of the pair on the bench (the Skripals): an older man and a younger blonde woman (Yulia was likely blonde on her passport photo – see her earlier photographs. And Yulia was sandy blonde in March 2018 – see her video in the Moscow airport, where she was sandy blonde, and her video of 23 May where she had sandy blonde hair with a wide dark parting). Mr Prince concluded that, as the policemen had taken the image of the couple, that couple should have been the Skripals. Just one man’s mistake.

      1. Not true

        The witness that said the female had blonde hair was Ollie Field (Snap Fitness gym user).

        Freya Church said she had blonde hair but also that the couple were “100%” “definitely” the pair in the published CCTV video

        Freya Church told Cain Prince (her manager) the pair were the same people that were on the video

        Yulia did not have sandy blonde hair she had red hair

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-ys-DV-wUI

        You can deny the facts but they remain the facts.

        1. The police have told me that the couple caught on Snap Fitness are part of ongoing Criminal Investigation that the police are looking into and therefore cannot release the cctv images to me or anyone else.

          1. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cctv_footage_of_the_salisbury_in

            Refused on the grounds of;

            “Reasons for reliance on exemption Section 30 – Investigations
            Section 30(1)(a) of the Act allows an authority to exempt information where it has, at
            any time, been held for the purpose of specified criminal and other investigations or
            proceedings; and where it relates to the obtaining of information from confidential
            sources and was obtained or recorded for a number of specified investigations or
            proceedings.
            Held at any time
            The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) reminds public authorities that 'Section
            30(1) provides an exemption from the duty to disclose information that a public authority
            has held at any time for certain investigations or proceedings. As long as the other
            requirements of the exemption are satisfied, the exemption will apply to information
            even if it was not originally obtained or generated for one of those purposes and it will
            continue to protect information even if it is no longer being used for the specified
            investigation or proceeding. It is only necessary for the information to have been held at
            some point for those purposes. The exemption applies to information rather than
            documents so it is possible that information contained in a document created after the
            conclusion of an investigation or set of proceedings could still attract the exemption…'
            Further reference to this guidance can be found by way of this link:
            https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1205/investigations-and-
            proceedings-foi-section-30.pdf”

            I have submitted a complaint the the Information Commissioners Office

          2. Of course, the police cannot release the CCTV images caught on SnapFitness as those images would reveal that the Skripals did not walk through Market Walk close to 4 pm. The official narrative is that the Skripals walked to the bench from Zizzi, where they came after visiting The Mill. We know that the police transposed Zizzi and The Mill in their timeline – see Rob’s post on “the meal and the drink.” Apparently, the transposition was made in order to downplay the importance of The Mill, to make people forget about it. So, if the police reveal that in fact the Skripals did not walk from Zizzi towards the bench, that would ruin the entire official case.

          3. So Plod admitting what we already know on Blogmire regarding
            Mystery Pablo Couple staged within Market Walk………………….

            Here’s a Bung Miss Fanny Adams £££££££££ Just say its that
            Russian Spy Bloke. Your Boyfriend will be promoted from a PCSO
            and become a Genuine Plod [Wooden Top]

            Pablo Mystery Couple will smile-look at CCTV with a Red Handbag.

            That’s Your Signal!!!

        2. At first, Freya Church said the pair on the bench were “100%” the CCTV couple. But as soon as Skripal’s photos had been shown in the media, Freya said that “it was definitely the man that’s been pictured in the news – the guy that’s a spy.” So, definitely Skripal.

          Yulia’s hair in the airport was sandy blonde. If the lighting produced a distorting effect, compare the airport video with the 23 May video – the color was the same. Given Yulia’s wide dark parting in the May video, by mid-May she had not dyed her hair approximately for three months. It is likely that Yulia dyed her hair in late February – before her boyfriend birthday (26 Feb). According to neighbours, Yulia and Stepan had a party that day.

            2. You think freya is “one of them” just because she was suported by an officer while walking? That is quite a leap, I must say. There is a far more rational explanation:

              As a normal citizen, Freya was most likely feeling a bit overwhelmed, shaken, and vulnerable by the events and the brief media spotlight. Seeing a citizen in this state of mind, to me it seems perfectly reasonable that a police officer might reassure her by escorting her away.

              1. I don’t and have never thought Freya and the PCSO were an item: she’s taken his arm because she’s a bit shaken imo and/or he’s escorting her away from where she was interviewed.

                Couples arm in arm tend to be one person with their hand in the crook of the other’s folded arm ime.

          2. It does not matter how many times you post this Milda, it will never be true.

            The woman in the CCTV was blonde. Ollie Field and Freya Church described the woman on the bench as blonde.

            The couple in the CCTV were absolutely said to be ‘the Skripals’ by the entire MSM of the UK… but then a waiter in Zizzi told the Sun that the woman in the CCTV was not Yulia because she had red-brown hair. Not ‘sandy blonde’!!!

            As for Cain Prince ‘mishearing’ what the police said… you have tried that before but I am afraid that is still complete garbage! You are just making it up and it is not very likely! Please try harder!!

            Whoever it is you work for REALLY does not want everyone to know that the Skripals were not on the bench… but you are wasting your time because the facts say otherwise.

            1. Whoever the Snap Fitness couple were the police have said they will not let me see CCTV footage of them as they emerge into the Maltings because that information is / was being held for a criminal investigation and or prosecution.

              This is an extremely important point and one of immense public interest.

              The Freedom of Information Act requires the police to tell me / us certain things when information is withheld eg

              “12.When citing section 30(1)(a) public authorities need to explain not only how the duty to investigate arises but also which offence or offences, usually defined in common law or statute, are relevant in the particular circumstances.”

              https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1205/investigations-and-proceedings-foi-section-30.pdf

              Why were the couple under suspicion of committing a crime? What crime? When was that crime committed? Where was that crime committed?

              The “When” is particularly important because by the time the CCTV couple had been eliminated from police inquiries (assuming they have) the police were not sure shat they were dealing with.

              At that time Wiltshire police were in charge of the case and the Met had not taken over. It was not the Met’s responsibility.

              We are told by the police that the crime, that they investigated, took place at the Skripal home some distance from the bench, several hours earlier and the suspects were long gone by train back to London by the time the CCTV couple walked into view.

              If the police initially thought the couple were the Skripals, what crime did they think the Skripals were responsible of?

              There are other aspects to this FoIR that I will not reveal them here but with enough research you will find other problems for using a blanket exemption of Section 30 (1) (a) to refuse all requests.

              https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/539707/response/1334627/attach/html/3/attachment.docx.html

              But leave aside all the technicalities of the Act and what the Law requires, ask yourself this;

              1 Why did the police not issue a clear picture of that couple when they asked for assistance in identifying them? The pictures the police relied on for the pubic to identify the couple were taken from the screen of a phone cam that had taken a recording of the gym’s CCTV monitor. The police have clear footage from that same gym CCTV system and other council CCTV cameras that would provide much clearer images for the public to enable them to help the police identify the couple.

              2 Why, with such a huge amount of public interest , would the police refuse to release the footage of the CCTV couple emerging into the Maltings and where they go from there? The police have given their reason.

              1. Freedom of Information Act Exemption Section 30 (1) (a)

                Information that is / was held for the purposes of Criminal Investigation and /or Prosecution

                https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1205/investigations-and-proceedings-foi-section-30.pdf

                All requests below refused using the Exemption Section 30 (1) (a)

                1. i) What time did Bailey go on duty that day? ii) What time was his shift due to end, iii)What time did he go off duty?

                2. i) When did become aware of the incident in the Maltings, ii) Why did he attend?
                (Was he detailed or was it an act of initiative?)

                3. Did anyone accompany him, if so how many and rank(s)?

                4. At the bench scene, what did Bailey and / or his colleague(s) do?

                5. Witness accounts say before the 4:15pm call was made to the emergency services (by a concerned member of the public) there were already police officers at the scene. Is this true and if so how many and rank(s)?

                6. In a publicly aired CCTV recording taken within Market Walk (from Jenny’s
                Restaurant) we see a police car moving towards the scene. i) Was this PC’s Holloway and Collins arriving? ii) Was Bailey already present at the scene when these two arrived? iii) Was the police car in Market Walk caught on CCTV at 4:15pm? (it was reported as such).

                7. It was also reported that police were present at the Skripal home at 5pm i) Is this true, if so how many police officers were present (during that afternoon/evening /night) and rank(s)? ii) Was Bailey one of these officers? iii) If there was a police presence at the Skripal home at 5pm why were they there and iv) What did they do?

                8. i) At what time did Bailey attend the Skripal home, ii) What was his purpose for being there, iii) Did he (or anyone) have a warrant to enter the property?

                9) i) Who else attended the Christie Miller Rd. scene with Bailey numbers and rank(s)? ii) Was the time he attended after his normal shift time? iii) If on overtime why did Bailey attend?

                10. i) What activities took place in the Skripal home, ii) By what route was entry gained? iii) Were Mr Skripal’s house keys used to gain access? (how, where, when and why were these keys obtained) iv) How many officers entered the property? v) At what time did Bailey leave the Skripal home

                11. Please give a detailed timeline of what Bailey did next, from leaving the Skripal
                residence, going to the police station, going to Salisbury and District Hospital for the
                Decontamination Process, returning home, becoming ill, returning to the hospital.
                Everything he did, everywhere he went and times and mode(s) of transport.

                12. i) Did PC’s Holloway and Collins go to the hospital for the decontamination process,ii) What did the decontamination process entail? iii) How long did it last? iv) What tests were done to give the all clear? v) Did all police officers from the bench and house scenes go for decontamination? vi) Had any of those officers been to their homes first? And if so vii) What decontamination precautions were put into effect?

                The police have recognised that this matter is of immense public interest and concern, it is therefore vital that any misconceptions, ambiguities and inaccuracies that are in the public perceptions are dealt with transparently and with utmost honestly.

                All refused using Section 30 (1) (a)

                Plus these also

                I would like to see the moving footage of the CCTV from the Council’s or any other
                systems that captured it of the movement of the pair (mistaken for the Skripals) as they emerge from Market Walk into the Maltings, I want to see where they go, what they do, for as long as they were in the Maltings area.

                I would also like to see Ms Church’s encounter with the pair stricken at the bench, Ms Church says no one else was around at the time. I would like to see the encounter from any footage held by the police but especially from the Council’s system that had cameras positioned above Market Walk and on Sainsburys. I want to see Ms Church and the pair sat on the bench for as long as Ms Church was present.

                1. All the refusals are curious in their own way but this one was to establish the truthfulness of statements given;

                  12. i) Did PC’s Holloway and Collins go to the hospital for the decontamination process?

                  ii) What did the decontamination process entail?

                  iii) How long did it last?

                  iv) What tests were done to give the all clear?

                  v) Did all police officers from the bench and house scenes go for decontamination?

                  vi)Had any of those officers been to their homes first? And if so

                  vii) What decontamination precautions were put into effect?

                  Some of the issues kicked up by refusing these requests on the grounds of: Information that is / was held for the purposes of Criminal Investigation and /or Prosecution

                  Who was telling the truth, Actg CC Pritchard when he said all first responders were sent to SDH overnight (Sun / Mon) for decontamination or PC Alex Collins when he said he went home and went to bed without a wash?

                  What were they Decontaminating for (fentanyl, opioids, nerve agents?) is there a general decontamination process.

                  Why didn’t they take the roof off Collins’ house and replace the windows in Holloway’s?

                  The tests; they all came back negative? What were they testing for?

                  These matters are NOT subjects of a Criminal Investigation, there are subjects of a COVER UP!

                  An Act of Parliament is being used for the purpose of Cover Up.

          3. You still haven’t grasped this have you Milda?

            Freya saw the couple on the bench

            Freya saw the Snap Fitness cctv

            Freya heard the couple on the bench were a spy and his daughter

            Freya told her manager “that’s who I saw on the bench that’s the spy”

            Freya saw the the response to the MsM showing the Snap fitness footage, they all said “this is the Skripals”

            Freya saw the pictures emerge of the real Skripals on the MsM

            We haven’t heard from Freya since

            Of course Freya may appear again on TV with a hole in her neck and say she was wrong but so far she has not made a retraction or correction nor has any news outlet that aired her witness statements “They (cctv couple) are 100% Definitely the people that I saw on the bench”

            Interpret it as you will

            Freya saw

            1. And just for good measure, Cain Prince told the press that: “the police said Mr Skripal was wearing a green coat.”

              One of the Times journalists, who saw a much better version of the CCTV than we have seen, confirmed that the man in the CCTV is wearing a green coat…

            3. Peter, you combine two of Freya’s testimonies in one, this is, you claim that “100%” and “definitely” were said about the CCTV couple. In fact, Freya said “100%” about the CCTV couple and said “definitely” about Skripal: “it was definitely the man that’s been pictured in the news – the guy that’s a spy.”

              As for the police’s refusal to release CCTV footage of the “CCTV couple” as they emerged in the Maltings, I have already explained: that footage would show that the Skripals walked towards the bench not from Zizzi but from The Mill. That disclosure would destroy the official case, one corner stone of which is the claim that the Skripals walked towards the bench from Zizzi. Thus, the police cannot release the footage you requested.

              As for the media buzz over the Snap Fitness CCTV, the police were not obliged to explain anything. It was not them who published the video.

              1. Cain Prince, the manager of Snap Fitness, said police examined the CCTV footage on Monday, paying particular interest to the couple with the red bag. “These people were the only ones police were interested in,” he told The Telegraph.

                “They said he was wearing a green coat and took a picture of them and They asked for details of all staff who were in between 3pm and 4pm on Sunday.” Shown the CCTV footage of a couple walking past the gym towards the bench just 15 minutes earlier, Ms Church said it was “definitely them, 100per cent.”

                https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/did-treacherous-past-russian-colonel-finally-catch-salisbury/

            4. How to verify that in early March 2018 Yulia had sandy blonde hair:

              Ask your hairdresser to take a look at the top picture in this article
              https://www.kp.ru/daily/26834.5/3874804/
              It is a still from the Reuters-filmed video of Yulia of 23 May.

              Ask your hairdresser about her/his estimate as to how long before the day of filming Yulia dyed her hair. Given the wide dark parting, the estimate is no less than three months. This is, Yulia dyed her hair in mid- or late February, prior to her boyfriend’s birthday party (26 Feb). She is sandy blonde in the Reuters video. Thus, she was sandy blonde in early March.

              1. You twist the truth you are either deluded, in denial or deliberately spoiling this blog.

                You either lied in the above post about my confusion re “100%” and “definitely” or you cannot be bothered to research properly or you are deliberately trying to discredit me.

                You failed as I provide the FACTS above for you.

                I will not waste my time on you again, whether your behaviour is warped through a disturbed mental state or a malign intent, you are not worth the effort.

                1. Peter, I should apologize for one thing:
                  Here
                  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/did-treacherous-past-russian-colonel-finally-catch-salisbury/
                  Freya Church is quoted as saying both “100%” and “definitely” about the CCTV couple:
                  Shown the CCTV footage of a couple walking past the gym towards the bench just 15 minutes earlier, Ms Church said it was “definitely them, 100per cent.”

                  However, as I already pointed out, Freya had also said “definitely” about Skripal:
                  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5470361/Detectives-fear-Russian-spy-sprayed-poison-street.html
                  “…personal trainer Freya Church, 27, came across them slumped on a bench. She said they seemed ‘out of it’ and assumed they were on drugs. ‘It was a young, blonde and pretty girl and it was definitely the man that’s been pictured in the news – the guy that’s a spy.”

                  As you can see, Freya testified in accordance with what she had seen last. Shown the CCTV footage of the couple, she said “definitely them, 100per cent.” Having seen Skripal photos in the news, she said “definitely the man that’s been pictured…” With these mutually exclusive statements, Freya is of zero value as an eyewitness.

                  About Yulia’s being blonde (sandy blonde) in early March 2018, see my comments of April 5 and 6.

                  To repeat my explanation as to how SnapFitness’ manager Cain Prince misunderstood the police:
                  Policemen did a routine work – they examined footage of privately-owned CCTVs in the area where the incident had taken place. The so-called “CCTV couple” of SnapFitness footage formally matched the description of the pair who collapsed on the bench – an older man and a younger blonde woman. So, the policemen took with them the image of the “CCTV couple”. They might have said something about “the guy in the green coat.” Other passers-by on CCTV footage did not match the description of the pair on the bench, that’s why the policemen were interested only in that couple. Mr Prince, quite naturally, concluded that the couple whose image had been taken by the police, were those man and woman who had been found ill on the bench. It is simple. Just a natural, though wrongful conclusion. Then Mr Prince handed (sold?) the CCTV footage to Press Association journalists who distributed it for the media.

                  Actually, thanks to Mr Prince’s mistake and his deal with Press Association, we know that the Skripals did not walk through Market Walk near 4 pm on 4 March 2018. Only one pair, who matched the Skripals’ description, walked there at that time (credit to Liane Theuer for this observation). And the pair were not the Skripals. This means that the police falsified the case by claiming that the Skripals had walked towards the bench from Zizzi. I can see only one reason for that falsification: the government wants The Mill pub to be excluded from the Salisbury poisoning narrative. In turn, this means that the poisoning took place in or near The Mill. Otherwise, why the police should have taken trouble of transposing Zizzi and The Mill in their timeline?

                  On the transposition of Zizzi and The Mill in the official timeline, see
                  https://www.theblogmire.com/the-10-main-holes-in-the-official-narrative-on-the-salisbury-poisonings-6-the-meal-and-the-drink/

  41. Little Gavin very quiet over Nuclear Submarine Bungle-De-commissioning?
    A small problem he inherited and not informed about.
    Much like his Big Brother hiding Naughty Magazines under Gavin’s
    Mattress and Mum finding them….Shock-Horror!!!!

    Please Explain…Shut Up Go Away…Not This Time Gavin!

  44. Where is our society going?
    Awards for brave Abigail, and the hero that is Bailey.
    Meantime, the coroner inquest for the true victim, Dawn Sturgess, has been postponed for a further 6 months.
    What new facts or evidence will be uncovered between now and October?
    More kicking of the can.

    1. The Skripals truly did lose everything, their roof, maybe even their lives, while brave hero Bailey’s is still alive, and now back under the same old roof. Saying he ‘lost everything’ was just a little lie to gain public sympathy – and to play along with the official narrative at the time – the Big Lie. I wonder what his neighbours think… or even whether they’re allowed to express their thoughts publicly.

      Just like Abigail McC, their awards were for acting the part, going along with the charade – not for bravery.

      It seems the ever-changing narrative has mutated yet again. I can smell a strong aroma of rotting fish in Alderholt, so why can’t the MSM?

      1. Give Dodgy an Oscar for “Best Actor” Strange how Mrs Bailey has surfaced
        after all this time?

      1. On 24 June, 2018 The Times reported that the government was going to buy Skripal’s house and Bailey’s house. The Times said: “The novichok used in the failed attempt to assassinate the former Russian spy and his daughter, Yulia, caused widespread contamination and made both houses uninhabitable.”

        According to the above Tweets by Sarah Bailey, she placed an order to replace the windows in their house in June (20 weeks back from November). How was it, given The Times’ report?

        Other media also wrote about the plan to buy Skripal’s house and Bailey’s house. For instance:
        https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/06/24/salisbury-poison-homes-to-be-bought-by-taxpayer-in-1m-deal/
        This article is interesting because it contains Bailey’s photo with the caption that reads: “Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey fell ill after tending to the Skripals”
        This is, the Shropshire Star editors well remembered the initial narrative about Bailey’s poisoning.

        1. Yes, Milda, the tweets seem to completely contradict what the Times reported:

          “Wiltshire police are expected to pay Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who became ill after he went to the aid of the Skripals on March 4, for his family home. The house is likely to cost about £430,000.”

          That was published at the same time, give or take a few days, that the Baileys ordered their new windows and doors (20 weeks before the date of those two tweets was 26 June 2018).

          Mrs Bailey was apparently hoping the family could move back in, since she later complained at the start of the winter about having “cold kids” (presumably in their temporary accomodation). Why would she expect to move back into a house that was uninhabitable and about to be bought by the police (according to the Times)?

          In late June the authorities were saying one thing to the Baileys – the house is decontaminated, so you can go ahead and order new windows and doors. At the same time, however, they were starting to spread the “I lost everything” disaster story that Nick Bailey would later tell Panorama.

          1. ” … that Nick Bailey would later tell Panorama.”

            Judging by the vegetation and that at least one published image was taken outside with DSNB wearing the same shirt as featured in the November airing of the Panorama programme, I’d suggest that DSNB’s interview took place during the summer and at a time much earlier in his rehabilitation.

            Maybe also what seemed like it must be temporary accommodation was the new Bailey home and it needed some modernisation.

        2. No wonder Everest were so slow to get to work in the house. Very soon after receiving the order, they must have read that the house was so badly contaminated that it was uninhabitable.

          They would have been even more scared a week later, when they saw that Dawn and Charlie were made critically ill by nerve agent that was still potent nearly four months after the Salisbury incident – allegedly the same substance that poisoned Nick Bailey.

    4. If the Twittersphere is correct.
      Then all the windows are being replaced, and the Bailey’s are back. (Yes, this is true?)
      Wife of hero now back in the social media regime.

      When Bailey said that he lost everything, was he referring to his window frames?

      1. It’s possible that the light beard conceals a previous fuller beard he may have grown to disguise his appearance for a while.

        In the past, I’ve unkindly laughed at a friend who’d just freed himself from a longstanding full face beard – the difference in skin tone and texture was marked, although this disappeared as the months went by. He didn’t mind my laughing but I did.

        Apart from that, I’ve been agonising over someone in an image of a victim support unit, who was sporting a very full face beard. On balance, I think the nose and ears are different but, in the half light, it might be DSNB.

  48. BBC-Tonight-Jill Dando! “We Will Never Find Her Killer” Uhm?
    They wont will they when Jill was about 2 lift lid on Cesspit within
    HMG-Parliament-CPS-BBC.
    Sir Jimmy and His Fix It….MI56…..

    HMG-BBC cover-up….Clunk-Click-Every Trip-This Is
    Age Of The Train….Advertising On ITV…?

    Do As HMG-Politicians-Police Say!!! Not As We Do..!

  49. How is Treasonous May allowed a fourth vote. Its been kicked out
    three times now and it does not matter how she tries dressing it up.

    This action just destroys the idea of a vote does it not?

    1. Patrick,

      Indeed. I had been travelling, but I am back at the desk now.
      I think the Paul Foot award for investigative journalism would be perfect.
      I think the closing date is tomorrow.
      Liane, what about you too?
      On the topic of Private Eye, in the past 13 months they have been very quiet on the Salisbury affair.
      Mr. Hislop very litigation savvy. Silence for a reason.

  51. Five Brexit Protesters Arrested! Met can’t arrest knife crime suspects?
    Looks good for Met on MSM.

    1. “One of the report’s authors, Emily Ferris, said: “Russia is a very important partner for co-operating on things like organised crime and drug trafficking from Afghanistan through a lot of routes in Russia.

      “International terrorism is something which affects all of us, and even cybersecurity.”

      They acknowledge the political difficulties facing London and Moscow in working together, but hope away from the public gaze, a gradual thaw in relations can begin to the benefit of both countries.”

  53. Little Gavin Wetting His Pants With Pure Excitement!
    His Brave Raf Type with 1xTyphoone Aircraft [Glue Coming Unstuck]
    Escorted Russian Bombers x2 [How Dare They Be In International Airspace]
    Away from U.K. Sunny Weather For Time Of Year.

    Little Gavin will have a Chimp Bum in his shorts if Bombers turned back!

      1. Now Then,wonder what that’s about? Will retune radios and see
        if can pick some Intel-Info.

        Thanks Paul

  55. Twelve day’s finding fake bottle-complete-broken-no bacon wrapping?
    Dodgy Police Radio discovery-removal-Dawns Residents?

  57. In the case of the Skripals, Novichok (and the specific type) was identified by Porton Down in 1 Day and 16hours

    In Dawn and Charlie’s case it took 4 days and 11 hours. The delays were in the time it took to send samples to Porton Down and in the time it took Porton Down to do the tests.

    In the Skripal case this was the first time Nerve Agent had been used on British soil except for when Porton Down poisoned unsuspectine Service Men and members of the public who thought the were taking part in the Common Cold Research), the hospital staff were unaware of its signature and also to the extreme possibility that it could be involved.

    In Dawn and Charlie’s case SDH had been alerted to the danger, the symptoms, the possibility that this could happen again.

    Both Dawn and Charlie presented with the same symptoms as the Skripals, the A&E staff at SDH had undergone extensive retraining to identify the signs of Nerve Agent poisoning. The retraining package was rolled out in hospitals throughout Britain, this was Now a very real and present threat.

    The Hospital was involved directly with Porton Down and collaborated in a number of measures to prepare for such events (even before the Skripal incident). Porton Down medics were regularlt working in the hospital.

    The enzyme tests on the blood would very quickly have identified that a pesticide or less likely another nerve agent was involved in both the Salisbury and Amesbury incidents.

    SDH had been sensitised the possibility and dangers associated with this happening again.

    I repeat …..

    In the case of the Skripals, Novichok (and the specific type) was identified by Porton Down in 1 Day and 16hours

    In Dawn and Charlie’s case it took 4 days and 11 hours. The delays were in the time it took to send samples to Porton Down and in the time it took Porton Down to do the tests.

    Why?

    1. No urgency? No Russian diplomats left to expell? Any workplace under pressure does overtime. No pressure it takes the usual time.

      1. “the usual time” ?

        And how long is that for any lab in the world being presented with the clotted blood containing metabolites of A 234 or any other Novichok or Nerve Agent, to identify the precise family member which created that metabolite?

        If you don’t know just say so.

        But I can tell you it is not 13 hours. In fact I don’t believe it is possible.

        Its not the delay in identifying the particular Novichok in Dawn and Charlie’s case that would surprise most chemists, it is the speed at which Porton Down were able to say what type of Novichok it was, that is nonsensical.

        Or perhaps it was a related compound / closely related agent …… who knows?

        1. Well if they found the perfume bottle with Novichok in Charlie’s flat plus found the bloodsamples were “compatible” with organophosphate poisoning and Dawn’s blood showed neither alcohol nor drugs were involved, as the parents claim the hospital told them, of course the suggestion is that they were hit by “Novichok”.

          Frankly, I tend to believe it, simply because it seemed to be inconvenient to the official narrative that a spy was targeted by professionals (the door knob was silly but losing a perfume bottle even more). And because there was not much additional spin if you do not count taking the roof of Skripal’s house (but not in Amesbury).

        2. Hello Peter,
          I suppose the critical time is how quickly SDH began the correct treatment when presented with Dawn and Charlie.
          If this treatment was correct, and tmely, then then the delay in the identification of the toxin does not matter with respect to patient recovery.
          Was there not a detail, way back in the archive, where Prof Tim made a call to SDH or PHE to let them know that he suspected Charlie and Dawn had been Novichok victims?
          Maybe he made this call “too early” in the same way that Boris blabbed very soon after the Skripals went down?

    2. “In Dawn and Charlie’s case it took 4 days and 11 hours.”

      My explanation is that Charlie and Dawn got ill because of drugs, one way or another. When the handlers of the Skripal case learned/got a report about the pair of druggies in SDH, they decided to use this situation to enhance the Novichok narrative. All that – getting a report and making a decision – took some time, that’s why 4 days and 11 hours.

      1. The only reason I can think of someone would have wished to plant the perfume bottle would be to try to implicate Yulia, who might have brought it via the plane. Suggestions were leaked to the media that Yulia might have brought the “Novichok” in some cosmetics on the plane before it was clear that both had survived and the door knob theory was spread.

        1. That’s the only reason you can think of?

          How about – it is all a hoax!

          As for: “Charlie and Dawn got ill because of drugs” – any evidence for that? Anything at all?

          1. 1) Charlie has been a drug addict. Dawn was not known as a drug addict, but she was Charlie’s girlfriend and could have wished to try some substance he purchased. Dawn’s parents are not a reliable source of info on her: they are a reputed family in their neighbourhood and the “Novichok”-related publicity has been highly embarrassing for them. 2) On the other hand, the “perfume bottle” story is bizarre to the utmost – it cannot be true by definition.
            Given 1 and 2, it is not a stretch to suggest that Charlie’s and Dawn’s falling ill on 30 June was caused by drugs, perhaps a rogue batch of drugs.

            What did you want to say with your comment? That Charlie and Dawn poisoned themselves with Novichok? Or they did not get ill at all and Dawn did not die?

            1. You were doing so well… the first paragraph was sensible and then you had to spoil it with the second. What a pity!

              Dawn’s parents said she did not do drugs; her son said she was an alcoholic but did not do drugs; the autopsy said she had no drugs in her system… I therefore, wonder what makes you think you know better? You have just invented a story and have no evidence at all other than your own ‘ideas’ but worse than that, your idea contradicts everything else we have been told. Are you saying Dawn’s parents and her son are lying?

              I, on the other hand, admit that I have no idea what happened. It is clear that something did happen but I am not going to invent a nonsense story to ‘explain’ it. Dawn is dead and if Charlie’s brother can be believed, Charlie said “They did it!”

              1. “I, on the other hand, admit that I have no idea what happened.”

                Really? You have no idea? But you said in your comment above “it is all a hoax!” [The exclamation mark is yours.]

                1. Milda, you really have gone off the boil since real@anidea left. Is he on holiday or has he gone for good?

                  What I actually said was: “How about – it is all a hoax!” – meaning that that is another possibility that also explains what happened.

                  Fake@anidea’s suggestion that the ‘only’ reason was to implicate Yulia is actually one of many.

                  1. I know this is your job – to talk nonsense in order to confuse readers of this blog and marginalize it.

                    1. Milda, I am absolutely confident that anyone, who has been following this blog for some time, will know that what I wrote is entirely correct. The only person you are fooling is yourself.

                    2. Actually, I agree with Milda, however think that you are not doing it intentionally to discredit the blog.

                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/30/alex-jones-sandy-hook-claims-psychosis

                      “The conspiracy theorist Alex Jones blamed various claims he has made, including that the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school shooting was a hoax, on “psychosis”, according to a deposition given by the Infowars host as part of a Texas lawsuit.

                      Jones described his conspiracy thinking as a kind of mental disorder in the deposition, which was taken earlier this month for the lawsuit filed against him by the family of a six-year-old who was among 20 children and six adults killed in Newtown, Connecticut in 2012, the Austin American-Statesman reported.

                      ones said he “almost had like a form of psychosis back in the past where I basically thought everything was staged, even though I’m now learning a lot of times things aren’t staged”.

                      Jones blamed his mental state on “the trauma of the media and the corporations lying so much, then everything begins – you don’t trust anything anymore, kind of like a child whose parents lie to them over and over again, well, pretty soon they don’t know what reality is”.”

                    3. You want to suggest that I am trying to discredit the blog, while you are the one posting under a fake name?

                      Everyone here knows that real@anidea, Milda, siberiak and others were all a ‘team’ – now you have joined the team and real@anidea has gone but we still know exactly what game you are all playing.

                      You don’t like the truth appearing here, so when we say that the Skripals were not on the bench, or that Sergei is now in Russia and Yulia is in the US, your team jumps all over it to try and distract.

                      But you are really very bad at your job and you make it very easy for us to spot what you are doing.

                      A few months ago, real@anidea said I was running out of ideas and I replied that I would still be here, telling the truth, long after he was gone.

                      I am still here and he is not!

        2. I would have thought a far more obvious reason would be to imply that Dawn died due to having had a lethal encounter with a bottle of perfume.

          Had Charlie died, rather than Dawn, it might have been a bottle of aftershave …

          1. That of course is the other possibility – that Dawn Sturgess was targeted. What took them so long? Did Dawn recognize Yulia in her video and remember that she saw her at the “scene of the incident” and where that was? Did she recognize other people with her? Was the “scene of the incident” in Queen Elizabeth Gardens and did police therefore look for traces of the perfume bottle there?
            And did Skripals walk from an attack in Queen Elizabeth Gardens to collapse on the bench?

            1. Here’s another other possibility: namely that the object with the toxic contents was brought into the UK not by Yulia, nor by PnB but by one of PnB’s female colleagues.

              Personally, I think the lethal substance may have become branded and packaged as scent because a female died; and it’s also possible that at least some of what happened (as far as Charlie remembers it) really did happen but that one bottle of scent was later replaced by another.

              Indeed, there’s more than one ‘other’ possibility.

      2. To Milda

        I think Dawn’s was something to do with her antidepressant medication + alcohol. I think Charlie’s was methadone overdose + alcohol + other possible drugs.

        The British SS just piggy-backed on the success of the previous Novichok hoax plus they were livid that it was party-time in Moscow – in other words – the rest of the world couldn’t care less about Salisbury and probably most other countries in the world don’t believe a word of it, why should they, if British people with a brain don’t, why should they?

        1. To Anonymous-1

          I’m inclined to believe that it was a rogue batch of drugs. There was a weird detail in the recount by Charlie’s friend Sam Hobson. When talking about Charlie’s getting ill, Sam said: “He felt ill and went for a shower.” I can’t imagine anyone, who just fell ill, wishing to take a shower. For instance, a person got headache, or stomach ache, or fever, or nausea…Taking a shower is a sort of “the last thing” that person would want to do. I think Charlie felt a drug addict agony (“felt ill”) and went to his bathroom where he kept drugs. He told Sam that he would take a shower. In the bathroom, he took some amount of substance from his newly-purchased batch, which turned out to have been rogue. As for Dawn, she did it in the morning, secretly from Charlie. He did not realize that her falling ill was caused by his drugs.
          If I correctly remember, after their admission to SDH, police issued some kind of warning about drugs.

          1. I agree, that in all likelihood Charles Rowley and Dawn Sturgess thought they were taking drugs, not spraying perfume.

            1. Fake@anidea, why do you even bother? Everytime someone in your team replies to someone else in your team, we ALL notice.

              It is hilarious, thanks for the laugh!

              Kindly produce some evidence that: “Charles Rowley and Dawn Sturgess thought they were taking drugs, not spraying perfume.”

              Unlike you, there is someone on this blog who has actually spoken to Charlie Rowley. Why don’t you speak to Charlie yourself and ask him if that is what happened?

    3. Why?

      Because the earlier incident took place on a Sunday rather than a Saturday, so at least an additional 24 hours were saved because the labs were on reduced weekend rather than full complement weekday staff.

      Because the earlier incident was running in Toxic Dagger time.

      Apart from a vulnerable couple in sudden distress being weaponised as collateral damage.

  58. A study of a computer model of the properties of Novichok A-234 was published last month.

    “Theoretical study of the molecular aspect of the suspected novichok agent A234 of the Skripal poisoning

    Hanusha Bhakhoa, Lydia Rhyman and Ponnadurai Ramasami
    Published: 06 February 2019 https://doi.org/10.1098/rsos.181831
    Abstract

    Novichoks are the suspected nerve agents in the March 2018 Skripal poisoning. In this context, the novichok agent A234 (chemical structure proposed by Mirzayanov) was studied using computational methods to shed light on its molecular, electronic, spectroscopic, thermodynamic and toxicity parameters as well as on potential thermal and hydrolysis degradation pathways. The poisoning action and antidote of A234 were also investigated. (…)”
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsos.181831
    [PDF with footnote references] https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsos.181831

    Unfortunately the rest of the article means nothing to me because it requires a good knowledge of chemistry. All I can read from it is that hydrolysis (chemical breakdown caused by water) is possible. Perhaps some chemists reading this can say in plain English what it says, especially about how easily the nerve agent degrades?

    1. I am not a chemist but I found this in the summary close to the end
      “the current theoretical work could not authenticate the claim made by Mirzayanov on A234 being more potent than VX ….”

      So it is comparable to the attack on Kim Yong Nam – if he had washed it off in the toilet instead of looking for help he presumably would have survived. And that is probably what saved Charles Rowley – he washed it off.

      1. I don’t know for sure what happened to Charlie – the whole perfume bottle story seems bizarre – but you could be right about how he was saved. Washing his hands would have not just removed nearly all of the poison, it might also have degraded whatever small amount that was left (by hydrolysis).

        That being said, even chemists have been known to be killed or seriously injured by accidentally touching nerve agent. I think it was Uglev who said that washing immediately with acid was the only way to save yourself if you touch Novichok.

        1. Brendan, There are several problems with what Charlie said and what was said in his name.

          When Charlie was in SDH, his brother said Charlie had “smashed” the bottle. Charlie then said that he got whatever it was all over his hands trying to assemble the spray… but how much of the contents would leak by just depressing the plunger a couple of times while you put the applicator in place? You would have to charge the tube inside the bottle before anything came out at all. None of it makes sense.

          Charlie also said the substance was oily – well I have tried to spray a thin cooking oil through that applicator and it can’t be done! Even cooking oil is too viscous. So even if Charlie had managed to get the applicator on, Dawn would not have been able to spray a viscous substance onto her wrists through that applicator.

          As far as washing his hands is concerned… have you seen Charlie’s nails?? The smallest bit left under his nails that he didn’t wash off and… dead! Plus, how much did he inhale?

          Note also the the latest lie from the Met is that the bottle had a cap and you had to remove the cap before inserting the spray mechanism, then you add the applicator. Charlie mentioned no such thing! He only spoke about putting on the applicator. Where did the idea of cap come from?

          My own view is that we have been told too many lies for any of this story to be remotely reliable or trustworthy.

            1. ” … his brother said Charlie had “smashed” the bottle. ”

              The smashed bottle thing has got to be cleared up (ooh, an unintentional pun, missus) because, if the bottle was smashed, how could it possibly have been found, apparently intact, on a worktop in the kitchen?

              Is the ‘smashed’ allegation nonsense, or did one end of the glass vial chip and splinter? There’s no obvious damage on the visible part of the Met CT bottle: so was there damage on the opening end of the glass, that the Met chose not to show?

              And how reliable is the feedback from Charlie’s brother? (rh)

              1. Clearing it up might be difficult… this is what we were told on 12 July:

                “Nerve agent victim Charlie Rowley was contaminated when a bottle containing Novichok broke in his hand, his brother has claimed.

                Matthew Rowley said his brother had told him how he and Dawn Burgess, his partner who died from Novichok poisoning on July 8, found the bottle and Ms Burgess squirted the liquid on both wrists as if trying perfume.

                ‘Charlie said she then gave the bottle to him and somehow it splintered or broke in his hands,’ he told the Sunday Telegraph.”
                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5978565/Bottle-containing-Novichok-broke-nerve-agent-victim-Charlie-Rowleys-hand-brother-claims.html

                What to believe?

                  1. Eleanor, It is indeed hearsay but it is the only source we have for the story that the bottle broke. As you know Charlie didn’t mention it. According to Charlie he had to remove the wrapper and then assemble the applicator; in so doing, he got it all over his hands.

                    As I said: ‘what to believe’?

          2. I have spoken with Charlie and his memory is vague about a lot of detail however he is perhaps one of most interested in learning the truth.

            The lies by the authorities are now clear to see as is the pitiful deceit they pile on the cess pit of lies attempting to cover up the truth.

            But the Truth is emerging and we are learning the names of those responsible for the cover up.

            Going back to Charlie, as in the Salisbury incident the planned story went awry and the botched corrections gave the game away. Before Charlie was well enough to speak to the police, the story was going to be different.

            The problem that Charlie presented was not that he didn’t remember enough it was he remembered too much.

            So in the Skripal case the car was going to be the source and how the car door handle didn’t have large traces of Novichok on it (intimating the “source”) when it was touched a few seconds after the front door we can only speculate. It was only when Bailey became ill the car source had to be ditched. Bailey was almost certainly present when the Maltings pair were contaminated.

            And so it was with Charlie and Dawn, the “container” was going to be found in QEG and the contents exposed around midnight 29/30th June.

            If it hadn’t been for England doing so well in the Russian World Cup things could have been so very different.

            https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/10/nerve-agent-poisoning-inquiry-spreads-to-swindon-car-seized-dawn-sturgess

            1. Sounds very plausible. It is curious that after all the early activity in QEG, including suggestions that the toilets had been used to prepare Novihoax, that it simply vanished from the narrative.

          3. Paul, as I said, the perfume bottle story seems bizarre, so there’s no way that it can all be true (it’s hard to believe that even half of it is true).

            But Charlie was poisoned by something very powerful, very likely the same thing that killed Dawn. While we can’t believe anything that Porton Down says, Novichok should not be ruled out just because that’s what PD identified.

            1. Brendan, It all depends which bits we have been told are true. If it is true that Dawn and 4 March was the same chemical, then it cannot have been Novichok.

              Novichok was in the OPCW database from 2016 when the Iranians synthesised 4 Novichoks and 5 hybrids. But in January 2019, OPCW added 2 new classes of chemicals and Peter Wilson said:

              “The proposal covers the chemical weapon that was used in my country less than a year ago.”

              https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/62nd-executive-council-meeting-of-the-opcw

              So ‘whatever it was’ cannot have been Novichok because that was already in the OPCW database.

              1. The Novichok family is a large number of substances. The ones that the Iranians added might not have included A-234.

            2. Novichok should be ruled out because it didn’t kill the Skripals, Bailey, Charlie, the McCourts, Ian Parsons, Jamie Paine,the duck boys and everyone else at the bench, the staff and customers at the Mill and Zizzis, the police at 47CMR, and a few thousand others in Salisbury.

              OK now we are learning that this is a different type of nerve agent, one that only takes effect after 3 to 12 hours and can be washed off or only fat soluble depending on what type of A234 you have in your counterfeit perfume bottle.

              The Golden Rule with Liars is stop believing anything they say after they have proved themselves Liars.

              Not to do so is silly.

              1. The known facts indicate that Novichok was not used in March. But what poisoned Charlie and Dawn appears to be different to the March 4 substance.

                1. “Known facts” – are there any “known facts”? We have no proof either way: it might have been the same… or it might not.

                  BUT The Met says it was the same… so what you are saying is that The Met is lying again. Now you might be right, or you might be wrong… we have no way to tell.

            3. I think we can assume that A-234 is not that powerful. An indication is that Mirzayanov published the formula in his book for any chemist to try.

              If we assume it works like BZ, and Skripals were helped by extremely competent help some 10 minutes after exposure (with Yulia reported to have stopped breathing), whilst Dawn lay in the bath unattended for quite a while without oxygen, plus Charlie washed most of it off under the tap, and Sergeant Bailey got an extremely small dose to begin with, it is possible that the same substance was used.

    2. Brendan,

      It is a speculative computer modelling article based on a molecular structure which may not be correct.
      A software simulation of how a molecule, which is possibly the correct structure of A-234 would behave.
      As A-234 does exist, better science is possible by using the actual substance.
      As this group did not have access to the real material, they used computer power to predict how A-234 MIGHT behave.

      1. Yes, but I was hoping that the simulation would at least provide an approximation of how the real molecule behaves. In particular, it would be good to have a rough idea of how it degrades and how potent it is.

        The scientists must know how accurate the modelling works for the other substances they describe (since those have been tested in laboratories for many years). They should therefore have a good idea of how accurate their model of A-234 should be.

        At the moment, the computer model is all we know about A-234’s properties, since nobody is admitting that they have tested the real thing. Of course, Porton Down have a whole perfume bottle of the stuff in a highly pure form, but they haven’t said anything about any experimental study of it.

  59. https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/03/25/podruga-predstavila-dokazatelstva-sergeya-i-yuliya-skripal-zhivy.html

    The Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets (MK) reported that in March the Investigative Committee in Moscow had questioned Yulia’s best friend Gulnara with regard to the recent sale of Yulia’s car (it was sold in February). Gulnara showed Yulia’s power of attorney for the car and the flat. The Moscow investigators recognized the PoA legally valid. According to MK, Yulia’s flat will be offered for sale soon. Gulnara told the Moscow investigators that Sergei and Yulia are in a witness protection programme.

    MK asked for a comment a former Russian diplomat. He said that the UK had no witness protection programme. It seems he is not knowledgeable. The UK has the UK Protected Persons Service. For instance, a protected witness’ story (unrelated to the Skripal case):
    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/11/police-ruined-life-says-woman-living-witness-protection

    2. I wonder why Yulia Skripal had to go into witness protection when she clearly did not wish to, and when officials had let her say so.
      They did not let Sergei Skripal phone his mother presumably because they did not want any voice recording but it was no problem to show and let people hear Yulia.
      As the switch happened after the attack on Dawn Sturgess and Charles Rowley, could it have been a targeted attack, and did Dawn witness anything (and was the couple shown on CCTV indeed her). The images were photographed from Snap Fitness Video and re-photographed by the media. They were not published by the police as far as I know.

    3. Actually, the Russian diplomat seems knowledgeable. He is saying that if Skripals were under under witness protection Yulia would be Mary Smith and friends would not have access. Under a witness protection programme not just names would be changed but also finger prints, basically the complete identity.
      He is – in my translation – not saying that there is no witness protection programme in the UK, but that they have a common witness protection programme with the United States. Skripals under this witness protection programme would mean that they are in the United States in one of the states “where Russian diplomats do not go”.
      He assumes – and this is interesting – that Skripals are under control of Secret Services in one of the countries with relations to British Secret Services and he names the Netherlands, Sweden and Estonia.

      1. By the way, that photograph in the article, is that Gulnara with Victoria? The caption in my translation read “A friend showed proof, Sergei and Yulia Skripal are alive”.

          1. Ah, I see: so this article is actually another of Viktoria’s stories. Whether or not the content is reliable, it’s yet again triggered by Viktoria via her MK contacts.

            Gulnara, if I understand things correctly, remains discreet and mute and Yulia’s loyal friend.

            Let’s suppose that Gulnara did indeed fly to Kazakhstan. I’ve noticed that this was also a destination for the peripatetic either P or B. What is it about Kazakhstan, is it turning into a safe haven for quiet money, a London or Zurich of the East and I’ve read that it aims to rival Singapore? Put simply: why Kazakhstan?

              1. Thanks, Milda, and not for the first time – I never cease to be impressed at my own ignorance and I’m always grateful that someone can offer insight.

                So Gulnara’s trip to Kazakhstan might and been no more than a coincidence, and maybe (only ‘maybe’) not worth reporting at all. Whatever. Anyway, it does seem that Viktoria may be trying to keep tabs on her cousin’s activities and Yulia is now estranged from her cousin; the reason may be that Yulia thinks or knows that Viktoria can’t be trusted, or for other reasons.

                Taking the article at face value, Yulia is alive and there is no news whatsover of Sergei, of either his well-being or his whereabouts.

      2. However, why would Skripals in both scenarios – United States or Netherlands, Sweden or Estonia – have to leave Britain?

      3. “… and he names the Netherlands, Sweden and Estonia.”

        This is just this person’s supposition.

        If Sergei and Yulia are locked at an army/secret service base in the UK, for the outside world their situation may be described as a “witness protection programme.” How could Gulnara know that Sergei and Yulia are in such a programme? 1) Yulia wrote her this via a messenger, under supervision by her handlers; 2) Gulnara was told this by a British diplomat who handed her Yulia’s power of attorney. Apparently, Gulnara got the paper through the UK Embassy in Moscow.

  60. How can you lose everything within your Line Of Duty?
    House-Car/s-Kiddies Toys-Everything?
    Nurses attending Dodgy in Spacesuits-Wife,Kids unprotected?

    None of this is adding-up?

    How would an alleged Russian Novichok Deadly Military Grade
    Type-Stuff-Gel-Gas-Liquid-Perfume make you lose everything
    you have worked for?

    Another Woman is within this equation and Sunday 03-18
    has uncovered illicit activities.

    Cover via BBC Propaganda Machine…………………………….

  61. It’s Novichok Jim but not as we know it

    https://ibb.co/B6sgtLr

    A quarter of a pin prick could kill someone instantaneously.

    Vs

    Pour it all over your hands, inhale it and wait 8 hours for symptoms to develop.

    1. Everywhere we look, it is the same story:

      Novichok is lethal – it’s not lethal
      Bailey was first at the bench – he wasn’t at the bench
      Yulia was in the AA – she wasn’t in the AA
      It was Zizzi then Mill – it was Mill then Zizzi
      etc
      etc.

      The only possible conclusion is that we are being deliberately lied to – it simply cannot be human error.

      When we know we are being lied to, why should we believe any part of the narrative at all? Where is independent proof that anything happened?

      There isn’t a single picture to prove anything happened – that is impossible.

      1. Not content with re-writing history they are now re-writing science.

        Novichok poisoning now has a similar incubation period to a paracetamol overdose.

        But there are people who will still believe it.

        1. Peter, I came to this blog almost 12 months ago believing that something really had happened and wanting to find out what that was. For precisely the reason you note above, I no longer believe that anything significant actually did happen – at least not remotely along the lines of the official narrative.

          It was a hoax and a very dangerous hoax at that, since it seems at least one purpose was to antagonise Russia.

          Why? Russia has never invaded or even threatened to invade the UK. The last time the UK and Russia actually fought each other was the Crimean War (1854-56) the fighting was on Russian soil and history says that the UK started it…

          Why would any government lie to deliberately provoke a far more powerful state?

          1. Before any history buffs jump on me and say the UK and Russia fought each other in the Russian Civil War (1918-21). That was a multi-national ‘Allied intervention’ military expedition launched after the Bolshevik government withdrew from World War I, in which the Allied Powers backed the anti-communist White Russian forces. So that wasn’t just a UK/Russia war… and even so, it was fought on Russian soil and the Allies started it! The name of the coutry Belarus translates as ‘white Russia’.

          2. “Why would any government lie to deliberately provoke a far more powerful state?”

            Because when Mrs May was caught out using Mi6 to harm Trump’s election campaign and then his Presidency she really was in a fix and completely at his mercy.

            So when Trump wanted NordStream 2/3 scuppering and an economic attack launched on Russia, May had no other option but to go along with the lunacy.

    2. All that really happened initially was a Russian spy and his daughter attacked with an organophosphate presumably Kim Yong Nam style.

      The rest was spin and “being overcautious”.

      The problem is in the chemical turning up at Charles Rowley’s place and managing to kill Dawn Sturgess but not Charles Rowley.

      1. Err… no! No Russian spies were ‘attacked’ (‘initially’ or otherwise!) – that is just part of the nonsense narrative! NOTHING happened!!

        There is no evidence that the Skripals were anywhere near the bench at 4pm on 4 March and there is no evidence that anyone was attacked with an organophosphate poison!

      2. Why did it not Kill all Salisbury People-Wild Life-Pets If So Deadly?
        Military Grade Type-Stuff Liquid-Gel-Gas-Perfume!

  63. A Reminder of the “Facts”

    The Skripals left their home and drove 400m before being caught by a CCTV camera at 1:33pm. 12 Minutes later they were handing bread to children in the park area of the Maltings.

    Then 2 hrs 18mins after the duck feeding at 4:03pm a couple were seen on a bench in the Maltings in a distressed state (approx 2 and a half hours after leaving home). If it was the Skripals on the bench they had apparently been to a pub and restaurant for drinks and food and approx half an hour unaccounted for (Official Narrative)

    1:40 Car Park

    (40mins)

    2:20 Zizzi In

    3:35 Zizzi Out

    (28 mins)

    4:03 Bench

    OPCW advice on nerve agents

    “Poisoning takes longer when the nerve agent enters the body through the skin. Nerve agents are more or less fat-soluble and can penetrate the outer layers of the skin. However, it takes some time before the poison reaches the deeper blood vessels. Consequently, the first symptoms do not occur until 20-30 minutes after the initial exposure but subsequently the poisoning process may be rapid if the total dose of nerve agent is high.”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20180314094036/https://www.opcw.org/protection/types-of-chemical-agent/nerve-agents/

    2 hrs 30mins – The Skripals (One of them a Large Dermal Dose the other a lesser one)

    3 Days – Bailey (Dose ?)

    Dawn – 15 mins (Large Dermal Dose + Inhalation)

    Charlie – 8 hours (Large Dermal Dose + Inhalation)

    1. It sounds very much like Dawn died from an anaphylactic shock possibly brought on by an opiate intolerance.

      I believe there was a delay in getting an ambulance to her and she had stopped breathing before she was put in the ambulance. Dawn and Charlie’s friend Sam Hobson who was present when Dawn was put into the ambulance said;

      “That day, I stayed at Charlie’s and Dawn was there, I left them in the morning because it was my son’s birthday, I came back about two hours later and there I saw ambulances. was weeping and Dawn on a stretcher with a pump to breathe in. She did not look … alive, ”

      Charlie on the other hand had built up a strong tolerance of opiates through years of drug abuse. That day he had been to the chemist to pick up his methadone prescription, if having taken it later that day it could have been enough to put him into an overdose if his morning spillage of the “perfume” onto his hands had indeed been on opiate cocktail.

      I can’t see how anyone can believe that you can spill Novichok all over your hands, sniff it and still be able to go for a 4+ mile walk, eat, go shopping and culminating in a steep hill on the return journey and then only become ill 8 hours later.

      The story is nonsensical anyone believing it is as daft as those that made it up.

        1. Correct anidea! Novihoax is a Fantasy-Bluff taken from a crap
          BBC Thriller-Espionage Show.

      1. Thank you, Peter.

        From the attached document :
        https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/738497/ED_briefing_note_nerve_agents.pdf

        Quote : “Patients with Novichok poisoning present within hours of exposure,typically less than 6 hours…“

        How does this explain that Bailey supposedly needed two days to show symptoms ?

        Quote : “Muscle weakness / fasiculation“ – „Painful dim vision / nicotinic effects predominates”

        That contradicts witness statements „rigid“ – „catatonic“.
        In addition, it would be impossible to wide open your eyes when it comes to poison-related muscle weakness with nicotinic effects. The eyelids would rather fold down.

        Quote : “There is no need to dispose of any furnishings. There is no need to undertake any re-assurance environmental sampling.“

        This obviously only applies to SDH when you see what was done to Skripal´s house and the bench area.

        Quote : “The free chemical agent is not expected to be present in significant quantities in blood or sputum. It is possible low levels of active metabolites are present.“

        How did the OPCW determine “high purity” from metabolites ?

        Quote : “Normal CSSD [Central Sterile Supply Department] practices should be sufficient to clear free active agent and metabolites.“

        But for the public it is sufficient to use baby wipes…

        1. Sergeant Bailey: “however any illness occurring within 12 hours after potentially linked to contact with suspect materials/contaminated locations should be investigated” – he said he thought he could “sleep it off”. Onset of first symptoms felt possibly even in the 6 hour time frame.
          Symptoms: Convulsion – would translate to “fitting, rigidity”?
          They seem to think organophosphate poisoning could be initially mistaken for heroin/fentanyl overdose, which I find curious …. though obviously that had happened in Salisbury
          The “there is no need” is a joke considering they removed the bench, Skripal’s roof and Zizzi’s table
          I think you skipped the “in significant quantities”, chemical testing does not mind the quantity nowadays. I don’t believe OPCW could have found it after two weeks in the blood samples though anyway.
          OPCW did not report “high purity” novichok in the blood samples – they said this
          “The results of analysis of biomedical samples conducted by OPCW designated laboratories demonstrate the exposure of the three hospitalised individuals to this toxic chemical.”
          Sure, the “Novichok poisoning” as referred to by National Health is not as dangerous and contagious as presented by counterterrorism.

      2. This is an interesting passage.

        ‘Time of onset & symptomatology
        Patients with Novichok poisoning present within hours of exposure, typically
        less than 6 hours; however any illness occurring within 12 hours after
        potentially linked to contact with suspect materials / contaminated locations
        should be investigated’

        Weren’t we all told it was ‘the most toxic NA 6-8 more potent than VX and a super Nerve Agent?
        How could it then take 12hrs till symptoms show?

        What would be the point of a Nerve Agent if not to kill the target in minutes if not seconds?
        Mask in 9 to save time.
        These means are only produced for one reason and taking >12hrs to show symptoms is an absolute joke that nobody should be buying.
        No evidence.
        No CCTV.

        And then there is this- https://twitter.com/OARichardEngel/status/980161745665908736

    3. Are we sure about Dawn’s 15 minutes? Does it depend on Charles Rowley’s memory?
      Time the ambulance came for Dawn was 10:15, for Charlie 15:30, that is a time difference of 5:15, if we believe Wikipedia.

  64. What would pre-empt a plain clothed Detective Sargent to equip himself with
    a Body cam at start of his shift on a Sunday [04-03-18].
    Was he already aware of what was going to unfold?

    Uniformed officers with body cameras would do a property search [47 CMR]
    with plain clothed in attendance-overlooking the operation.
    I believe Dodgy Nick’s shift start time has been altered.

    1. Was his body cam worn inside or outside his forensic suit at 47 CMR?

      Who were the coppers at 47CMR at 5:00pm? What did they do?

      Did they knock? Try the door handle? Hang around ’till midnight?

      That is subject to an ongoing criminal investigation so we may never know.

      1. 15:00-23:00hrs or 15:00-03:00hrs is an illogical Duty Shift Pattern.
        With cuts to Police Budgets and more being covered by overtime
        07:00-19:00hrs would be a more practical Duty Shift on a Sunday.

        This would put Bailey at 47CMR on around 17:00 with time to spare
        doing what ever within property.

        19:00-07:00hrs Shift returned later around 00:00hrs to do a proper
        search of property.
        Dodgy had been and gone at this time. Hence Night Shift doing a
        search in protective clothing-body cams at midnight on Dodgy Nick’s
        instruction at Shift Change Over.

        Dodgy Nick’s start time has bee altered to fit a timeline of untrue events
        and removing himself from an illegal entry at 47CMR.

        Just My Theory.

        1. I believe the 15:00 start time to be correct because Sgt Holloway said she started at the same time. So probably 24 hours of shifts split in 3 x 8 hours.

          15:00 – 23:00

          23:00 – 7:00

          7:00 – 15:00

          But that means Bailey was called on to do a lengthy forensic search after his shift was completed. No one else available?

          But also by 23:00 Skripal’s ID was known and security services alerted to the situation, they would have taken charge at 47 CMR

          Bailey said in the Panarama programme that he started his shift at 15:00 but to confirm that I asked the Met police in a Freedom of Information Request what time he started and finished his shift that day.

          My request was refused because the Information I was seeking was held for the purpose of criminal investigation and / or prosecution.

          In the same request I asked if PC Collins and Sgt Holloway had been sent to hospital overnight for decontamination as Actg CC Pritchard had stated. I asked this because PC Collins contradicted Pritchard’s statement in a newspaper interview.

          I got the same response: Refused. On the same grounds, that the information was held for the purpose of Criminal Investigation and / or Prosecution.

          I also asked about the Red Bag couple caught on Snap Fitness CCTV, I asked to see the CCTV images of them emerging into the Maltings and to discover where they went after that.

          Again – Refused, information held for the purpose of Criminal Investigation and / or Prosecution.

          I have lodged a complaint with the Information Commissioners Office.

          1. Very Good Peter! I was thinking BBC Panorama Propaganda had altered
            Bailey’s Shift time to fit the lie narrative removing him from an illegal search
            of 47 CMR and other Dodgy discrepancies regarding his actions.

    2. He might have been issued a body cam (not necessarily wearing it, or switched on) as we are led to believe that he was hunting down illegal workers.
      Camera would be used to show there had been no abuse or derogatory behaviour shown.

      1. How many other Officers were working with Bailey on this Operation
        if true. Would Immigration Officers-Border Agents need to attend?
        Surly Bailey would not be alone?

      2. Illegal Workers on a Sunday-Early Closing. Do you believe that?
        Can Salisbury Residents Confirm Foreign Looking People In-Around
        Maltings-Sainsbury’s-Other Not Speaking English Working In Retail
        Fast Food Outlets-Looking Russian Or Other?

  65. For those interested in the history and medical aspects ……

    Mechanism of Action (1061, p 3 of 12)

    “Exposure to NA vapour may result in a rapid onset of symptoms (in seconds), and high vapour levels can be lethal within one to two minutes. There is no real mechanism for the body to ‘‘store’’ inhaled NA for release over time, and if a patient survives the initial exposure for more than 20-30 min without respiratory failure, they have a good chance of survival. In cases of very low dermal exposure, symptoms may not occur for up to 18 hr. The slow onset of symptoms may lead to the ‘‘clearing’’ of a patient who might still suffer from the effects of an NA as time progresses. Fortunately, the longer the delay of the onset of symptoms, the lesser the severity of symptoms. Dermal exposure from persistent agents is probably the greatest hazard to healthcare providers and rescue workers.”

    https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs12630-017-0920-2.pdf

    correction https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12630-017-1005-y

        1. And then there are Incapacitants or Central Nervous System (CNS) Acting Chemicals

          https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/files/documents/CSP/C-14/open-forum/Dangerous-Ambiguities-Regulation-of-Riot-Control-Agents-and-Incapacitants-under-the-Chemical-Weapons-Convention_Rev.1.pdf

          https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/files/documents/SAB/en/SAB_Chair_Presentation_at_CSP22_Side_Event_on_CNS-Acting_Chemicals.PDF

          https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=1094

          https://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctrine/dod/fm8-9/3ch6.htm

          FM 8-9NATO HANDBOOK ON THE MEDICAL ASPECTS OF NBC DEFENSIVE OPERATIONS AMedP-6(B)

          http://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM8-9%2896%29.pdf

          Part III – Chemical

          Chapter 2 – Nerve Agents

          Chapter 6 – Incapacitants

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQD5CaNscvc

      CCTV of Kim Yong Nam when attacked with VX on airport. Route presumably via eyes and nose.

      He enquired for and walked to the airport medical center himself. I guess, depending on dosis (which was too weak for Skripals anyway) they would have had 50 to 100 meters to walk to the bench.

    1. There was a lot of speculation that it had come for Assange. It had tail number N996GA and used the callsign JENA622 for the return flight. The plane belongs to the US Dept of Justice but I read that the callsign is specifically FBI. Believed to be 6 people on board when it left Luton, including the crew.

      1. Luton? That’s just down the road!

        I used to fly near there, many times.

        Then again, why Luton and not Northholt?

        Getting into and out of Luton airport is a very public process, it’s overlooked, and the access to it is very tight (speaking from recent experience).

  68. That’s The End Of ISIS-All Gone Destroyed-Never Happen Again!

    RAF Tornado aircraft finished-Scrap. Can’t fight over Syria now
    because replacement aircraft don’t work-rubbish-unreliable………..
    Another Great UK-MOD Bungle….Tax Payers Money ££££££’s

    So ISIS Operation [Flap] Another Success for HMG-MOD?

    1. Young Gavin is gushing in the Sunday Telegraph.
      Almost Churchillian in tone.
      I was getting teary reading it.
      A medal too for our drone pilots.

      1. Royal Navy Crew’s operating on board U.K.s new “Leaky Super Gargantuan Carrier”
        are to receive “Duke Of Edinburgh Bronze-Silver-Gold Award’s” for lifesaving under
        adverse leaking conditions at sea.
        Needle and thread will be provided says Little Gavin.

        1. Got no aircraft! Renaming HMS CARAVAN! Putting static caravan park on
          large ironing bored flight deck with amusements crazy golf bingo fast food.
          Lots of fun for family on a bank holiday.
          Poo bags are provided for customer use

  70. I have had a refusal to a Freedom of Information Request that I submitted to the Metropolitan police, I have forwarded a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office (ICO).

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/actions_of_ds_nick_bailey_on_the#outgoing-865566

    The refusal letter

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/539707/response/1334627/attach/html/3/attachment.docx.html

    Within the response however was quite a useful Commentary which I had not asked for;

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/539707/response/1334627/attach/html/4/attachment.docx.html

    My Complaint to the ICO is quite detailed but here is a summary that I attached to the complaint form;

    “I have a number of concerns that I will detail in a future communication but the essence is:

    1) The authority has refused my FoIR by applying an inappropriate blanket exemption not applicable for several parts of my request (I will supply details).

    2) The authority has been dishonest and is attempting to use the the FoIA to cover up its deceit

    3) The authority assumes a villainous purpose for my request (“seeking a commentary”) which I strongly refute, I have told them I am seeking the truth.

    4) The authority has in concert with another authority conspired to frustrate the FoIA’s purpose and mine and others rights to information on the matter concerned.”

    [ the other authority that the Met has conspired with is the South Western Ambulance Service who refused my request for the arrival and departure times of ambulances re the Salisbury and Amesbury incidents, on ludicrous grounds;
    Section 24 – Safeguarding National Security
    Section 38 – Endangering Health & Safety
    Section 40 – Confidential Information.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/wiltshire_poisonings_ambulance_a#outgoing-864711 ]

    1. These FoIAs are a joke. They delude us into thinking that we have rights. In reality, these rights exist only on paper. The most threadbare reasons can be given to keep information confidential.

      1. Pritchard said Bailey was one of the First Responders. He wasn’t.

        Pritchard said the First Responders were sent to Salisbury District Hospital overnight for decontamination. They weren’t.

        Now an Act of Parliament is being abused to hide details of those lies.

      2. Liane. I’ve known for many years that they are a joke – through my own futile attempts to seek the truth over other ‘politically sensitive’ matters.

    2. At least the reply documentation confirmed the Met CT official line:

      “9 March 2018 response to a newspaper inquiry
      IF ASKED: Why was a detective sergeant (Nick Bailey) a first responder?
      He attended the initial scene in the town centre.
      IF ASKED: It’s been suggested DS Nick Bailey was contaminated at Skripal’s house. Did he go to the
      house? Can you confirm he definitely went to the Maltings?
      He was a first responder to the initial scene in the town centre. We are not discussing further.

      These MPS Press Lines dated 1 March 2019 contradict what DSNB himself said in his Panorama interview of 22 November 2019.

      I think that there is considerable signficance that Wiltshire Police, specifically DSNB and later PS Holloway and PC Collins, were prepared to publicly express (part of) their personal recollections of that day. Presumably they’ve done so with the permission and support of their superiors.

      The trouble is, I not entirely sure what that significance is – I’d prefer to give greater credibility to the local police force, partly because of their active involvement in the incident and partly because they’re further from the black ops hub than are the Met.

      1. “He was a first responder to the initial scene in the town centre”
        is clear enough. Initial scene does not say bench, does not say first aid to Skripals.

        1. The Initial Scene was at the bench, on March 9th the door handle hadn’t been dreamt up to cover up Bailey’s unfortunate predicament.

          The police deliberately told us a false Narrative

          That is a fact, deny it to your hearts content but it won’t go away.

          We have been told lie after lie even about the overnight decontamination at the hospital.

          But it is the big lies that will nail them and where Bailey got contaminated (if he did) is one of the bigger lies

          …….

          “Nick was part of the initial response” Actg CC Pritchard

          https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/article/1809/Statements-from-Detective-Sergeant-Nick-Bailey-his-wife-Sarah-and-Chief-Constable-Kier-Pritchard-following-DS-Bailey-s-release-from-hospital

          Police guidelines to media inquiries

          https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/539707/response/1334627/attach/html/4/attachment.docx.html

          9 March 2018 response to a newspaper inquiry

          IF ASKED: Why was a detective sergeant (Nick Bailey) a first responder?
          He attended the initial scene in the town centre.

          IF ASKED: It’s been suggested DS Nick Bailey was contaminated at Skripal’s house. Did he go to the house? Can you confirm he definitely went to the Maltings?

          He was a first responder to the initial scene in the town centre. We are not discussing further.

          ……

          Wiltshire Police officer Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who was amongst those first to respond to the incident, was also taken ill and remains in a serious but stable condition in hospital.

          ………

          IF ASKED: where/how did Nick Bailey come into contact with the nerve agent? As previously stated, Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey was among the first responders to this incident. At this stage, we are not discussing further details of his movements as they form a line of enquiry in the complex and ongoing investigation.

          ……….

          26 April in response to a question from a newspaper

          IF ASKED: Re where Nick Bailey came into contact with the nerve agent: NPTD.
          27 April in response to questions from The Times newspaper and Ch4
          IF ASKED: re movements of DS Bailey in relation to the Salisbury investigation? As we have previously stated, DS Bailey was amongst the first responders. Not prepared to discuss further.

          …………

          Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, a Wiltshire police officer who was amongst the first to respond to the incident, also fell seriously ill after being exposed to the nerve agent and was admitted to hospital on 6 March. Since being discharged from hospital on 22 March, Nick has continued to make good progress but remains off work.

          ………….

          Theresa May:”I would like to pay tribute to all of the emergency services in Salisbury – those who reacted to the initial call on Sunday and those who continue to respond to this appalling and reckless attack.I n particular, my thoughts are with Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey – one of the first responders -who remains in a serious condition in hospital.“We are all thinking of him, his family, friends and colleagues – and the two other victims – at what is an incredibly difficult time.“ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5759829/nick-bailey-hero-police-poison-attack-salisbury/

          ……..

          1. Because the truth has been distorted the identity of the actual first responders at the scene is uncertain but the following people, going off the most recent Official Narrative and available evidence, these appear to the individuals involved.,

            Police: PC Alex Collins and Sgt Tracy Holloway (+ PC Alex Way and Escort Officer Janet Bald)

            Ambulance Service: Ian Parsons

            Passers by: Abigail McCourt and mother Col Alison McCourt

            The precise timings, sequence and who did what is still not known, CCTV footage of the initial response would assist with that but that is being kept hidden

            1. “The Initial Scene was at the bench … ”

              I don’t think anyone here is disputing, or has disputed, this – there has been much discussion about what actually happened and to whom, but the location isn’t in dispute (well, not by me anyway).

              Nonetheless, what the MPS Presslines was at pains to specifically neither confirm or deny is that the bench at The Maltings was where the incident took place.

              1. I don’t think there is much doubt, by serious researchers, that the pair found at the bench were poisoned at the bench or near to it, an aerosol of Incapacitant being the most likely candidate.

                What emerged from the meticulously managed (but dreadfully played out) False Narratives indicates to me, at least, that Bailey got accidentally contaminated in that operation.

                That is supposition on my part but based on solid facts plus the police lies, evasions, false narratives and concealment of the truth.

                Where Bailey got poisoned (if he did), how and why is a central part of the Hoax that started to go wrong at that precise moment. It all unraveled from that first unforeseen event.

                However only a bloody fool would have thought the plan would go without hitches and it was such a hair brained scheme anyway.

                Put fools in charge of the planning, execution and cover up and you get precisely what we got it Salisbury.

                What we got in Amesbury was pure wickedness and everyone who has taken part in the cover up from day one (4th March) is responsible for the disgrace and humiliation that they have brought on themselves, their families, their professions and the country.

                These people are the lowest of the low …… and most funded by the British taxpayer.

                Putin thinks traitors are scum, these people are much much worse.

              2. I just disputed it. Have a look at the video of Kim Yong Un’s poisoning, how far he was able to walk afterwards and alert people. That is the radius of the initial scene. I guess it goes as far as the Mill’s pub and Avon park. Possibly hero Sergeant Bailey decided to chase the attackers assuming Skripals were okay as they continued walking.

                1. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear: all I’m saying is that something happened on a bench in The Maltings on 4 March 2018, and it made international news. I can make this claim on photographic evidence that the area was cordoned off, and those images are in the public domain.

                  What I’m not claiming is that the entire incident was entirely encompassed within the area of the immediate police cordon. So the radius of the crime scene doesn’t preclude the Skripals having parked in Sainsbury’s car park, fed the ducks, gone to eat at Zizzi and had a drink at the Mill.

                  The rest of it: I know I don’t know, and I admit that; I think of it as keeping an open mind, others may call it indecisive. But you are right and I apologise: not everyone agrees that anything at all happened at the bench.

            2. “But I just said – well – have a wander down there, there was nothing around at the bench – that we could see” …….. Bailey (3mins 40secs , part 1)

              Panorama programme

              part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NjQ3jFe8iQ

              part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l5jwrspMDk

              part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdfF3FJtq4

              ……….

              “The uniformed officers called CID and a duty inspector. They helped get the Skripals into ambulances. Sergei was still rigidly fixed in a sitting position, so it was hard to manoeuvre him on to a stretcher. CID officers attended. “They were like: ‘That’s fine, everything’s OK’, and off they went again,” said Holloway.”

              https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/14/we-did-our-best-police-who-rushed-to-skripal-scene-tell-of-shock-and-pride

              1. “The uniformed officers called CID and a duty inspector. They helped get the Skripals into ambulances.”

                Now you mention it, this too is problematic. It does not say that CID and a duty inspector attended; and ‘They … ‘ might refer to those known to have been present at the bench, or it might suggest that those who helped included ‘CID and a duty inspector’.

                The latter seems less likely, in terms of the narrative, because this is possibly the only time that a police inspector has been mentioned; this inspector is not DSNB. Holloway and Collins, according to The Guardian, didn’t simply say that they called CID, they say they called CID and the matter was referred upwards to the duty inspector.

                1. Hmm, I might get kicked quite hard for using ‘say’ when they didn’t actually say what they did or didn’t do.

                  Anyway, the implication is that ‘they said something along the lines of … ‘ blah blah.

              2. Yes. They are talking about the bench. That is highly unlikely the “initial scene”. “Novichok”, VX, whatever. Most of them take a while.
                Skripals were walking. If attacked they would presumably do something like Kim Yong Un. Walk to a place where they could call and wait for help. So were they in Avon Park duck feeding (for the second time) as Mark Urban suggests?

                1. My hypothesis considered an Incapacitant not a Nerve Agent and inhaled.

                  What makes you thing Nerve Agents “take a while”?

                  Through dermal contact Nerve Agents can take 20 – 30 mins for clinical symptoms to present.

                  Through inhalation it can be seconds.

                  Public Health England (Porton Down) advice on the “Stuff” identified in Salisbury and Amesbury was it produced clinical symptoms for very large doses doses in a minimum of 3 hours and up to a maximum of 12 hours for significant doses when contact is through the skin.

        2. Indeed, and not for the first time have I wondered about the other couple – the couple for whom the air ambulance was summoned, but the female was transferred to hospital by road – were players in the event, or was their (or her) overdose crisis no more than a genuine coincidence.

          If the air ambulance wasn’t in Sainsbury’s car park because of the incident at the bench (and we are told that it wasn’t), then the helicopter incident log implies it was for that other couple. And where did those two paramedics go, when the helicopter landed: did they both go to the bench, did they both go to the other incident, did they head off in different directions, or what happened? The helicopter seems to have departed without either of them.

          1. The WAA log actually states that a Rapid response vehicle was dispached to the scene from Devizes (40km) and not the helicopter which is a bit odd because they have plenty of ambulances in Salisbury.

            Salisbury hospital helipad requires a road ambulance transfer to the A&E dept because of the distance involved.

            Because of the distance of the helicopter from the bench another road ambulance transfer would have been required.

            Its all a bit odd

            1. “Its all a bit odd … ”

              Definitely something we agree on.

              Point taken, about the RRV rather than the helicopter being sent, but what remains is which incident(s) did the heli paramedics attend? Why were extra paramedics rushed to Salisbury at that time of day, and why didn’t they return to the helicopter which then departed without paramedics on board (because an air ambulance without paramedics is just a helicopter).

              I think what you’re also saying is that the AA can only have been there in case emergency patient(s) needed transporting further afield than SDH.

              1. WAA 4:19pm log states “patient fitting” (singular)

                I don’t know what the AA was doing there, it shouldn’t have been there.

                Why it was called / went was odd

                What it did there was odd

                What it did on the way there was odd

                What happened at WAA and Heli Charter Ltd afterwards was odd

                3 other air ambulances plus 4 other helicopters related to the AA network operating in the area that day was odd.

                The deletion, editing and falsification of Air Tracking data for that day is odd

                The seizing of G-WLTS Fight recorder for analysis was odd

                Everything is odd …….

                Until you make sense of it

  71. Wonders of modern technology,We have CCTV of possible hammer
    attack on Mosque in Birmingham.
    The important thing is we have clear footage of a large bin with lid
    and wheel’s. Very same type as Charlie’s bin!!!
    Why no CCTV of Charlie’s bin?

    1. Dawn-Charlie not Politically Correct within Bigger Picture of
      TPTB-HMG-POLICE Lie! Both Dawn-Charlie used forcing a
      lie that was dead in water with Sheep losing interest………..

      Couldn’t possibly have Member Of Police Force [Hero] dying
      due Novihoax. [He just lost everything-allegedly]

      Dawn Lost Her Life!

  72. From 11 March, 2019, Guardian article:

    “She immediately called for an ambulance and told the operator to alert the police and the British security services. … Police and paramedics arrived, followed by a special chemical unit response vehicle.”

    Nikolai Glushkov’s daughter appeals for witnesses a year after his murder
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/11/nikolai-glushkov-daughter-appeals-witnesses-murder-natalia-glushkova

    Even with Glushkov’s background, is it not odd to call 999 and ask for “British security services”?

    Is it not also odd that “a special chemical unit response vehicle” was sent to an apparent suicide?

    The Guardian also said:
    “She believes her father’s case and the attack on Skripal – which the government blames on Moscow and has had greater media attention – could be linked. “Skripal’s case was very loud. If you want something to go unnoticed you make a firework,” she said.”

    So one year after she found her murdered father, Natalia Glushkova says she thinks his death could be linked to the Skripals… but The Met says it is not linked.

    Who are we going to believe?

      1. We all know that!

        What Natalia Glushkova said was far more specific:
        “…her father’s case and the attack on Skripal could be linked.”

        Which is also hinted at by the Russian Embassy – a red scrolling banner at the top of their web page, mentions only 2 things:
        1) the number of days since the Skripal incident; and
        2) the number of days since Glushkov was murdered.

    2. “…is it not odd to call 999 and ask for British security services?”
      What number would you have expected her to call for British security services? Would she know it? Do you know it?

      “Is it not also odd that a special chemical unit response vehicle was sent to an apparent suicide?”
      His death was reported a day or 2 after it was determined the Skripals had been attacked with a toxic chemical, possibly a nerve agent. With the report of this bew new Russian victim, it seems perfectly reasonable have to have sent a unit to test for toxic chemicals.

      1. You have managed to miss both points!

        I said: “Even with Glushkov’s background, is it not odd to call 999 and ask for “British security services”?” – that means, why would she have thought to ask for the security services at all? The police and ambulance I understand but why ‘security services’?

        You said: “His death was reported a day or 2 after it was determined the Skripals had been attacked with a toxic chemical, possibly a nerve agent. ” – apart from the fact it was almost a week, not 2 days, are you saying that a special chemical unit response vehicle would be sent to “test for toxic chemicals” at every apparent suicide? Who called for the chemical response unit to be depolyed and why, is my question!

  73. German TV ZDF did the work the BBC should have done.
    30 minutes investigation into Arron Banks campaign.
    Unfortunately only the German version without subtitles :
    https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/zdfzoom/zdfzoom-angriff-auf-die-demokratie-102.html

    I translate what the ZDF wrote about the film :
    The UK Electoral Commission is convinced that there is evidence that much of the funding for a campaign before the Brexit referendum comes from dubious sources.
    The focus will be on British businessman Arron Banks, a strip-puller and close friend of former Ukip leader Nigel Farage. His offshore accounts are said to have raised nearly nine million pounds in donations.
    The “ZDFzoom” documentation deals with the question: “Was the Brexit referendum a conspiracy to test the limits of democracy?” The research suggests that voters should be obscured and influenced as effectively as possible. “ZDFzoom” author Dirk Laabs not only keeps track of the cash flow, but also talks to insiders from the campaign and confronts its head, former Ukip boss Nigel Farage. In an interview with ZDF, Farage also talks about the influence American consultants had on the campaign. Steve Bannon, former Advisor to US President Trump, was one of the key advisers in the game.
    Specifically, it is about millions of loans, which Banks Pro-Brexit campaign has received.
    According to him, the money may not come from him, but from companies based in the Isle of Man and Gibraltar, who would have used the money to interfere in the election campaign.
    Meanwhile, the National Crime Agency investigates. It is to reveal the hitherto veiled campaign funding.
    Nigel Farage, in an interview with “ZDFzoom” author Dirk Laabs, speaks candidly of how close the camps have worked together and how important Trump’s former advisor Steve Bannon was to Britain’s campaign:
    “Previously, I did not have any media allies, no voice. Then Steve helped us. If you suddenly have multiple voices on your side, it all changes.”
    Farage says he and Steve Bannon have understood that “sometimes people want ‘a wrecking ball’ that destroys the old system of ‘pompous politicians’.”
    A whistleblower who has worked for the Leave campaign is convinced :
    “The various Brexit campaigns broke the law, resorting to a whole network of companies to be able to spend more money. Without these scams, the EU referendum would have been different.”
    In the documentation “ZDFzoom” author Dirk Laabs explores the questions :
    Which questionable methods convinced the majority of the British to vote for Brexit?
    Which interests and profiteers are behind it?
    And Laabs asks stakeholders in Brussels what measures should be taken and could be taken with a view to the European elections, to regulate future digital-campaigns or make them more controllable.

    1. The expression “make elections controllable” is ominous. As I seem to remember the problem was David Cameroon who called for a referendum without offering realistic scenarios. When you want people to vote on something you have to have planned alternatives.
      Obviously, it was a Steve Bannon “first run”.
      https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/new-evidence-emerges-of-steve-bannon-and-cambridge-analyticas-role-in-brexit
      The whole “Russia collusion” campaign is used to hide that money in off-shore accounts has interests of its own and politicians are used as puppets for the interests that back it.

    2. All The New Yorker is speculating about is proven true by the ZDF documentation.

      The New Yorker quote : „There are direct links between the political movements behind Brexit and Trump. We’ve got to recognise the bigger picture here. This is being coordinated across national borders by very wealthy people in a way we haven’t seen before.”

      The truth behind all the meddling is not Russia vs UK/US – it´s about the super rich against the voters, no matter what nationality these super rich have.
      What we actually see are steadily growing targeted actions by all kinds of think tanks and companies like Cambridge Analytica to influence people.
      It´s the big battle for our minds – to our detriment !

      The eye opener was Trump´s statement on the Kashoggi murder. Arms deals are much more important than human rights…

      Here are the Brexit facts listed :
      https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/brexit-bankroller-arron-banks-cambridge-analytica-and-steve-bannon-expl/

      1. Liane, David Cameron’s govt spent £9 on a pro EU puff piece that was sent to every house in the country. For reasons that are still not clear, that spending did not count towards the ‘official’ Remain spending limit!

        Both sides cheated!

        The ‘Open Democracy’ piece you link to was written by Peter Geoghegan, he is a Globalist of a leftist persuasion… ‘he would say that wouldn’t he’.

          1. £9.00 [Pound] Had a laugh when Eastender Actor said Camoron was
            a T*** sitting with Trotter’s Up Sunning Himself!
            £9.00 [Pound] sounds about correct for a Moron.

            P.S. I not an Eastenders Fan-Viewer.

        2. The problem is not propaganda everyone sees and can discuss.
          The problem is social media analyzing personal habit and using psychological vulnerabilities to target individuals accordingly without anyone else knowing what has been spread.

          It has become very obvious that BREXIT was put to a referendum vote without a feasible plan. So the culprit is David Cameron playing politics. He miscalculated same as the Clinton campaign. Robert Mercer’s algorithms had made him incredibly rich in the stock exchange. This type of algorithm also worked when microtargeting voters.

          It is an obvious danger to democracy. When people don’t discuss the same set of facts any more but everyone sits in his own echo chamber filled by artificial intelligence.

    3. @Liane

      I started watching the ZDF-piece and stopped after one minute. It starts with Verhofstadt talking to
      the EU parliament:

      “We have a fifth column in the ranks of the EU family; I call them the “Cheerleaders of Putin”….”

      Thanks, but no thanks!

  74. I very shocked at England result World Cup {Russia} I wish a request
    for a rematch until England are Winners!
    All losing games-matches are null-void until England Winners!

    Mr J.Berscoe…..No Chance Mrs May…
    How can Mrs May be allowed playing again for 3rd time when Mr Berscoe
    say No!!!

  75. How on earth is R.M.S.THERESA MAY still afloat? We need a
    Devastating Torpedo below waterline!
    Sink Her….Any Means……By Order…Ende!

    1. Theresa May keeps going up in my estimation. It’s all the other MPs who are going down.

      1. “Theresa May keeps going up in my estimation”.

        Is it perhaps true, Blunderbuss, that you are from the antipodies?

        1. No, strangely enough I live in England – the land of warm beer and cricket and Novihoax.

          1. Greetings from Germany – the land of cool beer and football and Sarin.
            Do you need shelter after Brexit ?

  76. Interesting that Toilet paper being stockpiled in event of No Deal.
    Is this because TPTB-HMG-MET are all full of something “S***”!

    1. Uhm,Does make Me think that Salisbury Hoax has been acted out for
      numerous reasons but one has been to change Security Laws.

      It could not be done before Salisbury because Racist Card would be
      played causing an outrage for TPTB-HMG.
      Very Well Engineered MI56-TPTB-HMG-Police Plan claiming National Security
      due to Russian actions on U.K.soil.

    2. The Counter Terrorism and Border Security Act was designed to impose a hard border on the island of Ireland. The ‘security’ provision would allow the UK to be exempt from WTO preferential tariff rules. Under the guise of ‘national security issues’, the UK would attempt to get away with flouting the Good Friday Agreement i.e breaking an international treaty lodged with the UN, so as to keep the DUP on board. It is no coincidence that there have been threats of direct rule. Similarly, the ‘border security terror threat’ would be their get out with Trump.

      The UK government was extremely quick in identifying a state i.e Russia, as the perpetrators of the Skripal ‘incident’, and added ‘Border Security’ to the Bill, unheard of before when discussing and passing terror legislation.The ‘incident’ was a godsend that allowed them to attach an element that would deal with the border on the island of Ireland and the relevant checks on goods – WTO and people – not allowed under the Good Friday Agreement. The Act is an attempt to covered all the potential fall outs from. Brexit.

      Unfortunately, the silence from the House of Commons is not surprising as their political paralysis over Brexit, has been a very convenient cover to introduce such dictatorial and draconian measures.

      1. It seems increasingly likely we will have a “no deal” Brexit. Presumably this will “require” a hard border on the island of Ireland but who actually requires it?

        Britain doesn’t want it and Ireland doesn’t want it. Only the EU wants it so why don’t we just ignore the EU and leave the border open?

        1. The only way the whole of the UK i.e with Northern Ireland and take back control is to have a border with the EU. The UK has to put a border on the island of Ireland and it’s doublespeak for the UK to say ‘we wont put a border’. It’s the line the DUP take in full knowledge that there will have to be border checks on goods and people.
          All the inter Irish agencies would be null and void – something the DUP crave, for but is against and undermine the Good Friday Agreement – again something not only the DUP want to happen but Gove and Rees Mogg.
          The UK government have claimed they wouldn’t put a border on the island of Ireland but want to ‘control EU immigration’. Any EU citizen can enter the south of the island of Ireland and in so doing can travel freely to Northern Ireland i.e they enter the UK. So the UK government can’t ‘control EU immigration’ without having a border that would check the movement of people. But the Good Friday Agreement stipulates that any person can reside wherever they want on the island of Ireland, that would be unhindered by border checks. Furthermore, anyone with an Irish passport born in the north is classed as an EU citizen with all the rights of an EU citizen. For example if the EU passed a law and it’s ratified in the Dail then those Irish/EU citizens in the north will be under that law. And if there is a dispute, that would go to the European Court of Justice to be resolved, as does any legislation passed by Stormont that is against EU law.
          The only way to get around the border taking back control issue was for the UK to impose a border but couldn’t unless there were other ‘circumstances’ i.e ‘border security’. Under the ‘border security’ ruse they have said there would be checks on vehicles and people in the ‘border vicinity’ and at Newry station. A new Counter Terrorism bill – normal practices for most new governments – was always on the cards but due to Brexit they added ‘Border Security’ which would impose border controls even though it was against the GFA. They were covering all bases and to hell with Ireland and the Irish people north and south. But they needed an ‘incident’ to ‘justify’ ‘national security’ concerns. The Skrupals ‘incident’ was a godsend of convenience.
          An added thing about ‘national security’ is it allows a country to put tariffs and border checks on goods for some countries but not all. As that would be against GATT and WTO rules. In other words, checks on the island of Ireland for goods crossing the border but not at Dover. Likewise, if the UK government didn’t have border checks on the island of Ireland they couldn’t check goods coming into the UK as to do so would be against WTO rules.
          The UK was getting bogged down with Brexit negotiations so needed an international ‘incident’ which was so so important to cover the Tories backs for Brexit. It duly arrived in early March 2018.

          1. A lot of what you have written is simply wrong. I am certainly not going to go through it point by point but as examples:

            “…they couldn’t check goods coming into the UK ” – where do you get that from? Exactly the same systems currently used would continue. The UK and Ireland have different rates of VAT. Goods cross the border in both directions and somehow it is all done with nobody physically checking the goods. Why do you imagine that won’t continue?

            “…as to do so would be against WTO rules.” – This is a shibboleth frequently rolled out by remainers. It is not true. WTO does not require physical checks – the existing paperwork checks will be just fine for WTO rules. WTO rules specifically leave it up to countries to decide to do what they deem adequate.

            1. Yes Paul Agree also! TPTB-HMG have tried tying lose ends via a backdoor
              method but they still not thought it out properly?
              Trying to stop Russia[allegedly] dumping Fake Perfume but using this lame excuse to
              stop Illegal entry U.K. without upsetting people and Government being accused of
              being Racist.
              Accusing Russia cover’s an awful lot of Base’s. Weather-Train Delay’s-Knife Crime
              CCTV Not Working-Drugs-Not Emptying Charity Bins-Pothole’s In Road
              WAA Flying Strange Mission-Brexit Means Brexit?

              Blame Russia and National Security is safe [This Covers A Lot Via Backdoor]

    3. Thanks for the link, Denise.

      I wonder if, in your helicopter tracking travels, you came across Hamworthy Royal Marines base? I’m located nearby in Dorset, and there’s been a noticeable increase of activity there in the past couple of weeks – shooting drills, chinooks, and today I saw one very fast assault helicopter come in to land.

  78. If you look on bright side and after next week if Europe don’t want to deal with us and we are at the back of the queue as far as the US are concerned then I bet Russia and China will be more than happy to trade with us on reasonable terms ……..

    Meaning everything gets cheaper.

    Look at the prices Europeans and Americans pay for daily use products compared with the British.

    Cheap goods, cheap energy and petrol, incentive to make things and grow things again.

    Farmers paid to grow stuff in their fields and not paid to keep them empty,

    A new era of peaceful, productive relationships with major trading partners that the US has been determined to stifle for 70 years.

    A new breed of politicians that aren’t answerable to the US and Europe.

    A brave new start.

    The US is not going to like that, it will expose a new and ethical business model to the rest of Europe and the world of how to do trade based on mutual benefits instead of bribes and threats.

    On a more pessimistic note expect WW3 if we get any closer to that.

    2. “A new breed of politicians that aren’t answerable to the US and Europe.”

      Do you intend to have Theresa deported? 😉

  79. Off Subject but made me think of Dawn.
    Youtube…Krista Bradford-Now It Can Be Told-Space Shuttle Challenger.
    If true I am Shocked by the Total Disrespect Shown..A Done Deal!

    1. No CCTV of them near the Bow hotel.

      I think it Highly Likely they did not stay there.

      Police arrive at the hotel, samples taken by Porton Down, analysed and results returned positive, re-test requested, more samples taken, analysed and results returned negative, hotel declared safe.

      And all that happened on the same day.

      Yet there are people that still believe this stuff.

        1. Thanks Peter.
          Another bizarre situation.
          Police swab Novichok from a specific room which the hotel owner does not confirm is in fact THE ROOM.
          Peter, we had no idea just how good our detectives are.

      2. Peter, I think it Highly Likely they did not stay there.

        If so, why didn’t P and/or B dispute this claim during their interview?

        Walking through this systematically:

        a) That’s where they stayed and as the Met has the hotel records, P&B know that this is a verified claim.
        b) They didn’t stay there, P&B know that the Met is lying because P&B aren’t in the hotel records. However, P&B would also know that the only way the Met could come up with the City Stay Hotel is because they listed it on their visa applications, (Not quite legal, but …, as Putin said.) They don’t object to the claim because they don’t intend to reveal where they did stay and an objection without that revelation would make them look even dodgier. Dumb move by the Met to make such a false claim, but perhaps they gambled that P&B would fall into the trap by objecting to the false claim.

        So, is it a) or b)? a) seems to be favored, at least for Friday night. But with so many official lies in this matter, wouldn’t surprise me if b) is the truth.

        1. 1) Both the Met and P&B are unreliable witnesses, we cannot take anything they say as the truth.

          2) CCTV inside the hotel, on the doorstep and in the tube / train stations and in the trains. No cctv pics shown. Of course this may be because the recordings may have been overwritten in the 2 months between the police going to the hotel and seizing the records but then the question of how the police knew they stayed there arises. And at what stage the police learnt that information.

          3) On the 4th May there was a flurry of activity at the hotel:

          The police first visit it and seize all the records (CCTV and hotel register).
          Samples taken from the room the suspects stayed in yet the owner did not know which room they stayed in.
          Samples tested by Porton Down and results show positive for Novichok
          A re-test is requested
          Samples taken again
          Porton Down test again and no Novichok found
          Hotel declared safe

          ALL ON THE SAME DAY! Novichok has been detected and the hotel is declared safe and open for business as normal the following day.

          4) The police gave false information regarding the suspects movements on Sat 3rd March. Basu issued a statement on the 5th Sept saying the pair were in Salisbury on the 3rd and caught the 4:10pm train back to London, the police provided a photograph of the pair stood in the foyer / ticket hall of the station timed at 4:11pm as evidence that they left at 4:10.

          The next train they might have caught was the 4:21 but it was cancelled, the next after that that 4:45.

          5) Reports say they were partying in the hotel room at 7:00pm, another 8:00pm, the suspects in a TV interview said they caught the train back to London and went to Oxford Street to buy some new shoes because the one they had had become drenched.

          6) No other cctv from the trains / tubes / stations / Salisbury Council extensive network of HD CCTV from Sat 3rd.

          7) The pair in the TV interview have a resemblance to the pair in photos issued on the 5th Sept but that’s all, they may not be the same people. Bellingcat’s pair may be different again.

          8) We don’t know it was Novichok that was used, that the suspects worked for the Russian State, that they were involved in the Salisbury Hoax or what they were doing in the convenient gaps in the Met changing narrative.

          9) We know the Met lied in their 5th Sept Statement. We know there was a gap of 2 months after the bench incident before the Met approached the hotel and another 4 months before the hotel owner and staff were informed about the Novichok discovery. We Know there was a 6 moths gap after the bench incident before the Met issued the photographs of the suspects and appealed for witnesses.

          10) We know that Bellingcat has provided the evidence of the “true” identity of the suspects not the Met.

          11) We have been told there were 3 other accomplices but we are not allowed to see their faces, they could all have bottles of Novichok and still be in Britain.

          12) We know May and her Ministers lied, we know Porton Down (both PHE and DSTL) have covered up the truth, we know the MsM has supported that lie and built on it when required to do so.

          I don’t believe the pair that were shown in the Met cctv clips stayed in the City Stay hotel for those reasons but most of all because I have not been shown any evidence that they did.

          And remember there is no independent, in the public domain, evidence that it was the Skripals on the bench. There is however evidence that the pair on the bench were not the Skripals. There is no independent evidence that Novichok was involved, the varying symptoms suggest it wasn’t.

          There is no independent evidence that the attack took place at the Skripal home, there is evidence it took place at or near the bench.

          It was the Air Ambulance that first tipped me off that something was not right however the proof of a Hoax came from an unexpected source ……… HMG & the Met.

          1. And how did the Daily Mail find a witness from the City Hotel who just ‘happened’ to be in his room for the whole of Saturday evening? Is it normal for someone visiting London to lock themselves in the hotel room on a Saturday evening?

  81. Hi all,

    I would be grateful if people could avoid discussion of the atrocity that took place in Christchurch New Zealand. I am generally happy for discussions on a broad range of topics, but I really don’t think this is the forum for that event.

    Thanks,

    Rob

  82. PAGE 4 of 8

    Not only could their budget not extend to separate bedrooms with private bathroom, they could not afford a hire car? The train service to Salisbury could have been cancelled at any time due to the snow.

    The effect of air pressure fluctuations on bottled liquids
    “Air pressure varies with altitude. Air pressure at sea level (the approximate pressure at which bottles are sealed), is higher than the cabin pressure of a plane (commercial cabin pressure is normally somewhere in the region of air pressure at 6,000ft, when flying at 36,000ft) so there will be a pressure differential that could cause the seal to fail, and the contents to leak out, in order to equalise the pressure difference.”

    They did not have check-in luggage but brought hand-luggage for the plane’s cabin. The success or failure of the mission hinged wholly on the integrity of a seal on a bottle full of Novichok. If the seal failed, all the passengers, crew, including pilots, would be dead.
    From an engineering point of view, the seal and/or stopper would have required rigorous testing, simulating air pressure fluctuations during take-off and landing. The risk was enormous, especially as there was an alternative, successful method:

    Vladimir Uglev interview with The Bell 20th March 2018
    “One of these substances was used to poison the banker Ivan Kivelidi and his secretary in 1995. A cotton ball, soaked in this agent, was rubbed over the microphone in the handset of Kivelidi’s telephone. Agents should be transported in a container suitable for combat use.”

    The Mail Online 17th July 2018
    “According to reports from US security officials, police have recovered grainy CCTV images of persons of the possible Kremlin-backed assignation squad who inadvertently killed Dawn.”

    5th September 2018
    Police release clear CCTV images of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov walking around Salisbury, six months after the Skripals were taken ill. The metadata shows they were prepared on the morning of 9th May, four months before they were released.

    CONCLUSION:
    1. There is no actual evidence to prove the two Russians were involved with the Skripals falling ill other than their nationality and visiting Salisbury.
    2. The evidence suggests they were nothing more than tourists on a cheap, city break weekend and the possibility of their sourcing “dietary supplements” in the form of legal/illegal substances.

  83. PAGE 3 of 8

    RUSLAN BOSHIROV & ALEXANDER PETROV

    1st March
    • At 19.44 they buy tickets for Aeroflot SU2588 from Sheremetyevo to Gatwick for 2nd March, seat numbers 19c & 19f.

    2nd March
    • They check in at Sheremetyevo at 11.07. They did not have check-in luggage but brought hand-luggage for the plane’s cabin.
    • CCTV footage of them at Gatwick with identical timestamps at 16.22.
    • They book into a cheap hotel room in east London with no private bathroom.

    Saturday 3rd March:
    • At 7.42 they buy tickets for Aeroflot SU25852 from Heathrow to Sheremetyevo for 4TH March, seat numbers 22c & 22a.
    • They catch a train from Waterloo to Salisbury (no CCTV footage) for a reconnaissance mission during the 5-6 hours Sergei is absent from his property driving to Heathrow to collect Yulia and back again.
    • CCTV footage of them at Salisbury train station at 16.11 for the return to London.
    • Their testimony: they find the transport system paralyzed because of the snow, they walk round for half an hour, get drenched, return to the station café for coffee and wait for the next train back to London. This appears to be confirmed by the absence of any CCTV footage of them, apart from at the station for the return to London.

    The Sun Newspaper 16th September
    “It was a Saturday [3/3/2018] night so it’s always quieter than a weekday but I could smell weed from their room, it was by the door and in the corridor, it was unmistakable. It must have been around 7pm. Later there was a woman in there. I think it was a prostitute. They were having sex, definitely. I heard them having really loud sex for a long time, it was definitely a woman. I don’t think the men were having sex with each other. I could still smell the pot.”

    The angry guest complained to front desk staff at the hotel but the pair continued with their antics. He added: “It got too much so I went, Bang, bang, bang, bang, four times on the door. It stopped for a bit but carried on later. I went to the shared bathroom at about 11pm and saw one of the blokes, I later realised was Petrov, the one without the beard. I was coming out for a wee and he was coming in. I didn’t speak to him. You could hear them speaking Russian. I turned the TV up loud but could still hear them at it. I fell asleep at about 11pm and I’m a heavy sleeper. Most of the guests would have seen or heard them. There was shouting going on throughout the night.”

    The hotel guest complained a second time as he left for work on March 4. When he returned later that day he was told the pair had an “altercation” with hotel staff as they were confronted over their behaviour before checking out.

    Sunday 4th March
    • Before leaving their hotel room whilst suffering the effects of lack of sleep, alcohol and smoking marijuana, they prepare the perfume bottle ready for the trip back to Salisbury.
    • They check out of the hotel in east London after an “altercation” with staff.
    • They catch a train from Waterloo to Salisbury (no CCTV footage).
    • CCTV footage of them arriving at Salisbury train station at 11.48.
    • Their guilt pivots on CCTV footage of them walking past a Shell garage in Wilton Road at 11.58 on Sunday.
    • They walk past the shortcut opposite the garage (an alleyway leading to Montgomery Gardens and Christie Miller Road), instead they take the longer, main road route. They cross the road and turn right up Canadian Avenue, at the end they turn right, then first right again into Christie Miller Road. At the end of the road is number 47 in a cul-de-sac of eight houses, three either side and one adjacent to 47. From the Shell garage to number 47 is approximately 10 minutes walking.
    • They are supposed to have walked this route four times – twice on Saturday, twice on Sunday – but no one saw them?
    • They are supposed to have walked past the Shell garage four times, but there is only one CCTV image of them on Sunday at 11.58. Where is the CCTV footage of them walking back 10 minutes later?
    • CCTV footage of them in Fisherton Street at 13.05, 13.08, window shopping in Dauwalders at 13.49 before miraculously turning up at Salisbury train station at 13.50, some 500 meters away.
    • They check in at Heathrow at 18.18 for Aeroflot SU25852 back to Sheremetyevo.

    1. “Sunday 4th March … they prepare the perfume bottle ready for the trip back to Salisbury.“

      We know that Charlie´s perfume bottle contained „ready to use“ Novickok.
      Why would R&A risk to prepare the bottle at the hotel room and carry the unsealed bottle in the rucksack the whole way to Salisbury ?
      That´s Met fairy tale ! Met needed the Novichok in the hotel room to construct a link between R&A and the poisoning of the Skripals.
      Unfortunately and „coincidentally” this crucial link was eliminated with a Q-tip.

      By the way : None of the hotel personal mentioned to have seen HazMats in the City Stay Hotel !
      The hotel management not even knew that something happend and a room was “decontaminated”.

  84. SERGEI SKRIPAL’S HOUSE – 47 CHRISTIE MILLER ROAD

    BBC Radio Wiltshire – Karen Gardner’s report from Monday 4th March 2019
    “By Tuesday [6/3/2018], sites across the city were being cordoned off, including Zizzi’s restaurant and the Mill pub. I was here that morning in Christie Miller Road outside Sergei Skripal’s house.

    As the counter-terrorism Network and the Metropolitan Police officers were taking over the investigation, Wiltshire Police were here in some numbers. A handful of officers going in and out of the house, not all wearing protective clothing, carrying drinks flasks and sandwich wrappers.

    We didn’t know then how infamous that front door was going to become. When I was here a year ago, I watched Wiltshire police officers with no, or minimal protective clothing, going in and out of that front door. They were carrying coffee flasks, they appeared to have had refreshments in the house overnight. That was two days after the Skripals had collapsed, at the point the Met had taken over the investigation.”

    Karen Gardner’s report from Tuesday 6th March 2018
    “At the moment there’s quite a lot of activity. When I arrived, there were six or seven police officers and PCSOs coming out of the door. Some of those have left, a couple more have arrived. There is a visible presence outside the house, and severe frowning when I walk too close. A lot of the windows are open and I did see coffee flasks and provisions, empty boxes and things brought out, so it looks as though perhaps there was a lot of activity here late last night overnight.”

    28th March 2018
    Police announce that the highest concentration of Novichok was found on the door handle of 47 Christie Miller Road (24 days after the Skripals were taken ill).

    The Independent 4th April 2018
    Vil Mirzayanov: “One of the biggest drawbacks of Novichok is that it is hydrolysed immediately. Only an idiot would choose to use it for a murder in England with its 100 per cent humidity”

    OPCW report 12th April 2018
    “The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.”

    Novichok is highly volatile and would have evaporated, hydrolysed or been wiped off through human contact with the handle. What little there was left would have been highly contaminated with environmental contaminants such as exhaust fumes (carbon monoxide, sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, formaldehyde, benzene and soot).

    Wiltshire police/CID/forensics were in and out of the house from 5pm on Sunday 4th to Tuesday 6th March, all arriving in vehicles. They all used the front door, some with and some without protective clothing. None fell ill, except DS Bailey. All the immediate dwellings have cars. The adjoining property has an adjoining drive. A large white police van had reversed onto Mr Skripal’s drive on Sunday night, just a meter or so from the front door.

    Boris Johnson “We actually have evidence within the last 10 years that Russia has not only been investigating the delivery of nerve agents for the purpose of assassination but has also been creating and stockpiling Novichok.”

    Britain, as a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), effective 29th April 1997, was therefore in breach of articles: VII 3.; VIII A 1., 40., 44.; IX 2., 8., 9., in its duty to report this.

    CONCLUSION:
    The evidence suggests the Novichok must have been applied to the door handle (if at all) shortly before the sample was taken.

  85. PAGE 1 of 8

    LETTER TO AC BASSU 19th March 2019

    Dear Mr Bassu

    There appears to be many anomalies in the Wiltshire poisonings which I would like to point out.

    DS BAILEY

    Doctor Steven Davies of Salisbury District Hospital wrote a letter to the London Times in response to their report of 14th March 2018, “Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment”, to clarify that blood test results from Porton Down had shown “there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning.” (at that time).

    • DS Nick Bailey stated in an interview with BBC Panorama he had lost his home, all his possessions and “the cars”, as a result of his contamination with a nerve agent on Sunday 4th March – but he did not contaminate his wife and two children?
    • On Tuesday 6th March, DS Bailey was driven to hospital by his wife. I assume Mrs Bailey used her vehicle and, as a result, her car was contaminated, but Mrs Bailey was not?
    • DS Bailey stated he felt terrible, was hot and sweaty and had pupils like pinpricks.
    • In contrast, witness statements confirmed the symptoms suffered by Sergei and Yulia Skripal, were vomiting, foaming at the mouth, loss of control of bodily functions, convulsions, loss of consciousness and respiratory failure for Yulia and Sergei was rigid (meaning his muscles were paralysed into a sitting position) and catatonic.
    • DS Bailey stated he was conscious the whole time “One moment you’d have a nurse coming in with a sandwich for you, dressed top to bottom in protective gear, closely followed by my wife and children, who were allowed to just walk in. It was very confusing.” He did not require a tracheotomy and ventilator if he could eat sandwiches.
    • On 8th March Angus Macpherson, the Salisbury Police Commissioner, tweeted that DS Bailey was “sitting up and talking today”, just 2 days later. He was discharged from hospital on 22nd March (16 days later).
    • In contrast, both the Skripals were in intensive care in comas and put onto ventilators. Yulia’s interview with Reuters showed signs of a tracheotomy.
    • Yulia regained consciousness on 24th March (20 days later) and was discharged from hospital on 9th April (36 days later).
    • Sergei regained consciousness on 6th April (33 days later) and was discharged from hospital on 18th May (75 days later).
    • No other work colleagues, or any other people, that DS Bailey encountered on Sunday 4th, Monday 5th or Tuesday 6th March, were contaminated – but all his possessions were?

    Salisbury District Hospital later confirmed that the dozens of people who presented with suspected poisoning were, in fact, suffering from anxiety.

    CONCLUSION:
    The evidence suggests that DS Bailey did not receive “significant poisoning” – but his blood test results from Porton Down showed he did? (as confirmed by Doctor Steven Davies)

  86. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-skripal-controversy-guide-the-perplexed-25363?page=0%2C1

    I had missed this when it was published in April 2018
    By “George Beebe is Director of the Intelligence and National Security Program at the Center for the National Interest. He served as the CIA’s chief of Russia analysis and as special advisor to Vice President Cheney on Russia. ”

    “The uncertainty about the perpetrators and motives behind the Skripal attack argues for a more cautious policy response than the West has adopted to this point. If evidence ultimately shows that Putin ordered a chemical weapons attack on British soil, the expulsion of suspected Russian intelligence officers from US and European capitals is hardly commensurate with the scale of the crime or the larger threat posed by Russia. But resolute condemnations of Putin and Russia will be counter-productive if the case was a false-flag operation or the spillover of a shadowy Russian intelligence or criminal vendetta. Before we march farther down the path toward confrontation with a nuclear superpower, we should take steps to clarify what actually took place. ”

    Western reaction since then suggests ….. what?

    1. From the link :
      Quote : Moreover, numerous Chechens have joined ISIS and fought in Syria, and the U.S. Department of State recently indicated that ISIS has a chemical weapons program overseen by a French national, suggesting that ISIS and other Syrian groups could have produced or procured the nerve agent used against Skripal. (End quote)

      The French national was Joe Asperman, a senior chemical weapons expert for ISIS. Asperman oversaw chemical operations production within Syria for ISIS and the deployment of these chemical weapons at the battlefront.
      https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/03/279453.htm

      But the name Joe Asperman, previously unreported, came as a surprise to French experts.
      On Twitter, former French intelligence officer Claude Moniquet, now of the European Strategic Intelligence and Security Center,” said it had “never, until today, circulated publicly.”
      https://www.france24.com/en/20180322-us-blacklists-mystery-french-chemical-terrorist

      The U.S. Department of State listed Joe Asperman on March 22, 2018 – the same day the OPCW took samples of the door handle.

      On March 31, the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Paris delivered to the French Foreign Ministry a note with a list of questions to the French side regarding the Skripal case fabricated against Russia.
      http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/3150139

      Are there connections`?

      2. We don’t know the OPCW took samples from the door knob. They say their samples are from “hot spots”.

        I have always assumed that the door knob theory was created when Sergej and Yulia Skripal woke up from coma.
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43577987

        It had been leaked quite soon after the incident that they had been poisoned at home, but that would have meant they knew how it happened.

  87. The evidence that Sergei Skripal was not poisoned is overwhelming: An air ambulance is not sent for a corpse, DS Bailey, dosed accidentally, within a half hour of Sergei, from the same vector, portfolio-bag, and so clearly with the same mix of the same binary agent, delivered by the same Belfast-knee swinging delivering agent, recovered quickly, and completely, no one else manifested the same symptoms, and so on, down the list to that the government, attempting to characterise the event a ‘Russian Assassination’, has not dared to reference any real evidence, instead, inventing a story that is manure, modifying the story by adding more manure, attempting to bury criticism and citations to evidence by adding more manure, and, ultimately attempting to ‘disappear’ its so created manure-pile by shovelling more manure on to obscure its older, in apparent hope to ‘sweeten’ the older, become with time and decomposition rank and fetid, and finally, hiring professional manure-creating, and then manure-spreading contractors (BellingCat and BBC) to (hopefully) improve the shine and sheen of the accumulation, and, by spreading it far and wide, to form, they hope, a warming and enriching ‘blanket’ on the land.

    Yulia Skripal, however, was poisoned. And, evidently, by the same binary agent, of the same mixing, and from the same vector portfolio-bag. How did this happen? How is it explainable?

    Well, the evidence indicates, first, that Yulia was the first to be dosed. She evidently took up the portfolio-bag vector first, immediately it was dropped on the bench, between herself and her father, Sergei. It is evident that she was very anxious to see whatever contents were promised Sergei to be in the bag that would be delivered. This suggests the promised contents were to be something to do with the then recently deceases, under poorly explained circumstances, brother of Yulia, son of Sergei, Alexandre Skripal. That would certainly interest Yulia, which some boring spy-stuff would not.

    So, the binary agent’s parts were mixed by the deliverer, at the last second before delivery. It was probably assimed that Sergei would open the bag more slowly. The delivering agent, the boy with the Belfast-knee, may also have been less than perfectly instructed, probably told to add the ‘hardner’ to the ‘resin’ in the portfolio-bag and deliver, maybe to give the bag a shake, but was not told to allow a half-minute for mixing, for the parts of the agent to combine chemically and stabilise, and then deliver.

    The delivery boy had probably been told the mixed agent would incapacitate, but was not deadly. He had probably not been told that the unmixed parts, or one of them, that contained the raw and unreduced organophosphate component, by itself, unreduced, could be deadly. He would then not know the importance of assuring thorough mixing, and chemical combining, of the agent parts before delivering.

    To illustrate, we can ‘poison’ Yulia again, now, in virtual reality, ourselves. We do not want to bumble into what is known today, in chemical-weaponry circles as The Miryanov Error, that blame-shifting politicians may fob over to being ‘responsible’ for Theresa May’s and Boris Johnson’s laughable error of assigning the agent used to not kill anybody in Salisbury on 4 March, 2018 to be the notoriously quick, thorough, and irreversibly deadly nerve-agent A234, dubbed “Novichok” by Miryanov, a name immortalised by adoption for a fictional nerve-poison featured in a Brit-TV skulku-drama, and immoralised by the British government attempting to assign it a generic term for poison. So we do not want to publish a secret chemical formula here. We will,instead, use for our illustration a common salt known among chemists by the binary designation “Sodium Chloride”.

    Sodium chloride has been around for millennia, and is common enough that although any number of people may tell that it is a poison, they cannot tell of more than one single case in which it has been reasonably assignable a primary incapacitating (meaning known to turn a victim to a manikin, or manikin-like state) or killing agent. And that one case, although in the literature, is problematic, being of dubious reportage, by a suspect reporter, of not entirely savoury reputation, and with a relationship to the victim sufficient to support some suspicion in regard to his reporting. In that case, the victim, a woman of apparently middle years (reported to have two grown daughters), identified only as “Lot’s Wife” was reportedly rendered stiff and lifeless in what her husband, the said Lot, defined a saline state, in which he left her to go on a spree with his two daughter, which spree included house-breakings, thefts of victuals and wine, and that culminated in some partying in a cavern, from which both daughters emerged pregnant. One can see why a certain skepticism reigns in some circles, which is not assuaged by a meteorological event having interfered with investigation, allegedly ‘melting’ the salinated woman before experts could investigate to confirm the allegations.

    We will not offer an opinion, and will not engage in debate in regard to that case, and offer the above information only for disclosure. We do strongly admonish readers of this speculation to not attempt to emulate at home what the above case describes, or what we describe below for example purpose only. The component parts involved, sodium and chloride, that combine to produce the binary, are, themselves, poisons.

    We begin our example by placing our binary commodities, sodium and chloride, in separate containers. One we will place in a red-bag, the other we will place in a flask, covered coffee-cup, whatever. Carrying these we, in this example experiment, approach a bench on which our victims sit. They are waiting for the delivery of the red-bag, which we have promised, but we do not know this, because we are delivering only to one, the retirement-age gentleman. Our assignment is to salt his tail, so he can’t fly when our successor team swoops in to carry him off. Where he picked up the ‘bird’, and if she is a friend, neighbor or paid-companion we do not know, and being incautious and unimaginative, adventurers, followers-of-orders, not thinkers, we don’t care. In fact, what a joke, when she turns to look and sees him salted-down! Our assignment is to swing by behind them, dropping the bag containing the mixed sodium-chloride combination, and moving on along.

    We move in, ‘squee-chick, squee-chick, squee-chick’ (that’s our ‘Belfast-knee’, a result of previous adventuring instead of thinking. We are not new at this, and are game for anything, which makes us useful to our employers. The ‘chick’ is the knee’s over-center lock locking when it takes weight, the ‘squee’ is it the swing from off lock forward, needs a bit of oil; I keep forgetting, what between pints and darts… Two more steps, time to pour the sodium (or the chloride) into the bag: (‘Swoosht!’), (‘chick-squee, chick-squee’) (‘drop’), and off, (‘chick-squee, chick-squee, chick- squee, chick-squee’) and so on, until we remember the oil-can.

    Behind us, unbeknownst to us, the bird snatches up the bag, opens it and sticks her head in, looking for what it was said to be going to contain, not what it does contain. The mixed sodium-chloride does her no harm, but the stray bits of uncombined sodium and uncombined chloride, well, those are both poisonous…

    Behind us as we move on along the woman says to her father, “It’s empty.” and hands the bag to him. He looks in, then maybe feels around in, searching for a flash-drive, or maybe an SD or micro-SD, that is not there. He then begins to go into a salinate state, as intended. Well and good.

    Not good, however, is the woman, who we will later learn is his daughter, going into a semi-salinate state, while also going into sodium-poisoning spasms and chloride-poisoning convulsions.

    Great! Now we have two saline-state manikins, instead of one, and one, the one HQ did not authorise we salinate, dying! And where the H is the D’d ‘elicopter that’s supposed to take the authorised one away?!!

    Now a crowd is beginning to gather, the woman is on the floor flopping like a wooden fish, or cast-plastic flounder, and the helicopter is still nowhere around! How did a simple little rendition operation that Ian Fleming could have knocked out in a short-story turn into a mess like this, that Agatha Christie couldn’t sort without implicating the government?

    And now here come a couple of coppers, and bloodyell, a CID! And now a little girl has started a Jihad-John on the floundered bird with a plastic knife! Well, you-go on her, girl, she’s expendable, but leave the head on the pensioner, we don’t get paid if he don’t show!

    And just when you thought it couldn’t get worse, here’s regular military butting in! A commissioned officer, it looks, and rank! What’s a bristly moustache? Major, or colonel?

    No, guv’ner, don’t look in that bag! No! No!! Crikey! Now the CID is down! And where the ‘El’s the ‘Elicopter!??

    time for us to disappear! (Chick-squee, chick-squee, chick-squee…)

    You can see how it might have gone, and gone wrong. And how binaries work, and how they can go wrong.

  88. Paul said “Not only do we have no photographs, we have nothing from ‘ordinary’ witnesses on social media… ”

    Speaking of that, don’t forget that all of Dawn’s facebook posts have been deleted between April 5th 2017 and May 22nd 2018? Did she see something in the lead up to Toxic Dagger or on the day?

    2. Denise, I´ve seen Dawn Sturgess FB page before it was deleted.
      There was only one shared post that raised suspicion :
      „When you have a good heart, you help too much, you trust too much, you give too much & this is what happens in the end.“
      https://ibb.co/mBD1Kkh

        1. Thank you, Liane, the link works now.

          Stabbed in the back, by someone you trusted … hmm, you’d have to wonder whether a little gift of perfume would help to put things right, and then you’d wonder whether that was a fanciful idea.

        1. Agree Sir! Very sad and as if Dawn Knew what would unfold in
          days following. RIP Dawn!

      4. To me, it looks like Dawn felt bitter about someone she cared for. Someone with whom she used to be in a romantic or friendly relationship and who deceived her or failed her in a painful way.

      5. Hi Liane, That post, with the daggers, is still up now on Dawn’s facebook page today. Its from 29th of June but what about the hundreds of posts, that have been deleted between the 25th of April 2017 to May 22nd 2018?

  89. From Operation Mockingbird (US)/ Information Research Department (UK) to Atlantic Council (US)/Integrity Initiative (UK) – a long tradition of teamwork (and lies).

    Read the Wiki (sounds very familiar to II) :
    The Information Research Department (IRD), founded in 1948 by Christopher Mayhew, was a department of the British Foreign Office set up to counter Soviet propaganda and infiltration, particularly amongst the western labour movement.
    IRD officials were ordered not to tell even other FO staff where they worked.
    Embassies had resident IRD men under cover who planted material on local journalists – and opinion formers.
    As well as supplying material to the BBC World Service, secret lists were compiled of approved journalists and trade unionists to whom material was offered, if not always accepted.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Research_Department
    1995 The Independant wrote :
    Quote : The case can be made that there was a moral difference between the campaigns of the IRD and those of the KGB, that secret activities in freedom’s cause should be contrasted with those in the service of totalitarianism. But if so, why are the IRD files so jealously guarded by the Government?
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/rear-window-cold-war-the-british-ministry-of-propaganda-1574950.html

    A small part of the IRD files are now publicly available and it becomes clear why they were so “jealously guarded” :
    British government officials forged documents to produce “fake news stories” during the Cold War, newly released files show.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47571253

    Here a 1964 FO letter to politicians :
    https://www.psywar.org/content/risSubversion

    1. As I’ve said earlier, the II is simply a revamped version of earlier cold war models of much the same thing, which in turn were based on the black propaganda operations of WWII run by Ministry of Economic Warfare, and the activities of Ellic Howe, Sfton Delmer and the many foreign exiles under their control. I am aware of the highly dubious activities of SOE’s Lord Selborne and his cabal in 1955-6 too. Another wartime outfit, the Auxilliary Units, an offshoot of SOE, post-war morphed into the cold war’s Stay-Behind Networks set up by MI6 and NATO throughout Europe – just as II has set up its ‘clusters’.

      British Stay-Behind never really disbanded after 1990, unlike those in Europe. It evolved into what’s known by the FBI as Gladio 2 (aka Gladio B), partly CIA controlled, and with cells in all the ex-Warsaw Pact countries and ex-USSR republics, as well as the Middle East. In a sense it’s the sabotage and assassination wing (dormant until mobilised by London), while the II is the black propaganda wing of the same monster. I’m very familiar with the IRD too, and some of its nefarious activities, and I immediately saw the striking parallels on reading the II leaks. What the IRD was to “Gladio 1”, the II is to “Gladio 2”. (Note that Gladio was strictly the name of the Italian network. Unlike other countries, the codename of the British home S-B network has never been disclosed, and ‘Gladio’ has become a generic term applying to them all, simply because it was exposure of the original (Italian) Gladio that uncovered the existence of all the other S-B networks).

      1. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/campaign-pardon-last-woman-prosecuted-9158876

        A campaign has been launched to pardon the last British woman prosecuted for being a witch .
        Helen Duncan was jailed for nine months in 1944 under the 1735 Witchcraft Act.

        The Scottish mother-of-six was locked up after she had a ‘vision’ about the sinking of the Royal Navy HMS Barham.

        News that the ship had sunk in November 1941 was supposed to stay secret, known to only the relatives of the casualties. But it was claimed she revealed details of it during a seance in Portsmouth. At the seance she claimed to have made contact with a sailor who had died aboard HMS Barham.

      2. So who would be those “stay behind” networks? The definition that distinguishes them from influence campaigns is that they would be prepared to commit terrorist acts. They used to be designed against “communism” ie ideological and they used to be (and probably still are) ideological fascists morphed into “freedom fighters”. Similar to radical islamists who could be used against Russia and China (and democracy and share of resources in the Middle East). All of this caused blow back.
        With the end of the cold war these networks have morphed into hybrid warfare and there is enough “private” money around to fund them. Similar to private security and private armies. Or private hackers.

        1. The way covert warfare has been recently has been this – and everybody is very open about it:
          https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/us-saudi-arabia-holding-chechen-card
          “The United States is stretched too thin to get involved in conflicts in Russia’s periphery at the moment. However, in the covert world, the United States could cooperate with Saudi Arabia to stir up separatist sentiments in Russia’s Muslim regions — including Chechnya — to keep Moscow occupied.”
          What role did Britain play with its Berezovsky, Chechen, Litvinenko, MI6 network in all this, and what was the blow back in Britain?

    2. „What the IRD was to “Gladio 1”, the II is to “Gladio 2”.“

      I fully agree, Miheila.
      For those whom such a comparison seems exaggerated, I recommend reading this 3 page leaked Institute for Statecraft document about the handling of the Skripal case.
      Dated March 16, 2018 (It´s save to open it) :

      Ideas for Ramping up IfS Contributions to the Cause.
      https://www.pdf-archive.com/2018/12/13/ramping-up-ifs-work-16-03-2018/ramping-up-ifs-work-16-03-2018.pdf

  90. In the video of the NZ shooting that was live streamed, there is a very significant problem.

    At approximately 12 mins into the video as Tarrant is leaving the mosque, there is a woman lying in the gutter at the edge of the road crying:”help me, help me”. Tarrant moves towards her and at 12:05mins he fires a shot. At 12:06mins a red balloon rolls out from under her right arm, into the road! It is a Hollywood ‘blood bag’ that didn’t go off properly!

    The video of the shooting is 100% fake and that is why the police in NZ and elsewhere are frantic to try and stop people sharing the video!

      1. I’m glad you’re noticing the Gladio connection in all this. Read Miheila’s comment above too. It’s one side of a very dirty, tarnished coin, whose other side is now the II. They are complementary and jointly their currency is lies, deception, political destabiliation and false-flag terrorism. It’s important to be aware that “Gladio B” has been active since the early 90s in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Russia (its secret HQ based in Poland). Eurasianism is their main enemy, the emergence of a new power bloc to compete economically with the Western bloc (mainly NATO countries and led by US & UK). Unlike the Warsaw Pact, NATO never disbanded after 1989, because its key (and undeclared) role had not changed: the militarised protection of US economic interests.

        There’s much more I could say, but daren’t.

        1. Well, I wonder whose network it is promoting the destruction of Europe’s (and Britain’s) competitiveness via BREXIT.

    2. Someone went to the enourmous effort to fake the video. Whom do you think faked it? I assume you believe the NZ government/police were involved in creating the fake video. If so, why would they then scramble to stop it being seen?

      1. Clarification: “IF faked, someone went to the enourmous effort to fake the video.”

        I think the video is all too real. Chilling

        1. Sayless, you have obviously seen the video. I said a few days ago that there were several problems with it. Yes it is ‘realistic’ – but it is not real.

          The specific issue I note above is all over in 1 second, very easy to miss if you don’t know it is there. But slow the video down and just watch the ‘woman’s’ right arm – nothing else. When the ‘shot’ is fired, the blood bag is supposed to burst – it fails. Instead you see it roll down her sleeve and then emerge by her cuff.

          When you know it is there it is very obvious. It is fake but an 18 year old kid in NZ is facing 10 years in jail for sharing a hoax video!

          I do not want to cause problems for Rob or this site by posting the video link but if you want to see it, please ask Rob to send me your email address and I will send you a link to the relevant 2-3 seconds (slowed down fourfold) so it is easy to see what I am describing.

          As to who did it… cui bono? It is obviously done by groups seeking to impose weapons bans.

          1. Sorry, you also asked why they are now trying to ban the video.

            We are allowed to see planes flying into buildings and all sorts of other ‘disasters’ – if this bood bag had not failed, they would probably not be so worried about this video either… but the fact that we can all see the video is a fake, is a very big problem for them.

            In NZ people have been threatened with 10 years in jail for possession of the video! CNN ran a story attempting to shame people by saying “if you share this video, you are helping the terrorists” – but it is too late, the cat is out of the bag and the internet does not forget.

            1. “An investigation and analysis by Disobedient Media indicates that Tarrant and the group he worked with likely have professional military connections, are part of the same cell that perpetrated a February 22nd break-in of the North Korean embassy in Spain and potentially have intelligence ties to various agencies that cooperate under the UKUSA Agreement popularly known as Five Eyes (FVEY).”
              https://disobedientmedia.com/2019/03/evidence-indicates-link-between-north-korean-embassy-break-in-and-christchurch-attacks/

            1. I think the original idea was that live streaming NZ would make it more realistic but they didn’t allow for something serious going wrong (they are stupid!) and are now frantic to try to control the damage and stop people seeing the hoax.

              This is another reason why they will never release CCTV from 4 March – they know we will find proof of the hoax.

              They have nothing for us except more lies.

              1. PS I can’t take credit for spotting it! I have some friends who have carefully studied every second of the video and have a long list of problems – this just happens to be one of the worst.

                1. Excellent work by You and Friends! Yes by showing any footage or
                  images of 04-03-18 would sink the hole bench-poisoning scam-lie
                  for a fact!

                  1. It is a long list and includes continuity issues, such as an apparent extra ‘body’ appearing by the main enterance of the mosque. Evidential issues such as: the failed blood bag, spent casings that are ejected but then appear to vanish (i.e. not hit the floor), no evidence of dust from stray shots that hit walls, shots fired inside a car that do not produce smoke and sound like blanks, bodies not moving as expected when hit at very close range, no blood on the walls. There are also several operational/tactical problems: he makes a number of strange decisions, including returning to his car but leaving the boot open with weapons on display, so anybody passing could easily get hold of one and use it on him.

                    There is much more but you probably get the picture.

          3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder

            “realistic but not real”

            “The core symptoms of depersonalization-derealization disorder is the subjective experience of “unreality in one’s self”,[15] or detachment from one’s surroundings. People who are diagnosed with depersonalization also experience an urge to question and think critically about the nature of reality and existence.[14] It results in significant distress.[16]”

              2. anidea! You could say that about Moon Landings. I did not take part neither
                did you.
                Because We Both Not There Did It Not Happen?

            2. Cor! You are such a fan of Wikipedia, anidea, that I’d be tempted to call you a wikiphile.

              Now, talking about reality, perhaps you could tell me what it is that stops me pushing one of my fingers completely through another of them.

              It starts with an ‘E’.

              Now, tell what ‘Reality’ is.

              Nonetheless, I believe that what you describe is what philosophers typically suffer from.

              Now, tell me exactly how it is that Zeno’s ‘The Stadium’ is true.

              1. I think you could well have been right yesterday when you said American… it’s common core wot duz it.

                1. Going for Long Drive Along Straight Road In Merc!
                  Playing Link Ray on Eight Track.

                  Very Confused Guys-Gals?

                  anidea-Lets be real…Jump In..58 Chevy n Cruse!

                  Are You Yank…?

            3. Comments questioning the reality of the ChCh video like those above are what really puts me off sites like this.
              Every body is being accounted for
              Slowly they are being released to their grieving families after rigorous post mortems.
              People known to have been in the mosques at the time have been identified by relatives, some arriving from overseas to identify corpses.
              Local staff are working overtime at the hospital, caring for the injured.
              Elaborate street theatre would de very quickly detected in a city like ChCh
              Red balloons full of blood are a total nonsense in this regard.
              I Think there are problems with the lone wolf narrative and how that prick managed to travel overseas to places like Pakistan and N Korea and Turkey without raising flags I don’t know.Neither has there been a sufficient explanation of how he funded the trips.I’m afraid Bitconnect doesn’t do it for me .
              But the video is real, the blood is real, those people are dead for ever, the grief is terrible

              2. Thank you Francesca. I agree and have posted the following at the start of this thread:

                Hi all,

                I would be grateful if people could avoid discussion of the atrocity that took place in Christchurch New Zealand. I am generally happy for discussions on a broad range of topics, but I really don’t think this is the forum for that event.

                Best wishes,

                Rob

              3. Francesca, I said in a comment below that I do not deny that something happened – I just don’t know what.

                I am only interested in the truth and comments based purely on emotion, have no place on my agenda. If the truth hurts someone feelings, then I am sorry but I think that the truth is more important. I want to know who did this and why.

                The lone wolf theory not only has ‘problems’ it is fanciful. There are pictures of other men with automatic weapons that are being ignored. There was a passenger in the getaway car that is also being ignored. Why? Who is driving the narrative?

                Not only did Tarrant visit Pakistan, Turkey, the Balkans etc. he also visited Israel – there are valid and serious concerns about who Tarrant is.

                You say: “Red balloons full of blood are a total nonsense” – I can only say you are 100% wrong. I have the pictures to prove it and anyone who is genuinely interested can find those images for themselves, now that I have told everyone where to look. Apart from you, not a single person has come forward to say that I am wrong – have you actually seen the video?

                In saying what you said, YOU are denying the truth and that (in my opinion) is unmitigated disrespect for the victims. Those who have died have done so as part of somebody’s narrative. Their families deserve to kown the truth about what happened to them and who did it. Emotions do not cut it.

                There is also an 18 year old kid facing 10+years in jail for sharing a hoax video – what do you think about that?

                There has also already been another terrorist incident inspired by what we are being told happened in NZ. More people are already dead because of that lie. What do you think about that? How many more people must die in order to protect the lie?

    2. You couldn’t make it up.
      Lifetime achievement in making sure cameras work.
      But we can’t see an image.

        1. So he gets an award for being a Criminal! He implicated in a crime by
          turning CCTV off.
          Better than an ASBO I suppose?
          CCTV is for Crime Prevention-Safety Of Public-Obtaining Evidence
          For A Possible Legal-Court Case.
          This Operator pulled the plug at a very important time and gets an award
          for his actions?

    1. Ah but you see Duncan, it is all a bit awkward. In Holland something actually happened so producing CCTV is easy.

      Unfortunately if they showed us CCTV of the bench up to about 4:15pm we would all see the CCTV couple sitting there and if they showed CCTV from any later… well nothing was happening, except Toxic Dagger… bit of a problem for HMG if we don’t believe what they say, cos they can’t give us any pics.

  93. Another Salisbury coincidence.

    I was thinking about the two superagents and the City Stay hotel. The story had all the dope and prostitute additions several days after the story first broke on September 5th/6th 2018.
    I wondered how the original story was released.
    Google indicated that it was a Basu press release.
    However, the link to the article was broken, and the content could not be found by what I assume is the host server.
    It appeared to be MySpace.

    Today’s breaking news.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47610936

    Who would have thought?

        1. Thanks Paul.
          As the Counter Terror Team are anxious to know what the two agents were up to, and where they went while in the UK, one may wonder why the press release that shows their picture and indicates some of their UK travel WOULD BE REMOVED from the Met site.

          No, maybe we would not wonder.

          1. Duncan, I think it can all be explained by the fact that it is not a serious investigation. From memory, the metadata in the pictures included in that release proves that the Met had all the images edited and ready to go on 9 May, 2018. There is no reasonable explanation for not making the pictures available earlier, than that the timing of release was more about politics than policing.

            The Met has brought ridicule upon itself… because they really are not very smart. Something they appear determined to demonstrate time and again. #NotFitForPurpose

            1. Paul,

              As I posted to Peter below. The Met as you say, had the information months earlier.
              Earlier release could have prevented the harm to Charlie and Dawn.
              Maybe one for the coroner to consider.

              Peter,

              That is a fair point. The harm caused to Dawn and Charlie may have been prevented if the pictures of the agents had been released in May.
              Because of the City Stay Hotel segment, the Counter Terror team knew that Novichok was in the hotel room, and who the agents were. (This is the HMG version of course.)
              Therefore, if their mug shots, and “did you see them” bulletins were done properly, then witnesses might have been reminded that they were seen near the bin where the perfume was found by Charlie.
              This is the scenario that HMG have forced themselves into.
              So similar to the duck feed boys, the police had information that could have prevented harm.

              1. My own personal opinion is Dawn-Charlie collateral damage.
                If Muslim it would be Instant Action-Support via Police-HMG
                MP’s.
                Poor Dawn-Charlie do not fit HMG-Police required standards
                of living. Expendable for Bigger Objective-Political Result.

                TPTB-HMG-POLICE….Are Sick & Corrupt!

  94. Everyone carry’s a device that can take images-video-sound..Fact of modern life!
    I will exclude older generation-No disrespect and yes I in this Group.

    What ever you-we believe think does it not look-seem strange that what ever
    happened 04-03-18 we have Nothing-Total Lockdown on Images-CCTV-Video
    Private Images uploaded to SMS-MSM?
    Gang-Drug-Knife-Sex Crime uploaded onto SMS and cant be policed [We Told]

    An Alleged Attack Salisbury-Bench…”D”Notice..No footage-images..[Policed?]
    TPTB-HMG!

    Rambling now. Off for Physio-meds. Keep up good work Ladies-Gents

  95. I think TPTB have realised that a Novihoax Attack was a Crap idea!
    To many problems. A lie that needs more lies covering a lie.

    If true and Russia responsible it would have been Skripal’s dead on-
    at Front Door with a single gunshot each.
    Pistol [automatic] with silencer!

    Poisoning is old fashioned old school anti Russia MI56 Bumph.
    It Don’t Work!

  96. We should not be surprised that several of the witnesses to the bench incident are fake – we already know that several of the witnesses at The Mill are fake too.

    Not only do we have no photographs, we have nothing from ‘ordinary’ witnesses on social media… and why did the SJ not print a single witness account? Do locals not like speaking with the SJ?

    There isn’t even an SJ witness of the masked couple… looks like the SJ was just not interested in this story at all.

    1. Either the SJ reporters are the least inquisitive bunch of ‘investigative journalists’ ever assembled in one place… or somebody has been telling them to stay away…

      1. Yes Paul! And considering it happened on SJ’s doorstep its not
        very good.
        Can we blamed for thinking its a Hoax when we have no CCTV
        Images-Strange Timelines-Lack Of Evidence-Dodgy Hero-
        Reporter-Witnesses and a Nerve Agent with bizarre quality’s?

        If this Novichok Type-Stuff true I think TPTB-HMG should and need
        to treat Russia with a bit more respect.
        It’s not true is it…A Novihoax gone wrong….HOAX!

    2. Was arrival of WAA [possibly other helicopter/s x2 in area] a planned
      distraction drawing public away to witness a landing at Sainsbury’s.
      Meanwhile a staged event is unfolding at bench.
      Would be quiet at this approx time on a Sunday for a Hoax.
      Any real public in area would go to sound of Helicopter/s.

      Only people at bench area are Crisis Actors.

      1. Mark, 4:15pm on a Sunday is always going to be pretty quiet. On that Sunday you also had the cold weather, some slush still around… it was just not likely to be busy.

        If you look at the images of the helicopter, the car park is not very full and not many people are around – a few but not many.

        I think the AA was there because it was originallly part of Toxic Dagger; it attended because it was supposed to but it was not actually supposed to do anything. Flying Yulia away from Salisbury came as a bit of a surprise to TPTB.

  97. When Prince Charles shuck hand of Hero Dodgy [allegedly] it wasn’t Hero Dodgy.
    The ear belongs K.Pritchard!

    Another MSM Lie……..

  98. Why / how the “perfume” bottle found its way into that bin or why / how it was found on that date has not been explained

    The delays in diagnosing what poisoned Dawn and Charlie have not been explained.

    The delay in searching Charlie’s flat and finding the “perfume” bottle have not been explained.

    The date chosen for Dawn’s death has not been explained

    The boycott of the World Cup had not succeeded

    The World Cup was a tremendous success, the Russians were gaining kudos

    International outrage over the Salisbury poisonings was waning

    No evidence that Russia was involved in the Salisbury incident

    This may help;

    World Cup Quarter-finals

    Fri July 6: Uruguay 0-2 France – Nizhny Novgorod

    Fri July 6: Brazil 1-2 Belgium – Kazan

    Sat July 7: Sweden 0-2 England – Samara

    Sat July 7: Russia 2-2 Croatia (3-4 on penalties) – Sochi

    Semi-finals

    Tues July 10: France 1-0 Belgium – St Petersburg

    Wed July 11: Croatia 2-1 England – Moscow

    Third-place play-off

    Sat July 14: Belgium 2-0 England – St Petersburg

    Final

    Sun July 15: France 4-2 Croatia – Moscow (Luzhniki)

      1. Release of Image/s-Fake Perfume Box-Bottle but no image/s of Bacon Wrap?
        I would like to see some evidence of this please.
        Surly it was found if it did-does exist…….

  99. BBC Radio 4 had a segment on this.
    Basically, fake stories and misinformation from the UK government in order to make Russia and China look bad.
    It seems like the early versions of the Integrity Initiative, although the internet makes the whole process simpler and more effective these days.
    Also, the UK government programme was never ended, so we continue to be lied to.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/news/the-national-archives-announces-cold-war-season-launching-april-2019/

    1. BBC today published details of the activities of the manipulative activities (ie lying to create fake news and using the media to spread the lies) of the Information Research Department of the Foreign Office during the Cold War. Of course such a programme of deception couldn’t happen today… our politicians have too much ‘integrity’ (!) these days to indulge in such behaviour.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47571253

  100. It is completely farcical. NZ shooter videos all over the internet. Video of two other gunmen caught by a motorist on his mobile. Arrest of suspects caught by another motorist on his mobile. Countless twitter posts from people who saw something. Innumerable still images…

    Salisbury…. crickets! Chirp, chirp…

    All they have are lies and deception – there isn’t one picture.

      1. No – Salisbury was a total hoax. Nothing happened. The Skripals were not on the bench, they were not in SDH in fact they were not even in the country!

        And if you don’t agree with the above, kindly produce some evidence – a picture would be good.

          1. No I am not a hoaxer but you are a fake @anidea!

            At least you are not being rude today, so thank you for that but I don’t understand why you can’t just use a different name.

            PS the video you linked is rubbish – why did you bother?

      1. The original story was that the other three arrested were not involved but now a second person is said to have been charged. It is also unclear who was the shooter at the second mosque (Linwood).

        There are just too many problems with the narrative and the video… one person arrested for sharing the video has been denied bail! For sharing a video?? https://twitter.com/rnz_news/status/1107472460771778562

        – The nearest police stations is 8 mins away but it took them 36 minutes to arrive.
        – You are supposed to believe that the shooter is a white supremacists but he does not have a single visible tattoo. CIA operatives are not allowed tattoos or other distinguishing marks.
        – There is clearly a passenger in the rear of the getaway vehicle

        I think many elements of the mosque shooting are real (I do not doubt that people died) but a lot of it isn’t – and the truth is not what we are being told. I think the shooter was an intelligence asset sent out to justify banning guns and to provoke revenge attacks by muslims worldwide.

        But the obsession with killing the video makes no sense – they simply can’t do it.

          2. That’s Handy-Convenient! Just like Top Army Medic being at
            bench and Toxic Dagger Exercise-Training coming to a close.

      2. You object to the reporting as it concentrates on the victims – as it should.

        The victims don’t suit some political agenda, it is as simple as that.

        1. “it concentrates on the victims – as it should”.

          Since when ?

          It may have escaped your notice but the usual motive behind policework is twofold: i) prevention, ii) capture and punishment of the perpetrator (which has a feedback element relating to prevention).

          So, in relation to (ii) above, how is concentration on the victims, while very laudable, going to contribute in any positive manner to capture and punishment of the perpetrators and their paymasters?

          You are American, aren’t you? I’m Sure that you are.

          1. “Propaganda of the deed” concentrates on the act and the perpetrator. Surely, media should not work for the propaganda of the perpetrator.

            1. I presume you missed the parts about, police, capture and punishment of the perpetrator?

              Should the objective not be to provide information which will enable to apprehension of the perpetrators and remove them from circulation?

              By your argument, if someone burgles your house or harms you in some way then the police reaction should be C’est la vie tough luck??

              I’m sure your legs work, maybe the arms too, that perhaps account for your total neuronal budget. It may explain your entries here.

  101. Police investigating a hammer attack outside a Mosque in E.London.
    Lots of video footage-images on a spur of moment incident.

    I finding it all to selective as to what gets filmed and what doesn’t
    and then released?

    Deadly Russian Nerve Agent Type-Stuff [Alleged] Park Bench Attack 04-03-18
    Maltings-Salisbury…NIL?

    A Mosque….Police Would Like Help To Identify Suspects Seen In Footage And
    Vehicle Involved…….

  102. Inquirer says:
    March 17, 2019 at 8:47 am

    (extract quote from DCC Paul Mills)

    « On 3 July I was watching the England match [against Colombia in the World Cup] when I got a call from Professor Tim. I was aware there had been an incident in Amesbury. The lead theory was that Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley had been exposed to a bad batch of drugs. Professor Tim said: “Paul, I’m 75% certain this is novichok again.” I declared a second major incident. »

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/dec/23/people-of-2018-salisbury-poisonings-novichok-police-constable

    ………..

    Round of Last 16 – Columbia v England

    Date and time: Tuesday 3 July, 7pm kick-off (BST)

    Won on Penalties

    Stadium: Otkrytie Arena, Moscow

    ……………

    Ambulance called for Dawn Sat 10:15am 30th June

    …………

    Basu Statement 9:45pm Wed 4th July

    “However, on Monday, 2 July, due to concerns over the symptoms the man and woman were displaying, samples from both patients were sent to Porton Down laboratory for analysis.
    Following the detailed analysis of these samples, we can confirm that the man and woman have been exposed to the nerve agent novichok, which has been identified as the same nerve agent that contaminated both Yulia and Sergei Skripal.”
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/amesbury-incident-latest-assistant-commissioner-neil-basu-statement-in-full-a8431961.html
    ……..

    1. How they construct the lies, manage the propaganda, “fool” the MSM and butter up the public. Check out the DCC Paul Mills statement issued 4:20pm Wed 4th July – very interesting

      A recap

      Sun 4th March,4:15pm

      Ambulance called for two people collapsed on a bench in the Maltings Salisbury

      Mon 5th March, 6:45pn

      Blood samples arrive at Porton Down
      Tues 6th March, 8:00am

      The type of Novichok used on Salisbury victims has been identified and confirmed

      …………..

      Sat 30th June, 10:15am

      Ambulance called for Dawn

      Mon 2nd July

      Samples sent to Porton Down

      Tues 3rd July, between 7:00 – 9:00 pm

      Police informed that Porton Down have a 75% confidence that it is Novichok

      Wed 4th July, 4:20pm

      Wiltshire Police (DCC Paul Mills) issues statement in Amesbury, (now removed from police website)

      Major Incident Announced, “unknown substance”, “tests are ongoing”, “At this stage it is not yet clear if a crime has been committed,”

      Wed 4th July, 9:45pm

      Police announce to the public that it “has been identified as the same nerve agent that contaminated both Yulia and Sergei Skripal.”

      1. My interpretation of this would be that police were very reluctant to announce the “Novichok” and revive the scare in the case of Amesbury.
        Whilst they were very keen to announce the poisoning in the case of Salisbury.

        What is your interpretation, Peter Beswick?

        1. Charles Rowley’s statement that the perfume bottle was sealed which was not contradicted by police who must have found the cellophane wrap meant the bottle was not used in the Salisbury attack.
          But how could it get lost in the Salisbury attack if Skripals route through Salisbury was on CCTV, and the environment of their home thoroughly searched? So was it a second attack by the same perpetrators or by somebody else? The more you ask, the more it is either a failure by police or a cover up.

        2. My interpretation?

          Paul Mills was told by Porton Down at between 7:00 & 9:00pm Tues evening that it is probably Novichok

          Paul Mill makes a Statement to the press and public 4:20pm Wed evening saying they don’t know what it is.

          Police knew about the Russian Suspects and Novichok in the hotel room at the beginning of May, they knew what they looked like but did not reveal the information until after Dawn was dead.

          Novichok identified in less than 40 hours, after the ambulances were called for the Skripals, for Dawn they took over 107 hours

          Time from Porton Down getting the samples to confirming the TYPE of Novichok in the Skripal case, less than 13 hours. In Dawns case it was between nearly 46 hours and nearly 70 hours (from some time on Mon to 9:45pm on Wed)

          Make your own conclusions.

          You say the police didn’t want to alarm the public in the Amesbury case but didn’t mind if they did in the Salisbury case.

          However, in the Salisbury case the authorities’ knew at c 8:00am on Tues 6th March what Type of Novichok it was. On the 7th March the Public were told by Mark Rowley only that a Nerve Agent was involved. Mrs may announced in the HoC that it was Novichok on the 12th March.

          My conclusion is that lies were being told and an Official Narrative was being made up on the hoof.

          However it is difficult to ignore the post code / class lyyery involved for the Skripals / Bailey and Dawn and Charlie.

          The Duck feed boys didn’t get checked out for two weeks nor did Sam Hobson. The police lied about the decontamination efforts and Bailey’s involvement.

          The lies cannot be put back in the bottle, counterfeit or otherwise.

          2. But regarding Dawn

            If the police had released the pair of Russian suspects earlier and someone recognised them, then the “Perfume” bottle may have been found earlier.

            (the police didn’t know about the 2nd Novichok receptacle at the time but they knew they had not recovered the one used on the 4th March)

            If samples had been sent to Porton Down earlier Dawn may have had a better chance of survival.

            If Porton Down had turned Dawn’s samples around in the same time as they did the Skripals she may have had a better chance of survival.

            If PHE had not issued stupid advice that there was low risk to the public knowing that the Novichok receptical had not been found then Charlie might have thought twice about taking the perfume home

            Dawn was let down by the police the hospital, DSTL Porton Down and PHE Porton Down

            1. I guess not just class but not being a Russian double agent (so the Russians could not have any motive and the Integrity Initiative had no interest) and the bad luck to arrive in hospital on a Saturday.

              Sunday usually would have been just as bad, so I suspect there was some preparedness in the case of the Skripals.

              I also have a sneaking suspicion that Sergeant Bailey did find the first Novichok receptical so that everybody assumed Salisbury was safe.

            2. “…the police didn’t know about the 2nd Novichok receptacle at the time…”

              That’s because it didn’t exist and had yet to be invented.

              “… but they knew they had not recovered the one used on the 4th March”

              That’s because that one too didn’t exist and had yet to be invented.

              Both were created in a desperate attempt to keep up with the fast-moving ‘investigation’, or rather, fast-evolving narrative.

            3. Peter,

              That is a fair point. The harm caused to Dawn and Charlie may have been prevented if the pictures of the agents had been released in May.
              Because of the City Stay Hotel segment, the Counter Terror team knew that Novichok was in the hotel room, and who the agents were. (This is the HMG version of course.)
              Therefore, if their mug shots, and “did you see them” bulletins were done properly, then witnesses might have been reminded that they were seen near the bin where the perfume was found by Charlie.
              This is the scenario that HMG have forced themselves into.
              So similar to the duck feed boys, the police had information that could have prevented harm.

    2. Wiltshire Dep. Chief Constable Paul Mills wrote in the Guardian (published on 23 Dec 2018):

      “Professor Tim (…) told us there was every indication this was a nerve agent (…) There was a sense of disbelief.
      (…)
      On 3 July I was watching the England match [against Colombia in the World Cup] when I got a call from Professor Tim. (…) Professor Tim said: “Paul, I’m 75% certain this is novichok again.”

      Paul Mills again, but a month earlier, said in BBC Panorama (broadcast on 22 November 2018):

      “Tim came into my office and gave us that brief that this was a nerve agent, and I say that, sort of, aghast – stroke – sense of disbelief for us …”

      Those two versions by Mills – about how Prof. Tim broke the news of the nerve agent that caused “a sense of disbelief” – contain completely different details. In the Guardian, Mills said he was watching the (7 pm to 9 pm) football match when he got a call. In Panorama, Mills said he was in his office at the time and got a (phone?) call.

      How can he reconcile those two stories? Is he admitting that he was watching TV while on duty (in the evening), and that Prof. Tim made a’call round’ to the police station?

      Or perhaps it’s more likely that the scriptwriters couldn’t make up their minds and stick to a story – not even the small details.

      1. Possibly different situations – every indication – 75% certain – 100% certain ….

        at a certain stage they must have looked in Charlie’s flat for it, or did they do nothing from June 30 to July 4?

        1. I had written about my suspicions about how Mills added the “75% certain” detail (see below) but I had not posted it yet when you posted your comment.

          Regarding the question of whether they looked for anything in Charlie’s flat, Wiltshire Police were still clearly suggesting on 3rd July that it was a drug-related incident. Their tweet that “drugs gangs blight the lives of vulnerable people” in the afternoon was obviously about the Amesbury incident.
          https://twitter.com/wiltshirepolice/status/1014162233897766913
          That tweet was one of four with a similar message, starting on the day after the incident. And it was either ‘liked’ or retweeted by the local top cops, Kier Pritchard and Angus McPherson.

          The police therefore believed it was drug-related (and would have only searched the flat for drugs), or else they were just pretending it was.

      2. I can’t help wondering if Porton Down’s ‘nerve agent’ test results had to be shifted from Mills’ office (during normal office working hours) to his home (in the evening) to make the discovery time as late as possible.

        If nerve agent was discovered early that day (3rd July), people might ask why it took until the early hours of the next morning to declare a major incident ( announced on 4th July – https://twitter.com/wiltshirepolice/status/1014535181741551616 ).

        Also the updated story contained a new detail – that Prof. Tim was only “75% certain”, so there was an excuse to hesitate in declaring a major incident.

            1. They might have thought about covering it up altogether if they could have been sure there were no more perfume bottles around.

          2. The daily Telegraph has this suspicion in its link address though it has been taken out of the article in favour of “they found it under a bush in a park” .

            https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/15/novichok-poisoning-did-skripal-attackers-use-charlie-rowleys/

            The original text retranslated from a German comment
            “The house was only recently finished and was still a building site in March. Charles Rowley had moved into the flat only recently and was still unpacking according to family members.
            Philip Ingram, a former secret service and security officer, explained that it was possible, that the would be attackers had used the empty building as a safe house and left the bottle there when they departed.”

  103. Anyone who thinks people do not take videos/images of ‘disaster sceens’ should check out this:

    https://twitter.com/jarrod_b/status/1107122067995017216

    There are several problems with this video however:

    – There is no blood splatter/spotting evident on the walls
    – The male seen texting, ‘dies’ in the original video
    – the male in the black shirt clearly moves his arm to support himself when he is moved
    – why are people disturbing the scene? Should they not leave it to the authorities?

    1. “The Al Noor mosque in Christchurch targeted by Brenton Tarrant produced at least two terrorists, from a very small congregation: al-Qaida recruit Daryl Jones, killed by a drone, and Christopher Havard. The parents of these boys say their sons were radicalized by extremist preachers at Al Noor. The boys were in Yemen with the guys who trained the Charlie Hebdo killers. A 2014 story at Stuff.co.nz (now scrubbed from the internet) quotes a mosque attendee who says, “A visiting speaker from Indonesia talked about violent jihad and plenty shared his views.” Three questions: How many news reports have you read these details in? If you’d known that this mosque was a terrorist factory, would it have changed your feelings about the news at all? Finally, how does it make you feel to learn that the media has been not just ignoring these facts but deleting stories to hide them over the past 24 hours?”
      https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/photos/a.599546946849871/1390479324423292/?type=3&theater

      As Milo notes, the original article has been removed but an archived copy can be found here:
      https://web.archive.org/web/20140727140346/www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10310496/A-Kiwi-lads-death-by-drone

      Meanwhile authorities in NZ have threatened people with 10 years imprisonment just for possession of the original video!

      1. An Australian self described fascist murdered 40 people in Christchurch and streamed it as propaganda into the internet, correct?

        1. Do you have any idea what you are talking about or are you just quoting memes?

          This is what the shooter actually said:
          “The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China.”

          “Christchurch Shooter Praises Communist China, Condemns Conservatism and Capitalism: Media Call Him a Trump Supporter”
          https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/31759-christchurch-shooter-praises-communist-china-condemns-conservatism-and-capitalism-media-call-him-a-trump-supporter

          Furthermore, Turkish police are now investigating the shooter’s 43-day travels in Turkey and it is already known that he also visited a number of East European and other countries…

          For many reasons this is starting to look like a CIA operation. Not content with sabotaging the electric grid in Venezuela, they are also behind the Christchurch attack. Yes people died but it is not what we are being told.

          If you have seen the video I will discuss it with you – have you seen it?

            1. In the getaway part of the 17 mins video, Brenton is talking to someone sitting behind him on the back seat of the car. That person suggests a “situation review”.

              So there was Brenton, his passenger and at least 2 others carrying weapons.

              Police did arrest 4 people but that does not appear to include the 3 mentioned above and only one person has been charged:

              https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-say-four-arrested-following-christchurch-shooting-only-one-charged

  104. To everyone who has been trying and failing to post about Nigeria. Here’s what happened.

    Years ago someone gave me a list of words to put into WordPress that would be automatically blocked, which I copied and pasted. These are obscenities etc, and the purpose was to stop awful stuff coming through. I think it works really well, and that has been reflected in the fact that the discussions on this blog, though sometimes heated, have never been abusive.

    However, I just went to check what was in there and for some reason along with the horrible N word some people use to describe people with dark skin, there was also “Niger”, which to my knowledge is a country and not an offensive term.

    So this is to apologise to those who have tried and failed to post something with the word Nigeria in it. It wasn’t MI6 or WordPress algorithms after all — just a misspelling in the original list I used.

    You can now post on Nigeria to your heart’s content.

    Rob

    1. I just tried to reply by saying that it does seem rather n_ggardly to stop us posting about N_geria… and it was blocked!

    3. Earlier today I posted a brief comment to test the filter’s response to a certain subject. The comment was automatically blocked. This is what it looked like: https://ibb.co/s69hXRT .
      Looks fairly harmless, I think. It doesn’t contain any words that Rob might have set to detect offensive material.

      That was a reference to another recent post from me that didn’t get through either. https://ibb.co/dLWBf6y . That was the first time I was blocked on this site, and Rob confirmed that he had nothing to do with it.

      Some more observations here, https://ibb.co/vs9LSZt that I intended to post

      That was about something that someone said on a major TV network about a very famous politician. It’s the kind of allegation that is made every day about people in high office. So why is the algorithm so sensitive about it?

        1. Having said yesterday that I had never had a comment blocked, it also happened to me again today and I really don’t know why. My comment didn’t even mention GCHQ!

  105. Sorry to change the subject, but I wonder if this is what Charlie had:

    Signs of a Methadone Overdose
    If you come across someone demonstrating signs of a methadone overdose, it is best that you take that you seek medical attention. Such signs are comparable to overdose symptoms and may include:

    Low blood pressure and a weak pulse
    Constricted or pinpoint pupils
    Body spasms at irregular intervals
    Dizziness or sloppy behavior
    Cold, clammy skin
    Blue lips and fingernails
    Absence of breathing or consciousness

    If an individual is able to speak, they may attempt to talk you out of taking them to the hospital. They may insinuate that they feel no pain whatsoever. This may be the residual effects of the methadone masking their true discomfort. Overdose signs may present themselves up to 10 hours after methadone use. Do not sit idly by; always react to the threat of an overdose in others.

    Methadone Overdose (mg)
    Even if it may not appear that way, methadone is actually one of the safest and most effective medications around — when used properly and as prescribed, that is. As with all things, dose makes the poison, and when it comes to methadone in particular we have a somewhat clear picture of what a lethal amounts look like.

    Due to increased tolerance, consistent opioid users can get away with using more methadone at a time. Anywhere between 150 – 200 mg will prove lethal. But this number can be significantly less if the methadone sticks around the system for long enough. The number of milligrams needed for an overdose can be as low as 25 mg if the proper tolerance isn’t there. For this reason, many fatal methadone overdoses occur within the first few weeks of maintenance treatment.

    Alcohol is known to aggravate the situation and lower the amount of methadone it takes to produce a lethal overdose. The two substances should not be mixed under any circumstances. The exact same can be said for methadone and benzodiazepine concoctions.

    And then there is this:
    Reverend Roy Collins: “Charlie was incoherent. He did stand out a little bit, he was not very well dressed and was rather dishevelled in his appearance. I assumed that he had been drinking, so I wanted to get some food into him and he did take something. We had an opportunity to have a very brief chat. Around 200 people attended the event, including many families and children, but nobody else has suffered any ill effects.”

    1. It’s interesting about methadone.
      I have always believed that Charlie’s and Dawn’s case was overdose.

      1. The hospital would know that.

        There was not much propaganda after Amesbury happened, basically nothing at all. The met did not charge “Borishov” and “Petrov” with the Amesbury case and did not even insist the case was connected with the Skripal poisoning.

        So I tend to think the organophosphate poisoning was real in Dawn Sturgess’ case and Charles Rowley had a dosis similar to Sergeant Bailey – with a lot of other substances mixed into it.

              1. This is hilarious! It is very nearly as late where I am as it is where you are but I am having to much fun to go to bed!

              2. Amesbury happened after OPCW had decided on being able to blame perpetrators, not before.
                And it preceded the announcement of a withdrawal from Syria. Which may or may not have happened.

            2. anidea said : “Sure, but they would be able to distinguish organophosphate poisoning from other stuff.”

              Sure ? read this :
              https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/dec/23/people-of-2018-salisbury-poisonings-novichok-police-constable

              « On 3 July I was watching the England match [against Colombia in the World Cup] when I got a call from Professor Tim. I was aware there had been an incident in Amesbury. The lead theory was that Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley had been exposed to a bad batch of drugs. Professor Tim said: “Paul, I’m 75% certain this is novichok again.” I declared a second major incident. »

              “a bad batch of drugs”, that doesn’t exclude methadone.
              And Charlie Rowley used methadone :
              “Rowley, it was noted, had visited a pharmacist in Amesbury to pick up a methadone prescription”
              https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dawn-sturgess-amesbury-novichok-victim-poison-death-conspiracy-theory-russia-a8438271.html

    1. Is this a contest over who is the victim?

      The New Zealand murderer is a self declared fascist.

      1. Much like Self Declared ISIS Supporters Who Leave U.K. then want to come
        back n have Kids Our NHS!
        Have Em In A Tent If That’s What They Believe…Payed No Taxes!

        Not a contest just a fact!

      3. I am not going to say much here but the NZ incident is already starting to look like a possible false flag. There are several very serious matters that do not add up – not least of which is that the perpetrator spent some time in Pakistan last year.

        Have you seen the video he live-streamed? No broken windows as he sprayed bullets; no dust as stray bullets hit the dry lined walls… there is a very long list of problems.

        But it came at a very convenient time to grab the MSM headlines…

          1. anidea! If people say white You will say black. Stop sitting on a fence.
            Trolling other peoples ideas and de-bunking,it not clever.

          3. Is this really @anidea? Or is it someone sitting in for him today?

            Your comments today have been extremely poor, much lower than your usual standard and you are simply adopting a stupid adversarial approach to everything. It takes no effort or brain power to do that.

            Whoever you are, you are not a patch on the real @anidea.

            1. What is he panic about? That the words you consider “freedom of speech” made an unhinged guy commit a massacre?

              1. You are an imposter! Your style is completely different from @anidea – his English is better than yours as well.

                    1. Haha! Sorry Paul I very Confused now? Think I drive a Long Road
                      in Merc to “Be So Confused”

                      Ha, Best Wishes

        3. There seem to be at least two other suspects but nobody is telling us anything about them.

        4. Hey CHCH is my home town
          There is a very close knit community after the awful suffering of the earthquakes and fires last year
          There is 2 degrees of separation here .
          People saw the dead bodies, the blood, families who are known to a vast number of others are grieving, 39 lie injured in the hospital, some critically
          If you were planning a false flag CHCH would be the last place you would choose

          1. francesca,

            Sorry if I have upset you. I am not suggesting that the attack didn’t happen. I just think it might not be the work of a lone wolf.

          2. Francesca, nobody is saying that nothing happened in Christchurch but things might not be as they seem or they as are being reported. I have seen the entire vido (17 mins) and discussed it with ‘military types’ – their view was that there are several problems with it that I don’t want to go into now.

            Sadly nowhere is safe from false flag attacks or other ‘events’. Who would have thought that Salisbury would be the site of the first use of ‘nerve agents’ against civilians?

            It is no disrespect to seek the truth.

          3. TBH Francesca, I can’t be the only person who thought that NZ was possibly the last place for such an attack – that’s why it’s all such a shock.

    2. As you see, nobody blocked your publication.

      It would be better for the Skripal topic if this thread is not mixed with unrelated discussions. Paul knows this but does otherwise.

      And it is a shame to insult anidea for just disagreeing with someone.

      My deep condolences to francesca and her community.

      1. 1) The word that caused the earlier problem was the name of the African country.
        2) There is no reason at all why we should not discuss other topics – you are not required to join in if you do not wish to do so.
        3) It is not @anidea and if it was, he would certainly not need you to interject on his behalf!

        When the real@anidea returns to work I am sure he will be very unhappy with the drivel posted in his name! It also rather gives the game away… as you have just done!

        1. “The word that caused the earlier problem was the name of the African country.”

          Your right, I can’t post

          N_g_r_a

            1. Yes, that came through OK. I was wondering if a filter was confusing N_g_r_a with an offensive term for a black person.

              1. Let’s try some more African countries:

                Ethiopia, Sudan, South Sudan, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia

                2. There is another African country N_g_r – where the first space is ‘i’ and the second ‘e’ – we are not allowed to post that name either!

                    4. I’ve been looking at the messages that appear at the bottom left of the screen while the page is loading. When my message is blocked “google analytics” appears but I haven’t noticed it when the message is not blocked.

                    5. Blunderbuss, I have Google analytics blocked, it is not that. It seems to be some WordPress algo that is blocking it.

              2. I think you’re right, Blunderbuss, there’s a poorly written filter that is supposed to block a (mis)spelled racist term. Unintended consequences, an instance of …

                … and now I daren’t speak kindly of that sweet African prince who used to keep wanting to send me money.

                1. eleanor,

                  The FBI wants to send me 10.5 million dollars and I only have to pay 295 dollars to get it.

                  1. Seems like a bargain, Blunderbuss, go for it. If it was too good to be true, I’d warn you off it – the FBI keep their money in Fort Knox, and you can’t be safer than that (except in films).

              1. I’ve just posted another comment with more details of what somebody said. It got blocked, just like a previous post of mine some time ago on the same subject. That’s despite the fact that the story was reported on in the media a couple of years ago. And there was nothing in my comment that I can see that could be mistaken for a rude word.

        2. There are articles in Wikipedia on herder-farmer conflicts, with links to related publications.

          “The majority of farmer-herder clashes have occured between Muslim Fulani herdsmen and Christian farmers, exacerbating ethnoreligious hostilities.”

          One article is entitled as “2019 Kaduna State massacre.”

          It is ridiculous to claim – and stage a show – that some dark forces chose specifically this blog to block the theme of farmer-herder clashes.

          1. Why are you answering for anidea? Can’t he do it himself?

            By the way, whatever happened to Siberiak, he hasn’t posted in ages?

            Really sorry that you had to be dragged back in to work so late on a Saturday evening but they really have been doing a very bad job all day.

            When you are in a hole, stop digging!

          2. Yeah verily but there are also some dark forces that do suggest veiled ad hominems akin to trolling.

            It’s not new here today but it is becoming markedly more pronounced of late.

  107. I thought I saw Sergei and Yulia Skripal on an Oxford-London Train (reported further down) but I don’t claim to be sure. Did anyone else see them?

    I know Cambridge is heavily involved with spying but is Oxford involved too?

  108. VERY IMPORTANT – PLEASE READ

    Some people have described being unable to post to the blog. It has never happened to me until now!

    I have twice tried to post the following text and both times, the blog refreshed but my post was missing.

    Let me say, I do not believe that Rob has anything to do with this – but it did happen.

    I will post my comment one paragraph at a time to see what offended some algo somewhere.

    1. This has nothing to do with the Skripals but everything to do with how the MSM constantly manipulatres and lies to perpetuate the “chosen narrative”.

      1. The shooting that took place in NZ yesterday was dreadful, whoever did it. The MSM is trying to blame it on the far right and we have wall to wall coverage of the event on TV, in the press and online.

        1. Hah! I have found it! I just tried posting a paragraph and it did not appear. I then replaced all the spaces in the paragraph with ‘-‘ and it still did not appear! I will continue until I find a wat to post it that gets reound the algo blocking it!

          1. I will try, cutting it up into sections to see if it posts:

            What the MSM is not telling you about is the recent mass slaughter of Christians

            1. OK the next bit didnt post twice. I will now try spelling the words backwards but leaving them in the correct order!

              ni airegiN yb milsum nemsdreh.

              2. At 13:04, I submitted a post that read:

                “testing

                (the reversed version of what Paul wrote backwards)”

                and it has not appeared.

                eleanor, posting at 13:06

                  1. Thanks Eleanor, The story is being blocked all over the place! Som please tell your friends not just to read the article but that free speech is being killed too.

                    The story is oply appearing on various Christian websites. It is beiong strangled everywhere else!

                    I have found another report and will post the link after this (if the algos let me!)

                2. A theory just tested has maybe revealed that what caused Paul’s text to combust: the hypothesis was that the m word was rejected by a profanity filter. I wuz wrong.

                  The test post substituted the word ‘blank’ for the potentially offensive word in the – ahem! – contentious phrase.

                  Entire post disappeared, how very clever is that?!

                  1. As I have just noted below Eleanor, another post of mine has gone missing and that didn’t have the ‘m’ word in it anyway! It did however have the name of an African country beginning with ‘N’…

                    1. Yes, I was tempted to test the N word next, Paul, in fact maybe I will as soon as this one appears.

                1. You cannot be serious!

                  If you can’t work out the point when a story is being killed and free speech is being denied, then it is not worth my time to try and help you!

                  1. The story has been all over the media. The background is not religion but climate change that drives a conflict between herders and farmers.

                    1. If it is all over the news, post the links!

                      The violence has more to do with over-population than anything else.
                      .
                      .
                      This is not my original reply but what I originally wrote would not post! I have sent a copy of that to Rob in case he wants to investigate.

                    3. “The story has been all over the media.”

                      Not here, it hasn’t. Not here in the UK, I mean.

                    4. Just google country herders farmers

                      The links don’t get through. It is a well described conflict.

                    5. “country herders farmers”

                      I wouldn’t have needed this handy hint, anidea, if I’d already been aware of what had happened, via the news.

                      That’s the point really: there’s plenty of stuff to be found and maybe sometimes I’m looking for news that is of no interest to you (or anyone else here) at all. And sometimes I’m offline, quite intentionally.

                    7. If you can’t post the link because it has the name of a country in it, simply replace the name with ‘xxxx’ and tell us to put the name back… but real@anidea would have given long quotes as well as being able to work out how to get round the problem!

                2. Point Is PTB-MSM being selective in what is being released to
                  public on a global scale. Forcing a narrative!
                  Got nothing to do with religion…Yanki Doller-Oil-War-Power-Lies!

                  1. Okay, Okay, Rob fixed it. This is the link.
                    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/world/africa/africa-nigeria-herders-farmers-battle.html

                    New York Times is MSM right? From September 2018
                    “Across parts of Nigeria, conflicts that mirror the 20th-century range wars in the American West have broken out between farmers and herdsmen vying for land, leading to bloody battles. In the first six months of this year, these clashes killed an estimated 1,300 people — six times the number who died in the war with the Islamist extremist group Boko Haram in the same period, the International Crisis Group says.”

  109. The case of Andrea Sella, the Chemist.
    Andrea Sella at present is engaged with a dispute on the OPCW report on Douma. He is part of the group around Bellingcat
    This here is him on Twitter
    “And “I read that novichok is not persistent” is nonsesne. Where did you read that. The @OPCW report on the Skripal poisoning said explicitly that the compound was “of high purity, persistent and resistant to weather conditions.””
    Actually the report did not say the “persistent and resistant to weather conditions.
    That was in the spokesperson’s statement after Ahmed Üzümlü made the gaffe of talking of grams.
    All the OPCW report concludes is this
    “The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.”
    The persistent and resistent to weather conditions is an educated guess as OPCW could find the high purity after two weeks in the environment of Salisbury.

    1. This here is what Vladimir Uglev says who is supposed to develop the stuff
      https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/09/novichok-could-have-been-carried-in-lipstick-tube-says-scientist-who-worked-on-nerve-agent
      ““The substance is very stable. It can be washed away by rain, it can evaporate under the sun. But it won’t decompose,” he said.”
      This is not “resistant to weather conditions”
      So what OPCW found was not was decapacitated the Skripals. It might have been the same stuff though, just a fresh version.

    2. Well, this implies that OPCW was incapable of determening these essential properties of the substance from its chemical composition. And instead xhose to infer them from an account given by HMG – the party from which they are supposed to be completely independent. And then include this unscientific speculation into their own statement for no obvious reason. Excuse me, but I am not convinced.

    3. The Gospel not according to John the Apostle, but Andrea the Chemist.

      The trouble is that “persistent” doesn’t rhyme well with “baby wipes”. It also doesn’t rhyme well with “organophosphorus compounds”, which in general tend to decompose in the presence of moisture. It also doesn’t rhyme well with “P-F bond”, i.e. the fluorine atom bound to the phosphorus atom in any molecule of A-234, since those are said to be rather easily broken. Neither rhyme nor reason, I’d say, in this Gospel…

      If the Skripal saga is a maze, the chemistry supposedly involved is a maze within a maze. We don’t even know what the definitive formula of A-234 is, or the structure of its molecules. And for obvious reasons, there’s nothing in the public domain about production methods, chemical properties and propensities. It really is the perfect stuff for fiction.

      But maybe it’s the gel that did the trick regarding persistency, anyway. But has anyone ever tried to spray a gel with the delicate nebuliser of a perfume bottle? Or, discarding the perfume nebuliser, maybe this Ricci stuff is in fact a gel, a novelty perfume, to be dispensed with a liquid-soap-style pump? Deadly nerve agent to be applied to your door handle of choice with just a few wild squirts, I’m sure.

      This must be the legendary British sense of humour, 2018.

    1. The propaganda heaped on afterwards was the “Russia scare” that is used in other contexts, too, like here
      “https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/13704/academic-warns-russia-scare-stories-seek-disarm-independence-movement”
      “Experts and activists hit back at pro-war Henry Jackson Society claims

      AN academic expert on propaganda has warned the claims of a right-wing think tank about foriegn influence in the Scottish independence movement are an attempt to “disarm” it.

      Professor David Miller, a Professor of Political Sociology at the University of Bristol, made the comments in response to remarks in the Times by John Hemmings, a director of the Asia Studies Centre at the Henry Jackson Society (HJS).

      In the article, Hemmings claims that Chinese and Russian influence in Scotland could provide a “back door” to those influences in the UK, with Scottish independence potentially being part of a “larger game” to destabilise the West.
      He said: “If one were to ask why Russia and China might approach Scotland, I would have to say that presumably it’s because the [independence] referendum makes Scotland appear as a back door way into influencing the UK, somewhere Russian and Chinese perspectives might find a friendlier ear than London.”

    2. So CCTV can be released of a Fish n Chip robber from general day to day
      footage running 24/7 or 12hr recordings at least but day to day footage of
      a bench cant be released 04-03-18?
      Was Fish n Chip robbery a pre planned Terrorist attack for World MSM?

      1. You mean two stills with the assumed perpetrators not doing anything?

        There is a lot more from the Skripal case including video.

        1. OK so why can’t we see 1 still of the couple on the bench? Or 1 still of the area around the bench between 4 & 5 pm?

          Because it was all a HOAX – unlike the chipshop robbery!

          P.S. video of P&B does not count! They were not on the bench!

          1. Sorry, they don’t show the fish and chip shop robbery. They show two images of two people with unclear background.
            The robbery might as well have been a hoax assuming your logic.

            1. I am not asking for clear images. ANY image that catches the area of the bench between 4pm and 5pm will do!

              I assume the chipshop robbery is not a hoax because I can see two people – even though the background is not clear! Those images are fine. I believe it!!

            2. P&B unclear background only what Theresa,Police,Belligcat broadcast!
              They walked past a Shell garage looked in a Coin Shop. Sorry,they don’t
              show a nonichoking of a door handle.
              Yes it was/is a hoax with my logic.

          1. You mean video images of two perpetrators { P&B} being released
            and must be Guilty because Theresa May,Police say so with no evidence
            these Guys have done anything wrong!

            1. Except walk past a Shell garage and look in a Coin Shop window.
              How does this make P&B Guilty of a crime?

    3. “Social Media Strategy” Very much like Lee Rigby,French Attackers,HGV Crashing Into
      Christmas Market!!
      All Captured On CCTV And Broadcast…Why?
      No “D” Notice Forced. I don’t want to see Innocent People Murdered To Please TPTB
      Forcing Agenda-Narrative For Sheep!!!

      No CCTV Of Couple Feeding Ducks With Kids-No CCTV Of Couple Being Sprayed
      Gelled-Injected On A Bench….Why Please? [Because It Did Not Happen!]

  111. Shooting In New Zealand,Lots of footage,images,video,livestreeming.

    Public bench with two dummy’s. Fake perfume in a bin…Nothing?

  112. Can someone email BBC program authors and ask whether they made a request to interview Skripals, and if so, on what grounds it was refused? I would have written myself, but someone with non-Russian name should have better chances.

  113. In my quest to find ‘dodgy’ witnesses, I came across something else.

    The Times article of 3 May, 2018, is worth reading again:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gloves-failed-to-shield-sergeant-from-novichok-htdzvs6dt

    It is behind a paywall but sign up and you get a couple of articles free each week. It is worth doing.

    Anyway, the article is interesting for a number of reasons:

    The manager of a shop a few metres away stopped to put rubbish in a bin next to the pair at about 4.10pm, minutes before the alarm was raised. [Mr Skripal] was sitting upright, eyes closed, and she was lying with her head in his lap. They were not making a noise,” the shop manager, who asked not to be named, said.” – now that is extremely useful!

    It is after Freya and before McCourt. The timing fits. But does the scene? Freya spoke about making eye contact, that is clearly now not possible… but ‘Yulia’s’ head in his lap?? Abigail McCourt said she thought HE had had a heart attack. That does not fit very well with what the shop manager described. Did they move afterwards?

    It also sounds very calm… is it even the sort of scene that would cause anyone to think there was any sort of problem? It does not appear that the shop manager was concerned. Frankly, it would not be very hard to act that sort of scene!

    I think this is a bone fide witness of the CCTV couple sitting on the bench acting.

    But there are other things in the article:

    It recounts the duck feeding event.

    It was the first account to mention the “ebola nurse”:

    “…a source with knowledge of the case revealed that the first person to respond to the Skripals when they passed out was an off-duty army nurse who had worked on the ebola outbreak in Sierra Leone. The nurse, a commissioned officer who has asked to remain anonymous, treated them before the emergency services arrived, and was vomited on but is not thought to have suffered novichok poisoning.”

    And then if offered this gem:

    “Anything that may have been exposed can only be given the all-clear after a painstaking process of sampling and testing. Novichok nerve agents cannot simply be washed away by rainwater and must be specifically treated.”- but… but… baby wipes!!

    How can they possibly have written that in the same article that they mentioned the duck feeding?

    Then I noticed the main author “Deborah Haynes, Defence Editor “ – who was mentioned as one of II’s UK cluster members….

      1. Head On Lap! I thought Females Head was on shoulder. At what time did change
        of position get noted by Witnesses?
        Did anyone report Females Head falling-slumping from shoulder to lap?

      2. “Traces of the nerve agent were also found at the foot of Mr Skripal’s front door, indicating that the attempted assassination was done “messily”, The Times has learnt. This has raised the possibility that specks of novichok had been on the shoes of Mr Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33, as well as on their hands, potentially widening the scope of a “novichok trail” around the city.”

        I have an alternative explanation. Sergei spilled some Novichok in his laboratory, located in the roof space. It then dripped down on to the door handle and the ground. The door handle was not contaminated by P&B, but by an accidental spill.

    1. I thought about telling you a terrible joke about fish and herbs but it’s really not the thyme or the plaice.

    2. Indeed, SJ had one of its biggest stories ever, and of huge international interest, so a decision was made to to not cover it. The reason given is that a local councillor didn’t like it coverage that meant a pet project – an entirely worthy lantern parade by a local primary school – didn’t receive enough promotion.

      I wonder who made that decision … editor Joe Riddle maybe? The decision resulted in Rebecca Hudson (trainee) becoming Rebecca Hudson (Head of News).

      That’s some going, for someone who only got to The Maltings after the ambulances had already left.

      (I’ll ignore Paul’s joke and my own about cod … )

          1. Piscatorially speaking, Riddle’s only a tiddler. There are much bigger fish in this heavily polluted sea that need frying… and battering.

            1. Oh for goodness hake. I don’t want you to think I’m carping at you, but even as salmon who has plenty of trouts about the offishial narrative, I have to say that all this talk about seafood is beginning to sound like desperate floundering in the dark, introducing yet more red-herrings that are only likely to give us all more bad haddocks.

              Maybe it was seafood poisoning after all.

              (Apologies for the haddock one. That was admittedly pretty pathetic 😉)

  116. Fellow Blogmirers.

    Help needed.

    Joe Riddle was Rebecca Hudson’s superior when the Skripal saga first began.
    Coincidently or not, Rebecca was soon promoted to Head of News at the Salisbury Journal, and Joe moved onto the Argus at Brighton.
    We now learn that Ms Hudson is moving to Oxford, so this means that the two reporters who covered the breaking news on March 4th are no longer with the Salisbury Journal.
    The help I seek from the Blogmirers is to have Joe contacted by email.
    His address is Joe.riddle@theargus.co.uk
    What should your message say?
    “Joe, what happened, why was the coverage so weird?”
    Compared with every other “big event” there seemed to be very little public data available.
    Data such as mobile phone pictures of the victims, witness statements from the bench scene, Zizzi’s, Mill Pub etc etc.
    We all know the unanswered questions, and Joe was ignored by Panorama as were all the local media.

    Joe might still have an interest in the Salisbury story.
    I will also write to him. I won’t mention the topic, as Rebecca and maybe even Joe can/do read this Blog.
    Like Rebecca, Joe seems to have passed up on the biggest story in his lifetime.
    I wonder why.

    1. I have sent him a message.

      Reading your post also made me think it is very odd that the SJ does not have lots of interviews with local people about 4 March… in fact there isn’t one! What were they doing?

      1. Reply received within 12 minutes!

        Hi Paul,

        I’m so sorry but I no longer work at the Journal.

        Might I suggest you contact the current head of news Rebecca Hudson who I’m sure would be happy to help with your enquiry.

        Very best wishes,

        Joe

        1. Does he play Rugby? He’d be a star!

          Perhaps a reminder that we’re not asking about current events (which he may not be up to date with) but instead about events for which he was present.

          Has his brain become susceptible to swiss cheese disease?

    2. I`m a Brighton resident and Argus reader – perhaps I should question him directly? Its crazy that we should be doing their job for them.

      1. Dear Evolution, that would be great.
        This might be done better if we email each other.
        If that is suitable for you, then email Rob with your approval and he can kindly send us email addresses.
        I have failed badly at this. Trying to understand what would motivate a journalist in to following up on a big story.
        1) Exclusivity
        2) Political agenda
        3) Altruistic approach to the truth
        4) Money

        With thst in mind, we have a German based author who is researching a book on the Salisbury Skripal Saga.
        Perhaps Joe would be able to meet with you and discuss what we remembers of the big event and the subsequent days after.
        A fee may be possible, (it’s also possible that Scotland will beat England tomorrow) but highly unlikely.
        We need to know what makes Joe tick, even if it is just finding out that he is going to keep quiet.
        He told Paul to contact Rebecca. That tells us something.
        It can’t be possible that HMG is pressuring them to say nothing. Can it?

        1. Ok ,Duncan, seems a good plan- I’ll e-mail Rob as you suggest.

          Oh – I’m Evoluon, my alias, not Evolution – named after an obscure now defunct (I think) Dutch Science museum.

  117. From Rebecca’s article, here

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956474819835413?platform=hootsuite

    she writes “Two days later, on a Sunday afternoon, I am on my way to a crime cordon in Salisbury city centre, with little information other than that people have spotted the air ambulance.” Which sort of indicates the time she got there. But begs the question of which people had spotted the aa.

    A few other choice quotes

    “Police tell me (off the record) that they’re pursuing the line that this is a fentanyl poisoning.” [interesting idea]

    “The Journal team on this is a news editor, two senior reporters and a trainee (me, at the start of the story), one content manager and a staff photographer.” [R was promoted to head of news, what did the two senior reporters get?]

    “That leads to a decision to make our readers the priority and not get involved in door-knocking the Skripals’ neighbours, who have been told not to talk to the press.” [secrecy]

    “It is impossible to get off-the-record or background information from the police, with whom we normally have a good relationship. First, they are sworn to secrecy and are understandably unwilling to share anything they do know.” [more secrecy]

    2. Two more things:

      1) Why does she call it a ‘crime’ cordon?
      2) Does she not own a phone? Surely, her good friend Spencer Mulholland would have called her more than an hour earlier to tell her he was already waiting for the AA to arrive.

    3. What’s interesting is that she fails to mention the other emergency medical incident that ran concurrently with The Maltings incident; this purportedly was the incident for which the Air Ambulance was summoned, although iirc the female was later road-transported to hospital and there was no mention of the male needing any further (medical) attention. IIRC this was also hinted to be an overdose scenario (although I may just have invented this detail).

      This, other, incident seemed to be coincidental, but it may have been less coincidence than it really was. I’ve not managed to locate the source of this recollection, other than it was in a national paper, maybe someone else can remember fuller details? But how or why did Rebecca/the SJ know which incident to attend?

    4. The article more or less explains the reaction of local media
      – they have a local readership who don’t appreciate the “Novichok” scare ie. don’t wish it hyped continuously in the media
      – they have a working relationship with local police who were out of the picture when anti-terrorism took over
      – they don’t want to embarrass local people

  118. As noted below, Jamie Paine said that Yulia’s eyes: “were wide open, but completely white.”

    That is a significant problem.

    Having eyes wide open is a sign of consciousness. From what I can find, it is a very unlikely symptom of illness or injury. Physical damage to the brain (such as a car crash) might produce the symptom and some people with neurological problems do sometimes sleep with their eyes open – but it is extremely rare. People in a coma invariably have their eyes closed which is why you are said to ‘’wake up’’ from a coma when you finally open your eyes.

    Having ‘completely white’ eyes is similarly not a common symptom. There are some eye problems than can cause temporary ‘white eyes’ (such as nystagmus) but it does not appear to be associated with anything except a normal reaction to closing your eyes. ‘Bell’s phenomenon’ is basically a way of protecting our eyes – as your lids go down, your eyes go up… but Jamie said Yulia’s eyes were wide open, so it can’t be that.

    Taken individually: ‘eyes wide open’ or ‘eyes completely white’, is not a known symptom of an incapacitant or a nerve agent.

    Taken together: ‘eyes wide open’ and ‘eyes completely white’, would seem to be impossible.

    1. Paul, I’d like to share a little bit of personal experience.

      A long time ago I contracted Bell’s Palsy – this is a condition where the motor nerves controlling one’s facial muscles are stopped by some unknown cause (in my case it was probably and inner ear infection which stopped the nerve due to inflamation).

      The effect? All the muscles on the right side of my face were paralysed, all the glands on that side stopped working. A several month long course of steroids eventually led to my recovery, but there was one particular I noticed: I couldn’t close my right eye and I could not make tears so I had to use eye drops to moisten the eye and wear an eye patch.

      The relevance to your comment? Our eyelids are closed by muscular action, paralyse the muscles and you will not be able to close your eyes. So being concious is not a guarantee of your eyes being open, nor is being unconcious a guarantee of them being closed.

      1. Hi Cascadian, That does not sound good – glad to hear you recovered.

        As I mentioned, some people have a condition that prevents them fully closing their eyes when asleep. It is known as ‘nocturnal lagophthalmos’. It is most likely caused by problems with the facial nerves or muscles such that it is difficult to keep the eyes completely closed. Bell’s Palsy is indeed one of the possible causes. Others include: stroke, tumor and various (though thankfully rare) neurological disorders.

        From what I read, however, it is not a symptom of organophosphate poisoning – constricted pupils is what you would expect.

        1. That was partly associated with the point I was trying to make, Paul.

          When you mentioned it, what immediately occurred to me was, if the pupils are constricted (due to muscle contractions), then why aren’t the eyelids also closed (due to muscle constractions)? Since the primary effect of the organosphosphate is to inhibit the chemical scavenging of the chemicals which initiate muscle contraction, then should we not expect to see screwed up faces, eyes closed, jaws clamped together, in addition to all the other clamped up muscles?

          Eyes wide open is the last thing one would expect, whites showing or otherwise.

          1. It seems to have affected Yulia and Sergej Skripal in different ways. Sergej Skripals muscles seem to have contracted so that he was rigid, Yulia’s muscles seem to have lost their function.
            The military nurse tending to Yulia first (and no one seems to have done anything to Sergej Skripal) would suggest that Yulia’s state was worse.

          1. Symmetry is vastly over-rated!

            So it sounds like we agree that Jamie Paine’s evidence is improbable. It is actually quite an important point because he is one of the few who described the scene at the bench after 4:15.

            1. It might just mean that you don’t understand the significance of what he saw.
              Yulia and SergeJ had different symptoms and were affected in different ways.
              My guess would be that Yulia opened a parcel with the poison and Sergej got it by standing/sitting next to her.
              So a small dose means muscle rigidity and a big dose means loss of muscle function.

              1. What?? Did you read that before you posted it??

                Symtom (noun) “An indication of the existence of something, especially of an undesirable situation”.

                So your hoax drug produces rigidity if taken in small quanities but if you take enough of it than everything looks OK again??

                Does this come from a reference you found somewhere in the literature or are you just making it up?

              2. S&Y were affected in a very similar way, except that Sergei was semi-conscious at first:

                “Eyewitness Jamie Paine raised the alarm in the southern English city.

                “It was like her body was dead,” he said, of the woman, who police says was known to Skripal.

                “Her legs were really stiff… you know when animals die, they have rigor mortis. Both her legs came together when people pulled (her), and when she was on the floor her eyes were just completely white. They were wide open but just white and frothing at the mouth. Then the man went stiff: his arms stopped moving, but he’s still looking dead straight.” ”
                https://www.euronews.com/2018/03/06/uk-was-critically-ill-former-russian-spy-poisoned-

                1. Brendan, that describes two different phases in ‘treating’ ‘Yulia’:

                  “…when people pulled (her), and when she was on the floor…”

                  According to Abigail McCourt, when she and her mother found the couple, the female wasn’t breathing. How can someone who isn’t breathing do anything? If someone isn’t breathing, they unconscious: they can’t bring their legs together and they certainly can’t “froth at the mouth”.

                  Also, note that the shopkeeper who had seen them minutes earlier did not mention any ‘mouth frothing’ – several points in the witness accounts are mutually exclusive. What can we trust?

                2. Paul, there are different degrees of unconsciousness. Sergei drifted from being able to mumble and move his arms to being completely stiff. Yulia had so little control over her muscles from the start that she could be described as barely conscious, or even unconscious.

                  1. Brendan, Sergei and Yulia were not on the bench. Some of the witnesses (Meg Edgar, Jamie Paine and probably Destiny Reynolds) appear to be fakes – we must be very careful about what we believe. I do not think it is safe to assume anything they said was true.

    2. Paul wrote : “‘eyes completely white’, is not a known symptom of an incapacitant or a nerve agent.”
      It seems that there is at least one “neurotoxic” [= nerve agent ?] that causes ocular revulsion and rigidity. Sorry to make the same quote twice :
      [QUOTE]
      Introduction
      4-aminopyridine (4-AP) is a drug that enhances interneuronal and neuromuscular synaptic transmission. It can be used as adjunctive treatment for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS). Accidental or intentional overdose results in significant neurotoxicity. [Thus, it is a nerve agent…]

      Case observation

      A 58-year-old woman with secondary progressive MS was treated for more than 3 years by 4-AP (10mg/bid) with an excellent tolerance. She was admitted to the ER with coma and convulsive status epilepticus. Symptoms started at home, a few minutes after the ingestion of one pill of 4-AP, with severe abdominal pain. The pill came from a new box of a pharmacy preparation that was supposed to contain 10mg of 4-AP per pill. Less than one hour after the ingestion, she developed rigidity, ocular revulsion, alteration of consciousness and finally generalized tonic-clonic seizures.
      [/QUOTE]

      It is here :
      https://www.em-consulte.com/article/905830/article/p31-seizures-and-sustained-encephalopathy-followin

      Note that Sergei Skripal had rigidity and that Yulia, according to Jamie Paine, had ocular revulsion…

      1. Your last sentence sort of gets to the point – both symptoms should be in one individual, they are related symptoms not random symptoms. If the person is rigid, then you might also see ‘occular revulsion’ because the brain has gone into overdrive (tonic-clonic seizure).

        A ‘nerve agent’ is something that specifically blocks acetylcholinesterase – there are many neurotoxins/drugs that work on the brain but are not ‘nerve agents’.

  120. As mentioned before, the HMG official fantasy continues to unravel. Maybe only a small number of us will continue to assist with the unravelling, or maybe some real media journalist will actually become truly inquisitive and write an expose.
    More realistically, the Skripal attack will fade from the public’s consciousness, with perhaps only Dawn’s coroner inquiry to be a reminder. (This will be adjourned, ongoing investigation, national security etc.)
    Going back to the unravelling, there seems to be at least three groups of participants.
    I will repeat, my version has the Skripals sprayed with BZ, and this is an incapacitant. This “attack” happened as the Skripals left the Mill Pub and resulted in their collapse minutes later on the bench.

    1) The ones directly involved in the Novichok lie.
    This must be selected members of Porton Down. Porton Down is part of the MOD. SIS and/or PD were involved in the “attack”.
    The Met Counter Terror team must have been involved in continuing with the lie. Events suggest this, the London hotel for example, the refusal to release CCTV, the bizarre decontamination processes, are all Met CT inspired or lead events.

    2) Officials who were caught up in the lie and believed what they were being told. This seems to be a large group of people.
    This group includes the staff at SDH, and PHE.
    First responders, (most of them) and eye witnesses. Chief Nurse of the Army seems too unbelievable a coincidence.
    Our recent Blog entries have been levelled at this group because of the inconsistences in their stories, or their inability to be consistent, or their version of events clash with the latest review of the events.

    3) People who were there, but did not have direct involvement in the lie, but were present for some malarkey, as Boris would say. Russian Agent Team 1 and the still to be identified Russian Agent Team 2.
    4) Rebecca Hudson
    Hopefully Rebecca is still a Blogmire reader.
    Of all of the people involved, Rebecca disappoints me the most. A journalist by title, a local person, and presented with the biggest story ever, Rebecca chose to be a messenger for the HMG false narrative.
    Deleted tweets, changing stories, non-questioning articles, no follow up, makes its own sorry story.
    I suppose the last straw in being the downbeat beat reporter is that Panorama ignored you in their programme too.

    1. Duncan. I would say that what we already know strongly suggests that the Skripals were not poisoned and decoys were sprayed with an incapacitant. This theory fits the known facts better than any other so far. It would also explain the intense police activity in the car park behind the Mill – where at least one Skripal disappeared.

      1. Suppose they only realised it wasn’t Sergei from the 2nd blood test and DNA, maybe OPCW asked for toothbrushes, hairbrushes to compare DNA with. So Sergei in Russia and Yulia in USA.
        I would imagine the US would threaten Russia with “If Sergei blabs, he’ll never see his daughter again.”

    2. Duncan, You describe it as “the Novichok lie”. If you reject Novichok as the weapon, you also reject all of the narrative that has subsequently followed, such as Amesbury. That it was Novichok is absolutely fundamantal to the official narrative – once that fails, the entire narrative falls. Novichok is the head of the snake.

      I am curious, therefore, why you replace that narrative with your own theory (BZ/incapacitant) for which there is absolutely no evidence at all. It seems to me that it is like attaching a pig’s head to the snake’s dead body.

      1. ” If you reject Novichok as the weapon, you also reject all of the narrative that has subsequently followed, such as Amesbury.”

        WHY, Paul ? No Novichok in the first place doesn´t exclude Novichok in the second place.
        There is the odd perfume bottle on Charlie´s desk. But were is the tiniest evidence that this or a similar perfume bottle were used to poison the Skripals ? There is NONE !

        1. Why is Novichok not excluded in the second place? Because the official story is that the Novichok came from the first place… except they can’t quite tell us how. Nevertheless, the two enquiries are officially ‘linked’.

          Regardless of that, countless people were not affected by Novichok in Amesbury who should have been – if it was Novichok. Were Charlie’s knife and fork from the pig roast traced and destroyed? And what about Sam? How did he survive?

          Liane, what are the chances that Salisbury wasn’t Novichok but Amesbury was? Who would be mad enough to do that? [Don’t answer, I know! It begins with an ‘M’]

          1. Paul, as I have voiced before.
            Novichok was needed as the afterthought weapon, in order to swab it in a few places to re-enforce the lie.
            Those of us, (not me) who do not think it was the Skripals on the bench, still have to convince me why substitutes were needed at all.
            To get Sergei and Yulia from A to B would not have needed all this subterfuge.
            Only HMG gained by staging the attack, It helped the Bad Russia campaign and boosted the security budget justification.
            However, GRU Team 1 were there for a reason, and the reason was not sightseeing.

            1. Duncan, You know how sometimes you set out on a path and you do things but when it is all over you realise there was a better way to do it, if only you had started in a different place? I said some time ago that the best way to measure what had happened was to look at the result and work backwards. The result was that Sergei and Yulia have vanished, so that was probably the intention all along.

              I think Sergei was frightened and Pablo arranged for him to vanish. Sergei was also afraid for Yulia so he wanted her safe too. So Pablo’s plan had to wait for Yulia to arrive. The Skripals were supposed to walk down Market Walk and sit on the bench, then the Toxic Dagger exercise would take over and the Skripals would be vanished. A story was planned to implicate Russia by saying they had been attacked – but no real attack of any sort was ever planned. It would all happen under the cover of Toxic Dagger. Sergei would not have agreed if there was any risk to himself or Yulia.

              But Sergei was nobody’s fool and he shopped around for a better deal. He found it. Instead of being sent to somewhere (Australia?) that he would have to live the rest of his life hidden, he got to go home to Russia and Yulia was wanted in the US.

              But the US thought there was still merit in the original plan of doing something to implicate Russia. So now a substitute couple was needed for 2 reasons. It bought time to get Sergei and Yulia away and it allowed the (possibly) II inspired plan to do a ‘dirty trick’ on Russia.

              Somebody (who had no idea what Sergei or Yulia looked like but was looking for a big red bag) was waiting inside SnapFitness – the couple walked by with a red bag and that was the signal for the plan to start. Ten minutes later Freya (set up as a witness) leaves… and the rest you know.

              HMG did not find out until it was too late for them to change the result. Sergei and Yulia vanished and Russia was framed – exactly what was originally intended but not in quite the way it happened.

              Without the substitutes, there would have been nothing to frame Russia for.

            2. Russia gained, too.
              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-12/capital-flight-from-russia-carries-750-billion-price-tag-chart
              “The bleeding appears to have slowed, though it’s unclear if this reflects tighter controls and mounting geopolitical risk, or if the flows have simply been getting harder to track. To rein in capital flight over the long term, the government needs to crack down further on corruption and put an end to what even President Vladimir Putin describes as predatory law enforcement.”
              Anything, that might Russian expats feel unsafe in London …

        2. Another reason is this:

          “It is also the same toxic chemical that was found in the biomedical and environmental samples relating to the poisoning of Mr Sergei Skripal, Ms Yulia Skripal, and Mr Nicholas Bailey on 4 March 2018 in Salisbury.”
          https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/news/2018/09/opcw-issues-report-technical-assistance-requested-united-kingdom

          We know everybody is lying Liane so please let us not make it easier for them by helping them with an alternative story. The perfume bottle was a £4 fake from ‘Mister Smell’.

            1. So you didn’t have a single argument against what I said and tried to attack me instead. That is called “kicking the man not the ball”. Try harder.

    4. For the record, Rebecca has personally informed me that she has never deleted any of the information put out at the time of the attack, nor has she changed any stories. I think if anyone wishes to get further clarity on this, it is probably best to get in touch with her direct.

      Rob

  121. Strange? Done some Police Vehicle Checks [dumped-landfill-alleged?]
    Could be in a Hanger somewhere awaiting disposal I suppose?
    Still Taxed-Insured..Mot’s not due [newish vehicle/s]
    No SORN notifications or Vehicle/s showing Scrapped-Destroyed?

    Why pay Tax-Insurance on vehicle/s that are going for dumping. SORN
    them and get some moneys back surly?

    Are We Being Told Story’s At Great Cost U.K. Tax Payer’s All For A Lie-Hoax?

    1. Very interesting.
      This is probably a criminal offence as it is wasting public money, deliberately.
      (Or the vehicles are on the road somewhere else, but they would be re-plated)
      How did you come to know that they are still insured? Because that is definitely fraudulent action by the vehicle “owner” in not updating location details, as the policy uses post code data to set premiums.

      1. Very Strange This? I got registration’s of vehicle/s being removed from images.
        Bit of a minefield getting information but gov.uk.com can provide information on
        a vehicle/s status.

        Show’s Vehicle/s Tax-Mot status at this time [don’t know how often updated?]
        Needed Google Search for Insurance Details. Vehicle/s check is free but I would
        need to pay for location-owners details and I cant do that sorry.

        All A Bit Fudged?

        All a bit strange

        1. Duncan! Would it be hard rebadging a Police Car [constabulary badges-stickers]
          and move another Constabulary keeping same registration number?

          1. Vehicle/s VIN. Does old registration cease to exist when new registration
            given vehicle/s or does registration get passed another vehicle of similar
            age from DVLA?
            Only did search for a laugh and now wish never started.I could not pay for
            Insurance Location-Owner Details but in theory these vehicle/s are within
            another Constabulary U.K. operating out of site.

        2. Anonymous, could you post the links of the images with the removed registration numbers, please? Do you also have links to the original images which show the registration numbers?

  122. The motif for using “Novichok”?

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2019/03/14/Syria-Chemical-weapons-probe-team-to-start-in-weeks-.html

    “Canada’s delegation to the watchdog tweeted that it “expects Douma case to be referred to OPCW Investigation/Identification Team. Those responsible must be held accountable”. Britain said that it “look(s) forward to further investigation by IIT to identify those responsible”.

    The West pushed through the new blaming powers after a string of chemical incidents in Syria, as well as a nerve agent attack on Russian former double agent Sergei Skripal in the British city of Salisbury in March 2018.

    Russia tried last year to block the budget for the OPCW if it included funding for the investigations team. China and Iran have also opposed the new powers. OPCW chief Arias said the investigations team so far had 400,000 euros of funding but needed a further 1.13 million euros for the rest of 2019.

    He added that the watchdog had discussed the investigations team with Syria during talks in February on destroying Damascus’s chemical weapons stocks, and would now “seek to secure the cooperation of the Syrian Government” for probes.”

  123. This happened in Downing Street after alleged Novichok was discovered :

    March 6, 2018
    8:00 Porton Down identified Novichok

    March 6, 2018
    The MP for Salisbury, John Glen, attempted to reassure alarmed constituents in the normally tranquil cathedral city by tweeting:
    “The National Security Council met today (Tuesday) and the Home Secretary is chairing the Cobra committee tomorrow morning.“
    https://news.sky.com/story/cobra-committee-to-discuss-spy-poisoning-mystery-11279397

    March 7, 2018
    Scotland Yard said detectives were “keeping an open mind as to what happened”, and that the incident had not been declared a terrorist incident – adding that it would not “provide a running commentary” on the investigation.
    But it has forced the Government into calling a meeting of its emergency committee Cobra on Wednesday morning, to be chaired by Home Secretary Amber Rudd.
    https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/16069727.governments-emergency-cobra-committee-to-meet-over-salisbury-russian-spy-mystery/

    The Home Secretary will chair an emergency meeting of the Government’s Cobra committee as the Russian spy poisoning mystery threatens to become a security and diplomatic crisis.
    The Cobra meeting, which will be attended by senior Cabinet ministers, police and intelligence chiefs, comes less than 24 hours after a hastily-arranged meeting of the National Security Council in Downing Street.
    https://news.sky.com/story/cobra-committee-to-discuss-spy-poisoning-mystery-11279397

    Later in the morning, the Government’s Home Secretary Amber Rudd, announced that after a COBRA meeting they had further information on the type of poison used.
    http://davidwalkerfj.blogspot.com/2018/03/former-russian-spy-sergei-skripol-and.html

    And than came the big Downing Street lie :

    March 7, 2018
    Downing Street has said that the Skripal case was not discussed at the regular weekly meeting of Cabinet chaired by Prime Minister Theresa May at Number 10.
    Mrs May’s official spokesman said there were currently no plans for a meeting of the Government’s Cobra emergencies committee to discuss the case.
    “All relevant departments, including Number 10, are being kept informed of developments, as you would expect,” said the spokesman.
    “This is an ongoing investigation being led by police and is an operational matter for them… what is important here is that the police are able to establish the facts, and that is the process that is ongoing.”
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/russian-spy-salisbury-poisoning-latest-as-emergency-cobra-meeting-called-amid-fears-sergei-skripal-a3783376.html

    Downing Street has declined to comment on the case, with Theresa May’s spokesman saying it was still a police matter.
    The cabinet had their usual weekly meeting this morning, but did not discuss events in Salisbury, he said. There had been no meeting called of the government’s Cobra security committee, the spokesman added.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/06/russian-spy-incident-counter-terrorist-police-investigate-live-updates?page=with:block-5a9e6ca4e4b091caf4df7d15#liveblog-navigation

    Would Downing Street´s reaction be as it had been if really the deadliest Russian poison ever had been confirmed ???
    So, at what stage was decided it HAS TO BE NOVICHOK ?

    1. Allow yourself to imaging for a moment that HMG was genuinely surprised when told by PD that a specific type of Novochok had been identified. If that was true, what would you expect HMG to do?

      I suggest that apart from anything else, HMG would formally ask Russia to provide whatever information it might have on how to treat such cases and whether they had an antidote. Russia being “the only place” to make Novichok and presumably in possession of the best data and test results.

      Not only does that put Russia in the spotlight, it also creates an impression the UK has not conducted similar research itself. Isn’t that a win/win for HMG? As a bonus, HMG gets information about how far Russian research might have gone.

      Instead, HMG spurns Russia’s offers of help and refuses to provide a sample for Russia to analyse.

      HMG didn’t do the most obvious thing. Why?

      1. Nor comply with OPCW procedures re investigation etc…they will only stick to agreements when it suits rhem….now where else do we see that…oh yes……

    2. The real question is when did they decide officially to blame Russia and create the diplomatic row.

      The could have called the poison A-234 or Novichok. They chose Novichok.
      I seem to remember that some factions put pressure on Theresa May to act before she came out on March 12. These factions wanted asset freezes.

      1. Calling it novichok would have a populist appeal – unlike calling it A-234. It is a more memorable term also.

  124. Thanks to Peter’s request we now know that PD within13 hours overnight did not just identify Novichok, they identified the type of Novichok.

    On March 6,2018 Alastair Hay said the tests could take a day or several days :

    Quote : Alastair Hay, a professor of environmental toxicology at the University of Leeds, has outlined how Skripal and his daughter will be being treated and tested in intensive care.
    Standard blood tests will be done to assess electrolyte levels and liver and kidney function. Individuals will be receiving intravenous fluids anyway and it is essential to maintain fluid balance.
    As for tests, a variety of fluids will be investigated. Blood, saliva and urine will all be tested. Urine may provide clues for substances excreted more rapidly.
    Signs and symptoms give a clue about possible candidate chemicals or drugs and the hospital’s own laboratory may be able to do some of the testing.
    And finally, there is the government’s chemical defence laboratory at Porton Down which has state-of-the-art equipment to look for trace amounts of substances.
    Individuals cannot provide unlimited amounts of blood for testing so investigations will be guided by the clinical team. Some tests are rapid and some candidates will be looked at quickly. But if the cause is more unusual, body fluids will require significant clean-up preparation before they can be put in an instrument. So this could take a day or several days.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/06/russian-spy-incident-counter-terrorist-police-investigate-live-updates?page=with:block-5a9e6ca4e4b091caf4df7d15#liveblog-navigation

  125. Rob’s spot

    https://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisoning-one-year-on-an-open-letter-to-the-metropolitan-police/#comment-26153

    “7 March 2018
    Paul Cosford, Medical Director and Director of Health Protection at PHE said:

    All known first responders have been contacted through their organisations and encouraged to seek further advice should they experience any symptoms. The sites recently visited by the 2 people affected have all been secured and PHE is reminding local clinicians of the symptoms to look out for.

    Based on current evidence the risk to the wider public is low and it is likely that, had any member of the public been exposed to the substance, they would have presented with symptoms by now. However, anyone who was in the area and is concerned because they feel unwell, should dial 111 or 999 depending on the severity of their symptoms.”

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/public-health-england-statement-regarding-events-in-salisbury

  126. Timeline of Deceit

    4th March: “The Skripals” are poisoned

    6th March: Type of Novichok identified and confirmed by Porton Down

    7th March: Dr Steven Emmett along with Dr Steven Davies (we know him don’t we?) give a talk at the Annual Emergency Medicine Conference

    https://sweat19.wordpress.com/sweat19-programme/

    “Dr Stevan Emmett

    Consultant in Pharmaceutical Medicine at the MOD Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Porton Down) with a principle role in CBRN defence research. He remains clinically active with regular shifts at the RUH Emergency Department.”

    “1330-1415 Dr Stevan Emmett and Dr Stephen Davies
    Organophosphates on our doorstep: the nerve of it”

    7th March: PHE Porton Down say there is Low Risk to the Public

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/public-health-england-statement-regarding-events-in-salisbury

    7th March: Met police issue a statement saying nerve agent was involved and the case is being treated as a murder investigation (statement has been removed from Met site along with Archived copies)

    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2522218/salisbury-spy-believed-to-have-been-poisoned-with-nerve-agent/

    16th March: Dr Stephen Davies writes to the Times to say “No patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury”

    This record stands; no correction, no clarification, no apology, nor retraction

    22nd March: High Court papers reveal Porton Down experts have advised

    “The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent”

    And

    “the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound”

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sshd-v-skripal-and-another-20180322.pdf

    [This for Duncan from High Court Doc (use of existing samples but taking DNA to match old blood sample to patient)

    “The UK requested assistance from the Technical Secretariat to obtain independent, internationally recognised expert identification of the nerve agent used. Their report on that and any other matter they consider appropriate will be of real importance for many reasons including in relation to the on-going criminal process, detecting and deterring any further attacks, allaying false rumour and in supporting the international response.The OPCW have agreed to visit to provide assistance in the week commencing 19 March 2018. This is pursuant to Art VIII 38(e) of the CWC. The TS intends to obtain new blood samples, obtain and test some of the samples already taken and undertake DNA testing to match the new and existing samples.”]

    30th June: Dawn and Charlie taken to the same hospital as the Skripals and Bailey

    [Salisbury Hospital Staff had undergone specialised training in how to spot Nerve Agent poisoning as had other hospitals in the region. This was world wide news]

    4th July: Novichok confirmed in the Amesbury poisoning (9:45pm)

    8th July: Dawn dies

    10th July: Public meeting in Amesbury.

    Basu says “This is a very rare substance banned by the international community”

    Paul Cosford (Director of PHE) says: “If you become ill with this stuff (Novichok) from actually coming into contact with a significant amount of it then its within 6-12 hours, maximum (that symptoms would occur) – 3 hours is the minimum but you have to be in touch with a large dose.”

    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2630419/amesbury-incident-novichok-could-be-active-for-50-years/

    How PHE changed its advice

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/public_advice_on_novichok_wiltsh#outgoing-855230

    1. “7th March: Dr Steven Emmett along with Dr Steven Davies…”

      Paul, this meeting was 2019 !!!
      Does anybody know what was said there ?

      1. I cannot find anything immediately online but I have sent an email to the organisers asking if a transcript can be made available.

    2. Just pointing out that the Annual Emergency Medicine Conference (featuring Dr Stevan Emmett and Dr Stephen Davies) you list on 7 March was in 2019, not 2018.

  127. In the absense of Basu’s response, any plausible theories of Sergei’s disapperance?

    I used to think that he, unlike Yulia, completely refuses to cooperate. But in that case, wouldn’t it be better to show some silent footage of him, to make it all a little less suspicious?

    Another obvious explanaion is that he is dead. But then, why hide it? To avoid repatriation of the body to Russia where it can be analysed? They could cremate him, like poor Dawn.

    1. The obvious answer would be that they want to give a new identity to Sergej Skripal and do not want any recordings of what he looks like or what his voice sounds like.
      They seem to have considered it feasible for Yulia to keep her identity but – for some reason – not after end of July.

      1. This is obviously unconvincing because he could have written to his mother (and the media). He could also alter his voice or use someone to speak for him when phoning her.

        1. Have you ever tried talking to your 90 year old mother altering your voice :-))
          You are lucky if she can hear you never mind altering your voice.

          Yes, isn’t it strange that Victoria does not suggest that Sergej writes a letter to his mother? Why do you think that could be?

          1. Victoria repeatedly told Russian media that she believes Sergei to be dead. Which, by the way, is just another reason for HMG to prove that it is not so, scoring points on the media front.

  128. Rob, it’s been 10+ days since you sent the above to Basu.
    Has anyone from gov/ plod acknowledged or confirmed receipt of your article/ correspondence?
    They can’t claim ignorance of you or your site or your findings.
    This site must be permanently monitored 😉

    All your works (Peter, Lianne, etc etc) has a global audience and it’s getting larger by the day.
    Good effort everybody and take care.

  129. Yesterday was one year since the murder of Nikolai Glushkov, the close associate of the late Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky, who was believed to have been Russia’s most influential businessman in the early 1990s-the early 2000s. A common belief is that he was instrumental in bringing Putin to power in 1999-2000.

    Some time ago I realized that Glushkov’s murder had been likely linked to the Salisbury poisoning, though back in March 2018 the Met and the UK media made it look like a coincidence. Immediately after the murder, which was committed at night of 11-12 March, the UK media trumpeted it, as usual, as another murder of Putin’s critic by Putin’s hitmen. But suddenly the tune changed: newspapers started speculating that the death of Glushkov might have been a same-sex game which had gone wrong. The name and photo of Glushkov’s partner were made public. On 22 March, 10 days after Glushkov’s body had been found in his home by his daughter Natalia Glushkova, the inquest into his death opened and was adjourned in London.

    An excerpt from a Guardian article of 22 March:
    “Terry Waple, the coroner’s court officer, confirmed that a postmortem had concluded the 68-year-old died of “compression to the neck”.
    Furniss said the proceedings would determine who the deceased was, when and where he died, his medical cause of death and the circumstances surrounding it.
    He adjourned the inquest pending further police investigation.”

    Since then, the Glushkov case was almost forgotten. In August, the Met published CCTV footage of a Volkswagen van driving on Glushkov’s street at the night of the murder. (My guess, the Met just wanted to show that they were doing something.) In September, an old story emerged in The Guardian, told by a paramedic. That paramedic said that in 2013 he had treated Glushkov after his alleged poisoning with Champagne by two Russians.

    The Russian embassy’s requests to the UK authorities to share the information about the investigation of the Glushkov case were, as usual, rejected.

    Some new coverage on the Glushkov case emerged only in relation with the one-year anniversary of the murder. Ms Glushkova gave a series of interviews.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/11/nikolai-glushkov-daughter-appeals-witnesses-murder-natalia-glushkova
    ”I’m obviously frustrated that there is no movement in my Dad’s case. I would wish the investigation was further on,” said Ms Glushkova. She said that the murder had been a “targeted hit”: the front door was not damaged, the large ridgeback dog appeared “not to have barked.” It was weird because “the dog was extremely protective of Dad.”
    …Details of his death await an inquest.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6795353/Daughter-murdered-Kremlin-critic-says-death-haunt-forever.html
    No arrests have been made…
    However, detectives have contacted more than 1,800 witnesses and taken almost 400 statements. Officers have also viewed 2,200hrs of CCTV footage and 1,200 exhibits – including forensic samples, as well as physical items – have been collected as part of the investigation.
    …For the last couple of years he made his home in New Malden, South-West London, in a suburban street where the average house price is £698,000.
    Also this:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/11/murder-putin-enemy-made-look-like-trashy-suicide-daughter-says/
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………..
    Isn’t it astonishing that the Met’s powerful Counter-Terror unit, which is in charge of the investigation, still have got no leads about this crime? With all the CCTV footage, witness statements and 1,200 exhibits? Both the Met and Ms Glushkova appealed to new witnesses.

    Now why I believe that the Glushkov case was linked to the Salisbury poisoning.
    First of all, as I wrote here several times, I think that the Salisbury poisoning was a pure false flag operation. According to early reports last March, Skripal’s info on GRU was interesting for some limited period of time; one security officer said it was “somewhat dated”; according to an early statement by an unnamed friend (I think, Cassidy), Skripal’s IT prowess was very poor and he spent his time mainly playing old Russian (in fact, Belarussian) tank war games on his old computer. (To touch upon the popular idea of Skripal’s involvement in the Steele dossier: the dossier is just rubbish; to cook it, Steele did not need any help from the former GRU officer who, in addition, retired in 1999, was jailed in 2004 and expelled in 2010. One fact is sufficient to judge about the “value” of the Steele dossier: According to the dossier, the keeper of FSB’s Trump-compromising files is Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov. I understand that Steele wanted to make the files’ keeper as close to Putin as possible, but a public figure being such a keeper is sheer nonsense. For instance, Peskov’s daughter from a previous marriage has lived in Europe for many years. Right now she is an intern with a French deputy of the European parliament. So, a quiet abduction, blackmail and Peskov is ready to hand over the secret files to Trump or to whoever interested.)

    So, what for did Petrov and Boshirov (I use their passport names, for simplicity) arrive in Salisbury on 3-4 March? My guess is they were lured there by the false flag masterminds.

    I based my theory on someone else’s idea that P&B retired from GRU and worked as private couriers to deliver shady business documents between Russia and business owners living in Europe. The idea was discussed on the Internet. I modified it: I think that P&B and also Fedotov did not retire from GRU (at least until this past September) and were moonlighting. Signs supporting this theory:
    1) In March 2018, P&B&F arrived to the UK for a weekend.
    In October 2014, P&B arrived to Prague on 11th, which was Saturday. Boshirov left the same day; while being that Saturday in Prague, he set up a Facebook account, in order to make friends with a Ukrainian girl he talked with in a local café. Petrov stayed for several days, but he could have taken days-off from his official job in order to wait for a response documents to deliver back to Russia.

    Bellingcat listed Fedotov’s trips to European capitals in the period of 2012-2018. For some reason they deleted that list, but the Ukrainian website reprinted it here:
    https://www.unian.info/world/10446999-bellingcat-identifies-third-suspect-in-skripal-poisoning-as-denis-sergeev.html
    Out of Fedotov’s 19 trips, seven started on Friday or Saturday, which is not typical for official service trips.
    2) Fedotov visited the UK in March 2016, 2017 and 2018, which may suggest a calendar pattern (shady business annual report, avoidance of taxes).
    3) https://www.irozhlas.cz/zpravy-domov/double-agent-sergey-skripal-followed-prague-russians_1810101220_miz
    According to the Czech radio,
    ’Their visit [in Oct 2014] was later a subject of interest not only of Czech intelligence service, but also the National Center for Combatting Organized Crime (NCOZ). Because there is case investigation throughout Europe, nobody wants to comment.”
    The interest of the National Center for Combatting Organized Crime suggests that P&B visits had some connection with illicit dealings.
    Czech intelligence service also knew about their visits, which means that intelligence services of other NATO countries were aware of them, too.

    So, given that these GRU servicemen were moonlighting couriers, it was not hard to lure them to Salisbury on particular days. The false flag masterminds, who belonged to or had connections in intelligence agencies, just needed to place an order with these couriers to deliver a document from Salisbury to Moscow. One problem was that you couldn’t just call P or B or F or their boss (if he is not one of them) and say “hi, I found your phone on the Internet”. The “customer” needed an intermediary, and Glushkov was a perfect person for that role. He had hung out with Russian (and other) oligarchs since the early 1990s. He knew lots of influential people both in Moscow and London. Actually, I came to the idea of this link between the Glushkov case and the Salisbury poisoning when I was thinking over how a document delivery order could have been placed with P&B. And Glushkov was a perfect match as an intermediary!

    To make P&B to come to Salisbury twice was not hard, either. For instance, the fake “customer” said: “You know, we are working on a big project now and not sure when exactly we can meet up – on Saturday or Sunday. Book both days, we will see.” On Friday, when P&B arrived to London, the “customer” asked them to come on Saturday. At the meeting he said: “I’ve just got a phone call from my business partner, he would like to pass with you his documents on a flash drive. Could you come tomorrow again?” The well-paid couriers did not mind – “no problem”. It was an easy job and that’s why they looked so relaxed on CCTV footage of the bridge, were grinning, taking pictures and looking into the coin shop windows. When they arrived to Moscow, they just placed, for instance, two flash drives in a left-luggage office and their work was over.

    1. To add:
      Glushkov’a LinkedIn page listed him as a “private consultant” in financial services since 2011.

      1. Glushkov died the night after Theresa May stated the poison found was
        “It is now clear that Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.
        This is part of a group of nerve agents known as ‘Novichok’.”
        “https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-commons-statement-on-salisbury-incident-12-march-2018”
        So who intended to prove her point
        “Russia’s record of conducting state-sponsored assassinations; and our assessment that Russia views some defectors as legitimate targets for assassinations; the Government has concluded that it is highly likely that Russia was responsible for the act against Sergei and Yulia Skripal.”

        1. From Forbes 1996 (they used to be really good on this, and yes, of course their reporter Paul Klebnikov got killed)
          “Assassination is a tool of business competition. Scores of business leaders and media personalities have been killed. Ivan Kivelidi, a banker and founder of the Russian Business Roundtable, was murdered last year by poison (an obscure nerve toxin) applied to the rim of his coffee cup. Neither this nor any other of Russia’s most famous contract killings has been solved.
          In this violent world Boris Berezovsky looms like a giant shadow. Berezovsky recently claimed that he and six other top businessmen control 50% of the Russian economy. He is certainly one of the country’s first dollar billionaires. His base is Logovaz, Russia’s largest car dealership, but this is only the most visible tip of a golden iceberg.
          …
          Now meet Aeroflot’s deputy director, Nikolai Glushkov. This gentleman has an interesting background. He was convicted in 1982 under Article 89 of the Russian criminal code (theft of state property). Later Glushkov served as head of finance for Avtovaz and was one of the founders of Logovaz. In short, an associate of Berezovsky. Are Glushkov and Berezovsky in cahoots to siphon money from Aeroflot? The parallels with Avtovaz are certainly striking.
          …
          But two years ago the Solntsevo gang began to muscle in on the Chechens’ control of the Moscow auto market. When the Russian gangsters approached Berezovsky about an alliance, he is reported by one police detective to have said: “I already have a roof. Talk to the Chechens.”

          The “conversation” between the Russian and the Chechen gangsters over the Moscow auto market took place outside a Logovaz showroom, near the Kazakhstan Cinema. In the ensuing gun fight, six Chechens and four Russians were killed. ”

          Read it yourself.
          “

            1. It was perhaps more to do with this:

              “Had his trial proceeded he was prepared to testify that Aeroflot was the centerpiece of Russia’s clandestine services.

              The airline, Ms. Litvinenko said her husband told her, was a centerpiece of the Russian spy services, which since Soviet days had used its global network of offices and air routes to provide payroll for its agents around the world, as well as shipping clandestine cargoes. “Aeroflot was the center of it all,” she said—an allegation that Mr. Glushkov also intended to air in court.

              In the mid-1990’s “About 3,500 of [Aeroflot]’s 15,000 employees worked undercover for one of the branches of Russian intelligence services, he said.”
              https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2018/10/10/murdered-russian-oligarch-was-prepared-to-testify-about-aeroflots-role-in-russian-spying/

              Perhaps he had specific intelligence that MI5/6 did not want airing. Putting out stories about shady sexual practises, is a trade mark of theirs. They do it all the time to cover up their deeds with smut and inuendo. I don’t know why they think we don’t notice.

              1. I tried to wrap my brain around that one but could not find any reason in this type of information to bat an eyelid, never mind murder anyone.

        2. “Glushkov died the night after Teresa May stated the poison found was” Novichok from Russia.

          No, anidea. Glushkov died the night BEFORE Mrs May made that statement. Taking no chances?

          Glushkov’s daughter found his body on the night after Mrs May’s speech.

            1. See the Guardian link in my post above.

              “She urged anyone who was in Clarence Avenue on Sunday 11 March or the early hours of Monday 12 March to come forward – the most probable time when Glushkov, who was 68, was killed.”

              Also, he failed to turn up at the court hearings on 12 March.

                1. https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-nerve-agent-scientist-admits-selling-toxin-to-chechen-mobsters-/4313022.html
                  “In a secret trial, Kivelidi’s business partner was convicted of his killing. Prosecutors said he had obtained the poison via intermediaries, from Rink, then an employee at the state chemical research institute known as GosNIIOKhT. Rink admitted he had supplemented his state salary by selling capsules of the nerve agent — amounting to hundreds of lethal doses to various criminals, including Chechen mobsters — but he maintained he had done so a month after Kivelidi’s poisoning.”

    3. „In August, the Met published CCTV footage of a Volkswagen van driving on Glushkov’s street at the night of the murder.“

      Milda, that was simply a misleading. Look at Google streetview of March 2018.
      The black Volkswagen van is parked near the cordon. Obviously it belongs to a neighbor.
      Much noise for nothing !
      https://ibb.co/68YJhm1

      Indeed in Glushkov’s case we have the dog that didn´t bark.
      But nobody mentioned if the dog was killed too or not.
      A dog only stays silent when he knows the person coming.

      1. “A dog only stays silent when he knows the person coming.”

        Yes. Or maybe the dog was incapacitated with a strong but short-term-impact substance.
        It seems that the dog was not killed. Otherwise Natalia would have said that he was killed.

        1. Or when told by the owner. But it is clear that Glushkov opened the door, as there were no signs of a break in.

          The information that a suicide was faked is new.

          1. No signs of a break in may imply that the door was opened by men with good lock-opening skills.

            If Glushkov had told the dog to be silent, it would be hard to believe that the dog stayed silent when two (likely) thugs began strangling his master.

            Given what Ms Glushkova said, the likely scenario would be that the perpetrators entered Glushkov’s house with a false key and their first action was to incapacitate the dog. The obvious way to do that would be to use an injection gun which shoots out syringes with a substance. When leaving, the perpetrators just pulled out the syringe.
            See, for instance, this:
            http://www.fearing.co.uk/cattle/cattle-health/vaccinators-drenchers/masterject-injection-gun

          2. I thought again and now agree that indeed Glushkov opened the door himself. The dog was a big problem for the perpetrators – he could have sniffed them before they entered the house. But when Glushkov let them in, they immediately shot a syringe into the dog.

          3. Wikipedia:

            “Rhodesian Ridgebacks are known to be loyal and intelligent… Rhodesian Ridgebacks are strong-willed and confident dogs. They are protective of their owners and families; if trained well, they can be excellent guard dogs.”

            As Natalia Glushkova said, “the dog was extremely protective of Dad.”

      2. Liane, thank you very much for the info on the Volksvagen van. Indeed, it implies that there is no investigation, but deception.

        Poor Natalia Glushkova.

      3. Liane, the dog was certainly alive when Ms Glushkova entered her father’s house. In her interviews, she said “It looked like a cheap set up of a suicide.” If the perpetrators had killed the dog, it would have been impossible to make the scene look like a scene of a suicide.

        I’m inclined to believe that the dog was incapacitated. Judging from Ms Glushkova’s words, the dog did not bark at all on the night of the murder and the following day (12 March); but a dog does bark when he sees his master dead. I guess that when the dog awakened after the incapacitation, he was yet dizzy for some time. Natalia did not notice that because she was horribly shocked.

        The perpetrators knew that on 12 March Glushkov was to be in court and nobody will come to visit him during that day. They also knew that Natalia would not call her father before the evening, giving him time to come home after court hearings. She called him at 8pm.

      2. So, this is what Morozov’s story is worth of.
        There is no single tiny evidence that Skripal had been active in IT while in GRU, i.e. before his retirement in 1999, and that was the past century. After retirement he worked in administrative office of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. No link to IT. Then, after he was arrested in 2004, he was in jail up to 2010. After he settled in the UK in 2010, it would be beyond believable that MI6 wasted resources to train Skripal in cyber security. Skripal was born in 1951.

        1. Milda, I merely pointed out what had been said, How do you know he did not spend his 6 years of incarceration becoming an expert? Do you know that? How did he spend his days between 2004 and 2010?

          As a colonel in the GRU he clearly was no slouch. I don’t know whether he knew anything about cyber security or not – I don’t rule out the possibility that he might have done, on the basis that he was born in 1951.

        2. Sergei doesn’t need to be an IT specialist to be an expert in cyber security – he has a security background of long standing and may have developed an appreciation of how IT might impact on security matters, and vice versa. His knowledge in conjunction with someone who has opposite and complementary skills could form a formidable team.

    5. If we accept that Glushkov and Berezovsky were linked to the Chechen mafia, we accept that MI6 via Glushkov and Berezovsky has been linked to the Chechen mafia.
      Skripal might not have known much about Russia anymore though he had lots of contacts in the former Soviet space who might have still been telling things to him, but he sure knew a lot about what former MI6 (or present, I guess Pablo Miller still is MI6) guys were up to.
      We are back to where the Spanish prosecutor complains of getting no cooperation from Britain with his Russian mafia investigations (and Spain was in cooperation with the US on this one), and Litvinenko and Skripal supposed to have worked for Spain.

  130. It was a coincidence that at the moment the Skripals collapsed simultaneously, the most senior nursing officer in the British army happened to be passing by, and so was the first adult to give them medical attention. And if you believe that, you’ll believe anything.

    3. Just my thoughts on their decision to withhold the information.

      National Security
      “The initial attack targeted two Russians, one believed to be an intelligence agent”
      This is interesting wording. Why only “believed”? If they’re talking about Sergei, I have never seen any reports that there was any doubt that he was an agent.

      Any why the use of the present tense “believed to be”?
      If it is Sergei we’re talking about, he *was* an agent, not is.
      Or does this subtle wording reveal there is a current agent (either Sergei or someone else)?
      There are reports that Sergei is still an agent (for UK, US, or Russia).

      The subsequent four paragraphs of advice from the ICO are all regarding the concept of protecting and cooperating with allies of the UK. I am struggling to see how the requested ambulence services timings can compromise any UK allies. And I’m curious who the UK ally in particular they had in mind. I wonder if this subtly indicates US involvement, and by revealing the true timings would reveal a deeper plan involving the US.

      Confidential Information
      “The Trust has a duty to safeguard information relating to these two individuals which could be used to cause further harm.”
      I cannot see how the ambulence service timings could be used to cause the patients further harm. Perhaps they mistook the phrase “listing details for each patient” in your request. All you were asking for was for them to identify which patient was in which service, not their full personal details.

      Endangering Health & Safety
      “Information about the Salisbury incident could be used to help plan a future attack”
      This is such a cop out! They could have used this to withhold the whole FoIR!
      Again, I can’t see how ambulence service timings could help plan a future attack.

      “…the potency of an agent gas such as Novichok has the potential to endanger the safety of any individual”
      Interesting they refer to Novichok as a gas. In this attack, it has been reported as a liquid. I’ve not seen any mention of Novichok as a gas in this attack.

        1. Highly likely. Yulia opening a package.

          It is probably unconscious though. People connect nerve agent with gas masks and WWI.

    4. So how many more people do we have to add to the list of those willingly assisting the hoax? These people must know what they are doing.

        1. So you think R&A were highly trained assassins and there was Novichok on the door handle, just like HMG said? And that the table in Zizzis was so badly contaminated it had to be destroyed… and the pets (excluding one cat) died?

          You mean that sort of: “wrong about the hoax”?

    5. I can´t believe it !!!
      You asked for a little information about the ambulances – and the South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust decided to withhold the information because :

      Quote : „The initial attack targeted two Russians, one believed to be an intelligence agent. As such this incident is of diplomatic sensitivity in terms of the relations between the UK and Russia, and indeed matters of terrorism, counter-terrorism, and espionage on an international stage.
      Consequently, we believe that disclosure of information relating to the Salisbury Incident could potentially jeopardise national security and it is in the public interest (‘the public interest test’) that this information is withheld to protect the UK and its citizens.
      Information about the Salisbury incident could be used to help plan a future attack in the UK of this nature and cause harm to other individuals.“

      HELLO – these are the arguments why they can not answer the questions :
      What time was the ambulance service alerted?
      When were ambulances despatched? (each)
      When did they arrive on the scene? (each)
      When did they depart the scene? (listing details for each patient, and those that did not convey patients(s))

      These Brits are crazy ! [Asterix]
      These Brits are brainsick weirdo nutcases ! [Liane] … only Skripal related officials.

  132. Hello Blogmirers, this is mentioned earlier and is part of the MOD FOI response to Peter.

    It might be significant. We don’t know what PTN number is in the context of SDH or PHE.
    BUT Sergei and Yulia did not have consecutive PTN numbers, which may be significant.
    PTN which might simply be shorthand for Patient, were not consecutive numbers for their admission.
    Someone was in between them.
    That someone might not be significant, but it does mean that there was a time gap between Sergie and Yulia’s arrival at SDH.
    Yulia being booked in first.

    1. It could be another sample from the same person

      It could be a sample from a third person

      It could be a sample from Bailey, who became ill far sooner than the Official Narratives say

        1. I had already asked this same question this morning. I also queried the fact that they were not consecutive, and wondered who represented the missing 0011 PTN number, but nobody had replied to me.

          I too suspect that these numbers relate to patient IDs (the P bit) but I can find no references to likely meanings on the internet. They can’t relate to patients admitted to SDH that year, for they are very low numbers – unless their year began in March?

      2. Dodgy Bailey didn’t become ill. He sailed a bit close and threw a
        sickie as cover.

      1. I suppose that’s possible, Anidea, say, odd for one gender, even for the other, but the alleged Skripals were both allocated even numbers (and would have been in private wards anyway). Despite a long search for other relevant examples of PTN in connection with hospitals, the NHS, PHE, etc. I’ve come up with nothing at all, other than its use in America to refer to Patient Transfer Network. Very odd.

  133. Compare and Contrast

    “Sergei and Yulia” found collapsed on a bench, they are initially thought to to have a drugs related condition possibly from fentanyl.

    But then Sergei is discovered to be a spy and with Porton Down on the doorstep it makes sense to send some samples and ask what they think.

    Presumably an enzyme test had already been done which suggested a weaponised nerve agent may be involved or perhaps accidental or deliberate pesticide poisoning.

    Blood samples from the victims are received at Porton Down at 18:45 Mon 5th March 2018, the patients having arrived at hospital just over 25 hrs earlier (evacuated from scene to hospital at around 17:10 on the 4th).

    Novichok was confirmed by 8:00am 6th March – Just under 40 hours from ambulance being called

    And

    Dawn and Charlie become ill within hours of each other on 30th June.

    AC Basu in a statement said that an ambulance was called for Dawn at 10:15 and Charlie at 15:30

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/amesbury-incident-latest-assistant-commissioner-neil-basu-statement-in-full-a8431961.html

    “However, on Monday, 2 July, due to concerns over the symptoms the man and woman were displaying, samples from both patients were sent to Porton Down laboratory for analysis”

    Novichok was confirmed by Basu at approx 21:45 on 4th July

    “Statement from ACSO Neil Basu re: Amesbury … – Metropolitan Police
    news.met.police.uk/news/statement-from-acso-neil-basu-re-amesbury-incident-313215
    4 Jul 2018 – Statement from ACSO Neil Basu at circa 21:45hrs on Wednesday, 4 July: I am here to update you on the major incident in Amesbury ….”

    Salisbury District Hospital had been sensitised to Novichok poisoning in Wiltshire, as had Porton Down, the police, HMG and the rest of the world.

    ……….

    In the Skripal case Novichok was confirmed in just less than 40 hours after the ambulance was called.

    In Dawns case it was over 107 hours after the ambulance was called.

    I wonder what impact that had on the tragic outcome of Dawn’s treatment and chances of recovery.

    1. It might have taken too long till help came in Dawn Sturgess’ case. And she might have got a much larger dose, trying to ‘sniff’ the perfume or whatever she thought she was doing with the applicator. When did Charles Rowley notice that he had to call an ambulance? Reports were that she was fourty minutes without oxygen, this will have decided the outcome.

      1. So taking nearly 3 days longer to diagnose the cause had no influence on the outcome.

        I am not sure Dawn’s parents will take that as any comfort.

        Maybe Charlie would not have had the strokes that he did maybe he wouldn’t have suffered sight loss and maybe he would have recovered better.

        Maybe he would not have been weakened to such a degree that he contracted meningitis.

        If there is no good reason for the delay there should be prosecutions for negligence.

        And I don’t think the lawyers will rely on your ridiculous view that it probably made no difference.

        Utter nonsense.

    2. Peter, well done in getting that information released.

      It raises the question of why it took until 12th March to publicly name the poison as a Novichok (by Theresa May in the HoC, IIRC) when the results were already available on the 6th.

      Maybe they did not want to admit that Porton Down were able to identify it that early because of what that revealed – that they must have already had a reference sample of Novichok A-234 to compare the Salisbury samples to?
      Or maybe the powers-that-be spent that time arguing amongst themselves about what the official story should be?

    3. The contrast with the delay in testing Dawn and Charlie was already mentioned in this forum last month. But your new FoI revelation shows that the difference between the two cases is even greater than previously believed.

      It took three times as long in the Amesbury case before anyone thought “maybe this isn’t drug-related after all?”. It’s as if all the experts had forgotten the other case where a couple of patients became critically ill and where a fentanyl overdose was initially suspected – the world-famous case of the Skripals only a few months earlier.

      As I’ve said before, I don’t know what the explanation for this is, but it’s so unbelievable that it looks like something is being covered up.

      1. Wiltshire Police stated that they suspected that the Amesbury couple (Dawn and Charlie) became ill from using heroin or crack cocaine that had been contaminated (presumably with an extremely powerful synthetic opioid such as fentanyl).
        https://web.archive.org/web/20180704154845/https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/article/2902/Warning-over-contaminated-drugs-after-two-fall-ill-in-Amesbury

        If that was what was initially believed, then didn’t SDH test them straight away for the presence of those substances? Knowing exactly what poisoned them would surely help in deciding the best treatment.

        Those tests should not take very long. It’s hard to believe that it was not possible to rule out drug abuse very quickly, instead of taking days before the attention shifted to nerve agents.

        1. Also, the medics and police must have questioned Sam Hobson, who must have told them that Dawn did not do hard drugs (as he told the media later on 4th July). Sam’s comment was confirmed by Dawn’s autopsy which found no illegal drugs (according to her mother in a recent interview).

          So why was there such certainty for days that both Dawn and Charlie had overdosed on drugs?

  134. No ban on up-skirting from perverts taking pictures.
    Salisbury pictures video banned. How & Why plz?

  135. Well this should be easy enough. Destiny Reynolds – what did she see and what did she say.

    Destiny Reynolds, 20, works at Ganesha Handicrafts, which is the first shop you come to, heading towards The Mill, after you pass “World of Cards” (on the corner). She had been working in the same shop for 3 years. Unusually, Ganesha Handicrafts closes at 5:30 on Sundays.

    This is what the Daily Mail reported:

    ‘I saw quite a lot of commotion – there were two people sat on the bench and there was a security guard there. ‘They put her on the ground in the recovery position, and she was shaking like she was having a seizure. It was a bit manic. There were a lot of people crowded round them. It was raining, people had umbrellas and were putting them over them.’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5470455/How-poisoned-spy-plot-unfolded-Salisbury.html

    This is what The Telegraph reported:

    Destiny Reynolds, 20, who works at Ganesha handicrafts in The Maltings, witnessed the commotion on Sunday afternoon. “I saw them both on the bench,” she said. “They were rigid but then she was having some kind of episode. There was a big crowd around them. It was raining and people were covering them with umbrellas. Then they put the woman on the floor in the recovery position.”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/did-treacherous-past-russian-colonel-finally-catch-salisbury/

    I have also found another interview with Destiny, dated 11 April, 2018:

    “Destiny Reynolds works in a store, located just a stone’s throw away from that bench. That Sunday, she heard some noise from the street, and ran outside to see what was happening. Several people had already gathered around the poisoned victims. One of them even tried to give first aid to Yulia Skripal.

    Destiny Reynolds, a Salisbury sales assistant: “It was raining at the time, and someone was holding umbrellas over the victims. They were waiting for doctors who’d know what to do. Someone tried to give them first aid. They laid the girl on the ground. I don’t remember anyone attending to her father. Out of the two of them, she was in a worse condition. Her hands were shaking above her head, she was mumbling something”.

    Destiny remembers that doctors and the police arrived about 10 minutes later. Still, none of them were wearing special protective gear.

    Destiny Reynolds, a Salisbury sales assistant: “The doctors and the police were all wearing their normal uniforms. I think they didn’t know anything. The security guard who was standing there, said it looked like they had some sort of attack”.”
    https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3006339

    Destiny also appeared on the Panorama programme:
    “The woman, she was fitting quite badly. She just couldn´t control her body. Her father was more rigid.”

    There are many discrepancies in what Destiny Reynolds said, compared with other ‘witnesses’. For example: she is the only one to mention the rain, the umbrellas and the security guard but her description of a ‘commotion’ and the woman ‘fitting’ stands in very stark contrast to young Abigail’s description of nobody paying attention to the bench couple and ‘Yulia’ not breathing.

    There are, however, two very strange things about what Destiny says. The first is the sequence of events, particularly: “Destiny remembers that doctors and the police arrived about 10 minutes later.”

    We are told the area was cordoned by police around 4:15, so 10 minutes earlier was 4:05 – Freya had just left… was there a crowd there, with umbrellas at 4:05? Was ‘someone giving first aid’ there at 4:05?

    From her description of what was going on, I would have thought she was there around 4:15ish, when things got going; so is she saying police and doctors did not arrive until 4:25? That makes no sense at all.

    The second strange thing is her account of what the security guard said: “…it looked like they had some sort of attack.” Really?? In that case The Met should immediately recruit him and put him in charge of the whole investigation! At 4:15ish on Sunday, when we are told there were no obvious signs on the bench couple of any substance; when everyone thought it was a possible drugs overdose, ‘Sherlock’ the security guard had already worked out it was an attack?? The man is a genius!

    It is also odd that she used the word ‘fitting’ on Panorama – the very same word that appears in the WAA incident log, that Destiny had not previously used.

    I am afraid Destiny goes on my pile of fake witnesses, along with Meg Edgar (note: who also appeared on Panorama! Coincidence?). I do not think we can believe a word she said.

    1. Mark, If the bench incident was a hoax, some of the witnesses will be planted. As I said before, we should be careful who we trust…. if there is one discrepancy, it might just be human error but if you have two or more discrepancies, I think you have to assume there is a problem.

      So far, the witnesses I (currently) think we can trust, are: Freya, Olly and Georgia. Those I have very grave doubts about are: Jamie, Meg and Destiny.

      Jamie spoke about ‘Yulia’s’ eyes being completely white, nobody else did. We now know that pinpoint pupils are actually the symptom of a nerve agent, not “white eyes” – the pupil might be tiny but the iris does not change size and ‘vanish’. So what did Jamie really see? Was it “completely white eyes” as he said, or had he been given a bad briefing?

      “White eyes” is not a symptom of organophosphate poisoning, so you would assume nobody else would make the same ‘schoolboy’ error wouldn’t you? So imagine my surprise, when I read this from the BBC’s ‘Health Reporter’:

      “Symptoms include white eyes, as the pupils become constricted, convulsions, drooling and in the worse cases – coma, respiratory failure and death.”
      https://www.bbc.com/news/health-43328976

      Complete garbage! The pupils may become constricted but that gives you ‘pinpoint pupils’ not ‘white eyes’.

      How is that possible? The BBC’s ‘Health Reporter’ clearly needs to go back to school.

      Was Jamie not invited onto Pamnorama because his description was a clear conflict with ‘Brave Bailey’ and his “pinprick pupils”?

      (P.S. I wasn’t actually surprised!)

      1. I totally agree Paul! What ever happened at Bench is a Hoax!
        I need to see CCTV showing otherwise.

      2. Who are Umbrella People-Do They Report Schoolgirl Helping
        With Recovery Position?
        Would you see anything with Umbrella People standing around
        Dummy’s on a bench hiding alleged activity from CCTV?
        Umbrella People then Vanish into Space-Time Void……………..

        Holloway-Collins wander around with hands in pockets with bags
        of Medical Rubbish in rear of Police Car. Plant It Later As It Gets
        Dark….Uh I got a headache but eyes are ok I think?

    2. Dodgy Nicks Great Marathon Fun Run In Aid Of SDH!

      Kiddie Face painting-Best Spaceman costume-WAA pleasure flights
      over Salisbury-Amesbury-Raf Fairford.

      Would be better if Dodgy Nick did his run in aid of Dawn-Family-Charlie.
      I think SDH have had a Big Bung £££s from TPTB-HMG for telling lies.
      Same for Porton Down £40 Million+Boost.

      Dodgy got a guilty conscience as an alleged Officer Of Law [He Lied]

      Do proper think Nick..Tell truth and run for Dawn-Family-Charlie!!!!

    4. Paul said :
      “when we are told there were no obvious signs on the bench couple of any substance; when everyone thought it was a possible drugs overdose, ‘Sherlock’ the security guard had already worked out it was an attack??”
      Perhaps he used the word “attack” in the medical sense ?

        1. Paul said : “2 people getting a simultaneous ‘medical attack’? Please explain.”
          Well, perhaps he thought that a medical attack can be caused by drug overdose. Security guards are not necessarily health experts. He is quoted as saying : “they had some sort of attack.” Would many people say “They had an attack” with the meaning “They were attacked” ?

          1. If you saw someone you thought had o/d surely that is what you would say. ‘Attack’ is how would would describe either a 3rd party event or something over which you have no control, as in ‘heart attack’ or even ‘attack of the giggles’. ‘Attack’ usually provokes sympathy – not what most people would think if they saw a drunk or druggie suffering self-inflicted wounds.

            In this case, I think the word ‘attack’ was used to suggest that the couple had been ‘attacked’ – as in, somebody had done it to them.

  136. Another fine piece of work from Rob, but for this observation: “there was always a glimmer of hope that your organisation would refuse to bow to this politicisation, and instead conduct a truly independent investigation.”

    Sadly any glimmer would have come from dying embers. The Met’s involvement in this affair was the kiss of death as far as investigational integrity is concerned. They are most certainly not independent as an executive aspect of the state but under political influence and control, as their actions in connection with the McCann case have long since demonstrated.

  139. Read this VERY STRANGE article :
    The Trump Dossier and the Poisoning of Sergei Skripal
    By Gary Gindler
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/the_trump_dossier_and_the_poisoning_of_sergei_skripal.html

    Some information is obviously based on Urban´s book :
    „However, Skripal was never an opponent of the Kremlin. On the contrary, he strongly supported the policies of President Putin,…“

    But the conclusions are adventurous.
    Is this the desperate attempt of certain circles from the US to save what can be saved ?
    Do they want to distance themselves from Steele and argue that he was tricked by the GRU ?
    The author admits that the dossier mostly is fake news.
    And under this assumption he constructs the GRU murder motive for Skripal :

    „Oddly enough, Skripal’s poisoning was triggered not by the actions of the Trump administration, but by the indictment put forward by Mueller’s team against 13 Russians from the “troll factory” on February 16, 2018. Under no circumstances would Moscow have allowed the GRU to be called a true source of the “Russian dossier” on Trump.“

    See the magic ? „Steele dossier“ metamorphosis to “Russian dossier”.
    The truth is „Western intelligence dossier“ !

    I firmly see Urban wispering in Gary Gindler´s ears :
    „The Kremlin considered the nonexistent Steele-Miller-Skripal link as a convenient and timely combination of circumstances, an opportunity that it could not pass up. Putin’s regime had to prove that it was not Russian intelligence services who composed the “Russian dossier.” The Kremlin needed to send the investigation on the wrong track — ostensibly, this Skripal was the very “source close to the Kremlin” of Christopher Steele. Moreover, supposedly, this is precisely why the buyers [Freudian slip?] of the “Russian dossier” decided to eliminate Skripal. In other words, the Skripal poisoning was a cover-up operation of the Kremlin, the purpose of which was to send the “ObamaGate” investigation in a false direction.“

    What Gary Gindler writes then is just laughable (and already proven wrong). Read it.

    1. A flagrant propaganda piece published in the ‘American Thinker’ by ‘Gary Gindler PhD’. I have become suspicious of all people who routinely place letters after their names (or ‘Dr’ before them), a very common habit in the USA, even among religious preachers. It doesn’t impress me, and smacks of intellectual insecurity masquerading as authority, not to mention crude snobbery. Degrees and doctorates are pretty meaningless when it comes to expertise and wisdom – for political, religious and ideological biases always seem to prevail against any genuine concern for the truth.

      As for the ‘American Thinker’ such pieces speak volumes for the unbiassed and independent quality of ‘American thinking’, and the gullibility of their readers.

  140. Terrorist Attacks-Lee Rigby [RIP] CCTV shown on all News Stations.
    Public Images-Video uploaded for viewing.
    Salisbury Images-Footage…NIL Point..[Fact Or Fiction?]

    1. So samples arrived at PD at 18:45 on 5 March and test results were available by 8:00am on 6 March (including confirmation of the type of Novichok!)

      Surely they could only do this if they already had a sample of the specific Novichok. So I wonder why it is described as “Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent? They knew exactly what it was!

      1. Must be a post code lottery when it comes to lab work and Novichok determination.

        Overnight in Salisbury, a couple of days in other parts of the county.

        1. Not quite other parts of the country, both in Salisbury District Hospital.

          The differentiator seems to be class.

        2. We do not know exactly when the samples were taken but it is a minimum of 5 hours and possibly 24 hours (or more) after the Skripals closed their front door. The amount of Novichok (as compared to breakdown products) will have been reducing for the entire time. The concentration of Novichok will have been in ppb!

          Yet within 13 hours PD did not just identify Novichok, they identified the type of Novichok.

          Incredible work – even if they knew what they were looking for!

          1. And let us not forget that whatever type of Novichok it was, it was not on the OPCW database – it has only now been added.

        1. 2 July, due to concerns over the symptoms the man and woman were displaying, samples from both patients were sent to Porton Down laboratory for analysis.

          This evening [4 July] we have received test results from Porton Down that show the two people have been exposed to the nerve agent Novichok.

          So 13 hours to identify it in March and 2 days to identify it in July….

          Are you thinking what I am thinking?

          1. ‘Are you thinking what I am thinking?’……..

            Only if what you’re thinking is that Dawn and Charlie were just unlucky enough to take some dodgy opioids that weekend and OD.
            My opinion is they were just roped into this storyline.
            Some anonymous ‘civil servant’ saw a gap in the market for a good
            deflection/ deception/ side show to confuse and deceive.
            Charlie and Dawn were very convenient to the ‘official narrative’ at that time…. and created ammunition for more Russia-bashing.
            This whole int op has been ridiculous from the start.
            I’m amazed there are still folk that argue the ‘official narrative’ with absolutely no evidence, proof or facts to actually support HMG’s claims.

            RIP Dawn

            1. In the Panorama farce someone said something along the lines of “The World Cup was going on and the rest of the world seemed to have forgotten the Salisbury poisoning, then another one occurs.” What Britain was expecting was that the “rest of the world” would show solidarity with Britain and avoid the World Cup. Bit of a miscalculation over Britain’s importance in the world.

    3. First thanks so much for sharing this, Peter !!!
      I want to add to the remarks this one :
      Quote : 11. The following information, extracted from the witness statement of a Porton Down Scientist, which is not publicly available, contains additional detail about the samples and their collection:
      “Clotted blood samples … were collected from Yulia SKRIPAL (PTN/18/0010) and Sergei SKRIPAL (PTN/18/0012) following their admission into Salisbury District Hospital on the 4th March 2018.” (End quote)

      Clotted blood samples ???
      What does this mean ?

      1. If the lab thought/knew that a serum sample was best for their chemistry tests then the blood tube would contain a clot activator.
        This not unusual.
        Sometimes plasma or whole blood is desired, so if plasma was needed then an anticoagulant would be in the collection tube.
        PD would know that a serum sample is best used for nerve agent determination.
        As they are the CW experts after all.

      2. Does anyone know what those PTN numbers represent? Who allocated them? PD? SDH? OPCW?

        18 is presumably the year, and 010 and 012 are serial numbers of some kind. If so, then it’s odd that they’re not consecutive. Who was 011?

    4. New request for Bailey, Peter ?
      And the additional question if the OPCW took their own samples.

    5. God i hate Legalese.
      Those FOIRs were interesting though, good effort all round on your part.
      ‘PART3- When samples were collected..’

      ’12. Our searches have failed to locate ANY information on the exact time on when the samples were taken?’

      How could this possibly be the case?

      1. You would have thought the obvious place to look for blood test data would be held in the medical records/nursing notes etc.

    6. Congratulations, Peter, you are beginning to get real answers.

      So they analyzed the poison from blood not from the environment.
      And they had results on the morning of March 6.

      On March 8 there were the following statements
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/russian-spy-poison-sergei-skripal-wife-murder-son-mp-tom-tugendhat-nerve-agent-kremlin-a8246381.html

      “The wife and son of stricken Russian double agent Sergei Skripal were murdered, a senior Conservative MP has alleged.
      Tom Tugendhat, the chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said all the evidence pointed to the nerve-agent attack on the former spy having been ordered by the Kremlin.
      And he added: “It looks likely that his wife was murdered a year or so ago. His son was also murdered in 2017.”
      “We are beginning to see, not only a very strong pattern, but a very strong centre to that pattern – and that centre appears very strongly to be the Kremlin,” he said, in a podcast for The Spectator magazine.
      The Russian President was determined to “make sure that those who betray him know there is a cost to betrayal”, the MP suggested.”

      and

      “Ms Rudd said the nerve agent used was “very rare” but declined to name the precise chemical and emphasised that the risk to the public was low.

      plus this from Mr Tugendhat

      “On Boris Johnson’s threat to prevent dignitaries attending this summer’s football World Cup in Russia, he said: “I don’t think that is the extent of our capabilities.”
      If Britain “really wanted to hit” Russia, it would freeze the assets of “people who are coming here with suitcases of cash to pay for everything from town houses to Eton”, Mr Tugendhat added.”

      1. By the way why was an “Amesbury business park” cordoned off in March 2018? Immediately after the incident.
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43326734
        “Part of a business park in nearby Amesbury also remains cordoned off, while the graves of Mr Skripal’s wife and son at a Salisbury cemetery have also been taped off by police.”

        1. anidea, it was the ambulance base at Solstice Park in Amesbury.
          We have already commented on this. .

    7. Very useful.

      “A timeline of events within an internal briefing document indicates that the police were called to the incident at approximately 16:15 on 4 March 2018”

      Just thinking out loud, here…
      I wonder if the person that placed the 999 call requested police, or if the 999 operator did?
      Is it standard procedure for police to attend if ambulence is called for 999 “overdose” calls?

      It sure would be fascinating to hear that 999 call. Are 999 calls subject to FoIRs?

    8. My understanding is that there were two sets of blood samples taken: the 1st, on 4 March 2018 and analysed by Porton Down; the 2nd on 22/23 March 2018 by OPCW.

      The MoDs reply (points 10 & 11) only seems to give info on the origins of samples for the 1st set of samples taken, not the 2nd taken by OPCW.

      Were you expecting this info in the FoIR?

    9. Hi Peter,

      I’ve only just had time to read through the response you received from the Ministry of Defence FoIR. Amazing. Well done for pursuing these things.

      Several commentators, including yourself, have noted the difference between the time taken to identify the substance in the Salisbury and Amesbury cases, and that the speed in which they identified it in the first case indicates that they had samples of the stuff at PD.

      There are two more elements that I think are important. They say in their reply that, “The timeline of events slide records the confirmation of the type of Novichok at 08:00 on 6th March 2018.”

      1. What do they mean confirmation of the type of Novichok. To my knowledge they’ve never confirmed the type of Novichok and the only public statement on this came from the Russian Ambassador, who claimed Boris Johnson told him it was A-234. But there has been no official confirmation of this.

      2. Far more important, and in my view worth pursuing further is this. Public Health England issued the following statement on 7th March — the day after “the confirmation of the type of Novichok at 08:00 on 6th March 2018.”

      “7 March 2018
      Paul Cosford, Medical Director and Director of Health Protection at PHE said:

      All known first responders have been contacted through their organisations and encouraged to seek further advice should they experience any symptoms. The sites recently visited by the 2 people affected have all been secured and PHE is reminding local clinicians of the symptoms to look out for.

      Based on current evidence the risk to the wider public is low and it is likely that, had any member of the public been exposed to the substance, they would have presented with symptoms by now. However, anyone who was in the area and is concerned because they feel unwell, should dial 111 or 999 depending on the severity of their symptoms.”

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/public-health-england-statement-regarding-events-in-salisbury

      They then issued a further statement on 13th March, which included the infamous baby wipes advice.

      So here is the timeline.

      08:00 on 6th March it is known that two people (possibly three with Mr Bailey) had been contaminated with “Novichok”(A-234), thought — according to all the scientific literature prior to that — to be 5-8 times (some said 10x) more toxic than VX.

      7th March, PHE issues a statement which does not even begin to underline the seriousness of this apparent finding. What about the car parking meter, which they touched? What about the Market Walk, which they walked through? What about the area near the Avon Playground?

      In other words, according to the MoD response, by 8am on 6th March the authorities apparently knew they were dealing with the world’s deadliest nerve agent, yet the following day the authorities issued a statement essentially saying don’t worry about it.

      Out of their own mouths they are condemned. If the MoD statement is taken at face value, they knowingly put public health at risk by not drawing attention to the true nature of “Novichok” and by not locking down every place known to have been visited by the Skripals.

      I believe PHE have their site on the grounds of PD.

      Best wishes,

      Rob

  142. Within Seconds Of A Disaster! Images of Vintage Hawker Hunter Crash On A27.
    Very sad loss for people involved. R.I.P.

    Unfolding Disaster Captured via Mobile Devices.
    No Footage-Images Of Couple Alleged Bench-Poisoning.
    Aircraft Crashes On Busy Road..Footage-Images!

    We talking Seconds for Capturing Footage-Images..Fact!

    Sunday Early Closing Was Chosen Because No Public.

    Would Have More Pictures-Video Footage Of Hoax Unfolding
    If Hoax Done A Normal Day-Shopping Monday-Saturday.

    Seconds give TPTB-HMG a chance for a Fudge

    1. I’m sure they’re just withholding all CCTV footage (of the Skripals out and about in Salisbury that day) for a completely plausible reason and we should all just trust bigguv as they don’t lie.
      …And if you question the ‘legend’ in any way you must be a Russian troll working directly for Vlad.
      (Sarcasm)

  143. Think I will run all License Plates of dumped Police Cars on gov.co.uk
    See if still taxed insured being used other Forces?

    1. Don’t forget “the cars” DS Bailey “lost” – I’m assuming it’s two.

      Are you the same as Anon-101? If so, would you know anything about CCTV? MI6 appear to knock out the CCTV equipment when their henchmen are on an assassination job, is that why there is no CCTV footage of the Skripals?

  144. Dear Blognirers, I have received a reply from Karen Gardner at BBC Wiltshire:

    Thanks for your email – I’m sorry to have taken so long to have responded.
    You are not the only person to have contacted me on this issue.
    We need to work out what our next step is, so I can’t yet reply to you in any detail.
    But I agree that some of the events of March 2018 appear to need looking at more closely.

    I will be in touch when I have more to say – but again thanks for getting in touch.

  145. Well this is interesting but disappointing.
    I wondered how have the UK managed to dodge consular access to Yulia all this time? I thought the idea that the Skripals were no longer in UK jurisdiction a good possibility. Say if they were in a US air base.
    However on reading the UK legislation “Consular Relations Act 1968” which puts into law the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations 1963.
    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/18

    Article 36 and 37 have never been put into UK law! However on further reading it looks like there is a bilateral agreement between the USSR (and therefore the Russian Federation) in notifying the consular officer as Article 36. Maybe it comes down to the meaning of the word “detention”? I guess a lawyer is required to determine exactly what is and is not required by UK law and UK/Russian agreements.

    2. Mighty Drunken, I agree – it comes down to the meaning of the word “detention”.
      I´ve already mentioned it in another thread :
      The UK will argue that the Skripals are NOT in detention but in willfully hiding. Nobody can prove to the contrary.
      But the Skripal MUST have a lawyer. Who is it ?

  146. How can we be sure that Charlie went off to hospital? Because his neighbour shot video of him being put into an ambulance by unprotected medics and the video was on the BBC.

    How can we be sure the AA was in Sainsbury’s car park? Because there are pictures of it there.

    How can we be sure the ‘bench incident’ was a hoax? Because there are no pictures until after it was all over.

    If anyone can think of any other major incident at all, where a simple internet search will reveal NO pictures, would they please note it below so we can all check.

    All the goons needed was one person on the roof of Sainsbury’s taking pictures of the scene… they don’t have it!

    1. Agree Paul! I found some Images of Shoram Airshow Crash of
      Hawker Hunter Jet seconds before it crashed onto road.
      I don’t know if faked but Images have been taken from a car on
      A27 seconds before crash if true? Very disturbing!

      Humans take pictures-a fact of life.

        1. On evening of 5 March anyone with a photo could have sold it for big bucks!

          They don’t exist. Public wasn’t there.

          1. Thank you for coming forward, sir/madam, and for bringing us your photos. If you’ll just sit over there, someone will be along soon to take your witness statement. Cup of tea? I have to informally remind you that, for as long as this fast-running investigation takes, your images and your statement are vital evidence in this extremely important investigation and later they may be used when the case goes to trial. So you must not speak of any of this to anyone, it’s a national security matter (taps side of nose).

            Here’s your tea, and a couple of bisuits too. When you sign your witness statement, that’ll be your legal commitment to keep your information confidential and failure to do so will mean no more free tea and biscuits for you …

            1. Very amusing! Point is, they would never have rounded them all up in time. After 6pm on Monday, when the BBC said it was a Russian Spy, anyone who had been there would have realised what they had seen and be posting their pics… but nobody did.

              1. When you put it that way, it’s almost surprising that at least some images weren’t immediately uploaded onto social media.

                Maybe they were, and later removed. Part of the process, of identifying all calls and witnesses, or not-witnesses, might have included monitoring social media sites; and liaising with SJ and Spire, to keep tabs on what had been offered to them.

                Who, of the any (sic) who were around at the time, would have thought to create a back-up before voluntarily handing over their images. Indeed, why bother, when it only appeared to be something like an overdose emergency at the time?

                1. Ooh lookee, what was 704 has just gone down to

                  703 thoughts on “The Salisbury Poisoning One Year On: An Open Letter to the Metropolitan Police”

                  How erm refreshing …

                  1. That is odd Eleanor – Peter has posted since your comment (5:51 above) and I am currently seeing 705 as the total.

                    Anyway, to your point, if the public had been there, pictures would surely exist. It would be impossible to monitor every possible place people might has posted images, it would take weeks to round them all up… and the internet NEVER forgets, pictures would still exist somewhere.

                    Even in very serious cases, plod is never 100% – remember James Bulger? Even though they tried to take down images of Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, they never managed. Given the ludicrous circus they arranged for Salisbury, I would not believe that they have the capability of removing all the pictures from The Maltings… the pictures never existed is the only explanation.

      1. From:

        https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/steele_and_skripal_a_unified_theory.html

        “In this account, MI6, at the least, found out about this plan and incapacitated the Skripals with something other than Novichok and has kept them incommunicado. A rougher version would be that MI6 actually tried to kill the Skripals with the perfume bottle, and when that went astray, the agency fell back on a less lethal alternative.”

        I’ve got it. The perfume bottle was in the Air Ambulance but it fell out and landed in the bin.

  148. This is a bit weird.

    Doing more research to check facts and make evidence more easily consumable. V complicated at the moment.

    Looks like 2 helicopters were used.

    1st real G-WLTS

    2nd, one transmitting G-WLTS ID to Flight Trackers and a handover performed (or possibly 2)

    So Real G-WLTS flying unseen, the fake took off at Lyneham 4.00pm transmitting G-WLTS ID.
    Real G-WLTS lands at Main car park Salisbury, the handover(s) occurred over London Rd / Cemetery. Fake G-WLTS flies off unseen.

    Whatever the plan was it went very wrong

    Evidence

    Plane Finder Tracker (original and modified)

    The Modified Plane Finder Track.

    Flight Data Tracker

    Neither track recorded aircraft as being at Car Park Location but well correlated tracks before Salisbury, only one track shows an aircraft going to SDH but from the wrong direction, the other track way off SDH.

    Reports of Helicopters heard (plural)

    False reports of Yulia taken to SDH Landing point far away from incident (nearer landing sites available) (Guild Hall / Market Square & Truck Loading park behind Tesco)

    The strange response of WAA, times / speeds / route. No need for its presence – Salisbury Ambulances on hand, it was thought to be a drugs related incident. The flight was not aborted when it became clear that local resources were coping with the situation.

    The aircraft going to SDH without a patient

    The pilot.

    The paramedic(s) that left the aircraft but did not return to it.

    3 photographers waiting in the right place (a long way from the bench) before the AA arrives. How did they know it was coming, how did they know where it would land, why no interest by the photographers in the incident the AA was responding to.

    WAA incident log shows a Rapid Response Vehicle (car) was dispatched to the scene (from 25 miles away) Salisbury Ambulance station just a couple of miles away.

    The WAA Incident log does not show the AA as being dispatched.

    The WAA are alerted at 4:19, just 4 minutes after the call from a concerned member of the public at the bench to the emergency services.

    The AA was not at its base and took 11 minutes to scramble, it can to that in 2 minutes. It took over 30 minutes to travel a distance it could do in 12. It went in the completely wrong direction for 15km and had to correct its course by 90 deg to fly slowly to Salisbury.

    The Company that holds the Operators Certificate going into Voluntary Liquidation without notice leaving WAA without an aircraft. G-WLTS had to be grounded.

    G-WLTS Flight Recorder taken for analysis after being grounded.

    The hard evidence is held on secure servers and private computers on several continents and will be presented here when in a digestible form.

    I have no idea why this was going on, I just have the evidence suggesting that it did.

    1. Peter, Incredible work! Fantastic!

      If G-WLTS was scheduled to be part of the Toxic Dagger finale, it might explain why it was in the car park and it also might partly explain what other helicopters were doing that day too. But a second G-WLTS!!! As Abigail might say.. like, wow!

    2. Hi Peter, It seems the pilot can alter the plane’s (helicopter’s) transponder ID through the front panel on quite a few transponder brands. It is usually set using a laptop by the avionics installation company at the time of installation of the transponder and is usually the tail number of the aircraft.

      But many transponder brands allow the pilot to change it, if he needs to, for various operational reasons. Some transponder manufacturers require the option to be able to
      change the ID to be set at the time of installation otherwise you cant do it through the transponder front panel controls.

      Here is a list of how to change the transponder ADS-B ID on the most popular brands. I wonder if another helicopter did impersonate G-WLTS that day?

      https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/october/pilot/adsb-changing-flight-id

      Also it might be as simple as this, different MI56 people could have edited the incriminating data in the two flight tracking companies databases. Doing it in different ways because they hadn’t talked to each other?

      1. British aircraft used in covert operations are able to change their transponder ID’s at will when instructed to do so. In the same way, MI5’s watcher service make use of a large database of ‘reserved special purpose’ car registration numbers. They have an extensive ever-changing vehicle pool held at their underground garage. Registration numbers are changed daily. Individual vehicles being used in operations away from London, have their numbers changed locally when necessary.

    3. Wiltshire Air Ambulance (WAA) can reach “Anywhere in Wiltshire within 11 minutes” (from their website)

      https://www.wiltshireairambulance.co.uk/about-us

      (the WAA base has moved from it Devizes Police HQ base to Melksham since 04/03/18, but the same was true then)

      1 min: Call Taken, checking aerial warnings that will effect flight route

      1 min: Prep Helicopter, walk to prepare to start up of aircraft

      1 min: Take Off, Start aircraft – Set instruments – Perform start up procedure – Pre take off checks

      7 mins(up to): Fly Time, NE Swindon &SE Salisbury 7mins, W Bath 5mins, E Marlborough 6mins

      1 min: Landing, orbit landing site, identify landing site, pre landing checks, land aircraft

      11 mins Total

      G-WLTS Tracks 4th March 2018

      Plane Finder Track

      https://planefinder.net/flight/HELIME22/time/2018-03-04T16:00:00.000Z/speed/1

      https://ibb.co/nbcnre

      Flight Data track

      https://flight-data.adsbexchange.com/map?icao=406CBC&date=2018-03-04

      https://ibb.co/exC94z

      Plane Finder and Flight Data Tracks Superimposed

      https://ibb.co/k2ETxK

      Superimposed tracks of Zoomed Salisbury (Blue Plane Finder & Orange Flight Data)

      https://ibb.co/in3WmV

      Apparent Route: (approx times and distance)

      4:00pm: Aircraft comes on track at RAF Lyneham flying north
      (10.5km)
      4:05: Arrives Distillery Farm, Minety
      4:19: WAA alerted to Salisbury Incident
      4:30: Aircraft Takes Off from Minety, flying South West to Flying Monk Brewery, Hullavington
      (15km)
      4:35: At Hullavington aircraft turns 90 deg (South East) towards Salisbury
      (60km)
      4:55: Arrives Main Car Park Salisbury
      5:10: Takes Off from Car park
      (3km)
      5:20: Arrives Salisbury District Hospital
      5:50: Takes Off from Hospital and flies back to base
      (37km)
      6:00: Lands Police HQ Devizes (WAA Base)

      1. Hello Peter! Information provided very interesting,Thank You!
        I can not remember detail-Aircraft Reg but another Helicopter
        was mentioned in past.
        Would-Could this be second Aircraft or do We have three [x3]
        Helicopter flying?
        Witness did say Helicopters not Helicopter one [x1]

      2. Hello Peter! I cant remember details but another Helicopter was mentioned some
        time back. Cant remember Aircraft Reg sorry.
        Could this be Second Aircraft or do We have Three [3] Helicopter?

        Witness did state multiple rather than single.
        Good Intel Peter-Good Find.

  149. A different kind of Hoax

    In recent days, many of the posts especially the ones from Paul have suggested that the events on the park bench were all a hoax. Some sort of theatre with actors, mannikins etc, designed to create a scene.
    For this to be true, then a lot of ancillary actors would have to be participating.
    I do not think the park bench events were a hoax in the sense that no harm was done and that all the witnesses are either lying or being paid to act, or both.
    My scenario probably has many flaws, and I await your criticism and critique.
    GRU Activity
    There were two teams. One we know about, the other we don’t. UK SIS know the details of both teams.
    Alex and Rus were there as a noticeable diversion. They might have had roles to play if the mission had panned out differently, but there first task was to be seen in Salisbury. I will call them GRU Team 1.
    Prior to March, the UK MI5/6 in conjunction with Porton Down thought they had a chemical ace. Novichok A-234 it was, and it was made in Porton Down. It was thought to be useful because any deployment could be blamed on Russia, as the story could be told that it was only made in the old USSR and was so deadly that the Western powers would never contemplate using the stuff, or even thinking about making it.
    So Porton Down made some and had it in reserve for quite a while.
    Meanwhile, back in Salisbury, Sergei was proving to be a nuisance. I am unclear just how many people or groups saw Sergei as a threat. By all accounts he was back in the game, and there might be a series of factions wanting him stopped or dead, or removed. (Oligarchs, Russian Mafia, Spanish Russian Mafia, GRU Old Boys, MI5/6, CIA working for/against Hillary, or for/against Trump.)
    What of Porton Down you ask? Well the effects of nerve agents were well known to this facility, they had been testing these types of compounds for many years, (all in the grounds of safety and protection of course) and the symptoms induced by Novichok A-234 were very similar to all the acetylcholine esterase inhibitors.

    It is my belief that when GRU Team 2 were spotted, either having completed their mission, or about to complete their mission, the UK SIS activated “Code Novichok”.
    This plan was to use a safer incapacitant, BZ, sprayed on to Sergei and Yulia, to render them unconscious at the park bench.
    They would then be taken to SDH, where PD would advise the clinicians on proper treatment.
    The main part of the treatment being to induce a coma, which allowed PD and HMG to spin the story.
    For this scenario to be true, several people in the public eye need to be involved and aware.
    Gary Aitkenhead of PD who later faltered in admitting that the source of the Novichok could not be identified. He got too friendly with his mate BoJo who when interviewed told the world that “of course we have a sample” when referring to the nerve agent in the early days.

    MI5/6 of course are the real perpetrators of the scam, but the scam, I believe did have a nerve agent attack, and it was on the Skripals.
    SDH, PHE and Wiltshire Police were all hapless and clueless as to what was going on.
    PD and the Met Counter Terror Team ran the post attack charade, as the behest of HNG, keeping the Bad Russia narrative going,

    I will happily take criticism and answer my fellow Blogmirer’s questions.

    1. Duncan, many people had Novichok. Some made, it like iran and Czech Republic, while others, like the US, had access to the old plant in Uzbekistan, when they were cleaning it up, and could have taken almost unlimited quantities back to the US (as well as having access to all the old research literature). Why would PD think they had something special and for all the reasons we have stated previously, the idea that “it only can be Russian” was a flawed idea when HMG tried it.

      If it was an incapacitant, why did HMG lie? Why did OPCW agree to lie? It would have been bad enough anyway and would have had the merit of being true. Why has HMG given no proof of anything to its international partners?

      My main concern about your idea, however, is that it is completely evidence free. None of what you say is supported by the ‘facts’ – it is as I said below ‘a better hoax’ theory… but it is still a hoax. It also requires (just as an example) SDH to agree to harm people by putting them in a completely unnecessary coma!

      You started by referring to my posts involving actors etc.. I actually do not think that is outlandish. Let us assume that Toxic Dagger had a live action role play starting at 4:15 (after the shops had closed) ‘Chemical attack in an English city’ – all the mannequins etc were going to be used for that. All they did was add a ‘bench attack’ onto the start of the pre-planned exercise. How many extra people did they need to complete the ‘bench hoax’? Just a handful of ‘witnesses’ who would tell the story to the MSM. As I have said below, I think it is very possible that Jamie and Meg are acting – that might be all they needed. We need to go over what the other witnesses said. Anyone who describes ‘Yulia’ on the bench saw the ‘bench hoax’ before 4:15. Anyone who describes ‘Yulia’ on ground is a possible candidate as another ‘crisis actor’.

      Where is the evidence that any sort of chemical attack took place?

      1. I’ll start it with Olly Field. The Standard reported this:

        “Mr Field said: “I walked past them and saw them on the bench. I thought they were strung out on heroin. They were whacked out. The girl had blonde hair and was stroking the older man’s arm, like she was stroking a cat.

        “They were both sat there staring into space. It looked like they were hallucinating. There was no one going to help them, everyone thought they were chilling out. They were out of it. I didn’t think twice really, he looked too old to be with her.””
        https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/russian-spy-sergei-skripal-and-daughter-poisoned-by-very-rare-toxic-substance-a3783861.html

        So I say, Olly Field saw the ‘bench hoax’ between 4:05 and 4:15. Nobody was on the ground, nobody was vomitting. Nothing he describes could not have been done by the CCTV couple sitting on the bench simply acting.

        1. Georgia Pridham, 25, also saw the couple slumped on the bench. She said: ‘He was quite smartly dressed. He had his palms up to the sky as if he was shrugging and was staring at the building in front of him. He had a woman sat next to him on the bench who was slumped on his shoulder.’

          She added: ‘He was staring dead straight. He was conscious but it was like he was frozen and slightly rocking back and forward.’
          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5470455/How-poisoned-spy-plot-unfolded-Salisbury.html

          The same. Georgia saw them on the bench so she was there before 4:15 and saw the CCTV couple sitting on the bench acting.

          1. Also from the DM link above:

            Destiny Reynolds, 20, who works in Ganesha Handicrafts in the centre, said: ‘I saw quite a lot of commotion – there were two people sat on the bench and there was a security guard there.

            ‘They put her on the ground in the recovery position, and she was shaking like she was having a seizure. It was a bit manic. There were a lot of people crowded round them. It was raining, people had umbrellas and were putting them over them.’
            .
            .
            Hmm… not sure about this one. It straddles the 4:15 divider. The umbrellas is a mystery and according to Abigail ‘Yulia’ was not breathing when they put her on the ground. Also suddenly there are “a lot of people”… were the police not establishing a cordon and keeping people away?

            1. And where is Jamie Paine? Why does Destiny not mention him? And why does she not mention Abigail McCourt – she and her mum must have been hard at work yet Destiny only mentions a security guard and lots of umbrellas?? Odd…

      2. Paul,

        To answer some of your points.
        HMG wanted to use a non lethal incapacitant to incapacitate. Not to kill.
        All of the Novichok, found, suggested, unearthed after Sunday afternoon was either a figment of PD’s imagination, or in a few cases where the OPCW were involved, a real swab of Novichok.
        Your response about “why Novichok” is exactly right, it could have come from many sources, but once HMG got the “only Russia” story rolloing there was no vocal dissent from any country,
        This includes the suppressed French report to the OPCW about other non Russian supplies.
        SDH only followed PD Clinician advice.
        When the experts tell you to do something, is an NHS generalist going to say no, and do something else?
        More than likely the patient bioassy samples went to PD anyway.
        By the way,comas are not harmful, they are useful to let the body heal.
        On a more basic point. Why would HMG lie?
        Because the people who made the lie work, and continued with it, so their departmental budgets increase, and having Russia in the dog box was a bit of relief from the fiasco that was/is Brexit.
        There was also quite a bit of sour grapes about Russia hosting the World Cup too.

        1. Duncan, everything you say can be true but it still does not amount to any evidence of a chemical weapons attack of any kind.

          I have, for a very long time, been convinced that the bench couple was not the Skripals anyway. There is no evidence that it was the Skripals, the evidence suggests it was the CCTV couple – which again points to a hoax.

          When you add in my source (who I know you said you did not accept) that told me Sergei flew out on SU 2579 on Monday 5 March… all the bits of my story actually fit together and there are no holes. I will not disclose who that source was but I assure you it was somebody in a position to know such things.

          1. Do not forget mannequins, which, according to your comments further below, replaced the “CCTV couple” on the bench.

            1. Thank you Milda. The mannequins would indeed be part of the pre-planned Toxic Dagger exercise. Once the witnesses had seen the CCTV couple on the bench, the police cleared the area, so the public was not able to see anything and the CCTV couple left the bench. Job done! That would have been around 4:15-4:20 I would guess.

            2. This is quite possible! End of Toxic Dagger. Mannequins are used by Military
              and would not be to much of an issue dressing them in appropriate clothing-
              wig [Blond-Red?] Red handbag in hand sitting motionless on a bench.

              What lengths would You go in creating a hoax?

              The Military equipment [Mannequins] Personnel within area at time 04-03-18
              with knowledge of Chemical Weapons is more than coincidental.

          2. Paul,

            I think you need to let readers know a bit more about what your source actually told you, so that they can make up their own minds about whether it is credible or not.

            In their original assessment, they did indeed believe that there was a poisoning, but you now seem to have ruled this out. Additionally, their more recent comments about Sergei’s whereabouts were that they *think* he is in Russia. I know you then received something that sounded more affirmative, but I have to admit that I was far from convinced that this wasn’t just more *we think* rather than *we know*.

            This is not me pouring scorn on your source; I freely admit I have no idea what happened on 4th March. Just that their assessment has sounded more like they *believe* that Sergei flew out of the UK to Russia, rather than that they actually *know* this to be the case.

            Rob

            1. Rob,

              This is the chronology:

              1) The first piece of information came in a conversation:
              I asked where they thought Sergei currently was and they came back to say they thought he was in Russia (not the same conversation) – but they added, we will probably never hear anything from him.

              2) The second piece of information was written:
              [paraphrasing]
              The US had “caught” Yulia. My source said this was something he/she had heard but wasn’t able to give any more details. [But note this was only in relation to Yulia’s whereabouts and had nothing to do with Sergei.]

              3) The third piece of information was again verbal. I had asked if they were able to tell me how Sergei had got back to Russia and in the next call, they simply said that Sergei had flown out of the UK on flight SU 2579 on Monday 5 March.

              The last item was not qualified at all. I do not remember the exact words but it was along the lines of: “Oh, you asked if we knew how Sergei had got back to Russia. Well he flew out on SU2579 on Monday 5 March.”

              You also say: “In their original assessment, they did indeed believe that there was a poisoning, but you now seem to have ruled this out.” – that is something I shared with you but have not previously mentioned in my comments.

              What they said (and this would be a couple of months before the details noted above) was that Sergei had somehow (they did not explain how) “brought out” some old Novichok and that that was used to poison somebody in a “show” directed by the US. They did not specify who had been poisoned.

              I do not know what to make of this. You say I have “ruled it out” – the truth is, I don’t know enough to be able to say anything sensibe about it. If it helps anyone here, then all well and good but it seems to me very unlikley that Sergei would have obtained samples of old Novichok that he then used on himself.

              1. Perfume bottle? It seems to have got lost somehow. And its gender points to Yulia.

                Skripals seem to have delivered something/got something to/from people they did not know – the feeding of the ducks.
                They might have delivered something to the wrong people.

                Who hit them? That is anybody’s guess. But someone on the British side seems to have spread laboratory “Novichok” for OPCW
                to find two weeks afterwards, to confirm Porton Down’s version on “Novichok” which happened to be the same stuff as in the perfume bottle confirmed by OPCW. However the stuff in the perfume bottle had 2 to 3 percent impurities. Which is kind of surprising considering that it was contained in a bottle.

                1. So maybe the perfume bottle got snatched but MI6 decided they could do the “Novichok” scare anyway.

                    1. The perfume bottle is a cheap counterfeit. Nobody would use it for something as deadly as Novichok! In fact you wouldn’t want to use a glass bottle in case it smashed (as Charlie was reported to have said in early reports!) If the perfume bottle appears in the actual story at all, I think it would be well after 4 March and as for gender, I think the gender points to Dawn. But then why the ridiculous applicator? If you wanted Dawn to think it was a perfume bottle, just leave on the original nozzle. In any case, neither the applicator nor the original nozzle would work! The idea of the perfume bottle is completely mad.

          3. If Sergei flew to Russia, then would it not be stunningly obvious for the Russians to show him to the media, rather than constantly complain that he has no consular access?
            How great a coup would it be to show the Maybot that he is safe in mother Russia, and then the whole HMG story would be shot to pieces?
            Also, what sort of asset would Sergei be to Russia? What is his value?
            Why not, as has been suggested many times, did he not just find his own way back?
            We have the scenario that Sergei waits until Yulia has joined him, so that he flies in the other direction a couple of days later.

            1. Exactly Duncan! Dealing with your last point first, 4 March was about Yulia not Sergei. Afterwards, Sergei just went home, it is Yulia who has gone somewhere to do something.

              What was Sergei’s value? Well maybe he never stopped working for Russia – getting a free trip home for retirement was his reward.

              To me, it is ‘stunningly obvious’ that if Sergei had been working for Russia and Russia had been involved at all in the events of 4 March, they would say nothing at all afterwards! All the prods and pokes at HMG from Russia, is for show. They know HMG can’t say anything because Russia can destroy HMG at ANY time by doing what you suggest. And HMG knows that!

              1. Also Duncan, if HMG really does have Sergei and Yulia, why not just release a picture of them? Proof of life! They have done with Bailey. It would end all the Russian barbs at a stroke!

              2. Sorry Paul. That won’t do. If Sergei was in Russia and *could* be revealed at any moment, HMG would never have acted in the way it has. I do believe that there are some unbelievably thick people in positions of leadership in this country, but I don’t believe that there are any that are *so* unbelievably thick that they would have acted in this way. No, if they had discovered that Sergei had left the country on 5th March, they would have quietly buried the story and we wouldn’t be having this discussion now. Fentanyl poisoning. Move on. Nothing to see here.

                When you say, “They know HMG can’t say anything because Russia can destroy HMG at ANY time by doing what you suggest,” I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. HMG, the MET and the media have spent the last year saying stuff — lots and lots and lots of it — over and over again. They may have many reasons for doing this, but to think that they would have done it knowing that Sergei could be photographed/interviewed in Russia at any moment saying, “Hi, I’m okay” — something which would have led to the fall of HMG and much more — is not exactly very convincing.

                1. In which case Rob, why does HMG allow Russia to continue with the diplomatic notes etc.. Why does HMG continue to allow itself to be portrayed as breaking all the rules? Many countries have complained that they have not had any details from HMG.

                  HMG is the one that says they have Sergei and Yulia so it is clearly up to them to prove it! If they can.

                  As for HMG burying the story – I don’t buy that at all! There are countless events that are widely believed to be hoaxes – what was 9/11?

                  While HMG controls the press they will carry on. If there was an independent press, this story would have been debunked a long time ago.

                  1. The bit about breaking the rules is irrelevant. They don’t care about being seen to have broken rules, because no-one cares about such things these days and they know they can get away with it.

                    But I fear that you are running with a particular theory, for which you have just one source, and you are then making the assumption that it is the only possible explanation. Take this comment: “HMG is the one that says they have Sergei and Yulia so it is clearly up to them to prove it! If they can.” Why would the reluctance of HMG to show Sergei necessarily be explained by them not having Sergei? There are other possibilities, such as that they have him, but that he cannot be brought out to the public because he cannot be made to back up their account of what happened to him.

                    And no HMG does not have total control over the media. In the UK that is true, but if the Russians had Sergei and wanted to drip the message out through some channel that they, not HMG, have him, there are plenty of methods they could choose.

                    1. But it is absolutely clear that Russia does not want to ‘drip the message out’. If you look at this case and MH17, there are many similarities in the way Russia has handled it. Do you believe that JIT is impartial or independent? Do you believe that Russia murdered hundreds by shooting down a plane? Do you believe that Russia does not have absolute proof that it was the Ukraine that really did it? MH17 is orders of magnitude greater than ‘the Salisbury incident’ – few people outside the UK care very much about Salisbury at all. In fact not many in the UK care about it!

                      As for your suggestion that I am ignoring other possibilities: I believe evidence exists to show the Skripals left from The Mill, not the bench. I believe evidence exists to show the Skripals were not even on the bench. I believe that the ‘bench incident’ was a hoax (why no pictures?). So the next question becomes “well what happened then?”… and now I have a source who has told me that Sergei flew out on 5 March which happens to fit very nicely what what I already thought. Show me some other evidence and I might change my mind.

                    2. Hello Rob! I can see both sides of coin regarding what Paul-Yourself saying.
                      Could Sergei be a Trump Card awaiting play in this Political Game?
                      I respect what Paul posts and I tend to agree.

                      I also respect others opinions-ideas-theory’s.
                      We all know that this Case is a Disaster,Lie after lie and another lie
                      covering last lie?

                      If true why can We not see-be shown Important Information-Details?

                      We will start thinking this Case is a Hoax.

                      Best Wishes Rob! Please continue updating.

                    3. Paul, the collapse of MH17 is nothing compared to the use of military chemical weapons against civilians in Europe! I’m surprised you don’t understand that.

                    4. Iris, If Russia had really used chemical weapons in Salisbury, it would have been an act of war… but that didn’t happen and the whole world knows that it did not happen. The shooting down MH17, on the other hand, really did happen.

                      It is the difference between fact and fantasy.

                    5. Why, Paul? Witnesses to the Skripals collapse were finded the investigation, as well as the crash of MH17. It is unknown for what reasons have destroyed MH17, and why Skripals collapse on bench.

                    6. Iris, The Ukraiane shot down MH17. They made it fly hundreds of miles north of where it should have been and then shot it down. The Skripals were not the couple seen on the bench. It is all a hoax.

                2. Dear Rob! To assume that Sergey is in Russia – is a complete separation of a brain. Sergei received pleasure from life in of England, was joyful, sociable, built further spyware plans for himself. Returning to Russia for him is like burying himself alive.

                  1. Iris, That might be your opinion but we are told that Sergei had tried to return to Russia. So perhaps, with a 90 year old mother still alive, he saw things differently from you.

                    1. Who exactly is talking about this? Maybe you’re a medium and you hear “voices”. Sergey sometimes used the telephone to his mother, and that’s all and no more than that. This is common for all emigrants.

                    2. Iris, I don’t know why you are making such childish comments but your attempts to be rude to me will get you nowhere. No I am not a ‘medium’ and I do not hear ‘voices’ – but I do listen to people who are far better placed than you are to actually know the facts.

                      I don’t know why you think this is my idea, I am simply telling you what happened – I didn’t tell Sergei to go back to Russia, he decided that for himself!

                      Now instead of wasting your time and my time with further idiotic comments I suggest you stop reading my comments if you don’t like them.

                    3. Too much imagination, Paul. Sergei Skripal flies to Moscow in front of two hundred Aeroflot passengers, and all remain silent….

                    4. Iris, This is not my idea, it is not a question of my imagination. Since Sergei flew out of London several hours before even his name had been made known in the UK, why would anybody recognise him on the plane?

                      When that exact same plane returned to London on 30 March, the UK border force created an international incident by demanding to search the plane. They ordered the crew off and kept the pilot in the cockpit so he could not see what they were doing and sent a sniffer dog onboad. The search took 5-7 minutes. What was the dog doing if it was not trained to find the seat Sergei had sat on?

    2. Thanks Mark,

      I don’t think any CCTV footage has been destroyed. The Met CT do not want us or anyone else to see it.
      I do not believe the door handle dosing, and any Novichok was supplied by PD, and only to continue the lie.
      Novichok had to be seen as a big deal, so the clean up, condemned police cars, Zizzi table, DS Bailey etc was all designed to ramp up the fear factor.
      I suspect that the BZ spray happened just outside the Mill Pub.
      That is why the Zizzi/Mill Pub venues are now switched.
      There is CCTV showing the spray, but we will never see it.

      1. Outside The Mill, before the shops closed? Would there not be witnesses? The attacker could not choose the time, he/she had to do it whenever the Skripals were there, regardless of witnesses. Why was a door handle theory required? Just say they were sprayed with Novichok outside The Mill! Would one or the other of them not have sought help? Instead, they struggle up to the bench, sit down and then collapse simultaneously?

        Why can’t we see the CCTV? We have all seen the CCTV of the assassination of Kim Jong Un’s brother.

    3. I basically agree. The “Novichok” might have come from Porton Down or from an ex Soviet laboratory, like for eg someone like Uglev.

      I tend to think from an ex Soviet laboratory/Uglev as how would the Russians know where the action was? Simplest explanation because Uglev told them (I would tell the authorities if someone asked me to provide dangerous stuff).
      Also because it was timed for Yulia’s arrival (but maybe they thought her more photogenic and sympathetic than Sergej Skripal, so more PR value).

      Novichok was supposed to be handed over and Russia was in on it.

      A few scientists in Porton Down might have been involved but not the hierarchy. Otherwise statements like this can hardly be explained.
      “”It is our job to provide the scientific evidence of what this particular nerve agent is, we identified that it is from this particular family and that it is a military grade, but it is not our job to say where it was manufactured.”
      However, he confirmed the substance required “extremely sophisticated methods to create, probably something only in the capabilities of a state actor”.”
      Which is what Spiez laboratory said
      https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precise-source-of-novichok-that-poisoned-spy-11315387

      “Military grade” is a term Aitkenhead used, but has no chemical or medical meaning.

      Researching the term is quite funny.

      https://www.quora.com/What-does-military-grade-mean

      “The term “military grade” when not referring to a mil spec is 100 percent a marketing term used interchangeably with words like strong, tough, intense and high-quality. It links their product with some of the highest-rated products in the world.”

      So Aitkenhead was using marketing language

    4. Because there is not much to see, if stuff from an opened parcel gets into the noses of two people on a bench?
      How much drug users are filmed on smartphones? Most people just walk by avoiding to look at the addict.
      What most people do are selfies, lets face it.

      1. I tend to think the AA helicopter was used to get media interested. Two drug users passing out on a bench is not that newsworthy.

        1. It was very newsworthy by Monday evening and despite Destiny Reynolds saying lots of people were there, not a single one of them had a picture! Complete nonsense!

          1. Sure, it became newsworthy when it was revealed that a Russian spy was involved.
            By that time the bench was cordoned off and very photogenic hazmat suits were filmed.
            On Sunday Skripals were unknown drug users and lucky someone looked after them on the bench.

    1. Rowley’s retirement and Basu’s appointment were announced in Jan 2018. Official handovers for the Met and local PD’s appear to be six to twelve weeks. That’s when they’re orderly, meaning a second in command is viewed as an acceptable replacement. In those instances, the retiring or resigning commander remains in the job until the formal handover, as happened at SO15 and WPD last year. However, in the case of WPD, Pritchard was only appointed temporary Chief Constable and Oct 2018 advertised the opening. In Nov 2018 Pritchard was given the job as Chief Constable.

  151. A brief recap:

    The door handle theory – hoax
    Novichok used – hoax
    Zizzi was contaminated – hoax
    The Mill was contaminated – hoax
    Vehicles were contaminated – hoax
    Sergei’s roof was contaminated – hoax
    Clothes had to be destroyed – hoax
    The perfume bottle – hoax
    R&A were assassins – hoax
    ‘Pure’ substance in OPCW samples – hoax
    SDH said “nerve agent” – hoax
    PHE said “nerve agent” – hoax
    The Met said “nerve agent” – hoax
    Brave Bailey – hoax

    Now I could go on but I think a trend is developing. Would anyone care to suggest ANY part of ‘the bench incident’ that was not also a ‘highly likely’ hoax?

      1. Thanks Philip. I could add to anyone who is concerned about the size of the total hoax, how many people are already involved in the above list? If that is a problem, which parts of the above do we want to revisit and possibly add back to ‘reality’? And I haven’t even started on the pets or the AA yet!

    2. QEG Public Toilets-Hoax
      Perfume Bacon Wrapped Box In Bin-Hoax
      Fawlty Towers Hotel London [Novihoax Find]-Hoax
      Dodgy Nick Losing Everything-Hoax [Unless Mrs Bailey Discovered His Affair]

    4. Perfume bottle found in waste bin by Charlie Rowley – Hoax
      Eleven days for Met Police to discover said bottle – Hoax

    5. How would you know! Just saying “hoax”, “hoax” does not make it true.

      The door handle theory – unlikely
      Novichok used – possible
      Zizzi was contaminated – possible
      The Mill was contaminated – possible
      Vehicles were contaminated – possible
      Sergei’s roof was contaminated – strange, but possible if he was storing the stuff
      Clothes had to be destroyed – understandable with the lack of information on the stuff used
      The perfume bottle – possible

        1. “The door handle theory – unlikely” – Rob has comprehensively destroyed the idea from every angle.

          Let’s see how many people agree with you on the rest of what you say!

        2. This is true Anonymous! But Post event details or lack of details don’t
          make a strong case for a genuine Novichok attack.

          It all adds up to a staged event that went very wrong…A Hoax.

          Why aren’t We being shown true CCTV footage. Dangerous does
          mean run I agree but the Danger has got less Dangerous and untrue
          over the last twelve months.

            1. Hi anidea! I think a Hoax that went very wrong and needed more
              lies after lies to keep fairy story alive and cover disasters.

              1. Skripals handing something over – not necessarily a hoax
                someone intercepting them – not necessarily a hoax
                the poison used an organophosphate – not necessarily a hoax (see Kim Yong Un)
                the poison used sounding Russian – not necessarily a hoax
                Porton Down analyzing something Russian – not necessarily a hoax
                OPCW analyzing very pure Novichok after two weeks – not credible
                Bonus question – can you imagine anyone apart from friends and family who would not prefer Skripals dead rather then alive?

            2. “I guess you have to decide: Did something go wrong or was it a hoax.”

              These two options aren’t mutually exclusive. I’m nearly toppling over towards the idea that something went wrong (not necessarily a hoax), and then a cover-up (a hoax).

              “Hoax would mean success.”

              It can’t be a successful hoax, if it wasn’t accepted by enough of the dupees. A successful hoax shows no traces, at least for some time afterwards, because the storyline has to be plausible for the hoax to work.

              And this happened twice, once in March and once more in June/July.

  152. Fast approaching and will probably not be reported whilst the angst of BREXIT plays out.
    But one to watch.
    At 10am on April 15th coroner David Ridley to have a pre inquest review (PIR) on the death of Dawn Sturgess.
    It’s been covered elsewhere in this blog but here is a link to an article by Pacificfreepress :-

    http://www.pacificfreepress.com/2019/01/24/opinion/skripal-case-coroner-unconvinced-yet.html

    With due respect to her family and friends I don’t believe she died of nerve agent poisoning.
    I have no more reason to say this other than what we have already been told by HMG is a pack of lies.

    1. I quite agree – but her family have a right to know the truth even if it is an embarrassment to Big Brother.

      DS Bailey was simply suffering from anxiety like the other dozen or so that turned up at SDH thinking they had been poisoned. It’s his blood test that was poisoned.

      1. As I understand her family was told that there was no alcohol nor other substances in her blood, that could have caused her death except the organophosphate.
        It is unethical to pretend otherwise if one does not have any real knowledge about it.

        1. I’m not “pretending” to know anything more or less about the cause of death of Dawn Sturgess. What I am saying is, given the pack of lies that we have already been fed, I don’t BELIEVE anything from TPTB about the whole case, including the goings on at Amesbury. Nothing unethical about that,

  153. A possible scenario, please shoot it down.

    What if Pablo Miller asked Sergei over lunch at Cote Brasserie one day “Where can we get some easily identified as Russian, chemical weapons”? We need to to get Mad Dog Mattis to bomb the Russians in Syria because they are beating the hell out of us over there and the US are reluctant to do that in case it starts WW3.

    What if Sergei went to work to provide Pablo with some USSR/Russian style chemical weapons, knowing that Pablo always pays well when ever Sergei helps him with things like made up dossiers etc. Porton Down could make it for Pablo but it wouldn’t have a Russian labs unique signature and so probably wouldn’t fool Mattis or the OPCW.

    One of Sergei’s past roles in the KGB was liaising with USSR scientists, so he certainly would have contacts over there to help him with that.

    Now say Yulia was his courier and bought in samples or almost complete Russian type chemical weapon chemicals. Disguised in different ways, sometimes in fake perfume bottles, always very well sealed in a thick wrapping of course.

    Sergei set up a small lab in his roof space, a place to complete the chemical weapons manufacture.

    I’ve always been suspicious of Sergei owning guinea pigs. Were these for testing these chemical weapons or for maybe an early warning if gas levels from the chemicals in the roof became dangerous. Did he replace the guinea pigs with similar ones if they died.

    I seem to remember the back yard of 47 Christie Miller Rd being dug up early on. Did they find guinea pig remains?

    A few things about this scenario. If the Russians found out what Sergei was up to, which is quite likely as he was buying the stuff to make it from Russia and the old Eastern Block, then the Russians would not be too happy. An ex spy of their’s producing chemicals weapons for MI6 to frame Russia in Syria. His life would definitely be in danger and Sergei did indeed think his life was in danger before he disappeared.

    Another thing, this would explain Nicks illness, if he had searched the roof space of Sergei’s house on the Sunday night, he may have become contaminated with something poisonous up there and then he contaminated Bourne Hill police station, several police cars and his house. It also explains the complete demolition of Sergei’s house roof.

    The Mill pub Zizzi’s bench West End Production Russia is evil hoax went ahead that
    Sunday as an extenstion of Toxic Dagger but Nick being poisoned meant that instead of the masked people near Market Walk being portrayed as being the Russian perpetrators of spraying Sergei and Yulia in the hoax, the door handle story had to be invented and used instead.

    So what happened to Sergei and Yulia? They had to be disappeared
    because they both knew that MI6 had conspired to obtain chemical weapons
    to frame Russia and worse planned to use them in Syria and the Russians
    were after them for to expose the scheme for geopolitical gain.

    On Sunday morning they turned off their phones to hide from the Russians
    and went to the cemetery one last time. got in a MI6 car and were
    disappeared.

    We don’t have any evidence that the real Sergei or Yulia were at the Duck
    feed, Zizzi’s or the Mill or the bench. The impostor couple from Market Walk
    were pretending to be them.

    What about the video of the duck feed shown to Aidan’s mum, was it really
    the Skripals or was it of the impostor couple with the boys? Was she told
    it was the Skripals? Was it edited so that she could see the boys but
    not the Skripals clearly? Is that why we cant see it?

    Sergei’s BMW was driven to Sainsbury’s car park by a man in a brown coat
    Sergei couldn’t be identified in the CCTV pics in the car on that trip and it could have been the impostor man..

    Sergei and Yulia are probably semi prisoners but also need protection as well, held
    by MI6, who knows where but we here at the Blogmire are sure to find out.

    This scenario also explains Russia’s cageyness over the whole saga.

    I have left out a few other points that fit with this but it was getting too long. Thank you for reading it.

    1. Hi Denise, I think that if Sergei was a traitor, it was to Yeltsin’s Russia. I think it is more likely that he was still working for Russia, than against it by the time he got to Salisbury. How might that fit your scenario? Sergei as a triple agent. (I still don’t understand why the UK wanted him included in the 2010 spy swap!)

      1. I dont know about that Paul, I think it might have been the other way around, Sergei was loyal to the USSR pre-Gorbachev and the KGB of old. He probably hated Yeltsin’s and then Putin’s industrial mafia style Russia.

        Like you, I have read hundreds or more pages on the Internet about Sergei and one thing that comes through is his love of money. He loved buying instant scratch and win cards for example and he especially loved paying for everyone, when he was part of a group that went out to dine at an expensive restaurant, sometimes spending hundreds of pounds at a time.

        So I think its possible knowing the trouble MI6 was in, in Syria, Pablo could have made him a financial offer he just couldn’t refuse and it may have come with a threat attached if he was wavering.

        I’m not convinced that he was anyone’s agent, just a mercenary after the demise of the USSR.

        The spy swap was more about MI6’s ability to recruit than about Sergei himself. Some reports say Sergei gave up as many as 300 Russian spies. MI6’s recruitment probably suffered badly when Sergei went to jail.

        If MI6 (Pablo) wanted to recruit again, they needed to get one of their biggest successes out of jail in Russia. So they could say ‘we will look after you no matter what happens, look we got Sergei out and he now lives very comfortably in the South of England’

    2. It is certainly a possibility and I can understand why you think the couple on CCTV was meant to look like Skripals, the problem is the guy looks nothing like Sergej Skripal not even in body shape.

      The only way they could have been used to fool anybody was a courier who only had a very rough description. But a video of Skripal at his trial and arrest was uploaded on youtube two weeks before the incident.

      And the perfume bottle made to look as if Yulia Skripal had brought it in via plane got lost.

      And the woman of the CCTV couple had the red bag she could swap with Yulia’s.

      I would rather think the couple was meant to look similar to disguise the swap on CCTV.

      1. I can understand the psychological hollywood movie urge to make this turn out well for the Skripals but the most likely version is that they were indeed poisoned at the bench.

      2. Hi Anidea, Firstly I have no hard and fast position on what happened in Salisbury in 2018. I am open to all evidence and my position changes with every new piece found, as it should

        I dont think it mattered that the impostor couple didn’t look much like Sergei and Yulia, as the TPTB know that they control the CCTV, they control all of the MSM and they now control all of the witnesses and any pictures taken at the time. George Orwell’s 1984 came to Salisbury in 2018

        The purpose of the hoax at the bench was to create a HMG narrative to punish Russia for the West’s (UKs) defeat in Syria with draconian sanctions imposed by the US and to arrange a mass expulsion worldwide of Russian diplomats and set the world on an anti Russia path ready for a war against them, similar to the softening up propaganda of the world received before the invasion of Iraq.

        Integrity Initiative’s Christopher Donnelly wrote a paper about war being good for the UK and mankind. I’ll see if I can find the link to it.

        I agree about the perfume bottle but it was for another purpose as you can see from my story above.

        I dont think the red bag played any important part.

      1. Yes Milda, thank you. I knew that and it was a mistake I wish we could edit here in the Blogmire.

    4. Denise, your version explains the demolition of the roof, and frankly, I cannot find another explanation.

      1. It was for a show. Something big had to be done with Skripal’s house. For instance, Zizzi was not contaminated (remember that neither staff nor visitors got ill; also, we saw photos of policemen in Zizzi in regular uniforms and quite relaxed). Nevertheless, the table the Skripals had sat at was burned, the restaurant was closed for “decontamination” for eight months.

        To be clear about what I think: the Salisbury poisoning was a false flag operation; Novichok was not used, but the Skripals were poisoned with other chemical (likely an incapacitant) in the Maltings.

      2. Hi Inquirer, Yes and I think something really bad leaked down into the wall cavity from the roof space, for the window frames to have to be removed from Sergei’s house.

        I don’t think you would touch the window frames, if it was all just for show. All you would need to do was to replace the roof, That would be plenty, if you were only doing it to reinforce the fear of Russia in the publics mind.

  154. Editor at 23?
    How does one manage that?

    ‘The one part of the fourth estate that has mostly been exempted from criticism is the Salisbury Journal, which has been reporting goings on in the city since 1729. Rebecca Hudson, who was the first journalist at the scene of the crime, became news editor of the paper in the summer. She has, aged 23, had six months of the most accelerated media training of any young reporter in the country.’
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/09/salisbury-six-months-on-skripal-dawn-sturgess-russia

    Was this her reward for not doing her job?

    2. Salisbury, 16:55 4 March, 2018… ‘Ring, ring. Ring, ring’

      “Hi this is Rebecca.”
      “Hi, Rebecca… look I was just speaking to Spencer. Something REALLY big is happening at the Maltings.”
      “Yeah, I know… I mean… err… is it? What?”
      “A couple collapsed on a bench. Police, ambulances, even the Queens nurse! They’re all there.”
      “Yeah, he’s a Russian sp… sorry… I mean… oh, gosh! Really?”
      “Yeah, you should get down right away – get the scoop on it!”
      “Sure… but I can’t go just now. I’m waiting for a video from Spence.”
      “What!! Rebecca, this could be huge! Get down there!”
      “Look I really appreciate you calling and all that but it’s… umm… a bit inconvenient right now.”
      “Rebecca, this could be the biggest story of your whole career!”
      “Gosh! Do you think so? Right, well I’ll try and get down there in an hour or so.”

      ‘Click’

      1. Picking up an editorship at 23yrs of age is unheard of, surely?
        She’s certainly arrogant enough to be of use to the permanent state.

        Published 13 Jul 2018
        https://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2018/news/weekly-journalist-attacks-embarrassing-world-media-over-coverage-of-patch/
        ‘A weekly newspaper’s head of news has hit out at “embarrassing and irresponsible” national and international journalists over their coverage of recent major events on her patch.’

        ‘Rebecca accused the Daily Star, Australia’s Channel Ten Eyewitness News and Israel’s Walla News of “jumping on the bandwagon” by linking the incident to the alleged Novichok poisonings of four people in Salisbury and nearby Amesbury in recent months.’

        ‘In response, Rebecca posted on Twitter: “Dear national media: THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DON”T TRUST YOU”

        Made me laugh anyway.

    3. Yet the then editor, Joe Riddle, departed for the Brighton Argus within two months of one of the biggest stories he’s ever likely to encounter. There, he became news editor: the equivalent of the Head of News job that Rebecca Hudson got promoted to.

      Whether he did it himself or took the blame, all those multiple edits and fixes of SJ’s Skripal reporting in the days between the bench incident and the first D-notice had his responsible fingerprints. Whether he jumped or was pushed, you can decide for yourself. Whether being promoted sideways or downwards from editor at one local paper to news editor on another is a reward or a punishment … well, who knows? Asked rhetorically, of course.

      1. It’s exactly the same for Kier Pritchard. Dropped in to be ‘face-man’ just before the big event. Did his ‘job’ well and has now picked up the chair as C/C Wilts Cons.
        https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/17267943.kier-pritchard-confirmed-as-permanent-chief-constable/
        I’m still waiting for Hamish De Breton Gordon to pick up his knighthood btw. thought that would have been in the NY honours list. Ah maybe next year (as it’ll be deemed to be less obvious).

        https://twitter.com/OARichardEngel/status/980161745665908736

  155. I have made this full transcript of the critical part of Abigail McCourt’s interview:

    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/vp/audiojs/popout/?audio=https%3A%2F%2Fcml.sad.ukrd.com%2Faudio%2F742540.mp3&d=&tracklength=02%3A24&t=0

    So it was the 4th March and it was my brother’s birthday and so we were out celebrating. We were coming home and I saw them on the bench and at this point people were still walking past. I don’t think anyone had really noticed them and I was telling my mum, like, because I thought he was having a heart attack and so we went over and obviously it developed from there and we went home. The next day I was talking to some of my friends about it and then at break someone Snapchatted me and was like, “is this the thing you were talking about?” and it was like OK, wow!

    Q – So what goes through your mind then, when you realise what you have been involved in?

    I was a bit shocked to be honest because I don’t think I was expecting anything near that to have happened and I was just like I need to ring my mum, like, wow! And yeah, she was OK so it’s just a bit surreal really.

    Q – And first aid training that you’ve had at your school has played a key role. It really helped you deal with that incident, didn’t it?

    Yeah it did, umm… it was just like learning the basic stuff like doctor [?] A,B,C and resuscitation, even though we didn’t need to use it and recovery position, it just all helped, like it did make a massive difference I think, because the woman wasn’t breathing at the time when we found her . So, yeah.”
    .
    .
    Firstly, I think it is clear that Abigail had been prepared for her speech and deliberately left out any real detail. That is understandable but what did she actually do to win her ‘life saver’ award?

    The next day she was telling her friends about it. But what happened on Monday (apart from SDH declaring an incident) that her friend could possibly have heard about, to ask “at break” if it was the same incident? It was not until 6pm that the name of Sergei was known and why would Abigail think that an incident at SDH was connected with what she had seen on Sunday until later? Why did she need to call her mum to see if she was OK?

    The woman was not breathing but did not need resuscitating… presumably no tracheostomy either then.

    A few other thoughts:
    1) Jamie Paine – would it not have been generous for Abigail to acknowledge the others who had helped? And if Abigail was first there (which she says) then ‘Yulia’ was still sitting. When did Jamie arrive? Jamie does not mention ‘Yulia’ still sitting. Who moved ‘’Yulia’ onto the ground?
    2) Was Jamie Paine at the SpireFM ceremony? There is no mention of it anywhere.
    2) Who called 999?
    3) What were the 2 other policemen doing? Surely they should have been helping the McCourts, not Jamie. The police should have told Jamie to move away, the most senior nurse in the British army was already dealing with it, her daughter was there and presumably the rest of the McCourt family.
    4) When did the McCourt’s (and Jamie) get decontaminated? Did they have to destroy all their clothes? Jamie doesn’t mention anything either! Plus, Jamie doesn’t mention it in his 22 March ITV interview.
    5) If Abigail was telling her school friends, why did the SJ not pick up the story and tell of the “16 year old local hero”? They could easily have run a story without naming (or even mentioning) Abigail’s mum.
    6) If the woman was not breathing, how could she ‘froth at the mouth’; how could Jamie “get a bit on his skin”; how could she dribble so Jamie put some wipes under her face. How long did this all take? Why was Jamie still there? Police and paramedics were arriving.
    7) No mention, Abigail or Jamie, of anybody doing anything to help ‘Sergei’.
    8) Jamie’s interview was on the Tuesday evening – it was already dark. Why had Jamie not been at the PA news event on Tuesday morning? If the police got anybody’s name, surely it was Jamie, so it would have been easy to get hold of him. None of the other witnesses seem to have had trouble being there. Why didn’t the BBC interview Jamie on Monday, right after Freya? Why are there no pictures of Jamie, arm-in-arm with a police woman being taken to his interview?
    9) And many, many more questions besides…. not least of which is, if ‘Yulia’ was not breathing, how did she start breathing agin if they did not resuscitate her?

      1. http://www.theblogmire.com/british-media-regurgitates-bloggers-unverified-claims-to-prove-the-bottom-of-the-barrel-hadnt-previously-been-reached/#comment-14277

        Rob Slane says:
        October 1, 2018 at 11:47 am
        I got in contact with him, and asked if he would be able to answer a couple of questions (which I wrote in my message). He responded by saying: “Yeah tomorrow please”. I got nothing back from him the following day, so I then asked him again the day after that. He then responded by saying “Go for it” (even though I had already sent him the questions). So I sent them again. Nothing back. I then tried one more time, but nothing back. Very frustrating as it seemed from his first response that he might be prepared to answer. But from his second response, it seemed to me that and he doesn’t much care (although I suppose it’s possible he might have been warned).

          1. Or indeed poisoning them? And others coming to their help after the fact?

            It is no help replacing a nonsense official narrative with a more nonsense alternative facts narrative.

            Or you intend people to give up.

            1. The irony of what you just posted has clearly escaped you!

              The official narrative is that it was a nerve agent, yet you seem happy to believe that that part is a hoax and that it was actually an “incapacitating” agent instead. Do you not get it? Where is your evidence? YOU are calling hoax on the official narrative too!

              Why do you therefore feel the need to cling ‘as close as possible’ to the officail narrative? It is a HOAX!!! Forget the whole story and look at the few things we can (maybe) rely on. There are NO pictures. There is no evidence that proves beyond any doubt that ANY sort of chemical was used – so why does your story need to include one?

              It is a HOAX!!

              1. Tell me this, if no nerve agent was involved, then how could anything be contaminated? Why was Zizzi, The Mill, Sergei’s roof, etc etc all decontaminated? Why were dozens of vehicles buried? Why were people told to destroy clothes? What were they contaminated with? An incapacitant? How does that work?

                If there was no nerve agent, the whole thing was a HOAX! The whole of the official narrative is a HOAX!!!

              2. Because the way secret services work is to compartmentalize. People only get the information they need to do their task. This has been immensely complicated by the revolving door of private and public security organisations. This is true for Russia where oligarchs were the only ones for a decade to pay security people (Skripals career is different from Litvinenko et al that he seems to have sticked to state, but the state people on the British side did not and that might have caused his problems)

                What private companies might promise thir clients was shown by the Cambridge Analytica sting.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbeOCKZFfQ

                Just to demonstrate what this could mean, let’s play through the following

                A Russian client is in the market for dirt on his opponent whom he fights in British courts. The fight is about contracts from the 1990’s He accuses his opponent of relations to the Russian mafia.

                Orbis or someone known to Orbis subcontracts Skripal who has got loads of 1990’s contacts to start digging.

                Russian mafia takes notice. Connected oligarchs connect private security to find out.

                Orbis via Christopher Steele is heavily involved in the Democratic Party/Neocon “Blame Russia for Trump” strategy.
                Orbis via Pablo Miller is heavily involved in the Integrity Initiative and the Institute of statecraft.

                There are social get togethers with Sir John Scarlet, now private with the Qatari wealth fund as a client, their old boss. They all have/used to have a focus on Russia. They talk about their clients.

                All these actors with information on what other people were doing might have used an opportunity. They all will have taken care not to take any legal risks. The only people taking risks will have been mafia and presumably Skripal maybe not realizing he was working private and not necessarily covered the state side.

                Britain is accusing Russia of mixing mafia with state. But Britain lets mafia act within their state.

                1. That is all very interesting but it says nothing about an incapacitant being used on 4 March. My point is that if it was not a nerve agent, where is the evidence that anything was used on 4 March? BZ, fentanyl, some sort of incapacitant, other… there is NO evidence for any of it! It is just guess work to try to make sense of the official narrative with invented facts. It is just saying “OK I know it is a hoax but let me see if I can write a better hoax!”

                  The narrative is a HOAX!!

                  1. By doing that you destroy any meaningful conversation on facts which is the basis of acting in any political meaningful way.

                    Psychologically it is called paranoia when people believe everybody lies to them.

                    When the ruling elite has the same interests as foreign actors people have a problem. But paranoia is not the answer.

                    1. Well let’s stick to facts then. What facts do you have that any chemical weapon was employed on 4 March?

                    2. Undeputable fact is that people are telling different stories.
                      So there is no “controlled narrative”.

                      Another fact seems to be that there was a huge costly cleanup operation in Salisbury, and lots of Salisbury citizens lost money. And there are Salisbury citizens who say they have seen the bench incident, whatever you think it might have been.

                      Next fact is that Britain and Russia had a huge diplomatic row, and Britain got a lot of European countries to expel diplomats. Russia expelled European diplomats. Putin won the Russian elections by a huge margin, and everybody agrees that the football championship was well organised. Britain did not win it but France, and Macron met Putin.

                      US, France and Britain bombed Syria without changing anything on the ground, as a matter of fact they seem to have left Syria now to Russia, Iran and Turkey.

                      Europe has not increased sanctions, as far as I can tell, as they depend on votes from all countries, and the ability of the US to use pressure decreases with US withdrawal from institutions.

                      Britain and Russia now try to repair relations.

                      What the incident definitively achieved was to increase the British “defense budget”.

                      The content of the leaked II/Institute of Statecraft papers has not been disputed as far as I know.
                      There is this quote going round “So, if no catastrophe happens to wake people up and demand a response, then we need to find a way to get the core of government to realise the problem and take it out of the political space.
                      We will need to impose changes over the heads of vested interests. NB We did this in the 1930s”

                      It is a deeply political issue. But of course, you can tell people there was no one on the bench instead.

                    3. The NB to the 1930’s means this
                      https://www.theguardian.com/century/1930-1939/Story/0,,126998,00.html

                      ” In a major reversal of rearmament policy Britain today announced new expansion plans for its army, navy and air force. The plans, in a defence white paper, are to demonstrate that Britain does not take lightly Germany’s continuing rearmament.

                      The white paper calls for an enlarged fleet, improved defences for warships against air attack, more aircraft for the RAF and new coastal and anti-aircraft defences. The emphasis on air defence follows fears that Britain is an easy target for cross-Channel air raids.

                      Explaining the government’s policy shift Stanley Baldwin said: “Our attempt to lead the world towards disarmament by unilateral example has failed.” German rearmament now threatened to put peace at peril. Despite claims by Germany’s leaders that they wanted peace, Britain could not ignore the way Germany’s forces are constantly being mobilised, he added.”

                      Britain did not win WW2. Russia did and the United States.
                      Part of Europe/Britain lived in a Pax Americana.

                      The United States – not just Trump – are now discussing this
                      https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/10/opinion/trump-aside-whats-the-us-role-in-nato.html

                      “NATO, a military alliance, was formed specifically to prevent the Soviet Union from dominating Europe, whose principal powers — Germany, France, Italy and Britain — had been so devastated by World War II that they were vulnerable to Soviet coercion, subversion or conquest. NATO also became a vehicle for rehabilitating the Axis powers — Germany and Italy — under the victors’ tutelage.
                      …
                      NATO’s expansion now requires the United States to defend all the new member states from both conventional and nuclear threats — a tall order given their proximity to Russia and a strategically unnecessary project since they can contribute nothing to American national security.
                      …
                      NATO’s founding mission has been achieved and replaced with unsuccessful misadventures. The United States has urgent business at home, and arguably in Asia. Though President Trump has no strategy for returning the European allies to full responsibility for their own futures, the American foreign policy establishment could better spend its time devising such a strategy than defending the counterproductive trans-Atlantic status quo.

                      A reappraisal is long overdue.”

                2. Now let’s put another layer to this scenario. Russian mafia is indeed controlled by the Russian state. That is what Putin is about, putting control back to the state and reigning in oligarchs with connected mafia.
                  Russian mafia informs the state that there is a demand for Novichok that can be traced back to Russia. Russians have also hacked the Institute of Statecraft/Integrity Initiative. Russian secret services are delighted. They are on a campaign to convince their population that the West is targeting them (only we can protect you), same as Western secret services are (they have become slightly obsolete since Gobachev, and there are budget cuts). Now the West is doing it for them. Before the election! Great.
                  So they send a delivery of extremely pure A234, which has been tested as comparatively harmless (so harmless that Mirzayanov published the formula in his book). They also send two goons to stalk CCTV, just in case British police are too meticulous to connect it to Russia. At the next get-together in Cambridge of Russian and British spies everybody will congratulate themselves for the increase in the British budget and the outcome of Russia’s election.

                  1. And this is why I think that the perfume bottle that killed Dawn Sturgess was something different.

                    The perfume bottle was a demonstration to the British state that they could not control stuff that might be brought in via the distribution of drugs.

                    1. Sorry @anidea – are you posting on the right thread? What does that have to do with you trying to ‘fix’ the official narrative with a version that includes incapacitants?

                      What does any of that have to do with the fact that the official narrative on what happened on 4 March is a HOAX and that, as in all hoaxes, crisis actors were used?

                    2. That this incident is used to get money from the taxpayer taken from infrastructure, schools and hospitals.
                      Should Russia decide they want the Baltics (they don’t), they will walk in without NATO firing a single shot. As a matter of fact Lithuania, Estonia, and Poland will beg NATO not to fire a single shot.
                      Europe/Britain needs a security architecture including Russia not excluding it. That would enable Russians to demand pensions, infrastructure, schools and hospitals from their government.
                      What this international of clowns are doing is to rally people around the flag.

                  2. From the RT link
                    ” Two years of Donald Trump’s presidency has brought the international situation back to 1935 when Hitler came to power, according to three-star Russian General Vladimir Shamanov.

                    Speaking at a briefing for foreign military attaches, Shamanov recalled that Hitler had begun preparing Germany for war just two years after coming to power. “Trump has been at the helm for two years, and we see the parallels,” he said.

                    The general, who is head of the lower house’s Committee on Defense, also warned non-nuclear nations that participation in US-led nuclear drills could make them the target of a retaliatory strike by Russia in the event of conflict.”

                    Prepostorous clowns.

    2. “and I was just like I need to ring my mum, like, wow! And yeah, she was OK ”

      Just to put he words of young Abigail into perspective.
      The schoolgirl informed the Chief Nurse of the Army about the incident they both attended the previous day.
      How feasible is that Mummy who works for the Army did not know about the previous day’s incident.
      Abigail leaves for school on the Monday morning and Mummy forgot to mention the news that had the SDH director fielding emergency calls at 5:30am that same morning, and escalating the incident.
      If only our military had phones.
      No, wait they do, because Abigail surprised her Mum at break time with a call, which must be around 10:30am on that eventful Monday.

      1. And there was me thinking how selfless Abigail was, calling to see if her mum was OK, without a thought for herself… or even a slight concern that she might have been contaminated by something.

        You just crushed my illusion by pointing out that it is probably not true.

    1. There were no nerve agents used, let alone a “novichok”. The Skripals had left Salisbury by 4pm that Sunday. Their pets had been taken to safety before then. The perfume bottle idea was a later addition. It was all an elaborate hoax, and many government agencies and individuals were complicit in their own particular areas of the hoax.

      1. Yep. And it is now way beyond the point where any ‘appeal to reasonableness’ or ‘let’s not get carried away’ apply. There is SO much evidence that it was a hoax any such arguments are easy to defeat.

        When you realise it was a hoax, with crisis actors etc., it all comes together.

        As Dr Stephen Davies said, nobody was poisoned with a nerve agent (although he claimed to Rob that he had been misquoted, it has STILL not been corrected by The Times.)

      2. It couldn’t be admitted as a hoax, not now they’ve all been in too deep and for too long. Careers, pensions, reputations and honours are being built on this.

        Meanwhile, amongst the lower orders and outsiders, everyone would scream a bit about how much taxpayer money had been spent, Gavin Williamson would defend such expenditure as ‘in the national interest, money well spent on security issues’ and that embodiment of the Peter Principal, Chris Grayling, would seem almost competent.

  158. Salisbury, 16:50 4 March, 2018… ‘Ring ring. Ring ring.’

    “Hello this is Spencer Mulholland”
    “Hey Spence” Have I got a big one for you! Where are you mate?”
    “I’m just in Sainsbury’s carpark. What’s up?”
    “Great! Spence, get yourself over to the Maltings NOW!”
    “Oh no. Can’t do that.”
    “Spence! What are you talking about? This is BIG! Police, ambulances… supposed to be a couple collapsed on a bench. It’s all taped off. This could be the biggest story since they built Stonehenge!”
    “ No I need to get a picture of the helicopter. Then I need to send some video to Rebecca, she’s waiting for it.”
    “Spence forget the helicopter! Get to the Maltings NOW. This could be front page stuff for the nationals.”
    “Sorry. Can’t.”
    “But Spence, the Queen’s nurse is there! This is big mate!”
    “Maybe but I need to get a picture of the pilot looking at his phone and if I am lucky maybe there will be a police car come by and I can get them talking.”
    “Spence… are you OK?”
    “Yeah, I’m fine. Why? ”
    “But this could be really big Spence… is Marcus there with you?”
    “Yeah, he is.”
    “OK tell him to go.”
    “Can’t do that.”
    “Spence!! Why not??”
    “He’s got the sandwiches and the coffee flask. We’ll be done in 20 minutes or so. I’ll wander by then and get the aftermath. If it’s the Maltings, it’s only 2 minutes away.”

    ‘Click.’

    1. The Image of Pilot talking to WPC driving Police Car. Could She be
      telling Pilot all done at the bench?

      Capricorn One a bit dated now but still a good film regarding a Hoax.

      1. It is all very odd – if the police attended the AA, they obviously knew it was there, so why did they not stay to help? We know that no police were there when the AA left, because a civilian was asked to stop cars entering and leaving the car park while the AA took off. Why?

        1. How far did Pilot walk from Helicopter? I cant trace area where
          image of him talking with Wpc in her car is-was.
          Am I missing something obvious at Sainsbury’s Car Park?

          1. If you were standing facing the helicopter, with Sainsbury’s behind it (where the photofraphers were), the pilot walked about 20m to the right from your viewpoint. There is a road that runs up the side of the car park – the rear of the car was pointing towards Sainsury’s (ish).

        2. “because a civilian was asked to stop cars … ”

          Thought: was this an genuinely random civilian or one planted there?

          There seem to be a lot of bit players in Salisbury, on that cold Sunday afternoon in early March (and the reported bloke who said it wasn’t cold so he hadn’t needed to wear a jacket: I don’t accept his assessment of climate and declare him a kind of cultural or honorary Geordie).

            1. Which makes sense because we know Spencer Mulholland was photographing the AA as it departed and Marcus McNiven was taking the video.

              1. Ah, right. For a moment, I thought you were telling me that the plumber impervious to cold was James Whatley (was he a plumber or a rodent removal specialist, I forget).

                Paul, have you any means of finding out why James Whatley was there?

  159. I thought I saw Sergei and Yulia Skripal on the train from Oxford to London Paddington today.

    3. No, I’m not sure, but they did look rather like them. Unfortunately, I didn’t hear them speak so I don’t know if they had Russian accents. They were with a man in his 20s with a black beard and a woman with blond hair. Sorry, I didn’t take a photo. It was the 17.00 on Sunday, 10 March 2019 from Oxford to London Paddington, stopping at Reading and Slough. I think the other two got off at Reading but I didn’t see the “Skripals” get off.

      1. “I didn’t hear them speak so I don’t know if they had Russian accents”
        Didn’t try to talk to what could be the Skripals – *Facepalm*

        “Sorry, I didn’t take a photo”
        *Double facepalm*

        I wouldn’t worry, Blunderbuss, I can assure you it wasn’t them. While the Skripals are in hiding, it is inconcievable they would use public transport.

        1. Maybe it was a deliberate mistake, as used by attention-seekers Boshirov and Petrov. Perhaps MI6 wanted me to see them.

          1. Perhaps MI6 know who I am and know I post on this blog. They could have put Sergei and Yulia look-alikes on the train, knowing I would see them and report it here. That would then be “evidence” that they are still alive and free to travel.

            I’m beginning to feel like a double or triple agent. I need some Russian Standard vodka.

      1. Unfortunately, I’m the world’s worst witness. There was nothing unusual about their clothes. “Yulia” had blond hair and she was using her mobile phone.

  160. Thanks Liane,

    I have shared these comments before, but Liane’s excellent proof of the impossibility of the perfume bottle makes me even more convinced.
    Even the Counter Terror team must have known that what Charlie did or claimed to have done could not fit with either the delay between early March and the bin find, or the physical container and its role as a Novichok container.

    The bottle Charlie found HAD to contain Novichok, more than likely supplied by Porton Down.
    PD had already made sure that their own swab samples were Novichok positive from Sergei’s house and any other location where it suited HMG.
    For example, it the London hotel used by Alex and Rus needed Novichok, who better than the team from Porton Down to bring it into the room with them.
    A couple of positive swab results, and magically the room is now nerve agen free.
    What happened in the 2 months prior to that does not matter.
    Note the hotel room cleaner or the prostitute have never made it to the media.

    To me, there cannot be a grand conspiracy.
    Grand in that the staff at SDH, the restaurant workers at Zizzi and the Mill Pub, etc.etc could not all be part of the fake Novichok attack.

    The people or teams involved in the fake part must have administered BZ or some other chemical that affect the acetylcholine esterase in Sergei and Yulia.
    Atropine, induced comas, etc would be treatment, and this would allow the SDH chapter to develop as it has.

    Porton Down would advise PHE and SDH, and the hospital staff would defer to the chemical warfare experts for treatment paths and advice.

    This BZ attack would then account for the symptoms, first aid treatment and the non fatal nature of the agent with respect to the Skripals.
    DS Bailey, I believe did not get ill, but his entry into the Skripal home, subsequent sickness, home contamination etc. all fitted into the “deadly and outrageous nature” of Novichok.

    The lack of CCTV footage has intrigued us all.
    However, apart from the duck feed and the actual events at the park bench, maybe there is no relevant CCTV.

    Skripals sprayed at the bench, so don’t show that.
    Duck feed, well we had to have the police identify the boys, but only show it to one set of parents, (who seem somewhat unfocussed, or whatever the politically correct term is for screwballs now is,)

    Possibly every other scene has no significant content.
    No footage of:

    Skripals in the Sunday morning
    GRU agents at the house, dosing the handle
    GRU agents discarding perfume bottle in the recyle bins

    One would think if the Met had any incriminating foorgae, then by now it would be shown.
    Rus and Alex walking around did not indicate much, other than showing they were in Salisbury on the Saturday and Sunday.
    They had to be there because of Yulia’s arrival.

    Not because of Yulia, but because of Yulia being in Salisbury.

    Maybe there was a second GRU team, and Rus and Alex were told to be visible, both in London and Salisbury.
    Leave a trail, but their trail did not matter, as they were not doing anything.

    Team 2 were there also, but not to kill Sergie, (no reason to) and not to kill Yulia either.

    MI5/6 knew something was going on, maybe even something had already gone on, so Plan Boris was enacted to take the Skripals out of circulation.
    The Novichok = Only Russia was a card held up the sleeve for quite a while.
    When the UK secret service were caught out by some sort of transfer or exchange on the Sunday afternoon, the Response Team was mobilised and as soon as Serge left the Mill, the attack was on.

    In fact, because the Zizzi-Mill timeline has been distorted in the HMG version, this must be for a reason.
    The most obvious reason being that at the Mill, or leaving the Mill is when the BZ spray was used.

    Alison McCourt under orders to be there.
    Bailey later told to raid the home.

    The rest we know, including HMG planting the perfume bottle for Charlie to discover.
    Unfortunately, that part of the excercise proved deadly, as that was Novichok

    That means HMG knowingly took a risk and called a member of the public.
    Maybe the intent was that the bottle would be handed in, then identified, OPCW called in, and Bad Russia again blamed.
    Novichok = Russia
    Timing just about right for the World Cup

    1. No Novichok used in Salisbury or Amesbury

      Not the old, mid term, recent or new varieties.

      New Novichok presented to the OPCW.

      No credible evidence that the same chemical that was used in Salisbury was used in Amesbury.

      The only credible evidence that exists says that no Novichok of any vintage was used in either operation.

      1. No credible evidence that the Skripals were at the bench, that Novichok was involved, that it’s the Russians wot dun it, no evidence that the Skripals are still alive or if they are they are in the UK.

        If I was managing a Cover Up I wouldn’t choose to start from that position.

      2. Why use something different if you may as well use some type of “Novichok”? Especially if you know that the variety you use is not that deadly?

    2. With the Salisbury attack I tend to agree with your analysis, not with the Amesbury one.
      – there was no new propaganda campaign after the Amesbury event, rather the campaign more or less stopped, and Skripals – Yulia had a presence before in Britain and Russia (phone calls to her grandmother and Victoria) – disappeared
      – Britain withdrew their proxies (white helmets) from Syria
      – the report on the “Douma chemical attack” did not attribute blame as OPCW had been empowered to do on the day Dawn Sturgess went to hospital
      – the first photographs of “Borishov” and “Petrov” appeared in Swiss media
      (I am still not convinced they are the same people as in the RT interview)
      Plus – the British government had to admit that they were unable to protect their citizens in the case someone intended to use chemical weapons on civilians. If the perfume bottle was in Salisbury in March, police, military, MI5, MI6, whoever, had not been able to find it. Russian diplomats had been expelled, it could not have been them.

      1. – and – football world championship had just finished when Amesbury happend
        – Russian election over in March

        1. Anidea, I think you should change your Blog name to Noidea.
          The 2018 World Cup was June 14th until July 15th 2018.

          Dawn became ill on June 30th and died July 8th.
          If you are going to participate then please get the basics right.

    3. It is not a grand conspiracy. The people at Zizzi and The Mill only know what they have been told since. Whatever sort of ‘attack’ you want to argue, Novichok/BZ – SDH has been consistently lying.

      Was there actually any attack at all? You are saying “yes” – I think the answer is probably “no”. If there had been I am sure there would have been pictures from the scene. There was not time enough for the Met to collect and destroy all the pictures that ought to have been taken… so there are no pictures… so nothing happened.

      It would have been very easy to organise and if it was the end of Toxic Dagger, the public was just kept out of the way.

      We know we are dealing with a hoax. Too much evidence exists – I don’t see why you are trying to say “this part of the hoax was real” (e.g. ‘bench attack’) but this part of the hoax is a hoax (e.g. perfume bottle).

      If we accept that any part of it is a hoax, we should be very careful about what evidence we accept for anything. The default position should be that if there is any suspicion at all, it gets rejected, not accepted!

      If a witness is caught lying in court, the judge will instruct the jury to ignore all that person’s evidence – you cannot pick and choose what you believe when it is coming from a proven liar.

      1. Paul, so Jamie, Freya and young Abigail plus the two plod did not see humans lying prostrate on the bench?

        1. Duncan, what we think changes as new facts become available and in the light of that new information we can revisit previous ideas.

          I believe that Freya was set up as a witness. The CCTV couple were on the bench and Freya saw them – but they had not been poisoned, they were role playing. It would not be very difficult and a couple of minutes later, Freya left. It is FAR too much of a coincidence that the major eyewitness, who was interviewed on Monday afternoon, came from the same place that filmed the CCTV – which we found out on Tuesday! That was not by chance, that was planned. Why did the CCTV couple smile at the camera?

          Ollie Field is in the same category for me, except he wasn’t set up, he just happened to be there.

          I believe that Jamie is a fake witness. There are too many things he said and did not say that his evidence is not credible. The fact that we cannot even be sure who filmed his interview is a very serious problem (that should simply not happen!!). As I said above, in the case of a hoax we should be suspicious before we accept anything. Jamie’s evidence does not pass the smell test for me.

          Abigail McCourt was wheeled in by her mother for a SpireFM Local Hero award! (Why didn’t Jamie even make the shortlist??) Have you listened to what she said? What did she actually do? It is little more than “I saw the woman, then it escalated, then we went home” – she doesn’t even say they went to SDH for decontamination! I don’t buy any of it. If a 16 year old girl was the ‘hero of the moment’ don’t you think we would have heard about her beforehand?

          Another witness that I think was a hoax is Meg Edgar. She is far to smooth (amateur dramatics) and her story makes no sense. Was she there at the start or the end?

          If the attack was real: where are the pictures and why was one of Salisbury’s pre-eminent photographers standing 400 yards away with his hands in his pockets?

  161. THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PERFUME BOTTLE

    Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon said:
    “A year on from the attacks on the Skripals and Det Sgt Bailey in Salisbury, there are parts of the picture that we are continuing to piece together, and I am urging anyone who has information that they have not yet passed to police to do so… The information you have could be crucial to securing the prosecution … In particular, we are keen to hear from anyone who may have seen the counterfeit ‘Nina Ricci’ perfume box or bottle that was recovered from Charlie Rowley’s address in July.
    We cannot account for the whereabouts of the bottle, nozzle or box between the attack on the Skripals on 4 March and when Charlie Rowley said he found it on Wednesday, 27 June.
    Did you see this pink box or glass bottle during that time? Do you have any information about where it might have been discarded?“
    https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/article/4199/Final-site-of-decontamination-declared-safe-in-Salisbury#5c7936496085c4.57425746

    IF the Met would have CCTV of R&A near the Cloister bin, they would not have to ask for witnesses. So they have NO CCTV that links R&A to this bin.
    It seems the Met suspect the Nina Ricci was discarted at another place, where somebody picked it up and later dumped it into the Cloister bin. This is the person to which the Met appeals !

    Logic tells us that IF R & A had sprayed the door handle, they would have disposed of the bottle near Christie Miller Road. Surely they would not have stowed the poison in the backpack again.
    And they certainly would not have put the bottle in the box and sealed it.
    That means we speak about a SECOND BOX !

    R & A never had one of these boxes. I think.
    So far, no evidence has been provided that the Skripals were poisoned with the contents of a Nina Ricci perfume bottle. On the contrary – probably the perfume bottle has nothing to do with the Skripals.

    What can be deduced from this ? It´s up to you… assumptions are welcome.

    Now look at the Met replica bottle video :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=htfLYsu7KEg

    I compared the original bottle with Charlies bottle and the replica.
    The dimensions are all the same :
    https://ibb.co/PWgVXZz

    But it is impossible to stow all 3 parts in the original Nina Ricci box :
    https://ibb.co/HXMB8k9

    Not even if you leave the cap off and attach the sprayer on the bottle :
    https://ibb.co/r4XbwfW

    This means that the inside of the box had to be changed !
    Is that why the Met didn´t show us the inside ?

    1. That is an important point. Maybe the inside was not changed and the applicator was Charlie’s.

      OPCW analyzed a difference in the purity of “toxin” from the Salisbury attack
      “The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities. ”
      and for the perfume bottle
      “that the sample consists of the toxic chemical at a concentration of 97-98%. The sample is therefore considered a neat agent of high purity. The OPCW Designated Laboratories also identified a number of impurities constituting the remaining 2-3% of the sample.”

      Though the first analysis was made from samples who had been in the environment for two weeks, hardly any impurities could be found, so they could not name a percentage of impurities, but the – presumably sealed – perfume bottle had 2-3% impurities.

      My conclusion is that the weapon of attack is unrelated to the perfume bottle though the toxin supposedly used in both cases is the same.

      1. My hunch is that the perfume bottle got lost in the decoy sting games in Salisbury on March 5, and the person that got it for some reason used it end of June.
        OPCW decided on June 27
        “It also calls upon the Secretariat to put in place arrangements “to identify the perpetrators of the use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic by identifying and reporting on all information potentially relevant to the origin of those chemical weapons in those instances in which the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission determines or has determined that use or likely use occurred, and cases for which the OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism has not issued a report”.

        The decision further affirmed that whenever chemical weapons use occurs on the territory of a State Party, “those who were the perpetrators, organisers, sponsors or otherwise involved should be identified” and it underscored “the added value of the Secretariat conducting an independent investigation of an alleged use of chemical weapons with a view to facilitating universal attribution of all chemical weapons attacks”.”

        2. Another thing about the perfume bottle – it is designed for the suspicion that Yulia might have brought it into the country by plane.
          So whose fingerprints were found on it apart from Charlie’s and Dawn’s.
          Whose DNA?

    2. Liane, Excellent graphics but it is even worse than you suggest. There was another part – the cap! The Met claims that R&A had to remove the cap, then insert the sprayer, then attach the applicator – not what Charlie said but nevermind.

      Obviously it is all lies but that is what they said.

    3. Liane
      Can you initiate a translation of the YouTube Victoria Skripal live interview given on 04/03/19. It’s completely in Russian. Live Stream 50m 4/03/19 RUPTLY. Currently on YouTube under heading “Victoria Skripal holds presser on anniversary of Salisbury poisoning” It may or again it may not prove useful in providing some additional information

  162. I am sure Milda will have a field day but I am going to say that the Jamie Paine interview is a very likely hoax.

    The symptoms:
    1) Eyes completely white – no mention of pinprick pupils.
    2) Sergei and Yulia exhibiting rigidity – organophosphate poisoning produces ‘muscle weakness’. See here:
    https://www.healthline.com/health/organophosphate-poisoning#symptoms

    The time sequencing:
    1) Jamie was there before the emergency services were called but only speaks about Yulia being on the ground
    2) Some reports claim he was the one to call the emergency services (see VOA) but he says himself it was ‘”somebody” i.e. not him
    3) He does not explain how Yulia got on the ground
    4) He does not speak about anybody else being there
    5) Abigail McCourt claims she spotted the couple and nobody else was there
    6) If McCourt was there before Jamie, would she allow a ‘passer-by’ to assist? Or not knowing what she was dealing with, would McCourt have told them to keep away?
    7) We do not know when the police cordon was established but would they have allowed a member of the public to remain there, or would they have told him to leave?

    Most curious of all, we do not know who produced the Jamie Paine interview. Was it the BBC, or CBS, or VOA, or somebody else? It is absolutely unclear – which should be impossible. See comments below:
    http://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisoning-one-year-on-an-open-letter-to-the-metropolitan-police/#comment-25825

  164. The special relationship
    https://sputniknews.com/us/201802021061282572-usa-cia-russiagate-pompeo-siege/
    February 2, 2018
    “CIA Director Mike Pompeo hit back at critics skeptical of recent meetings between US and Russian intelligence officials by saying such cooperation is critical to national security and puts less American lives at risk.

    Earlier in the week, Russian Ambassador to the United States Anatoly Antonov said the country’s Foreign Intelligence Service Chief, Sergey Naryshkin, recently held talks with counterparts on US soil, triggering a backlash from lawmakers.
    …
    The head of the CIA explained to the Democratic senator that Moscow and Washington collaborate on aviation security and on preventing foreign fighters from going back to both Russia and the United States.

    Pompeo underscored to Schumer in the letter that meetings with Russian counterparts are frank and focused on the most pressing matters.
    …
    On December 15, Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) said it had prevented a terrorist attack by the Daesh supporters in Saint Petersburg. Russian authorities managed to seize the terrorists prior to the attack thanks to the information provided by US intelligence.

    Shortly after the operation, Russian President Vladimir Putin called US President Donald Trump to thank him for the advanced warning the United States intelligence agencies provided to Moscow. Trump said US agencies were pleased to assist in preventing a terror attack.”

    1. December 2018
      https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/mi6-chief-russia-major-culprit-in-cyber-and-terrorist-attacks-1.798464

      MI6 chief: Russia major culprit in cyber and terrorist attacks

      Alex Younger, chief of the UK’s foreign spy agency MI6, will name Russia as a major proponent of state-sponsored cyber and terrorist attacks, according to an advance copy of a speech he plans to deliver on Monday.

      He will warn the Kremlin not to underestimate Britain’s “determination” and “capabilities”, after Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to melt at least a layer of diplomatic frost at the Group of 20 meeting in Argentina by praising Britain as an “important partner”.

  165. Is it possible that the Air Ambulance picked up someone (MI56) from GCHQ Cheltenham, during those 27 minutes missing at Minety, its only 30 miles north of Minety, on March 4th?

    GCHQ were the ones that possibly made up the Russian message, that was supposedly intercepted by GCHQ Cypress, I think, that ‘the package has been delivered’ shortly after the alleged poisoning. It hasn’t been mentioned again!

    3. It sounds made up, all right.
      More nonsense from Cyprus
      http://knews.kathimerini.com.cy/en/news/russian-message-intercepted-saying-package-has-been-delivered-before-spy-poisoning

      “RAF spooks intercepted a message to Moscow saying ‘the package has been delivered’ shortly after Sergei Skripal and daughter Yulia were poisoned, it has been reported.

      It is understood the information was central to the intelligence package shared with Britain’s allies before more than 100 Russian diplomats were expelled from countries across the world.

      The British Government has repeatedly said it is ‘highly likely’ Russia was behind the attacks in Salisbury despite scientists at military research site Porton Down being unable to confirm that the Novichok nerve agent came from Moscow.

      According to the Sunday Express, intelligence ‘insiders’ revealed two messages sent from Syria to Moscow were intercepted at an RAF listening post in Cyprus on March 3 and 4.”

      ….

      “It comes as the Mail on Sunday revealed the agent used to poison former Russian agent Mr Skripal and his daughter was specially designed to take ‘four hours to kill them’ so their assassins could flee Britain.

      Security sources said the Russians developed a less powerful ‘boutique’ Novichok that could be absorbed through the skin to help their agents avoid capture.

      Novichok is normally administered in gas form and kills its victims within minutes.

      This adjustment to the nerve agent, made after exhaustive scientific tests conducted at a secret Russian scientific establishment, proved a crucial flaw in the double murder bid.

      While it allowed the would-be murderers to escape, it also gave doctors and scientists time to identify the Novichok and treat the patients with antidotes.”
      …

    4. Hello Denise! That Message never happened. Just MSM getting excited and
      shooting blind. More BS much like Novihoax Spraying Drone via MI5…Crap!

    1. :-))

      Your website is fun. So you assume Russia’s government supports Britain’s propaganda blitz on evil Russia because it works for them.

  167. Liane,

    There is something very odd about the Jamie Paine video interview.

    Here is the interview on CBS News (starts at 58 seconds):
    https://www.cbsnews.com/video/former-russian-spy-and-woman-critically-ill-in-u-k/

    And here it is on VOA news (starts around 30 seconds):
    https://www.voanews.com/a/british-cobra-committee-briefed-on-alleged-poisoning-of-russian-double-agent/4284113.html

    It is the exact same video but there is no credit given to the source in either of the above.

    The same piece also appeared on ABC News Australia (I know it did because that was the original link I had kept), but the video has now expired:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-06/second-eyewitness-describes-poisoned-couple/9519166

    Do we know who was the source of this video? It is very odd that it was re-broadcast with no credit to the original source.

    1. The only reason I can immediately come up with is that it was free license and therefore would not be from a commercial outlet. Somebody has recorded the interview and then allowed news agencies to broadcast it as if it is their own original video.

        1. Well it is clearly the same video but if it was from the BBC surely the other stations would acknowledege the source with “courtesy of the BBC” (or similar) or the BBC logo would be on it.

          All 3 stations are showing it as if it is their own original video.

          1. Also look what VOA says in its write up:

            “An eyewitness to the discovery of Skripal and his daughter, Jamie Paine, told British reporters the woman was passed out, frothing at the mouth and her eyes “were wide open, but completely white.” He said, “The man went stiff, his arms stopped moving, but he was still looking dead straight.””

            “British reporters”? What does that mean? If it was from the BBC surely VOA would have said so.

                    1. Something is not right!

                      Here is another one:
                      ““When she was on the floor, her eyes were just completely white,” witness Jamie Paine told CBS News. ”
                      https://thinkprogress.org/the-bizarre-russian-spy-mystery-gripping-the-u-k-da795da05d0b/

                      And on 13 March, the BBC called Jamie a “passer-by”:
                      “Another passer-by, Jamie Paine, said the woman he saw was frothing at the mouth and her eyes “were wide open but completely white”.”

                      In the same BBC article it says:
                      “A doctor, who was shopping with her husband in the city centre on Sunday, said Ms Skripal was “slumped in her seat, completely unconscious” and had lost control of her bodily functions.”

                      Was ‘the doctor’ McCourt? Who was now shopping instead of celebrating a birthday… and no mention of Ms Skripal ‘not breathing’.

                      It’s all over the place!

                    3. Maybe it was all captured by a freelancer and sold first to the BBC, and then either the owner or the BBC somehow syndicated it – each broadcaster is using original footage with their own voice-over and the occasional appearance of a channel presenter.

                      What’s key imo is that the clip featuring Jamie Paine does not include either the reporter (or the camera crew, where ‘crew’ might be a video cam on a tripod, operated by the reporter). He is directing his reply to someone to the left of the camera, and out of shot.

                    4. Should have also added that Jamie Paine’s interview is a typical vox pop set-up – I made the mistake of agreeing to one once, and there was a re-take because I talked to the roving reporter rather than faced the camera.

                    2. And this is the most blatant yet!

                      On 7 March, VOA did an update and re-ran Jamie’s interview. But this time it looks like they are taking credit for the interview. Watch from 38 to 43 seconds – underneath the caption “Jamie Paine – Eyewitness who raised the alert” is a scrolling bar that keeps repeating ‘VOANEWS.COM’ – as if it is their original video.

                      https://www.voanews.com/a/britain-investigation-continues-in-russia-spy-case/4283945.html

                      If anyone is wondering who VOA is, you may know them as Voice of America.

                      From Wiki:
                      “Voice of America (VOA) is a U.S. government-funded international multimedia agency which serves as the United States federal government’s official institution for non-military, external broadcasting, the largest U.S. international broadcaster. VOA produces digital, TV, and radio content in more than 40 languages which it distributes to affiliate stations around the globe. It is primarily viewed by foreign audiences, so VOA programming has an influence on public opinion abroad regarding the United States and its leaders.”

                      Hmm… anyone else smelling a rodent yet?

                    3. The original is BBC with subtitles.
                      The others left out the sentence :
                      “I got a little bit on my skin and my jacket, but wasn´t too much, I just brushed it off.”

                      Here is a screenshot of the original :
                      https://ibb.co/wNSDDs1

                    4. Liane, the closed caption subtitles can be turned on or off.

                      If it was the BBC that was the source, I don’t believe that CBS and VOA would not have ackowledged that fact. Even worse, VOA appears to claim credit!

                      Simply asserting that it was the BBC does not make it true. There is no proof of that.

  168. What is a sting operation?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation

    “In law enforcement, a sting operation is a deceptive operation designed to catch a person committing a crime. A typical sting will have an undercover law enforcement officer, detective, or co-operative member of the public play a role as criminal partner or potential victim and go along with a suspect’s actions to gather evidence of the suspect’s wrongdoing.”

    Pablo Miller was Litvinenko’s and Skripal’s MI6 handler and he is part of the Integrity Initiative.

    In both cases he was in the position to organize sting operations targeting Litvinenko or Skripal. He would also be in the position to plan the timing, the surrounding events (the date of 2018’s toxic dagger had been changed from April to February – which makes no sense if you consider the weather), and the cover-up. Mark Urban and the Integrity Initiative were on standby.

    In the case of Litvinenko there was Bell Pottinger doing the PR.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/05/litvinenko-report-get-it-wrong-putin

    https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/polonium-clean-up-leaves-trail-of-destruction/3003224.article

      1. From the Litvinenko conspiracy theories
        https://www.eurotrib.com/story/2012/12/11/11445/887

        “So, people are smuggling radioactive material through London, and are being tracked by both the FSB and MI6?
        …
        So the frame idea is the most plausible one. And both sides are bluffing and trying to draw out the other party in order to trap them. Lugovi and his pal are, in one scenario, working for the FSB and are offering to supply Litvinenko with polonium to pass on to his Chechen friends. The idea is that it’s a sting operation, once he’s bought the package then they tip off the British authorities, and Litvinenko is busted and destroyed as an irritant. What’s Litvinenko’s game? Unless he’s barking mad, he has no use for the polonium, but perhaps wants to trap the guys and hand them over to the British authorities, with whom he has a working relationship.”

        1. From above link
          ” In this connection, a cable from the U.S. Paris Embassy disclosed by WikiLeaks, which reports a conversation between the Russian special presidential representative Anatoliy Safonov and U.S. ambassador-at-large Henry Crumpton on 7 December 2006, is of interest.

          The Guardian report opens:

          Russia was tracking the assassins of dissident spy Alexander Litvinenko before he was poisoned but was warned off by Britain, which said the situation was “under control”, according to claims made in a leaked US diplomatic cable.

          What the cable actually said was:

          Safonov claimed that Russian authorities in London had known about and followed individuals moving radioactive substances into the city but were told by the British that they were under control before the poisoning took place. “

          1. Anidea All a bit Complicated! Lets Go Back Basics and HMG-TPTB
            Hoax-Fudge-Propaganda.
            Do You believe what is being stated regarding bench 04-03-18?

            1. Why complicate the bench? Mission accomplished after Skripals were poisoned (why use anybody else, Russians are the perfect victims). Everything else would run with a tip to the hospital that a spy was poisoned by organophosphate. Procedures to follow had been practiced in toxic dagger.

              But why was the source of the poison not found? Doorknob “highly unlikely”, Borishov and Petrov far from the bench at 4 p.m., Bailey transporting the weapon to the police station locker room?

              Some incapacitant used known to British authorities but not “Novichok”?

              And what was the role of the perfume bottle that was found later?

  169. Its possible that the AA could have actually flown to Fairford and back on that Sunday, with its transponder off, in the time it was supposedly on the ground at Minety?

    1. Denise, it arrived at Minety at 16:03 and left at 16:30 – there was enough time for it to go almost anywhere in Wiltshire!

      But we do have transponder data showing it landing at Minety and then taking off again, which, for now, I am inclined to believe is real data.

      1. I think that data is real too Paul, I just think its likely that it took off from Minety, for Fairford and returned and landed again at Minety in that 27 minutes. (with its transponder off both ways)

    2. Would it not be against CAA Rules-Law flying with Transponder off?
      Would Aircraft be invisible to ATC other Aircraft-Civil-Military in area?

      Has WAA been grounded due to this action?

      1. @ Mark.

        No, is your answer.

        As long as it is flying in class G airspace and not interacting with ATC in any way. When it gets into the Fairford MATZ and control area it would be a different story unless it was done with the full agreement of the controllers there.

        1. Hi Cascadian! Thanks for reply-answer. I not Aircraft-Operations
          don’t understand. Many Thanks

          1. Airspace (what aircraft fly in) is divided into different classes based on category of use, the labels assigned to them run from A to G. Class G is open for any kind of use, with no specific rules applied other than normal air navigation rules, so you can fly in that without being subject rules applied by by air traffic controllers. Use of a transponder is optional is/was optional.

            MATZ – Military Air Traffic Zone – has a particular horizontal and vertical extent around a military airfield, enter at your own risk, best to talk to their ATC.

            Each airfield with a controller has defined around it a horizontal and vertical zone (an ATZ) that has the requirement aircraft entering must communicate with the controller and access the relevant information regarding conditions, etc.

            So the short answer is that you can fly in class G with any great restriction, but an approach to and landing at an airfield requires that you reach some kind of an agreement with them in doing so.

            Entering any class of airspace other than G requires some communication and agreement of rules.

            It’s complicated.

            1. Hello Cascadian! Thanks for Information but it gone over My Head.
              Think will get a book and study..Can you recommend please?
              Thank You..Best Wishes

    3. Possibly the Air Ambulance was there for photographers to make the fact two people had passed out on a bench look more exiting (and less suspicious that there were suddenly professional photographers around).

      They could not very well tell the media that a spy had been poisoned right from the start but they could make it dramatic by providing the helicopter.

      The “first pictures” the Sun finally got don’t look that exiting.

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5755465/sergei-skripal-daughter-yulia-abandoned-handbag-poison-scene/

    4. My view is (until I see evidence to say otherwise) that the aircraft landed at Minety and SDH

      There is no evidence that it went near Fairford.

      No evidence the US were involved but because of IfS / II I think its Highly Likely they were.

      No need to use WAA, certainly not when 3 photographers have planted themselves on it and it iis parked just a few meters from a Council DD CCTV camera.

      Its important to keep to known facts, brainstorming is useful but without evidence of the hypothesis it has little value.

      If the US were involved they would operate out of their Embassy or an Active Air base.

      The weather was not a problem for car transport that day but the US have helicopters of their own, (painted in any livery they want) as back up contingency.

      If working with the UK the US if they wanted to use aircraft (which they had no reason to) could easily use Middle Wallop or Boscombe Down.

      If working with the UK but doing their own thing on the side then drop a “civilian helicopter” into Old Sarum Airfield,

      Fairford does not work for me, too many holes. I can’t make sense of the Facts we have, no need to add What Ifs if it does not follow a logical path which is what I am seeing.

      We know the UK government and police have lied, we know the UK and US (and every other country’s) media have abandoned the truth of the matter.

          1. LOL! True but there are several data points that make it look like it did land there. There are no data points that indicate it tried to land at SDH.

            1. There are data points that suggest it landed at SDH on PF but not FD

              Why it landed at SDH I don’t know if there was no patient on board unless it was there to pick up the “paramedic(s)” that made there own way there.

              Don’t know why it landed at Minety either but it did appear to be on a PR jolly visiting WAA Donors: Distillery Farm, Flying Monk Brewery, Lansdowne Arms and Derry Hill Golf Club.

              But no evidence it landed at Minety and SDH or evidence that it didn’t land at either. Zero evidence it went near Fairford.

              1. On Plane Finder, there is one data point for SDH:

                Time 17:50
                Height 1600 ft
                Speed 93kts

                That is to say it was flying over SDH. On the other hand, there are several data points around 16:03 showing it slowing and descending at Minety.

                1. We know that PF and FD tracks for the other 3 AA’s in the area that day have been edited and falsified

                  But having just looked at the current PF track it has changed from the one I recorded in August last year

                  Then at Minty

                  Last ping before recording stopped

                  Minety
                  Speed: 2kts (down 43kts)
                  Altitude: 1,100ft ( down 275ft)
                  Time: 16:03

                  First ping when recording started again

                  Minety
                  Speed: 87kts (up 87kts)
                  Altitude: 1,750ft (up 1,750 ft)
                  Time: 16:30

                  Data today

                  Last ping before recording stopped

                  Minety
                  Speed: 144kts
                  Altitude: 1525ft
                  Time: 16:01

                  First ping after recording started again

                  Minety
                  Speed: 0 kts
                  Altitude: 0 ft
                  Time: 16:29

                  1. That is odd. They have removed at least 2 data points of it landing and added one of it taking off – we could calculate this new point though from the previous data:

                    Speed: 87kts (up 87kts)
                    Altitude: 1,750ft (up 1,750 ft)
                    Tells us that the previous data point was 0,0.

                    At least we know for sure it did land at Minety – 0ft sounds pretty close to the ground!

                    1. Its been edited for a reason but if you go to and start at 4:05 you will see that the aircraft does not follow the blue line (the pointy N / S bit above Minety)

                      It Simply goes off transponder at 4:05 and does not come back on until 4:30

                      Here is the track at 4:04:58, 2 seconds later it goes off track

                      https://ibb.co/VMYcfYn

                      No idea why they have done this

                      The original track shape is different too

                    2. The new track suggests it could have carried on N at 4:05 and returned to Distillery Farm at 4:30 and turned the tracker back on.

                      Who knows, the messing about they have done with PF and FD tracks for all 4 AA’s means something was going on they don’t want us to know about.

                    3. The FD data for the last 4 points before landing is:

                      registration: G-WLTS
                      altitude: 575
                      speed: 13
                      lat: 51.60498
                      long: -1.95587
                      time: 2018-03-04 16:03:31

                      registration: G-WLTS
                      altitude: 1100
                      speed: 11
                      lat: 51.604889
                      long: -1.955863
                      time: 2018-03-04 16:03:32

                      registration: G-WLTS
                      altitude: 1100
                      speed: 8
                      lat: 51.604691
                      long: -1.955872
                      time: 2018-03-04 16:03:37

                      registration: G-WLTS
                      altitude: 550
                      speed: 8
                      lat: 51.604691
                      long: -1.95588
                      time: 2018-03-04 16:03:38

                      If that data is accurate, those onboard would be rather sea-sick! From 575ft to 1100ft to 550ft in 7 seconds.

                  2. Peter, is this for helicopter registration G-WLTS? I’m looking at https://planefinder.net/data/aircraft/G-WLTS but it only goes back as far as 2018-12-07 20:55.

                    Is there another website that goes back to Mar 2018?

                    If you have evidence that the flight tracking data has been altered, then this could be huge news. I woud submit the evidence to the newspapers and Wikileaks. And also write to WAA and PlaneFinder to ask for an explanation.

                    1. Yes Plane Finder (PF) goes back to 4th March 2018 as does Flight Data (FD)

                      Its was a bit complicated and now it is extremely complicated because tracks on both have been modified, deleted an added for all 4 Air Ambulances in the Area.

                      You need to play with both to get a hang of them but here is some current tracks for G-WLTS that will allow you to get started.

                      The other Air Ambulances (AA) active in the area that day are G-HEMN (E & S), G-EMAA (N), and G-SASR (S)

                      They are all interesting for different reasons, EMAA currently deleted completely off both PF and FD. HEMN very different tracls on PF and FD, now no URL can be found on PF (I’ll explain that later), Also HEMN had its 4th March track duplicated onto the data record for the 5th March.(I’ll explain that later too.

                      Past and current tracks have been archived onto secure servers so the evidence should remain safe.

                      A Starting point

                      G-WLTS
                      406CBC
                      HELIME22

                      https://planefinder.net/flight/HELIME22/time/2018-03-04T16:30:00.000Z/speed/8

                      https://flight-data.adsbexchange.com/map?icao=406CBC&date=2018-03-04

                    2. G-HEMN
                      4067BF
                      HELIME85 / HMD85 / HELIMED 85

                      4th March 2018

                      https://planefinder.net/flight/4067BF/time/2018-03-04T15:50:00.000Z/speed/1

                      https://flight-data.adsbexchange.com/map?icao=4067BF&date=2018-03-04

                      On the Plane Finder track, pause the running of the clock with the Blue Pause Button

                      Look at the URL

                      Click on any other aircraft, look at the URL, try a few, return to the Helicopter G-HEMN, Click on that, look at the URL.

                      Copy the URL of any other aircraft, put it into a new page, the URL remains but not with HEMN

                      Note track disappears after 15:55 – pause, reset clock back to 15:50 and press play

                      Zoom in for deatil

                      Change to satellite view – Settings (top right), Increase brightness by reducing “map dimming”

                    6. Peter, thanks for the info below. (I had to reply up here because there was no “reply” button on your comments.)

                      Fascinating that the flight data appears to have been changed. It would be interesting to see the original and the aftered flight paths drawn side by side to see what has been changed.
                      Do you have access to the original and the altered flight data to do this?

                2. Do all 4 air ambulances belong to Wiltshire or do some of them belong to other trusts?

                  I wasn’t aware that tracks had been edited. I assume that’s illegal but that wouldn’t worry MI56.

      2. “So it is time and past time for the supposedly responsible U.S. media to take a serious look at the case.”

        https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/steele_and_skripal_a_unified_theory.html

        Yeh good luck with that.

        However their legal people don’t look like they will give up on Steele. And IfS / II have created such a balls up in Europe that if the Countries that were allowing their Democracies to be polluted by Subversive US skulduggery don’t take a proactive position on US aggressive interference the US can be sure that there will be severe damage done to future relationships.

        The US is in Trouble Big Timey at home and abroad, they have been found out, they either sort their own poo out out or it will be done for them, and not just by Russia and China, they have now taken on the Middle East and Europe and there will be repercussions.

      3. All the US would have to do is tell official Britain to stop it. They took a while to swing behind Theresa May’s Russia claim.

        1. This Guardian 2010 Litvinenko (mostly) article tells something about Russian – US secret service cooperation – MI6 is not part of it
          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/11/wilileaks-cables-litvinenko-murder

          “During the dinner, Crumpton, who ran the CIA’s Afghanistan operations before becoming the US ambassador for counter-terrorism, and Safonov, an ex-KGB colonel-general, discussed ways the two countries could work together to tackle terrorism. The memo records that “Safonov opened the meeting by expressing his appreciation for US/Russian co-operative efforts thus far. He cited the recent events in London – specifically the murder of a former Russian spy by exposure to radioactive agents – as evidence of how great the threat remained and how much more there was to do on the co-operative front.”

          The memo contains an observation from US embassy officials that Safonov’s comments suggested Russia “was not involved in the killing, although Safonov did not offer any further explanation”.

          Later the memo records that Safonov claimed that “Russian authorities in London had known about and followed individuals moving radioactive substances into the city but were told by the British that they were under control before the poisoning took place”.

          “The claims come after Britain announced that Katia Zatuliveter, a 25-year-old Russian working for the Liberal Democrat MP Mike Hancock, is to be deported amid suspicions she was spying for the Kremlin, a charge she plans to contest.

          Alexander Sternik, chargé d’affaires at Russia’s embassy in London, hinted that the deportation could trigger tit-for-tat expulsions and denounced the move as a “PR stunt” designed to mask Britain’s own problems. “These problems are many over the last couple of months,” Sternik said. “You can cite the unflattering leaks from WikiLeaks and [England’s] unsuccessful [World Cup] bid.“”

  170. Dear Blogmirers, I don’t know if this happened but I think it might have done.

    The point is to try to devise a theory that fits the facts and explains as many of the ‘unexplained’ issues as possible – then to see if there is any real evidence we have that could disprove the theory.

    What if:

    The bench was a wrap up for Toxic Dagger: “Simulated chemical attack on a British city”.

    The AA was part of the simulation. The Brits and US were working together on Toxic Dagger. The helicopter flew to Minety to pick up some US military types, who had driven down from Fairford – George Lawrence then did whatever he was told by them. Photographers were told the AA would be part of the afternoon’s events and were asked to be there (but to keep it all hush hush).

    The Skripals were supposed to be part of the simulation. They would walk down Market Walk, smile at the right camera then sit on the bench. They had been told that minutes later the area would be cleared, they would be driven away to wherever it was that they were supposed to go and a story would be put out that they had been attacked and taken to SDH, where they would later be said to have died.

    But Sergei had done his own deal and the US had changed a few bits of Toxic Dagger without telling the Brits.

    Sergei and Yulia left from The Mill and (US organised) replacement Sergei and Yulia made the walk down Market Walk carrying Yulia’s red bag.

    Real Sergei went off with the Russians, Yulia went with the Americans and ended up in the helicopter. George was only then told to fly them to Fairford and do the loop back over SDH, to make it look like that is where they had been. This was the bit of the AA’s plan that upset the Brits because they didn’t know that was going to happen – they thought she was going to be on the bench.

    Meanwhile, Toxic Dagger was underway in the Maltings. The area was cleared by around 16:10 so no pictures exist – is it possible that CCTV cameras were switched off in advance of the ‘show’? As part of Toxic Dagger that could have easily been done. McCourt, as chief nurse of the whole British army (that makes her ‘nurse to the Queen’) oversaw events.

    This is what her daughter told SpireFM. Listen out for her description of events at the bench:
    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/vp/audiojs/popout/?audio=https%3A%2F%2Fcml.sad.ukrd.com%2Faudio%2F742540.mp3&d=&tracklength=02%3A24&t=0

    Then Toxic Dagger “simulated cleanup” took place.

    Nothing real happened and NO chemicals were used on anybody.

      1. “Why pick up at Minety” – because transponders were on at the start of the trip. If AA had gone to Fairford, we would have seen it. George was not in on what was going to happen, it was kept as normal as possible for him.

        “Why not drive down from Fairford” and “why not drive Yulia to Fairford” – very bad weather was forecast for the w/e. They needed to be sure of getting Yulia back to Fairford and AA was the best means of transportation. AA was already scheduled to be part of Toxic Dagger exercise, so why not use it?

        CCTV – Matthew Dean says high quality CCTV was available but he does not specifically say it caught the bench incident. That is the SJ reporter. Dean also refuses to say if the cameras were manned. TBH it doesn’t really matter because even if CCTV does exist showing everything, we will never see it.

      2. The comments, at the time under the camera’s were working story, are interesting:

        The Salisbury Journal editor chimes in to defend the police not releasing any CCTV,
        so much for investigative journalism.

        I wonder what the deleted ones had to say?

        *****
        LnJ 13th March 2018 7:02 am
        Good to hear the CCTV is working and has been able to assist the police in their investigations. Embarrassing however that we no longer have a fully fledged police station in Salisbury

        Everyone’s Charlie 13th March 2018 9:51 am
        LnJ wrote: Good to hear the CCTV is working and has been able to assist the police in their investigations.
        Embarrassing however that we no longer have a fully fledged police station in Salisbury.
        If it’s working, why is the only footage released from very poor quality CCTV from other businesses.

        Joe Riddle (Editor) 13th March 2018 6:21 pm
        To be fair the Met police will be in control of what CCTV images, if any, are officially released. They won’t release any unless it directly helps their investigation. The two bits of footage we have seen so far were not released by the police, but were obtained from private businesses by journalists. I think the decision to release images goes above the city council at this stage.

        zexu 13th March 2018 9:09 am
        I don’t believe for one minute that the Salisbury CCTV system is operational.
        The incompetent councillors (County and City) have a lot of explaining to do on this one!

        Everyone’s Charlie 13th March 2018 9:48 am
        zexu wrote: I don’t believe for one minute that the Salisbury CCTV system is operational.The incompetent councillors (County and City) have a lot of explaining to do on this one!
        Exactly

        barney gumble 13th March 2018 9:19 am
        Matthew dean looks like an extremely creepy man!

        PerplexedofSalisbury 13th March 2018 9:13 pm
        Grow up

        [Deleted]13th March 2018 9:50 am
        [Deleted]

        [Deleted] 13th March 2018 10:05 am
        [Deleted]

        Everyone’s Charlie 13th March 2018 10:08 am
        Where is it then ?? cameras pointed both ways down Market Walk yet the only CCTV is from the gym ? Cameras pointed directly at the bench where they were found … nothing.. camera outside Cote looking towards the Mill … nothing.
        Where were the people operating the cameras who should have been tracking suspicious behaviour (and reports say the pair were acting strangely when leaving ZizzI)
        The council have been told repeatedly for over 2 years to sort out the CCTV debacle. It’s time for the truth and for resignations instead of misleading information.

        You say what? 14th March 2018 7:15 am
        While the lack of a functioning monitored cctv may be a concern, they must be turned on and the police must have access. Anything less would be a total lie and would be easily exposed.
        As for the release of images, this is controlled by the police and not the council. Presumably the police are viewing all available footage, but hey know that any release of images is not going to add value. Should they come across something of interest, it will be released.

        fryday 14th March 2018 3:03 am
        Matthew Dean looks like he owns a pig farm.

        I didn’t vote Tory 14th March 2018 9:55 pm
        If the CCTV was working, why did it take so long to work out the timeline?
        If the CCTV was working, why was the gym’s CCTV first announced as the poisoned couple, when clearly, they were a different couple altogether?
        *****

        1. Joe Riddle (Editor) 13th March 2018 6:21 pm
          „The two bits of footage we have seen so far were not released by the police, but were obtained from private businesses by journalists.“

          Remember that I always said that Snap Fitness and Jenny´s restaurant CCTV was released by journalists and NOT by the police ?
          Joe Riddle confirms it !
          We would have seen not a single CCTV if not obtained by journalists.
          The same with the BMW CCTV and Dauwalders CCTV.

    2. Sounds good! Toxic Dagger in closing stages would explain Specialists
      being in area-SDH [That’s Not Coincidental]
      People can laugh at theory of Mannequin-Dummy’s being used at bench
      but Military do use them and plenty would be readily available at this time.

      It’s a fair comment-suggestion-theory!

      1. “Sergei was still rigidly fixed in a sitting position, so it was hard to manoeuvre him on to a stretcher. ”

        “…why is he taking no notice of her?” says Ms Edgar, 68. “He was just so still.””

        Neither of those sound real to me.

        Why was ‘Yulia’ not stiff as a board too? Or Bailey? Or Dawn? Or Charlie?

        Funny stuff this novihoax!

        1. And note, Meg Edgar only arrived around 16:50 (if it is true at all) so had ‘Sergei’ been sitting there, motionless, for almost an hour? And Meg only speaks about paramedics attending to ‘Yulia’ – what about poor old Sergei? Did they just leave him sitting there alone until they tried to shove him into an ambulance?

          1. Right! Now listen to this:
            https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-wiltshire-45381853/retired-teacher-recalls-salisbury-novichok-incident

            Meg Edgar is now saying that the policeman asked her to move back “and put up the first piece of blue and white tape”.

            So how can she have been there at the beginning, when they put up the first piece of tape and then again near the end, when the helicopter arrived?

            There is at least a 35 minute time difference between those 2 events! Apparently both witnessed by Meg Edgar!

            1. Also, in the FM Spire interview, young Abigail tells us that Yulia was not breathing when she and her Army Nurse mum first administered first.
              Is this when Yulia had her throat incision?

              1. I don’t know if we have any medics who could comment but as I understand it, in a real situation, they would first remove any obvious obstruction, make sure the tongue is not blocking the airway, then put them on the ground in the ‘recovery position’.

                Dawn wasn’t breathing when the paramedics arrived for her, but (as far as I know) they did not proceed with a tracheostomy.

          2. Indeed Paul! Why give First Aid to a rigid Dummy [Sergei] He gone
            AWOL from rear Mill Pub into History!

          1. Titter Ye Not Sir! What You Say True…Have You ever put Corpse in
            Body Bag?
            A Dummy so much easier. You don’t need to break limbs!
            You don’t know what goes on with your Loved Ones…Trust Me!

            I Have done this task..Not Pleasant but needs doing with respect!

    3. Army website:
      Exercise Toxic Dagger: training the UK military to mitigate CBRN threats
      The three-week programme includes company-level attacks and scenarios utilising CBRN vignettes, concluding with a full-scale exercise involving government and industry scientists, and more than 300 military personnel.

      “vignette” in English. › a short piece of writing, music, acting,

      1. Good point Anonymous1 and I think there is a meaning behind the name “Toxic Dagger” as well.

    4. St John Ambulance:

      Unresponsive and not breathing adult – CPR
      If an adult is unresponsive and not breathing, you’ll need to do CPR (which is short for
      cardiopulmonary resuscitation). CPR involves giving someone a combination of chest compressions and rescue breaths to keep their heart and circulation going to try to save their life. If they start breathing normally again, stop CPR and put them in the recovery position.

      • To check if someone is unresponsive and not breathing, you need to assess the casualty using the Primary Survey.
      • If you find they’re unresponsive and not breathing then you’ll need to call 999/112 for emergency medical help.

      So why did Abigail say they didn’t need to do resuscitation?

  172. City Stay Hotel – What evidence is there that the Russian suspects stayed here?

    4th March pair found poisoned on bench in Salisbury

    4th May police search room at city Stay Hotel

    4th May swabs are taken from the room, sent to Porton Down, Novichok detected.

    4th May further swabs taken from the room, sent to Porton Down, results negative.

    4th May room declared safe

    5th Sept Owner and staff of hotel alerted to Novichok find two months earlier

    “Police said hotel staff were unaware the pair had stayed at the hotel until yesterday (Weds), despite police finding Novichok traces in early May – two months after the duo had stayed.”

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-two-star-60-night-13198605

    “Professor Sally Davies said anyone who stayed at the City Stay hotel, in Bow, east of the capital between 4 March – the day Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov checked out – and 4 May, when it was deemed safe, should get in touch.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/05/guests-at-hotel-used-by-novichok-suspects-urged-to-contact-police

    “Officers did not search their room until May 4 – two months after the Skripals were discovered unconscious on a park bench in Salisbury – but when they did, they found traces of Novichok.”

    “Scotland Yard briefed journalists today, and Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, National Lead for Counter Terrorism Policing said: “On 4 May, 2018, tests were carried out in the hotel room where the suspects had stayed.
    “A number of samples were tested at DSTL at Porton Down. Two swabs showed contamination of Novichok at levels below that which would cause concern for public health.
    “A decision was made to take further samples from the room as a precautionary measure, including in the same areas originally tested, and all results came back negative.
    “We believe the first process of taking swabs removed the contamination, so low were the traces of Novichok in the room.
    “Following these tests, experts deemed the room was safe and that it posed no risk to the public.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/05/guests-two-star-london-hotel-salisbury-suspects-stayed-told/

  173. Its looking more and more like it was a hoax at the bench. The MoD has these dummies.

    “This life-like medical dummy comes complete with internal organs

    This might look like a real person but trust us, it’s not. It’s actually a dummy created to train military surgeons. But we wouldn’t blame you if you thought it was an actual corpse considering it has internal organs as well.

    ‘This looks like a great opportunity to prank someone horribly,’ wrote one Facebook user.

    The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has ordered a couple of medical dummies and they should be delivered next year.” (2017)

    Be careful, the video in the article is very explicit!

    From: https://metro.co.uk/2016/09/30/this-life-like-medical-dummy-comes-complete-with-internal-organs-6162594/

    2. Well 3-D Dummy’s! So a 3-D Fake Perfume Bottle-Box Minus Bacon Wrapping
      Is Not A Problem. Just showing how easy it would be staging a hoax at bench.

      If TPTB-HMG-MI56 staging a fake-hoax they would go all the way would they not?

  174. Ten quick questions:

    Why is there no CCTV?
    Why are there no photographs of the bench area between 4pm and 5pm?
    Why were 3 photographers standing 400 yards away?
    Why did the photographers rush video of the AA to the SJ?
    Why was the bench not cleared until 5:10 – SDH was only minutes away?
    Why was the bench area so clean by 5:15?
    Why were we told Yulia was in the AA?
    Why was a taxi driver from Melksham waiting by the AA?
    Why did Abigail McCourt “go home” instead of to SDH for decontamination?
    Why did nobody at the bench get contaminated – did NOBODY touch the ‘Skripals’ hands?

    1. Reminds me of a visit to the (now sadly deceased) North Woolwich Old Station Museum. There were some men with machine guns there. I was a bit taken aback but it turned out they were making a film.

    1. I guess it ultimately means we have to rely on honest, good US politicians to put this right because we don’t have a single MP out of 650 that will put their neck on the block.

    1. Craig Murray:

      “Similarly the metadata on the famous CCTV images of Boshirov and Petrov in Salisbury, published in September by the Met Police, showed that all the stills were prepared by the Met on the morning of 9 May – a full four months before they were released to the public. But this makes no sense at all. Why wait a full four months for people’s memories to fade before issuing an appeal to the public for information? This makes no sense at all from an investigation viewpoint. It makes even less sense from a public health viewpoint.”

      1. Why wait? Because imo it wouldn’t have happened at all, except the Dawn and Charlie story made the Skripal incident newsworthy again. Before Dawn and Charlie fell ill, TPTB were watching all the Salisbury excitement melt away from the collective butterfly mind of those who consume, digest (but don’t assimilate) and then move on to fresh pastures.

        (I wonder if there’s any data anywhere that compares the attention span of a sheep to that of a goldfish … )

        1. @ eleanor

          Q: (I wonder if there’s any data anywhere that compares the attention span of a sheep to that of a goldfish … )

          R: Just switch on your TV and you’ll have all the data you need.

  178. Who believes this:

    “The uniformed officers called CID and a duty inspector. They helped get the Skripals into ambulances. Sergei was still rigidly fixed in a sitting position, so it was hard to manoeuvre him on to a stretcher. CID officers attended. “They were like: ‘That’s fine, everything’s OK’, and off they went again,” said Holloway.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/14/we-did-our-best-police-who-rushed-to-skripal-scene-tell-of-shock-and-pride

    “…rigidly fixed in a sitting position” – what, you mean like a mannequin?

    ‘The bench’ was a LARP scenario at the end of Toxic Dagger! That is why McCourt was there!

    The police cordon kept people away so they could not see anything or take any pictures.

    The ‘female’ wasn’t breathing… because it was a mannequin too!

    HOAX!!

      1. Well that at least explains why there are no photographs and when they had finished their fun and games, one of the coppers thought it was all over and let people through again (because nothing had really happened there) but then he was told to put the cordon back up and in came all the firemen in full “beetle suits” to ‘decontaminate”…

        Show me a picture or it didn’t happen!

    2. I remember you pushed the idea that the people on the bench had been the CCTV couple. Now you are saying that there were mannequins on the bench, not human beings. Congrats.

      1. Do you still not get it Milda?

        The CCTV couple did sit on the bench and Freya did see them – she was set up as the key witness. Other people also saw them – I am guessing Olie Field was another who was not in on the game because he said the wrong thing about hair colour. The witnesses who only saw them sitting on the bench were probably real but they were all early witnesses. Throw in a handful of fake witnesses working to a script: “then they put Yulia on the ground”, “Sergei was as stiff as a board” etc. and you have all the witnesses you need to keep the MSM happy.

        Soon thereafter, the police arrived and set up a cordon, pushing the public back so they could not then see what happened afterwards. How was the police car on the Jenny’s video able to drive so quickly down Market Walk without knocking over pedestrians? Because the police were already stopping people from getting near to the bench. At that point the CCTV couple stood up and did whatever they did.

        Cue McCourt.

        It was all a hoax.

        It will be very easy to prove me wrong. The CCTV will do it. Why have we not seen it? Why have we not seen a single photograph?

        2. Oh, BBC has removed the Jamie Paine video from the article…
          But I´ve saved it (including screenshots) :

          Jamie Paine in the BBC video : „So I was walking down the pathway just with a friend. And we noticed in the distance – she noticed first, just over on the bench, the lady just sort of passed out. Her eyes were completely white, they were wide open but just white. And she was frothing at the mouth. And then the man went stiff, his arms stopped moving. He was still looking dead straight.
          I started wiping his mouth, because he was frothing quite a lot. I got a little bit on my skin and my jacket, but wasn´t too much, I just brushed it off. And I put some [wipes] under the lady´s mouth on the floor. But she was completely unconscious. Someone managed to get through to the [emergency] services. Police came about five minutes, 10 minutes later. And then the man started throwing up.“

          Jamie Paine in euronews : “It was like her body was dead,” he said, of the woman, who police says was known to Skripal.
          “Her legs were really stiff… you know when animals die, they have rigor mortis. Both her legs came together when people pulled (her), and when she was on the floor her eyes were just completely white. They were wide open but just white and frothing at the mouth. Then the man went stiff: his arms stopped moving, but he’s still looking dead straight.”

          Jamie Paine walked past the pair, just before the emergency services arrived:
          “His arms [Sergei’s] were just up – vertical – you can see he was just trying to speak but nothing was coming out. At first his hands were shaking and then he went stiff and just started frothing, spit and saliva coming out of his mouth.”
          – Jamie Paine, eyewitness
          https://www.itv.com/news/2018-03-22/britain-v-russia-a-new-cold-war-tonight/

          1. I did mention Jamie in one of the comments below actually Liane.

            I am still looking at other things Jamie said so this is not my final answer but just taking your from quotes above:

            1) “the lady just sort of passed out. Her eyes were completely white, they were wide open but just white” – so no pinpoint/pinprick pupils.

            2) “And she was frothing at the mouth” – so she must have still been breathing.

            3) “And I put some [wipes] under the lady´s mouth on the floor. But she was completely unconscious” – how did the lady get onto the floor? There is no mention of McCourt in anything Jamies said! Also no mention that the lady stopped breathing.

            4) Who put the lady on the floor – Jamie THEN says this was before “Someone managed to get through to the [emergency] services” – so WHO was there at that time? McCourt? Why does Jamie not mention her anywhere?

        3. “At that point the CCTV couple stood up…” And then, judging from your comment of March 8, 5:08 pm, mannequins were placed on the bench. I wonder whether there are limits to absurdities you come up with.

            1. Milda has to read them, Paul.

              It’s sort of like Opus Dei (as described in one of Dan Brown’s books) – to prove one’s worth (in the face of God) one has to torture oneself to show the ability to withstand the pain.

    3. What People? All looking at WAA landing Sainsbury’s. All on a
      busy Sunday early closing.
      Only People about are Highly Trained Shoppers when Shops
      closed-closing. National Express Witness Bus On Standby…

      1. Life is on computer gaming GTA-Other. Cheep TV Programming.
        They don’t understand that Dead Is Dead!
        You don’t get another go at life with bonus points…………

        Living in a Cyber World where blue lights-helicopters-knifes
        poisonings-acid attacks are fun….Get 1000 Life Points..Ding!
        Drive like a D*** Head…Ring A Ding Ding…

    2. That is just not true.

      Do a search on “Lee Rigby” and check images. Several images of his murderer with blood all over his hands still holding the chopper!

      ANY big event there will be pictures! Salisbury bench…. nothing!

      2. In the Lee Rigby case it seems people were prodded (forced?) by the attackers to do so
        https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/19/woolwich-attack-first-uk-murder-transmitted-live-internet
        “With the blood of his victim still fresh on his hands, Michael Adebolajo used the camera phone of a passerby to tell the world why he had only moments earlier butchered a soldier on a London street.

        In the first British murder to play out live on the internet, horrified onlookers posted minute-by-minute updates as the appalling scene played out in front of them. The full 16 minutes of the incident – from the moment Rigby was mowed down to the suspects being apprehended by police – was transmitted in real time to the world by smartphone-wielding onlookers in Artillery Place, south London.

        Adebolajo actively sought out a witness with a camera phone to deliver what he saw as a 21st-century press conference. It was supposed to be his martyrdom video. But there were no satellite trucks or television crews, only a handful of bystanders armed with a smartphone.”

        plus

        “The BBC and ITV received around 800 complaints from airing the footage, with viewers either distressed about the clip or aggrieved at the broadcasters for lending a platform to the fanatical murderers. But by that time, Adebolajo’s video was already out there.”

        2. So what You saying? Respect for Victims Only Happens Within U.K.
          Rubbish! Any Public at-near Bench 04-03-18 would be taking pictures
          video of alleged event.
          It Never Happened…All Hoax

        3. CCTV Showed Hit On Rigby-Street Camera Unfolding Murder!
          Silver Vauxhall Tiggra Ramming Mowing Him Down!!

          R.I.P L.Rigby.

          Alleged Poisoning Salisbury Bench…NIL..?

    3. Sadly, what Mark and Paul said. Don’t believe me? See here, and then check the news search results:

      https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=note+left+on+ambulance

      Many people are decent enough but, if the internet has taught us anything, it’s that too many people are not in this post-Referendum age (at least here in England).

      What’s the betting that at least some of the impounded images are selfies?

      An essential part of this cover-up, what some call a hoax and I think of as a staged event, is removing as much private eye-witness, visual, video and image coverage of anything associated with the bench incident, from the public domain. Although I had thought initially DSNB went to 47CMR – at whatever time he went – was for the purpose of removing data (cyber or otherwise, whatever Sergei might have worked on, recent or earlier), I now tend to think that the purpose was to remove any cctv data; once this was removed, any other sensitive material could be retrieved later because a police presence meant it was protected.

  180. There is clear disinformation by FCO on the British government website’s youtube videos
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/novichok-nerve-agent-use-in-salisbury-uk-government-response
    first video – “OPCW confirmed military grade nerve agent, a novichok” – neither OPCW nor Porton Down did that
    purity – “only possible in a expertly controlled environment more likely found in a state” – ie a laboratory
    second video – “violation of CWC” – not if produced in a laboratory as purity suggests
    – the video pretends samples were sent to OPCW to verify that Russia was responsible for the attack – Spiez laboratory gave a press conference recently stating categorically that they analyze substances but do not analyze where they comes from

  181. OK – the more you think about it, the more it stinks!

    There were 3 photographers standing approx 400 yards from the bench waiting for the AA, including one of Salisbury’s best know professionals, Spencer Mullholland, who has had dozens of pictures published. None of them thought it was worth popping over to the Maltings to see what was happening and take a few pictures of the scene itself?

    Rebecca Hudson’s timeline of events starts at 5:16pm when she says the SJ received the video of the AA. What had they been doing for the previous hour? Did nobody call the SJ and say: “you better get down here!” How did they not know something was happening? Anyway, at 5:43pm, according to her timeline, she “heads to the scene”… but everyone had gone by then… she was an hour too late. The SJ’s pictures show the aftermath.

    Tom Belk had been involved in a football game he heard the helicopter but got there “two minutes after the AA left with Yulia onboard”… pity he wasn’t ten minutes earlier.

    I have found another ’witness’ who I do not believe has been cited elsewhere:

    “A worker at the shopping centre, Richard Eyre, told Euronews he had seen the aftermath of the incident and shared a photograph of the scene on Monday morning.
    “I saw and heard the air ambulance helicopter, Sunday afternoon or evening, and the fire service in protective suits decontaminating the area.””
    https://www.euronews.com/2018/03/06/uk-was-critically-ill-former-russian-spy-poisoned-

    Richard Eyre even took a picture… on Monday morning!

    So once again, a bit too late to see anything happening at the bench but heard the helicopter and saw the aftermath…

    Then you have this:

    “Late last Sunday afternoon, Meg Edgar, a retired teacher, was walking home past the Maltings shopping centre in Salisbury, when she spotted something odd. On a bench near Sainsbury’s supermarket, a man sat motionless. A younger woman lay on the ground, a paramedic hunched over her. “I thought someone had had a bit of an argument — why is he taking no notice of her?” says Ms Edgar, 68. “He was just so still.” Another paramedic came running. Then Ms Edgar heard police sirens and helicopters overhead.”
    https://www.ft.com/content/c713dd5e-238b-11e8-ae48-60d3531b7d11
    [Paywall]

    So Meg heard the helicopter too! She must arrived at 16:50ish.

    Is this not getting a bit repetitive? Everyone “heard the helicopter”… which didn’t actually do anything.

    The professional photographers stuck like glue to the helicopter… is this because that was all there was to see? Are they the only contemporaneous pictures… because NOTHING was happening in the Maltings at that time?

    Then on Monday evening, the SJ reports that the BBC has said Sergei was a real Russian spy! But they didn’t have a single picture of the scene at the Maltings where he was supposed to have been attacked. How much would a picture of the scene at 16:30 on Sunday in the Maltings have been worth at that point? Every paper would have bought it!

    1. The helicopter photographers must not have been at all curious about why the helicopter had arrived, they had their shots of it landing but did not follow the paramedic(s) to see what the fuss was all about.

      They instead waited for it to take off again, the newspapers who bought their photos must have wished they had photographers with more initiative.

      But having said that quite a few of them stated Yulia was taken by the aircraft, one said Sergei went in it too.

      Not one was interested in where the paramedic(s) got to, they did not return to the aircraft according to a witness.

      Selective reporting, selective photos, indiscriminate lies.

      1. True! But we all see images on Facebook of Accidents-Incidents within our-your
        local area.
        Public are very nosey-inquisitive and are attracted like magnets to blue lights
        sirens-helicopters.
        Did anyone see Yulia stretchered to AA or put in Ambulance and transported to
        Helicopter landing site-Sainsbury Car Park?
        Only Image we have is a Red Taxi and Pilot looking for a lost Paramedic….?

        Only Information We Got Is What TPTB Are Telling…..BS!

    3. Agree! The only pictures we have that show that ANYTHING happened between 4:15 and 5:15 is 3 pictures of the AA from the SJ. That is it. Nothing else!

      Re Nigel and his red taxi – he had come a long way to be there. Melksham to Salisbury is 30 miles by car – at least an hour. You would not hire a taxi from Melksham to go shopping at Sainsbury’s!

      “Was Nigel at Mill carpark?” – don’t know. “Was Yulia in the taxi?” – very possible.

      We do have a witness who says Sergei and Yulia were seperated some time after The Mill…

    4. Duncan,

      We are watching a hoax unfold in real time. Truth (and journalism) have gone out of the window.

      Whether or not the full extent of the hoax is ever revealed is irrelevant because the people who have facilitated it know what they have done and they have to live with it. In my view every one of them has blood on their hands. They could have been honest but either through fear or greed, they have been silent. I truly believe that Dawn would still be alive if any one of them had had the courage to stand up and do the right thing.

      They have no moral backbone. Their ‘career’ and the baubles that come with it, comes before the truth and before Dawn’s life… and whoever will be the next person to die for this story.

      2. @ GR,

        What do you expect stenoparrots to do? Go after the truth?

        Doesn’t fit within their job description [stenographer + parrot].

  182. Was it part of the agreement, that both sides, Russia and the UK do nothing from then on over the alleged Skripal poisoning, if Russia agreed to not to destroy US warships launching Tomahawk missiles, when US, UK and France attacked Syria on April 7th 2018 just as long as the US destroyed nothing of value in Syria? This prevented WW3 and made Trump look like he was strong on US defence leading up to the US Midterms?

    1. Its even possible that this agreement could have involved releasing Sergei and Yulia and returning them to Russia?

      1. Russia and the US facing off in Syria is sure some kind of Kabuki. But real people do get killed in this.

  183. Can anyone explain to me – I am genuinely puzzled – how ownership of a Moscow piece of land can be decided in a British court – and what effect would this have on legislation in Russia.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/07/putin-ally-loses-high-stakes-legal-battle-moscow-factory/
    I understand that both could have agreed on British courts in their contracts but if criminal methods are as reported how could they be forced to pay up? Because Western banks would go after assets as decided by British courts? Why are they playing this type of costly roulette if the sensible thing that would save the cost of time and lawyers would be to come to an agreement?
    Or is the answer that one party – Chernukhin – is a British citizen with no sources of money in Russia any more – and the other party – Deripaska – is considered an ally of Putin?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/07/putin-ally-loses-high-stakes-legal-battle-moscow-factory/

      1. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/16/davies-doward-intelligence-mi6-security-romania-adamesco-corruption-security-extradition
        “A former MI6 boss and an ex-Liberal Democrat peer used retired intelligence officers to gather “sensitive” information from secret sources in the Romanian government to help a wealthy businessman facing corruption allegations, according to documents seen by the Observer.

        Sir John Scarlett’s private intelligence firm, SC Strategy (SCS), which he co-owns with Lord Carlile, disclosed in a report produced for the businessman’s lawyers that it had obtained information from a range of well-placed “confidential sources” in Romania on sensitive issues including diplomatic negotiations and the activities of anti-corruption prosecutors.”

        1. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sir-john-scarlett-from-wmd-to-wonga-how-the-former-mi6-chief-has-cashed-in-a6729306.html

          “Lord Carlile said SC was a small “reasonably successfully” company that provided advice to international clients. However, their only identified client is Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund. Of course, Sir John is not the only member of the British establishment to benefit from their links to the oil-rich Qataris. Tony Blair’s £2.5m-a-year consultancy with the Wall Street bank, JP Morgan, saw him mediate a 2012 deal between the mining giant Glencore and the Qatari Prime Minister, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani. For a three-hour late night in a London hotel, Mr Blair is reported to have picked up a fee of $1m.

          Qatar has also donated funds to Ms Blair’s Foundation for Women. In emails recently released by Hillary Clinton, it was revealed she had lobbied Ms Clinton when she was US Secretary of State. In one email she wrote : “As you know I have good links to the Qataris.” “

        2. Same Guardian article
          “n the report for Adamescu, SCS provides a clearer picture of the company’s expertise in foreign intelligence and other “sensitive matters” concerning companies and governments. The firm boasts of an “extensive cadre of trusted outside advisers” including “former intelligence chiefs from the USA and elsewhere.”

          Carlile and Scarlett — lifelong friends since attending elite private school Epsom College — formed SCS in 2012. Scarlett retired as chief of MI6 in 2009 after a 38-year career in British intelligence.

          SCS’s only disclosed client is the government of Qatar, but court records show the firm has worked for two high-profile Russian businessmen in London, including oligarch and former Kremlin minister Vladimir Chernukhin in connection to a dispute involving the oligarch, Oleg Deripaska. Last year, Scarlet and Carlile formed a new company, Manet Solutions, specifically to provide advice on extradition cases.”

  185. Yulia’s Wedding

    On the occasion of “Yulia’s” “discharge” from “care” the Daily Mail published this. Because it is the Daily Mail we know most of it is not true but because of the old school style of propaganda which the DM espouses there are some nuggets of truth. Unfortunately the distinctions between truth and lies are not clearly delineated but the best part of a year since the publication has given clues as to why it was written and therefore helps signpost the likely facts.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5602901/Yulia-Skripal-fears-betrayed-fianc-nerve-agent-attack.html

    Yulia was getting married, she wanted a traditional (if modest) Russian Wedding and she wanted her dad there. Dad had just made $200,000 available to her from her brothers Estate.

    Dad wanted to be there more than anything, he wanted to see his mum who is not long for this world and Yulia would be the last remnant of close family he had. He wanted to go home.

    I don’t believe Miller turned Sergei, if anything I think it more likely the other way around. The whole spy swap was unconvincing, the faked pictures of Sergei’s arrest, the unprecedented publicity the Russian authorities gave to the case / trial and the extreme leniency of the sentence given the charges and Sergei’s family packed off to the UK with him with Alexander and Yulia welcome to a fro between Russia and the UK whenever they pleased.

    It doesn’t make sense. Both the UK and Russia were up to no bloody good.

    It’s not just Sergei’s frequent visits the Russian Embassy in London under the noses of Mi5 / 6 but its something else that is revealed in this video that confirmed my suspicions that Sergei never betrayed Russia but instead was a unsung hero …

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6fud1s

    “some man who Officially (stressed – his emphasis) who betrayed the country”

    Even in Russian the “Officially” is redundant (or should be).

    What should the Kremlin’s reaction be to the UK refusing to prove Yulia and Sergei are both safe and well?

    For a start they could close the Embassy & Consulates down in Russia, ship out all diplomats until consular access is granted to Russia.

    But no, they send notes, lots of them.

    We are being played for fools and sadly most are lapping it up.

    1. You forget that this happened in a time when Russia was considered part of “the West”.
      Tony Blair had a very special relationship with Putin
      https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/putin-bares-teeth-at-tony-blair-1-5435545
      and Putin spent some time in Britain studying English.
      Putin came to power agreed as Jelzin’s successor by “the West”.
      Mi6 “recruited” Skripal when everybody was supposed to be friends, and he got arrested shortly after things had definitively changed with the Iraq war.
      Britain/US had all this time tried to destabilize Russia via Estonia, Chechnya, Berezovsky, whatever. The destabilization of the Middle East presumably being part of it. Russia knew the seven countries of the plan like everybody else.
      The wedding thing: Russia is very traditional I am told. So a woman would leave her family when she married to join the family of her husband. I rather believe the story that Sergej Skripal had a partner in Salisbury who since has gone into hiding.

    2. 100% agree.

      I think Sergei’s back story was contrived and everything we have been told about 4 March is fiction. He was still ‘working for Russia’ while he lived in Salisbury.

      We can be 100% sure that many of the eye witness accounts from The Mill are fake and I am coming to the conclusion that most of the witness reports from the bench are ‘highly likely’ fake too.

      It is very easy to find lies in the official narrative but HMG seems not to care and just invents some new lies instead.

      I no longer believe that any attack too place on 4 March – no nerve agent or incapacitant or anything else. There were no harmful/dangerous chemicals loose in Salisbury. It is completely fake.

      Trying to find further proof that HMG is lying is now almost pointless. We can already do it in spades! They are lying. We know it and they know we know it.

      What happened on 4 Matrch was ”spy games”. Everybody is now hiding something: HMG, the US and Russia.

        1. That has to be your worst ever comment – and I have several to choose from!

          I am not trying to create fiction, I could never do as good a job as HMG so there is little point trying.

          What I am trying to do, is create points for discussion (based on conflicts in what we have been told) – if evidence refutes these ideas then all well and good… but produce some evidence instead of lamely trying to dismiss the points with a one liner.

          Your comment adds precisely nothing to the debate.

        2. Hello anida! Its an On Going Investigation. We need to cover all
          bases-angles as we all being told lies regarding events 04-03-18.

          Lets stick together and work the problem! Between us we can get
          to truth and Blow This Lie Out Of Water!!

          We all disagree-agree on posts but lets all be nice and show HMG
          TPTB We not Sheep!

        3. Anidea, look at the difference in publicity at the emergency response team actions with Dawn/Charlie compared with the Skripals on the park bench.
          With first aid responders, including a nurse amd daughter in quick attendence it seems very difficult that Freya and one or two others were witnesses and NOBODY took a picture.
          While 3 professional photographers gathered at some distance to take a helicopter picture.
          The tabloids would pay big money for a shot of the “two Russians lying critically injured on UK soil.”

          1. Duncan, it was Peter who said that if anything was happening at the AA they wouldn’t allow photographs and his logic is sound. But we know that some of the areas premier photographs did gather there (we have the pictures!) and that is the fact that proves the lie – there was nothing else to get a picture of.

            1. Unless of course they were tipped off, go here at this time and you get a photo that will make your career.

              A good way to keep them away from the bench

    2. In my studying time we made an input-output analysis of DPA.
      It was a quite enlightening experience to see what news were never distributed to other media. I could tell a lot more about it…

  187. How about strychnine Paul?

    ‘Rigid arms and legs’ difficulty getting Sergei onto stretcher and into ambulance and ‘Uncontrollable arching of the neck and back’ Sergei staring up into the sky. Could have been in food at Zizzi’s or drinks at the Mill?

    From: https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/strychnine/basics/facts.asp

    Immediate signs and symptoms of strychnine exposure:

    * Following the ingestion (swallowing) of strychnine, symptoms of poisoning usually appear within 15 to 60 minutes.
    * People exposed to low or moderate doses of strychnine by any route will have the following signs or symptoms:
    * Agitation
    * Apprehension or fear
    * Ability to be easily startled
    * Restlessness
    * Painful muscle spasms possibly leading to fever and to kidney and liver injury
    * Uncontrollable arching of the neck and back
    * Rigid arms and legs
    * Jaw tightness
    * Muscle pain and soreness
    * Difficulty breathing
    * Dark urine
    * Initial consciousness and awareness of symptoms
    * People exposed to high doses of strychnine may have the following signs and symptoms within the first 15 to 30 minutes of exposure:
    * Respiratory failure (inability to breathe), possibly leading to death
    * Brain death

    Showing these signs and symptoms does not necessarily mean that a person has been exposed to strychnine.

      1. My problem with that Paul is that the list of people in on a ‘collapsed couple on bench hoax’ is very, very large, six or seven witnesses, five or six senior Salisbury hospital employees, multiple ambulance crews and then there are the Snap fitness staff as well as lots of police officers and army personnel, all in on it.

        If News of the World was still going and Murdoch had let them at it, with his huge cheque book of old, one of the above participants would have leaked ages ago. If it was a hoax then my hope is that one still will.

        1. Denise that is a very small number of people! We already know that SDH has certainly lied anyway, they said it was a nerve agent! Cannot be true! Hundreds would be dead. As for getting a few people to step forward as witnesses… that really isn’t a problem at all.

          And yes, SnapFitness probably was in on it. Who was waiting for the signal from the CCTV couple that was picked up by their camera?

    2. Denise, your strychnine thesis is interesting for an explanation of the symptoms of the bench man. But what about the woman ?

      1. Hi Inquirer, We don’t have much information on her other than she had collapsed on the man’s shoulder, soiled herself and had possibly stopped breathing. Could be a smaller or larger dose or the effect could be different because of her age and body mass?

        1. Possible, yes.
          I fell on this :
          [QUOTE]
          Introduction
          4-aminopyridine (4-AP) is a drug that enhances interneuronal and neuromuscular synaptic transmission. It can be used as adjunctive treatment for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS). Accidental or intentional overdose results in significant neurotoxicity. [Thus, it is a nerve agent…]

          Case observation

          A 58-year-old woman with secondary progressive MS was treated for more than 3 years by 4-AP (10mg/bid) with an excellent tolerance. She was admitted to the ER with coma and convulsive status epilepticus. Symptoms started at home, a few minutes after the ingestion of one pill of 4-AP, with severe abdominal pain. The pill came from a new box of a pharmacy preparation that was supposed to contain 10mg of 4-AP per pill. Less than one hour after the ingestion, she developed rigidity, ocular revulsion, alteration of consciousness and finally generalized tonic-clonic seizures.
          [/QUOTE]

          It is here :
          https://www.em-consulte.com/article/905830/article/p31-seizures-and-sustained-encephalopathy-followin

          Note that Sergei Skripal had rigidity and that Yulia, according to Jamie Paine, had ocular revulsion…

  188. In the eighth chapter of the Judeo Christian Scriptures’ “Book of John” dialogue between Jesus of Nazareth and some predecessors of our current Ruling Class is presented. In the course of conversation Jesus of Nazareth identifies, at the 44th verse, the fundament of that ruling class’s problems, which is the fundament of today’s Western World Empire’s ruling class’s problems, that they are liars who worship at the shrine of lying, offering there duplicities, deceptions, devious dealings, advantage takings and manipulations. The said Scriptures do not state that those doing so were undermining trust at all levels and rendering even the least-most they said, asserted or stated unreliable at least, best not believed, and so dismissed, presumed false and assumed intended to dupe or deceive, but those arguments were implicit in Jesus’ words.

    Jesus of Nazareth’s opponents’ reactions were hostile, and aggressive. But, in that instance he was able to slip away from the duplicity-monger mob. But as one reads on in the story, one finds that his escape was a temporary reprieve, that the liars and deceivers caught up to him soon enough, and hung him in the fashion of the day.

    Today, the example of that instance provides us full and fair warning what to expect if we back-chat our Ruling Classes, frustrating them with truths they cannot refute, and answers that deride their narratives, that show their narratives for what they are, and that threaten to awaken the trusting masses to disbelief.

    Having reviewed the aforesaid, thought upon what it implies and taken its teachings to heart, I have determined to learn from the lesson’s teaching, and, instead of staying the course, as Jesus of Nazareth did, that led him on along the path of futile folly that the balance of the Book of John describes and shows leading him to his inevitable end, I have determined to change my ways, to abandon worshiping at fonts of truth, to accept truth to be plastic, to be, verily, even as our government Masters do make it and as their Media parrots do bruit.

    In my first venture on this my new career, or careen, into compliant credulity, which I write here to share, I am changing my position in regard to the information provided by the early witness reports in the now anniversaried Skripal Saga. I am throwing over my previous acceptance of and belief in the earliest reports, in which a doctor and an army nurse were testified at hand, though not in immediate attendance, when Sergei Skripal, and accidentally his daughter Yulia, and a responding CID detective, were subjects in the first open field trial of a new, never before field deployed, experimental binary incapacitating agent, deployed with the cheerful, if not competent, assistance of Britain’s ‘MI’ ‘5 and 6‘ services.

    The operational nature of the administered agent, that it was intended to incapacitate, and that it was a binary, and that its binary parts were freshly combined in a red portfolio-bag subsequently left at the administration scene, that preserved the potency of the combined agent so effectively as to extend its effective life about a half hour, until CID officer Nick Bailey looked into the bag, and the organic-poison nature of at least one, if not more, parts of the pre-mix binary components, evidenced by the evidenced first-dosing of Yulia Skripal evoking a violent organicpoison rejection response, and by Sergei Skripal and Nick Bailey exhibiting contrastingly benign subsequent incapacitation reactions to their dosings with the fully combined binary compound, and, of especial interest, particularly by the rapid and complete recovery by DS Bailey, the accidentally dosed unrelated third party, who needed to be got out of the scene quickly, instead of kept in induced coma while a story to cover the cock-up was being cooked, are too well proofed by irrefutable physical evidences to be thrown over for late-come and adjusted narrations.

    For those undeniable events being undeniable, I, in my new unquestioning faith and on my new path, must pass those evidence proofed events by, in answering them availing myself of the words Josephus wrote when he found the atrocities committed by the rulers of Jerusalem before and during the 66 AD siege too well documented and universally known that to allow him any recourse but to despair that, “we cannot lie about these, they are too well-known”.

    Indeed, that the ‘renditioning’ experiment carried out in Salisbury was such and did go as described above, was ‘government sponsored’, or at least ‘government approved’, and did involve British government agents and MI operatives, or hirelings, and, being cocked-up by them, along with unforeseeable circumstances, was followed by an official engagement in devious, duplicitous and deceptive actions unparalleled in Britain since Gilbert and Sullivan, is too well proofed by too clear evidences to ‘adjust’. Even I, reformed Skeptic that I am, even now, armoured in my bright and shining, new and new-adopted bog-solid belief in government pronouncements being bog-solid Truth, cannot deny and must acknowledge the truth of those.

    Yea, however, verily do I here and now renounce all else that my earlier incredulity and belief in evidence evidenced facts led me to accept, and put behind me all contrary-to-government-issue belief it, and diabolical skepticism. Together with, of course, whatever it led me into.

    This means I no longer believe the testimonies of the early witnesses, that the government experimenters had placed emergency medical personnel at hand in Towne Centre Salisbury, prepared to interecede in event of unexpected reaction, unforeseen difficulties or unlikely escape of the experimental agent might occur and pose danger to any proximate passing public, as any but nitwits and nincompoops would have when first field-deploying a new and experimental incapacitating agent in that public urban setting on that March afternoon.

    I now accede, acknowledge and accept, that the damn-fools did not have even so much intelligence, precautionary instinct or sense of public responsibility. I accept now that they apparently shrugged off potential for danger or hazzard and said, “To Hell with safety, to Hell with the Public, to Hell with responsibility, if anything goes wrong, we’ll blame ‘Russians‘ and take advantage if any tragedy occurs.”

    To be honest, my conversion to credulity was not a rapture or miraculous. I had had moments of troubling thoughts before. Not doubts, more intellectual difficulties, as, for example, when I saw Yulia’s trachaeotomy/trachaeostomy scar in her “Hostage Video”, relatively high on her throat, just under the larynx, a wide cut, across, showing wider for her throat being still swollen when the video was made. Not only did I know in an instant then, even before she spoke her lines, that Yulia had not made the chipper-voiced first phone-call to Viktoria that someone had seemingly been opportunely at hand to record, that indicated both Yulia and Sergei alive and well when the British government was indicating both were near unto death and brain-damaged and would be better off if mercifully let die, or if uncooperative, to both have their plugs pulled, that they might slip away to peace…

    I knew from what I saw in that video that no one –no, rather, I wondered how anyone– with medical training could have made that incision, in that mid-throat location, especially on a woman, who would not wear the scar across her throat as a mark of distinction, as might a man. To force that visibly square peg of Yulia’s esophagus into the round hole of the ‘a doctor and an army nurse at hand’ testimony that I had accepted, and wanted to prefer, I had to assign the army nurse to have not had standard infantry-issue field-trache training, and the doctor to have been a blister specialist or something, unprepared for a more serious surgical emergency. The doctor, I also forced myself to conjecture, to save my desired supposition, must have been new and young and on her first assignment, or first secret deployment, who had naïvely anticipating nothing going wrong and panicked when something did. Then, I conjectured, in my determination to preserve, that when Yulia, not even supposed to be involved, according to the plan, ‘intruded’ herself by taking up the bag dropped for Sergei, and put her nose in first to take the first dose of the experimental agent, the naïve doctor would have been almost as near to seizure as Yulia. And that before Yulia began to show seizure symptoms, that the agent was not supposed to evoke. The naïve doctor would have had reason to panic, I reasoned. After agonizing seconds worrying if she should blow cover to assist Yulia, I conjectured, realizing Yulia was going to die choking on her own vomit, suffocating without assistance, the panicked young, and naïve, doctor finally saw no choice but to throw career and commendation to the wind and rush forward, all nerves and adrenalin, to, almost too late, assist. And then, calling the army nurse, found the army nurse had not brought a field-trache kit. Desparately needing something sharp, I imagined, the naïve young panicked and now aflutter and desperate doctor despairingly polled passing members of the public for something, finally chancing on an unregenerate granny who still, despite safety regulations, carried a sewing scissor. That scissor in hand, the doctor lunged to the now still and last-gasping (would have been were she able) Yulia, slicing desperately, indiscriminately at her throat…

    It is not a flattering imagination, but it salvaged my assumption based on the reported early information, and so steadied my desired belief. I quickly moved on in my viewing the ‘hostage video’, to recognising Yulia’s soft monotone recitation of the words of her crafted statement to coordinate correctly to the visible swollen state of her larynx, and to the apparent discomfort the video showed her having in clearing her throat, or swallowing. All of that was normal for her condition, the time since she was tubed and the placement of the tap into her trachea. All was confirmation why low on the esophagus is the rule for trachaeotomy, especially for women, where they should be down in the notch of the breastbone, to facilitate cosmetic covering.

    But then, having thrown all my predispositions aside, recognizing there were no emergency medical personnel at hand on 4 March, 2018, with the government having confirmed this, that with not even a naïve young doctor, panicked and fearful for botching a first secret assignment at hand, with not even a Frankenstein-class army-nurse for an assistant, how, I wondered, could Yulia have been trache’d as she was, or even trached at all? Who was there to breach her wind-pipe and open her airway so she could inhale again and live? Obviously someone had been, and did.

    Colonel Alison McCourt, an army nurse of colonel rank, has affirmed that she attended the scene latterly, after receiving a telephone call from her sixteen year-old daughter, Abigail, who, apparently, according to authorities, by chance came upon Yulia Skripal in seizure and “not breathing”. Col. McCourt also affirmed that it was her daughter, Abby, who saved Yulia Skripal. For which action a local radio station awarded Abigail McCourt a certificate of merit. Was this sixteen year-old girl the ‘doctor’ referenced in the early reports? Could her mother, Colonel Alison, have been the assisting ‘ male army nurse’? How?

    It is not entirely incredible to conjecture. The high location of the trachaeotomy incision, and the wide cross-cut scaring Yulia showed evidence of do lend some credibility. But what a test, a first test, for my new-found credulity. I had some difficulty: A first-ever field-trache performed by a sixteen year-old lass, working from telephone-relayed instructions.

    I would like to brag that my new-adopted credulity was up to the task and that I managed, on my own, to assume that Abigail did come upon Yulia convulsing and not breathing, and put her in a ‘recovery position’ after having field-trached to get some wind into her esophagus. But neither Abigail nor Alison said anything about a trachaeotomy. This could, of course, be for liability reasons, Abby, at sixteen, being a bit young to be relieving eclamptic esophagae, and, what with the authorities of a modern Western Police State being what they are… Would a girl of sixteen be even permitted to carry a sharp instrument? My guess is that Abby, having exposed herself to be carrying a field-trache kit, or even only a scalpel, would have been in danger of arrest.

    How to find out. The currently trending means to obtain information not even the government has been able to obtain is to submit the query to BellingCat, a sort of internet era Spirit Medium, able to access information not even the old Spirit Mediums were able to access in their table-rapping, instead of keyboard-tapping, day.

    BellingCat, however, seems to be under contract to some mystery-matchmakers, or Russian emigration expediters, and fully occupied bringing phantom Russian tourists into Britain, to fulfill that contract. That option closed, I had to look elsewhere. I began by entering a search query for “Belling?*”. Addressing my query to that site, after some usual internet negotiating, I received the following, in approximately the form presented here. At least it was in the form of testimony by Ms Abigail, as shown, which testimony BellingHound requires I here include, to preserve its trade and other secrets, rights, not risk having its digital license (or licence) revoked, and so forth and so on, and will neither confirm nor deny:

    “[TRANSCRIPT]
    ABIGAIL: “ We were out for a dinner for my brother’s birthday, which meant where was his choice. To get her military discount for us Mum was wearing her full dress colonel uniform, which includes the Old Colonel of the Guard bristly moustache , which has been regulation since Victorian times, when colonel duties began to include writing letters to The Times, and has become as traditional as Beefeaters’ ruffs and Palace Gurards’ fur hats. But then our birthday boy wanted fish-and-chips at a chips-shop, and those never give discounts, even in Salisbury. Mum was put out, but cheerful, and to get some use from the ‘bloody togs’ decided after we’d had our chips to pop in to a pub that does give discounts. We two could sit and be bored, or run a bit in the streets. We chose to run a bit, and went our own ways since I was not interested in tipping roughies into bins they might be found scrounging in, and my brother was not interested in trawling the town. Being live, female and cheerful I do well at this, and in no time had hooked a pair of tourists from Switzerland named Peter and Boris. We chatted a bit and then they wanted me to go with them to London,, where we could have a proper party. I told them I could not afford the trainfare and they thought that meant ‘yes’ and said they would buy my ticket. I told them to show me the ticket and then I would believe them. I was not going to go with them, of course, but they thought I would, and off they went to the station to buy the ticket.

    “I was going to retreat to the pub to have the cover of mum and da when they came back, but then I saw the people on the bench and the woman falling off it and choking. I went to look, and then called mum, who is a nurse, and told her. She was, ‘Oh, darling, we just now got our drinks. Are you sure it is an emergency?’ ‘She’s not breathing, she threw up on herself, and she is convulsing.’ I said. ‘You’ll have to do a tracheotomy for her.’ mum said. ‘you remember how to do those, don’t you? We only just read about doing those.’ ‘I remember reading,’ I said, ‘but I’ve never done one.’ ‘It will be your first!’ mum said. ‘You have something sharp to cut with?’ ‘Just the single-use plastic knife and spork I saved from the chips-shop, so it wouldn’t go into the sea and choke a whale or dolphin.’ I said. ‘The knife is not really sharp, it only has serration bumps that are kind of angled like saw-teeth.’ ‘It will have to do.’ mum said. ‘It’s as sharp as we are allowed to carry. Just do like in the pictures in the book, and keep sawing until you hit air. Your da’ and I will be along as soon as we can be.’

    “So I brought out my single-use utensils, that had already had their single use, I pulled the choking woman’s head back, I made a dotted line using the tines of the spork, and I started sawing on the dotted line with the knife’s plastic serrations. It took a bit of sawing, but then, whoosh! I hit air! And then whoosh! whoosh! whoosh! the woman was breathing! I rolled her back to the recovery position, so she wouldn’t inhale what she leaked and then mum was there and saying how well I had done. Ii don’t know how long she had been there watching. I hope she wasn’t when the Swiss lads came back. I had only started sawing then, I had the woman by the forehead with her neck over my leg and looked up, and there they were, lookinng at me like I was Grendel’s Mother or something. “I’ll be only a minute!” I said and looked down to be sure I was still sawing on my line. When I looked up again they were gone. Not even footstep sounds on the pavement. It was probably the easiest blow-off of trawled guys ever.

    “We didn’t find out until the medics and the bobs were there that the woman was Russian. I was really glad, since it was my first and was kind of sloppy for a second use of a single use plastic scalpel that was made for operating on fish and chips. It was funny, I wasn’t nervous once I’d started. Mum said that when she had done her first, in school, they had had surgeons’ scalpels and did their firsts on stray dogs. I was like, ‘I couldn’t do that!’ But she said, she was sure I could have, if I had had to. ‘You could have just imagined the dog was a Russian and his fur one of those big Russian beards, like Leo Tolstoy had; then you could just cut away.’ I suppose I could in that case, but I am so glad I am learning now, when we have Russians for practice, so dogs and monkeys and stuff are safe.””

    A brave and heroic young lady, indeed! Not only does this explanation answer my questions and salvage my new credulity, it explains how the early witnesses came to believe a doctor and make army nurse were in attendance: Miss Abigail’s deft handling of her single use plastic knife and spork, and Ms Alison being an Old Colonel of the Guard in full dress regalia, including traditional bristly moustache, could any mistake of identity be more natural? Especially with what Tory greed has brought National Health down to.

    Thank you, BellingHound! A more plausible narrative than any gang of Westminster clerics or whitechapel choristers could have have cooked up and pushed on the public in a year of trying. Makes the prim and prissy pussies of BellingCat sound a bag of drones!

    Now I must be off to my Bible study with the Buddha under his tree, where this week we are contemplating the very timely and timeless, but all too contemporary, Zen conundrum presented in John 18: 38.

    2. Have a drink, evangelista, you deserve it … \_/

      ‘Regenerate granny’ with a used spork – sounds like NoCluedo.

    3. Correction: In the paragraph beginning “BellingCat, however, seems…” after the sentence “I began by entering a search query for “Belling?*” I left out the short, but important, sentence “I found BellingHound.” Thereby failing to introduce that ostensible website. Oops. (there are other errors, too, but not important)

  189. If 2 people really did collapse on a bench simultaneously, the most likely reason would be that they had been attacked, very shortly beforehand, at or near the bench. If there had been any attack at the bench it would certainly have been picked up on CCTV. If that had happened, then just like the attack on Kim Jong-nam (13 February 2017, with VX nerve agent, at Kuala Lumpur International Airport) there would be no reason not to show the CCTV. In fact if the police wanted to bring charges, they would almost certainly have had to show the CCTV.

    What happens though if there was no attack at all? Then there is no CCTV of an attack at the bench and to carry on the hoax, the police would have to pretend that the ‘attack’ took place somewhere else, where there were no CCTV cameras. Which is exactly what they have done. So it is a reasonable assumption that there is no CCTV of any bench attack… but if the bench was the most likely place for an attack and the alternative proposed by the police (i.e. the door handle) has been ruthlessly demolished by Rob, then there was no attack anywhere. There was no nerve agent or even an incapacitant – the whole thing was a hoax.

    Between the ‘incident’ and the BBC naming Sergei, as a former spy, was less than 26 hours. If anything had been happening at the bench on Sunday afternoon, how likely is it that NOBODY took a single picture? Then, on hearing the following day, that they had witnessed the poisoning of a Russian spy, NOBODY posts an image on social media? Does anybody believe that there was sufficient time for the police to round up and destroy EVERY picture that had been taken – not missing a single one?

    The only pictures we have seen were taken after the incident was over and show nothing.

    What other explanation exists for this than that NOTHING happened at the bench and nobody took any pictures because there was nothing to see? Apart from the eye witness accounts, is there any evidence to contradict this?

    1. I also find it unbelievable that not a single reporter in the UK ventured into Salisbury District Hospital to successfully obtain a photo of the Skripals in hospital. Even if a reporter tried to and was stopped by hospital staff or police, then this would make a pretty good story.

      Makes me wonder if there’s another D-notice that we don’t know about which instructs the media to not publish any photos of the Skripals…

      2. They were isolated in a brand new and not yet open wing of SDH. No outsider could have gotten anywhere near them in that wing. Doubtful that they were under the care of regular SDH staff with the possible exception of any doctors or nurses that were under military and/or Porton Down control.

        The patients could have been moved out of SDH at anytime from Mar 4 to when SDH announced that they had been released as long as the security for that hospital wing and the attending docs and nurses came and went as if they were continuing to treat such patients. Regular SDH staff would have been none the wiser and knew nothing other than what those attending docs and nurses told them.

    2. Paul, would you take a picture of two people foaming at the mouth ?
      I would not do it.
      But I would probably take a picture from a distance with the crowd around the bench. Or a picture of them on a stretcher, taken into an ambulance.
      But at that point the cordon was in place to keep the onlookers off.
      NO picture of the scene at all is indeed very strange.
      But undeniable there were a lot of witnesses who saw the couple very ill. Too many of them to claim that “the whole thing was a hoax”.

      1. Liane, I would not but many people would certainly take such a picture. Many more people would take a picture of the general scene from outside the cordon – ambulances, paramedics, umbrellas shielding everyone. It is not seen every day and over a period of an hour I would expect several hundred pictures would be taken. Instead we have none. Not even one. Nothing. That is just too unlikely.

        Then I started looking again at what the witnesses had actually said. Do you believe that umbrellas were needed to shield them from the rain? Look at the picture of the AA arriving at 16:50 – it was a blue sky! We also know that no rain was recorded at the weather station. Now a bit of drizzle is always possible but do you need an umbrella and wouldn’t umbrella holders get in the way of the paramedics? And how did the umbrella holders get inside the cordon?

        Then look how many of the witnesses speak about the couple still being on the bench. Nearly all of them! Yet we now know from Abigail McCourt that, when they arrived, nobody was tending to the couple, the female had stopped breathing and they got her on the floor into a recovery position. That must have been before 16:15. So nearly all the witnesses are describing the ten minute period from 16:05 when Freya left to about 16:15. Is that likely? and how did the press find all these witnesses? Surely they just paused, looked and walked on by. The police will not have been taking names and most of them must have gone by 16:20.

        On Sunday afternoon, nobody knew what was happening, even Abigail McCourt says “we just went home” (note no mention of them being decontaminated on the day) – so how was it that numerous witnesses (from before 16:15) appeared on Tuesday but then the same people just kept getting repeated? There must have been hundreds of people who saw it, with new tales to tell but no paper wanted their story? Yes Meg came along but her story is hopelessly garbled. She was alerted by “helicopters”(plural) – so she didn’t turn up until after 16:50.

        You say “undeniable there were a lot of witnesses who saw the couple very ill” – how do you know this? If it were true I am 100% sure there would be at least one photograph. Some people would even think it was funny to see an old man sitting as stiff as a board! There should be several pictures of that.

        And then, as if by magic, Tom Belk arrives “two minutes AFTER the AA had left” and starts taking pictures of… not very much! Think how much better his pictures would have been ten or fifteen minutes earlier. Yet NOBODY who was there between 16:00 and 17:10 took a single picture. That is not credible.

        1. Paul, I will create a document of all witness statements at the bench.
          I think you sometimes are wrong with the timetables what happened when.
          But I fully agree that the umbrella story is odd.
          I suspect it was the rest of Alison´s family who shielded the scene.

    3. It might have been as simple as Skripals opening a parcel and accidentally sniffing the stuff. In that case you would not see much on CCTV if the were with the back to it.

      1. The bench was covered by several cameras – if anything happened there, you would be able to see it.

    4. We must remember that several peoples whoever they were passed them by before the first “responders” paid them due attention……

      1. … yet apparently not one of them dialled 999 – Freya, for instance, didn’t know what to do and so did nothing (or so it would seem, until a photo opportunity presented itself and then she became suddenly available).

  190. This is quite long but worth reading:

    Press Conference by First Deputy Permanent Representative Dmitry Polyanskiy on the event of anniversary of the Salisbury incident 07.03.2019
    https://rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6770

    In answer to one question about P&B:
    “I know that they are free people, they are kind of businessmen and I heard that they were participating in some events. I read yesterday that they were planning to participate in some seminar at Moscow State University about this information campaign against Russia, so I do not think that they really hide their whereabouts, because I do not know what they can be afraid of.”

    1. Unfortunately Polyanskiy was ill informed. The director at the Moscow State University later said he was just joking. No R&A giving lectures…

  191. Hi Rob,
    I’ve been quiet on this for a while but a few thoughts occurred to me recently so I thought I’d throw in an idea:
    I think that the whole thing is linked into a possible chemical weapons false flag plan in Douma, My theory is that Yulia was involved in bringing a sample of Kolokol from Russia to Porton Down under the direction of her father – sourced from his contacts in Moscow alongside secure larger bottle(s) for eventual distribution. Where better to lab test a Chemical weapon? Having tested it to match samples from the Moscow Theatre siege, the plan was for the larger amount (a few perfume bottles worth also brought in by Yulia) to be transferred to Douma by TPTB. Then, after a false flag involving Kolokol, Russia’s complicity would be exposed by the OPCW and the invasion could start.
    The sample confirmed, the couriers (bench couple) were supposed to meet and do a red bag swap but our friends (P&B) from the GRU had gotten wind of the plan and took the bottles from the boot of the parked car. Sergei realised this upon his return from lunch and panicked, called Pablo Miller. TPTB realised that their plan was compromised but had no means of cancelling the swap or if they were still being watched. Instead, they decided to stage an event where the courier couple on the bench (not the Skripals) were targeted under close medical support with an imobilising agent and then claim that the Skripals were the targets. Skripals disappear as they are now compromised, couriers are quietly rehabilitated. Worried about possible use of the Kolokol in the UK, the Russians are immediately “blamed” with respect to a different, non existent compound, to warn them off from using anything on UK soil. Whilst they realised that the full bottles of Kolokol would have been taken away, they couldn’t rely on the sample bottle being recognised by the GRU for what it was and feared that it might have been dumped – hence the search. It later gave the idea for a propaganda stunt after Dawn Sturgess was hospitalised. The rest of it, door handles, HazMat suits etc. was simply theatre.
    All total speculation of course but perhaps Mark Urban could use this idea for a TV script…

    1. If there was a source for “Novichok” in Russia the direct route to Syria would have been via Turkey.
      The only reason for a detour would be that the dealers and buyers were in Britain.
      I cannot imagine the US would not stop something like this should they have noticed – and Britain is part of their five eyes.
      The Cuban Missile Crisis would pale if the US and Russia were provoked to facing off in Syria.

      1. There is/was no Novichok in my opinion. If TPTB on both sides of the Atlantic wanted to pin a False Flag Chemical attack on Syria AND Russia, being able to “prove” that Russia was the source would be key. This is why I suggested Kolokol – it’s provenance from the Moscow Theatre siege could be confirmed by PD and other OPCW centres as clothing samples were taken at the time. Smuggling it into the UK was to enable PD to test it to confirm that it could be subsequently verified as from Russia – and where better to test a sample than at PD? – possibly on Sunday morning when the Skripals were AWOL. A courier taking it via Turkey would be easy from London – especially if it was in a large size sealed perfume bottle in a woman’s luggage. IF this happened it would be because the UK and the US were running the operation. If the GRU had somehow found out and were able to compromise it on UK soil, then it might help explain the subsequent theatrics.

  192. There is no possible, logical, credulous reason that Yulia and Sergei cannot prove their isolation is of their choice.

    Unless of course it’s not.

    It is in their interest as it is for their family and friends.

    Perhaps more so it is in the interest of HMG and the police.

    A large proportion of the British people simply do not believe the Official Narratives, they believe

    One or both of them are dead.
    They are being detained against their will.
    They are no longer in the UK, possibly not together and even in different countries.

    This has led to a harm to trust and confidence in the government and police here in the UK and abroad.

    The excuse of “security” is ludicrous, they could be interviewed in a secret location, together, under tight security and tell us in their own words why the bloody hell they are playing silly buggers with their families, concerned people throughout the world, the UK and RF governments,

    and creating a massive burden on the British taxpayers.

    A few minutes of interview with proof of the date (a recent newspaper) and a with a trusted friend present to verify their circumstances.

    But it is not possible to do this.

    Why?

    1. Peter, I’m just taking this opportunity to thank you for your persistent and perceptive scepticism regarding the incredible (but hardly incredulous!) official narratives. I’m sure our mentor Rob is grateful for your sterling support in the brave stance he has taken.

  193. Any new ideas about P&B? They clearly were not the poisoners (if there were any poisoners) so they could have been either couriers or decoys. I’m inclined to favour decoys because they went to so much trouble to get caught on as many CCTV cameras as possible. But what were they distracting people from and who was employing them?

    1. Putin was as likely to put P&B on the telly to explain themselves as May would be to put Miller on the telly to explain his links with IfS / II, Urban, Steele, Orbis, Skripal, the dossier and his activities on the 4th March last year.

      1. Putin was as likely to put P&B on the telly to explain themselves …

        If they were active GRU Officers on a covert operation.

        1. True. Your boss does not do that to you. Borishov and Petrov on telly might have been impersonators though.

        2. I agree, Peter.
          I´m sure Putin knew what their mission in Salisbury was.
          To force them to take the blame on TV was some kind of punishment.
          On the other side, I´m still convinced that Sergei wanted to return to Russia. So what ?
          If R&A were not in Salisbury on Kremlin´s order, who hired them ?
          Yulia ? Or her boyfriend – the father as a wedding present ?

  194. The image of Police Officer crouching by bench with evidence bag-possible Red Handbag.
    Is this planting evidence and not removing it?
    Seems to be more litter appearing as darkness falls. Where are yellow numbered pyramid
    markers placed by Crime Scene-Forensic Investigators?

  195. Exclusive from Sky News about the hacking of the Institute for Statecraft, the organisation behind the Integrity Initiative:

    ” ‘Highly likely’ GRU hacked UK institute countering Russian fake news

    The suspected cyber attack may have been in response to Britain naming Russian military intelligence in the Salisbury poisoning.

    By Deborah Haynes, foreign affairs editor
    Wednesday 6 March 2019 ”
    https://news.sky.com/story/highly-likely-moscow-hacked-uk-agency-countering-russian-disinformation-11656539

    In the Sky News TV report, the author says:
    “The names of academics, journalists and other experts have also been leaked.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVFd3tMUKyQ#t=1m58s

    What Deborah Haynes does not mention is that she is one of those journalists whose names appears in the leaked documents.
    https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1073953140704247810

    In 2016 she had a meeting at the Institute for Statecraft during a visit of Ukrainian Reserve Officers. The five officers listed in the leaked document are all actually described as intelligence officers in Ukraine.

    It’s usually considered appropriate for a journalist to publish a disclaimer if she is part of a news story. It’s all the more so if she is a victim of an offense that she is reporting and if she also has a connection with the main ‘victim’.

    That does not appear to be the case here for Deborah Haynes. Perhaps that’s because the far more important message is “the Russians did it!”, despite the lack of evidence for that allegation.

  196. Was Sergei actively involved in the field of Cyber Security? An associate (ex Kremlin Officer and Russian exile living in Britain) seems to think so;

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sergei-skripal-regular-contact-russian-embassy-former-kremlin-officer-spy-poison-nerve-agent-a8244926.html

    Valery Morozov revealed Skripal worked in Cyber Security and had regular monthly contact with RF Military Intelligence Officers at their London Embassy

    But then Morozov too was targeted with death threats;

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/special-branch-called-in-as-email-warns-dissident-they-came-for-sergei-they-will-come-for-you-kv3tbl2x5

    Urban seems to confirm Sergei’s continuing interest in the field of Cyber Security, in his book The Skripal Files he states;

    “In the summer of 2017 our interviews had been interrupted by a week-long trip that he had made to Switzerland to talk to their federal intelligence services.” …….. page 194

    http://lander.odessa.ua/doc/The%20Skripal%20Files%20by%20Mark%20Urban.pdf

    The 2017 Swiss Federal Intelligence Conference focused on Cyber Security

    https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-66554.html

    The report makes special mention of Russian Cyber Threats …….. page 25 Focus Cyber

    https://www.newsd.admin.ch/newsd/message/attachments/48136.pdf

    page 28 “Hacker groups based in Russia”

    Switzerland, presumably because of its banking industry, has a huge Cyber Security spin off industry which services the domestic market but also permits them to sell and cross fertilise expertise throughout the world.

    Events are scheduled throughout the year, every year, organised by the Federal Intelligence Services and commercial ventures alike;

    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/swiss-spies_lifting-the-curtain-on-the-swiss-intelligence-service/43176432

    https://cybersecurityday.ch/

    I think it Highly Likely that Sergei was involved with Cyber Security and if so it might be something that both the UK and Russia don’t want to shout about if they were both fully aware of his overt activities that presumably satisfied both UK and Russian objectives.

    From the Swiss FIS report (above pdf) ……… page 27

    “The past four years have been marked by publications from the Snowden archive, which disclosed parts of the highly complex offensive cyber capabilities of the Five Eyes states (USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand). These point to the existence of a huge state arsenal of tools for the targeted disruption of computer networks worldwide. This impression has been strengthened by the activities of the so-called ShadowBrokers group. This hacker group, which according to security experts has close links to the Russian government, made a name for itself by publishing what were alleged to be hacking programmes from a US intelligence service, the National Security Agency (NSA).”

    The idea that Sergei went to see Russian Intelligence Officers every month under the noses of the UK Security Services is puzzling in the extreme but its something that has been reported elsewhere by independent sources (Sergei regularly visiting the Russian Embassy in London).

    We have been led to believe that Sergei was not at all IT savvy but also he was caught by the Russians when using a High Tech Electronic Dead Letter Box (a false rock) when communicating with his British Handlers. We also heard he used his wife to deliver a book to pass on messages written in invisible ink in the margins, so a broad range of facets to his communication skills.

    But another note of caution, as I’ve mentioned before, Urban would not have gained permission from HMG to write a book about Sergei’s Cold War antics and nor would Sergei agree to collaborate on a project that would potentially blow his relative anonymity and quiet lifestyle he certainly would not have handed over his family photo album to Urban to publish what he wanted.

    So more conflicts, irreconcilable gossip and lies. But this is what HMG wants and by the look of it Russia seems quite happy with that for the moment.

    1. Sunday Times March 18 2018

      “Max Najim, who owns a Russian food
      shop near Waterloo station in London,
      said he used to speak to Skripal once or
      twice a month when he came in to buy
      Russian sausages and pickled cabbage.
      “He used to travel a lot,” said Najim.
      “He went to the US, France and Dubai. He
      described himself as a consultant who
      advised various companies on security.” “

    2. I think this was part of MI6 effort to claim that Skripal was not “theirs” to protect.

      I remember the Russian embassy reacting at the start of the affair by insisting that Skripal was a “British” agent.

      How would you define cyber security? Knowledge needed to protect your personal data? I doubt he was a specialist on the latest smartphone technologies. He certainly knew a hell of a lot of people and his contacts stretched from Government to Afghan veterans of all the countries of the former Soviet Union. I suppose he was used to shake hands and introduce people.

  197. Two things:

    1) Yulia was the main attraction of the show. Whatever happened, it was all about Yulia not Sergei. He flew off back to Russia the next day and he could have done that in dozens of other ways without Yulia ever being involved. Whatever happened, Yulia was always going to be safe, so questions like “why would Sergei risk harm to Yulia” do not arise. Sergei even made sure the pets were taken care of. It was all planned and it was all about Yulia. It happened exactly as it was supposed to.

    2) What if nothing at all happened at the bench? Not only no nerve agent (which is clearly the case) but actually NOTHING at all! Even the CCTV couple were not there for more than a couple of minutes. This immediately explains why there are no photos and no CCTV – they can’t produce anything because it doesn’t exist.

    But what if they wanted you to think something had happened, how do they reinforce that idea? Producing some CCTV of a couple walking towards the bench and acting suspiciously would be a great help. It also switches the discussion to “who was on the bench” rather than “was anyone on the bench”.

    It is odd that the CCTV couple smiled at exactly the camera that was used by the gym where Freya worked. Why did they do that? Did they smile at the camera as they passed Jenny’s? That CCTV must have existed but we have never seen it.

    Was SnapFitness in on the hoax? It would be very easy to organise: “Cain, watch your CCTV around 3:45. When you see a couple with a red bag go by, tell Freya to get her hat and coat on. Tell her to walk towards Sainsbury’s.” Freya is not in on the hoax. She does as she was told. She sees the CCTV couple on the bench but after a couple of minutes she leaves. Once she has gone, the CCTV couple get up and walk off.

    On Monday, Freya is the only witness. On Tuesday the CCTV is released, other witnesses come out of the woodwork… hoax complete.

    1. Yes the Red Handbag was a Signal! National Express bus full
      of witnesses….Hilarious Lol!!!

      1. You are right Mark, it was a signal but a signal is only of use to someone who sees it. So who would be able to see the feed from SnapFitness camera?

        It would be possible to have remote viewing but that would most easily be done with the cooperation of SnapFitness to enable data transfers etc..

        If it was not remote viewing, then it could only have been a signal to someone inside the gym who was monitoring the camera… if that someone was from SiS then SnapFitness was part of the hoax and if it was Cain Prince himself who was monitoring, then SnapFitness was in on the hoax (at least Cain was). There are not many other options.

        1. Has SnapFitness CCTV Camera had its angle altered after filming
          Mystery Couple or been zoomed out after so it can see Fraya
          leaving premises?

    2. My first reaction was to advise you to try yourself as a detective fiction writer. But then I thought “no, that would be a failure.”

      2. Easy way of solving question Milda,Show original CCTV footage.
        Not second hand mobile selective footage shaking-zooming in-out.
        As I am a detective fiction writer could you explain no CCTV of
        Mystery Couple entering Market Walk smiling-waving?

        Would be great in My next Detective Novel…Maybe I getting a
        little close for comfort……

        1. Show SnapFitness from 15:30-16:30. Bag Man,Dog Walker,Man In Black Running
          Paramedic Car,Police Car,Others all on a Sunday afternoon in sleepy Market Walk.
          All Market Walk CCTV Entry,Exit would solve a lot of issues.

          Why aren’t We being shown…….Hoax!

  199. Hello Denise! Yes this picture did seem odd when I first viewed it?
    What is an On Duty PCSO doing arm in arm with a Witness. Is Freya
    being arrested. No PCSO’s don’t have power of arrest do they?
    If Freya being escorted away it should be two PCSO’s and not
    arm in arm with her.

    The Snap Fitness CCTV has been planned. Why not release-show
    original footage instead of footage recorded to a mobile device that
    is grainy and fuzzy?

  201. And another thing!

    The BBC said this:
    “Eyewitness Jamie Paine said the woman he saw was passed out, frothing at the mouth and her eyes “were wide open but completely white”.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43303651

    Wot?? No “pinpoint pupils”???

    Turns out that not even one of the witnesses described pinpoint/pinprick pupils at all. Freya said she made eye contact, so you would have thought she would have noticed…

    Pinpoint/pinprick pupils do not enter the story until Amesbury (and then Bailey on Panorama!)

    1. Good spot, Paul. Many people, when lectured about “pinpoint pupils”, will confuse pupils and iris. (Look at Sam Hobson, who speaks of “pricked eyes”.) Of course, if they think that a “pinpoint pupil” is a “pinpoint iris”, they will think that such an eye looks completely white.
      By the way, are completely white eyes a normal symptom of intoxication by a nerve agent ? (I presume that a completely white eye can only be explained by revulsion of the eye.)

      1. I don’t know but maybe someone else can help. After Treasonous May announced that a nerve agent had been used, a few papers ran stories on the general symptoms of nerve agent poisoning and did mention pinpoint pupils and muscle convulsions as symptoms. But not one of the witnesses mentioned it.

        The claim that the male was so rigid that it was difficult to get him into an ambulance also sounds very strange. What could cause that?

  204. Embassy Press release on Ambassador Yakovenko receiving a letter from Ewan Hope, son of Dawn Sturgess

    Today on March 6th, through the “Sunday Mirror” editorial office, the Embassy received a copy of the letter addressed to the President of Russia Vladimir Putin from Ewan Hope, son of the late Dawn Sturgess, regarding the circumstances of his mother’s death.

    Ambassador Yakovenko has sent Mr Hope a reply, in which he has expressed his condolences on the tragic death of Ms Sturgess and proposed a meeting to answer in person to any questions that Mr Hope might have.

    The letter was accompanied by the report “Salisbury: Unanswered Questions” on the key elements of the events one year ago, published by the Embassy on March 3rd 2019.

    March 6th 2019, 16:53
    https://rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6769

  205. I have followed Rob’s lead and sent an email to Ms Gardner:
    .
    .
    Dear Karen,

    On 6 April, 2018, the BBC reported:

    “Meanwhile it has emerged that when police sealed off Mr Skripal’s home at the start of the investigation, there were two guinea pigs and a cat inside. The BBC understands the guinea pigs died of starvation and the cat, distressed from dehydration, was put down.”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43662421

    In a further report on 22 April, 2018, it was stated:

    “Defra announced that when a veterinarian came to Mr Skripal’s home, the guinea pigs had already died of dehydration, and the cat was in a poor condition.
    A statement read: “A decision was taken by a veterinary surgeon to euthanise the animal to alleviate its suffering”.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43835774

    There are 2 matters I would like to bring to your attention in connection with these reports. Firstly, Mr Skripal actually owned two cats and two guinea pigs. A black Persian cat (‘Masyanya’) had been brought from Russia by Mr Skripal but he had also acquired a cat in Salisbury (‘Nash van Drake’). He kept the guinea pigs in a large cage in his office (the converted garage). It is very odd that only one cat is referred to in both of the above BBC reports and even stranger that neighbours have reported that they did not see either cat outside the house after 4 March. Which cat was euthanaised and which was not?

    The second, point I wish to raise with you concerns your report, aired on BBC Radio Wiltshire:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p070vg5p

    In this report you are very clear that numerous police officers were in and out of the house immediately after 4 March. I suggest that it is, therefore, simply not credible that the cats would have remained inside the house – they would certainly have escaped. As I mentioned above, however, the neighbours did not see them. Also it is clear, from your report, that the report of 6 April, 2018 was and remains inaccurate; the police did not ‘seal off’ the house at the start of the investigation, the front door was opened and closed many times.

    When the police first entered the property, which I believe was on the evening of 4 March, they became legally responsible for any animals present in the house. From your description of the activity around the house in the days immediately following 4 March, it is not possible that all of the several officers who were in the house, failed to notice the cats and the guinea pigs caged in Mr Skripal’s office.

    I happen to believe that your report was entirely truthful but the implication of that is that the BBC reports of 6 and 22 April, 2018 are neither credible nor true.

    Yours sincerely,

    1. One cat escaped, another hid under a sofa because of fear of many strangers. As for the cat who escaped, he could have run very far from Skripal’s house, so the neighbors did not see him. I remember stories in media news about cats who fled from the owners and were eventually found dozens of miles away.
      The story of the rabbits of Greg Townsend, the manager of The Mill, demonstrates that policemen are not necessarily concerned about pets.

      1. The windows were open as well according to Karen. There is no chance the cats would have stayed there! And you really think the police would not have noticed the guinea pigs??

        Greg Townsend was a very different case. He was ordered out of his flat and the door was locked behind him – there were no police in and out of his flat!

        The pets had gone from #47 before the police arrived!

  206. My thanks to Brendan for his fantastic spot and transcription of the piece broadcast on BBC Wiltshire on Monday. Here is a copy of a letter I have written to Karen Gardner, whose original broadcast from Christie Miller Road on 6th March has proved to be another vital piece of evidence debunking the idea that a poisoning took place at the door handle.

    Dear Ms Gardner,

    I am a Salisbury resident, and I wanted to get in touch with you about an important report that appeared on BBC Radio Wiltshire yesterday, in which a report that you made from Christie Miller Road on 6th March 2018 was aired (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p070vg5p).

    Here are the three crucial segments of the programme (I have given the times that these segments appeared in the report, as well as emphasising what I consider to be the crucial parts):

    [1:08:03]
    “By the Tuesday, sites across the city were being cordoned off, including Zizzis restaurant and the Mill pub. I was here that morning in Christie Miller Road outside Sergei Skripal’s house, a small three-bedroom semi-detached house in a quiet close of just nine houses, about a mile from the City Centre and a fairly well-to-do area of Salisbury.

    Now, as the counter-terrorism Network and the Metropolitan Police officers were taking over the investigation, Wiltshire Police were here in some numbers, a handful of officers going in and out of the house, not all wearing protective clothing, carrying drinks flasks and sandwich wrappers. We didn’t know then how infamous that front door was going to become and how central to the subsequent investigation of how Novichok got into Salisbury, and how it harmed Sergei and Yulia Skripal. But that front door proved to be key to the investigation.”

    [1:40.37]
    Ben Prater: “Our reporter Karen Gardner was there for us this time twelve months ago.”

    “It’s a well-kept house, it’s got a horse shoe on the front door, beautifully presented bay trees in pots in the side of the windows. At the moment there’s quite a lot of activity. When I arrived, there were six or seven police officers and PCSOs coming out of the door. Some of those have left, a couple more have arrived. There is a visible presence outside the house, and severe frowning when I walk too close. A lot of the windows are open and I did see coffee flasks and provisions and empty boxes and things brought out, so it looks like there was a lot of activity late last night overnight.”

    [1:42:55]
    “When I was here a year ago, I watched Wiltshire police officers with no or minimal protective clothing going in and out that front door. They were carrying coffee flasks. They appeared to have had refreshments in the house overnight. That was two days after the Skripals had collapsed, at the point the Met had taken over the investigation, shouldn’t those officers have been better protected?”

    I don’t know whether you realise the significance of these statements, but they really are of the highest importance in the case, for the following reasons:

    Firstly, it was alleged that the highest concentration of nerve agent was found on the handle of the door (see this BBC article from 28th March). But if this was indeed the case, how did the police officers you saw going in and out of the house without protection not get contaminated?

    Secondly, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons took samples in the City between 21st and 23rd March, including at the door handle. According to a statement they released on 4th May:

    “The samples collected by the OPCW Technical Assistance Visit team concluded that the chemical substance found was of high purity, persistent and resistant to weather conditions.”

    But if it was the case that this “high purity”, weather resistant, lethal substance was on the door handle from 4th March to 21st/23rd March, again why weren’t the police officers you saw going in and out of the house without any protective gear contaminated?

    It seems to me that you came close to the crux of the issue when asking the question, “shouldn’t those officers have been better protected?” The answer to that may well be yes, but the crucial fact is this: they weren’t.

    And so your report raises the following huge question: If those officers were able to go in and out of that house without any protective clothing, and yet not one of them became contaminated, how is this compatible with the claims that a high purity, persistent nerve agent, was on the door handle at that time?

    There is perhaps an obvious answer to that question, and it is my sincere hope that you would be willing to follow it up.

    Best wishes,

    1. Rob,
      Straight to the crux of the matter as usual.
      The journos don’t want to break the BIG STORY.
      I don’t know why not.
      Rebecca, where art thou?

      1. @ Duncan/Rob,

        Putting pressure on Karen via letters and email, especially given what we’re up against [TPTB and their cohorts], will have an adverse effect. Her bosses will not allow her to piss outside the pot [so to speak]. Is it possible to contact her [Karen] in person? Can this be brought [down] to a more personal level [assuming Karen lives in or around Salisbury. Her own, her family’s wellbeing is at stake as well]?

        1. Daniel, you could be correct, but we have had 12 months of “adverse effect”, so how more non responsive could the media be?

          In contrast, I think we should complain to the BBC about Karen’s broadcast.
          It is obviously incorrect and her recollection of what she thinks she saw cannot be correct as it disagrees with all the other narratives.

  207. Sorry if irrelevant –
    Dawn Sturgess and Charlie was poisoned on 30 June, on 28 June a man body is found at City Park in Salisbury, someone Edward Earl Stevens of Salisbury, 62-year-old. I couldn’t find what happened with this investigation and nothing about this person? Was this related somehow to Scripals or is completely irrelevant?

    From the picture below I can’t see how this could have been incident, it is not a place where someone can get drunk, slips and falls in the river. Also if Dawn knew so many people and if this guy Edward was also a drunkard, it is not possible she not to know him? Was it the same park where Dawn, Charlie & company were drinking the night before the poisoning?

    https://eu.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/06/28/body-found-water-salisbury-city-park-police/741552002/

  208. More lies from the Sky ‘News’ and Donnelly:
    .
    .
    ‘Highly likely’ GRU hacked UK institute countering Russian fake news

    The suspected cyber attack may have been in response to Britain naming Russian military intelligence in the Salisbury poisoning.

    Chris Donnelly, a former senior Ministry of Defence civil servant who co-founded the Institute for Statecraft, said he has little doubt who hacked it, though he has no “forensic proof”.

    https://news.sky.com/story/highly-likely-moscow-hacked-uk-agency-countering-russian-disinformation-11656539

    But this was very funny:
    “The Labour Party was also caught up in the fallout after it emerged the Integrity Initiative had used Twitter to retweet a small number of posts that were hostile to Jeremy Corbyn. The institute has since apologised.”

    1. Integrity Initiative was hacked?

      “Welcome to the website of the Integrity Initiative

      All content has been temporarily removed from this site, pending an investigation into the theft of data from the Institute for Statecraft and its programme, the Integrity Initiative.

      Initial findings indicate that the theft was part of a campaign to undermine the work of the Integrity Initiative in researching, publicising and countering the threat to European democracies from disinformation and other forms of hybrid warfare.

      The website will be relaunched shortly. In the meantime, we expect to be able to publish an analysis of the hack and its significance in the near future.”

    2. From the article :
      The Labour Party was also caught up in the fallout after it emerged the Integrity Initiative had used Twitter to retweet a small number of posts that were hostile to Jeremy Corbyn. The institute has since apologised.
      Sir Alan Duncan, asked why he thought the institute was targeted, he said: “It was targeted probably because it’s doing some good things. And it’s clearly got under Russia’s skin. So they’re fighting back and trying to discredit it using a useful idiot like Chris Williamson.”

      So, will the institute apologise again ? Now calling Williamson instead of Corbyn „a useful idiot“.

      1. Liane, Also see my comment on the last thread:
        https://www.theblogmire.com/shiny-new-thread/#comment-24770

        “That is a reprint of an excellent article by Professors: Tim Hayward, Paul McKeigue and Piers Robinson.
        https://www.globalresearch.ca/doubts-about-novichok/5634828

        But this is what HMG does to anyone (including professors it seems!) who won’t lie:
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5615163/High-ranking-UK-academics-accused-spreading-pro-Assad-Russian-conspiracy-theories.html

        10 days from publication of a paper signed off by 3 professors to a newspaper article calling them “conspiracy theorists”. The lickspittle MSM is a disgrace.”

        The Sky article repeats a slur against these professors:
        “These academics dotted around the UK who, whenever there is something pro-Russian, row in behind it in a co-ordinated way,”

        The depths to which the MSM has sunk is really frightening. It is nothing but propaganda.

    3. 1984
      As the government, the Party controls the population with four ministries:
      the Ministry of Peace deals with war and defence.
      the Ministry of Plenty deals with economic affairs (rationing and starvation).
      the Ministry of Love deals with law and order (torture and brainwashing).
      the Ministry of Truth deals with news, entertainment, education and art (propaganda).

      The book was way ahead of its time, especially the TV screens to monitor the population in their own homes. Even John Pilger is now making references to 1984. I must read it again. The film was rubbish.

      1. Unfortunately, it seems the UK and US governments are using the 1984 book as an instruction manual…

      2. Now would be a good time for a remake of this film. There are so many powerful concepts in the book that are still relevant and even more relevant today.

        The concepts in the book “1984” that we have today:
        – Institute of Statecraft and Integrity Initiative.

        – In 1984 there was the timeboxed 2 minutes hate. Today we seem to have the hate and fear being drip-fed to us constantly, it is not limited to a 2 minute burst. For example, the constant villification of Russia.

        – In 1984 the telescreens could listen to people in their homes. Today we have televisions that can listen to our conversations. But far more invasive than telescreens, today we have devices (mobile phones) that can reveal not only where we go, but with whom we associate, and can listen in our conversations.

        – In 1984 writing was not allowed. We are heading towards that now, with things we write on social media coming under greater scrutiny. We are not quite there yet, but there is a feeling that there is a desire to prevent anyone saying anything that does not fit the government narrative or current moral stance.

        – In 1984 they were constantly at war. Since 2001, the West has constantly been at war with terrorism, and that has been used as a reason to pass laws that infringe on our privacy and freedom.

        – In 1984 the character telling the truth was tortured. Today we have Julian Assange being persucuted for releasing truthful, accurate documents.

        Came across this article which describes itmuch better…
        https://lithub.com/all-of-the-passages-in-1984-that-relate-to-you-right-now/

  209. https://rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6762

    03.03.2019
    SALISBURY: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS (4 March 2019)

    A year ago, on 4 March 2018, Sergei and Yulia Skripal were reportedly poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury, Wiltshire. The UK government has accused the Russian state of being responsible for the poisoning. Russia has denied any involvement. The incident has caused major international repercussions, bringing Russia-UK and Russia-West relations to a new low. Yet details of what happened remain unclear.

    The Russian Embassy pays tribute to all those who have helped and supported the two Russian nationals affected, first and foremost to first responders and medical staff.

    We also commend the efforts of journalists, bloggers and members of the public who have been working tirelessly to ensure that truth over what happened is established and disseminated, despite the extremely difficult media environment imposed by the British authorities.

    Finally, we reiterate our sincere condolences over the tragic death of Dawn Sturgess who has become an innocent victim of political games. We join her loved ones in aspiring for the full circumstances of what happened to her and others involved to be established.

  211. Today, the Russian media reported that Sergei’s house in Salisbury for sale. In today’s announcement placed photos from the old ad, when the house was sold before buying it with Skripals. I think this is a fictitious announcement made to provoke the Skripals. As well as “sale” of the Yulia`s car in Moscow. It is known that Skripals very much reverently treated the money.
    https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/47-christie-miller-road/salisbury/sp2-7en/14267786

    1. Probably fictitious, as Fox and Sons the estate agents do not have anything available in that price range.

      1. A very naive attempt to call to Skripals. On the other hand – all provocative news leave Skripals remain dead silent.

  212. Fellow Blogmirers, we seem to have the same intensity in our interest, and there also seems to be a few new names, (or previous Blogmirers with new names).
    Anyway, like Peter, I believe our only hope is for our efforts to turn to the external world.
    MP’s, clinicians, Police and Crime Commissioners, and yes, sadly the media need to be continually made aware that there are non believers (us) among them.

    We know the masses have been lied to, but unfortunately, the masses do not care.
    We care, but if we just talk among ourselves, we will get nowhere.
    If you live in the UK, make your voice heard.

    1. Yes and Holloway-Collins had a Police Car rear boot full of props-fake evidence
      to place around Bench Area.
      Show CCTV to disprove this theory. Nothing happened at Bench Area except a
      staged Novihoax.

      1. Not only was the whole area as clean as a whistle before it got dark, there isn’t a single picture of anything at all actually happening there. How has every single picture been suppressed? Why did the SJ not have any pictures ‘at the scene’ – who told them not to publish any? Very odd…

        And did Jamie Paine get decontaminated? Or McCourt and daughter… or did they just leave the scene and go home?

        The witnesses we have all heard from: Ollie Field, Destiny Reynolds, Georgia Pridham, Graham Mulcock, etc. how did the press find them all? Who orgainsed the availability of these people for the press to inteview on Tuesday? The only witness on Monday 5 March was Freya but on Tuesday 6 March, a National Express bus load of witnesses seems to have arrived on cue… how did they do that?

        And if an ‘incident’ declared by SDH on Monday morning, why were Jamie and others who had been there not immediately called in for tests… urgent announcement in SJ.

        1. Yes it does seem strange that the 3 photographers positioned themselves several hundred meters from the incident for, at least, one of them to capture the Air Ambulance arriving.

          How did they know it was on its way?

          How did they know it would land there?

          Why no interest in the incident that the helicopter was responding to?

          1. Can’t answer your questions but one thing I am pretty sure of is that you would not normally find 3 photographers, waiting at the rear-end of Sainsbury’s carpark, at 4:45 on a Sunday.

            And then, after ‘nothing happens’ a video of the AA leaving is rushed to the SJ and Rebecca is tweeting about it and uploading it to the SJ website only FIVE minutes after it left… with nobody onboard, so we are now told.

            Then they told us that Yulia was onboard… possibly one of the few things we were told that was actually true… so they changed their minds and said she wasn’t.

            1. Which begs another question: if there was nobody onboard, why did the AA pretend to fly to SDH? It didn’t actually land there but it did fly over SDH an hour later… what an odd thing to do, why didn’t it just go home when it left Sainsbury’s?

              1. We don’t know it didn’t land there. If it did it begs the question why if there was no patient onboard

                1. The only thing we know for sure is that at 17:50 it was 1600ft above SDH flying at 93kts – not what you would expect if it had just taken off… it should have been much lower and slower.

                1. That is certainly what I believe to be the case! Then back to fly over SDH, turn on transponders and go home.

                  1. Turn off transponders, then fly from Salisbury to Fairford; land and allow passengers to get off; then head back to Salisbury and overfly SDH and turn transponders on again… the timing works out almost perfectly!

            2. I have no problems imagining that the photographers were set up to be there to record a diversion.

              But unless they were all under the control of the OSA they would snap anyone getting in and out. If Yulia was intended to get onboard they would not have organised the photographers to be there.

              1. All good in theory but we know the 3 photographers were there, which must have been by prior arrangement, so it must have suited somebody’s plan for them to be there. It cannot have been HMG’s plan to have the AA there at all, so it must be the US’s plan… why would they want 3 photographers there? Did they need instant proof for someone that they had got Yulia and the plan had worked?

              2. Please, guys, do not overstate your speculations.
                If I were one of the photographers and would read that, I could not take the whole Blogmire seriously anymore.

                1. I think speculation being raised and then disproved helps our credibility not the other way around Liane

                2. The SJ updated its 4 March story to include a gallery of 25 pictures. We have three pictures of the helicopter and zero images of the bench at the critical time.

                  It is not speculation to suggest that that is no accident. Why were 3 photographers at the far end of the carpark at 4:45 on a cold and wet Sunday and who was controlling events such that all pictures from around the bench were IMMEDIATELY suppressed?

                  It gets even more curious – if images of what happened at the bench were already being suppressed on Sunday, how was it possible that the CCTV become public on Tuesday?

                  How do we know that anything actually happened at the bench at all?

                  We have no evidence that anyone was found on the bench except the witness statements… which would be easier:
                  a) suppress every image taken of the events at the bench; or
                  b) claim that something had happened at the bench… but actually nothing did, so there was nothing for anyone to take any pictures of.

    1. Good work Peter. Seems outrageous that the NHS Information staff think that they think they can palm off your request to the police. Clearly wrong. I`m trying to look into what publically available information there is on Salisbury`s A&E activity on 4th/5th march and then make some information requests myself, although I suspect that I`ll get the same response that you have. I had an interesting discussion with a data protection guy at one of my local acute hospitals about under what circumstances they would release personal patient data. As I have discovered before you can get the data if it is “in the public interest”. I took that to mean whatever the TPTB regarded as being “in the public interest”, but he says not, and that its a grey area. So it would be interesting to find out the names and diagnosis of the people that were admitted on 4th March.

      1. Evoluon

        You may be interested in these FoIR’s too which look like they will going to the ICO soon.

        2 critical areas of Public Interest are when the Novichok was identified (not just a nerve agent) and how did PHE and the OPCW manage to come up with such conflicting advice regarding how quickly nerve agents act on humans: OPCW 20-30 mins, PHE 3hrs min to 12 hrs max.

        DSTL, Porton Down

        Identification of Novichok – Salisbury Incident 4th March 2018

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/identification_of_novichok_salis#incoming-1298055

        Date 16th Dec 2018

        Internal Review Requested 16th January 2019

        ……..

        Public Health England (PHE), Porton Down

        Public Advice on Novichok – Wiltshire Incidents

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/public_advice_on_novichok_wiltsh#outgoing-855230

        Date 16th Dec 2018

        Internal Review Requested 13th January 2019

        1. Another FOIR that is in for an Internal Review is one I submitted to the Met. I asked, amongst other things, what time Bailey went on and finished his shift on that fate day.

          The Met refused my request on the grounds that they are holding the information for the purpose of it being used in a criminal investigation or the prosecution of crime.

    2. Peter, good on you for pursuing these FOIRs!

      Can I make a suggestion? In your recent FOIR to South Western Ambulance Service, you ask for specific pieces of information. If they have this information, the Service will have it in documents (logs, emails, memos, hand-written notes, etc.). So perhaps your FOIRs could be rather for any documents which contain the requested information. The documents would give a much fuller picture and context, and can be used by others for more research.

      Keep up the good work!

      1. I think you are referring to the Patient Record Form, I considered this but I didn’t want to fiht the personal info / patient confidentiality which I assumed might have been thrown up. But I didn’t expect them to say they don’t do FoIR’s for Wiltshire Poisonings.

        But the more people that put in FoIR’s the better understanding we may get.

        Its easy to do age, residency and nationality are not a bar and I suspect you can even apply a Nom de Plume if you so wish / prefer to stay anonymous.

        Just sign up with https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/ (email not postal address) they help you find the authority you want to ask the question of and guide you through the process

    3. We assume that the Skripals were interviewed by the police/security services during this investigation. A good FoIR would be for copies of any documents containing any information related to interviews with either Sergei Skripal or Yulia Skripal.

      Likely to be refused due to “ongoing investigation”. Is it correct that even for an ongoing investigation, FoIRs can be fulfilled if the information is in the public interest?

      In the Skripal incident, the UK has taken actions which are precursors to war with Russian (such as expelling diplomats). The resulting war could have a devastating and direct impact on the lives of and unknown number of UK citizens.

      I can’t think of a much stronger argument for something being in the public interest than that.

      If we’d had true and corrct infomation about the Iraq “dirty dossier” before March 2003, the public potentially would have stopped the UK invading Iraq, and the world today would likely be a very different place.

      1. The authority can use what ever excuse it wants to block or refuse your request, you can then go through the stages of challenging the refusal

        1st submit request, 20 working days or approx 1 month

        Then extra time can be asked for by the authority normally another month

        Then the refusal

        Then you request an Internal Review, another month

        Then it is refused again

        Then you complain to the Information Commissioners Office

        They investigate

        If you don’t like the decision you can appeal to a Tribunal and then if you are still not satisfied you go to Court

        But if enough people make the effort then the Public Interest will be clear, if people really are not interested they will do everything they can to stop you getting the information you have a right to and they have a duty to supply

      2. Very good points Sayless. What greater public interest is there than in preserving life on earh!

  215. Paul and fellow Blogmirers, having watched the Russian UN mission press conference, I winced and cringed more that watching an episode of ‘The office’, embarrassed is the word.
    Can I recommend Dan Bongino, he’s an ex-agent who has written a book ‘spygate’. He hosts a radio show and has addressed public meetings in the US all on YouTube (until they censor that) !
    He gives an insight into the UKs role in the collusion lie.

  216. I have more of a question than a comment. Was any type of decontamination done? If Novichoks were present and are as toxic as stated, what decontamination procedures were done. Certainly it would pose a serious health threat to the public. Why does this not seem to be a concern.

  219. Paul and Lianne, there’s a school of thought that Glenn Simpson (head of fusion gps) co-wrote the bones of Steeles dossier in a Wall Street journal of 2007.
    Lianne, I had a little look up on Anne Applebaum, after her featuring on last nights C4 news (Arron Banks stitch up). Scary woman.

    1. Keith, Where to start? Russiagate is the fakest of fake news. It was created to serve several purposes – none of which were honourable. It has many strands but they are all lies.

      The dossier is but one part of it. It is demonstrably fake but the MSM doesn’t want you to know that, so they keep pretending it has substance. The ‘DNC hack’ is also demonstrably fake (Bill Binney, former tech director of the NSA has proved it) yet the MSM continues to speak about ‘Russian hackers’… it wasn’t a hack, it was a leak (by Seth Rich) and Guccifer2 was an invention of the DNC itself! But the MSM will NEVER tell you that.

      On Monday, Wikileaks, tweeted this:
      FULL DOC: Trump motion to dismiss ‘Russiagate’ case filed by DNC
      https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1102714713861951489

      It contains a link to the court documents:
      https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5758381-Memorandum-of-Law-in-Support-of-Motion.html

      In short, it completely demolishes the DNC contention that it was the victim of a hack. Have you read about it? Well if you have, you are one of very few because the MSM doesn’t want you to know about that either.

      The daily currency of people like Steele, Simpson, et al is lies. They get away with it because the left leaning liberals, in control of the MSM, do not tell the truth either.

      It makes me laugh that people speak about the “uncertainty” of BREXIT and how that is bad for business – well how can business ever be certain about anything when almost every major story is either total lies/fiction (Salisbury) or you are given totally spurious reasons for real events? Venezuela is not about anything except the fact that the US cannot allow Venezuela to sell its oil in anything other than US$s – if it does the petro$ will collapse and the US will no longer be able to print bits of paper to export to the world in exchange for tangible goods.

      We can hope that the truth does eventually emerge… but will the MSM print it?

      1. “They get away with it because the left leaning liberals, in control of the MSM, do not tell the truth either.”

        Don’t fall into the trap of repeating worn phrases. The MSM are not left leaning, nor would I describe them as liberals. If they were left leaning they would care far more about the poor and social justice. Instead, if an actual left-wing politician appears like Corbyn or Bernie, they will shoot them down every way they can. Liberal is a term which has many different meanings, so many, some contradictory, that it is not very informative.
        The MSM have become the propaganda agent of “the Establishment”. Those who are currently in power and wish to stay that way.

  220. Thanks Rob for your latest article, wonderful that you keep up the great work! This below may seem unrelated, but i think it is.
    Regarding justice and international law and difficulties in achieving this. The recent World Court decision in favour of the inhabitants of the Chagos Islanders efforts to seek justice, shows how cruel and relentless the UK and US can be, and how they block justice and the rule of law. Chagos islanders have repeatedly won in the courts, but then lost out to the “House of Lords on security ground.” Hopefully the World Court ruling will shame the US and UK into doing something about this, eventually. The US base at Diego Garcia has been used to launch planes in the various wars including on Syria.
    Historic ruling by the World Court: U.S. base on Diego Garcia obtained in violation of international law https://mronline.org 26/2/2019
    Excerpt: “Diego Garcia is the primary island of the Chagos group, previously dependencies of the British colony of Mauritius. But immediately prior to Mauritius gaining its independence, and as the International Court of Justice at The Hague decided yesterday (February 25, 2019), in violation of international law, the U.K. government separated the Chagos Islands from the colony of Mauritius. The sole purpose was in order to give Diego Garcia to the United States on a long-term lease. The inhabitants were forcibly removed by the U.K., and prevented from returning. Over the years the former inhabitants in vain sought redress from the British legal system, winning repeatedly in the courts but in the end losing in the House of Lords on, in essence, national security (“royal prerogative”!) grounds.”_

  221. More from Ben Prater’s “Novichok Anniversary” radio show yesterday.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p070vg5p

    From an interview with two police officers, apparently Holloway and Collins who were the first on the scene at the park bench:

    [38:10] BBC Wiltshire’s Emma Volney:
    “… I spoke to the people involved, including two of the first responders from Wiltshire Police.”

    [38:40] Sgt. Tracey Holloway?:
    “… Then I started looking for evidence for what we call the drug ‘Spice’ – I’ve had a dealing with that in Salisbury in the last couple of years – and that was the first thing that came in my mind at that time.”

    [38:58] PC Alex Collins?
    “Obviously once the news had come out that it was a nerve agent and, you know, that people had received medical treatment for that, you know, I’d had a headache for a few days and which probably due to the stress, and you always think – oh is that stress or is that essentially a symptom? – em, but we were monitored by Public Health England anyway, and I did speak to others to seek advice. And as the time progressed and I hadn’t had any, you know, real symptoms, you now, my kind of concerns eased.”

    Both Holloway and Collins reveal something new in those remarks (if that is who they are).

    That’s the first time, as far as I know, that the synthetic cannabis drug ‘Spice’ or K2 was suspected in the Maltings incident. Later that evening, the police told the Salisbury Journal that they suspected the synthetic opioid fentanyl, and that’s what the medics also thought until they suspected nerve agent.
    The interview yesterday does not say why the focus shifted away from ‘Spice’ – which can turn its victims into ‘zombies’, like Sergei appeared that day with his arms stretched out and moving.

    Also new is that Collins (?) had a headache for a few days but was not given medical treatment, unlike others. All he said previously about how he felt at that time is what he told the Guardian in December:
    “I was intending to have a shower but I was so knackered I just climbed into bed and fell asleep.”

    1. Interesting how BBC manage to get this information that has not
      been disclosed before and after event [12 Months]
      Much like Panorama Propaganda regarding D.S.Bailey.

      BBC dancing to TPTB-HMG Tune and putting false evidence
      broadcasts out for Sheep [Voters]

    2. Brendan, you have unearthed some good material from BBC Wiltshire.
      Spice or Black Mamba would be the street names for the currently used synthetic cannabinoids.
      When the police observe someone in a catatonic state it would be their natural conclusion when they see a victim.
      Spice tends to be a “poor person’s drug”, so a well dressed (non homeless) couple especially with the obvious age difference would mean that the police first responders may walk up thinking “Spice” but would soon dismiss that as the cause.
      Fentanyl being a more “upmarket” drug would be their next conclusion.
      However, the police and emergency responders have been trained to be very wary about physical contact.
      Small amounts of Fentanyl and it’s analogue Carfentanil can kill.
      This all makes the involvement of Abigail the daughter of the Chief Nurse of the Army’s immediate first aid response more intriguing.
      Almost as though the mother immediately knew that this was not a drug overdose.

      1. Duncan, they probably also dismissed Spice as the cause because it does not cause pin-prick eyes like opioids and organophosphates do.

        1. From an article of Mark Urban :
          [QUOTE]
          “We were just told that there were two patients down in the emergency department who were critically unwell and they would be coming up to the unit,” recalled ward sister Ms Clark.
          But when police became aware of Mr Skripal’s former career as a Russian spy, they told the hospital and discussed the possibility that he may have been the victim of a targeted attack.
          A major incident was declared at the hospital and police moved in to protect the Skripals.
          [/QUOTE]
          https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44278609

          For me, it is clear that the hospital changed the diagnosis under the influence of the police.

    3. Where did the Skripals go after leaving the Mill/Zizzis at 3.30/3.35pm (depending of which version of events you believe ie Met or witnesses) and Freya Church walking past them on the bench at 4.03pm. I’ve often wondered whether he met a dealer.

        1. It’s got a pay-wall – but the most interesting thing is the title “Boris Johnson gives World Cup warning to Russia over ‘poisoning’ of spy and his daughter” and it’s dated 6th March, sounds like he might have been prepared in advance. A bit like the intercepted call between the CIA agent and BBC Russia reporter confirming the “plan was in place” just prior to MH17.

            1. This is the important bit:

              “Regarding the CCTV footage, Cain Prince, the gym manager, told The Telegraph: “Police came in yesterday and reviewed the footage. These were the only people they took a photo of.

              “Police said he was wearing a green coat.

              “Freya, one of our employees, left here at 4pm and saw them on the
              bench just outside.”
              .
              .
              Shown the CCTV footage of a couple walking past the gym towards the
              bench just 15 minutes earlier, Miss Church said it was “definitely them,
              100per cent.”

      2. They had been making themselves conspicuous since feeding the ducks. I assume something was handed over at some stage. The “attack” might have been the simple act of opening of a parcel.
        This actually was suggested at the beginning of lots of people trying to find a satisfactory narrative.
        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/russian-spy-latest-updates-sergei-skripal-home-nerve-agent-poisoning-salisbury-police-officer-nick-a8248196.html
        “Sources told The Independent that the toxin could have been sent to Sergei Skripal in a package that he opened in the presence of his daughter Yulia, exposing them both.
        Lord Blair, who was the Metropolitan Police Commissioner when Alexander Litvinenko was assassinated, said a police officer who fell ill had visited the property in Salisbury.”
        That they sniffed it rather than the poison working its way through their skin is also supported by the army nurse who said she saw no sign on the skin – she sure knew how and where to look.

        1. If the army nurse was on-call duty she surely had protection with her.

          But yes, it is extremely curious there was no secondary contamination, and the hospital was not decontaminated as far as I know (anyone?)

          This here is a case of suicide by pesticide
          https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/97/2/75/1547690
          “In May 2001, a 45-year-old man attempted suicide by drinking organophosphate insecticide, and was brought to an urban general hospital in a collapsed state. Twenty-five hospital workers and paramedics sought medical advice after coming into contact with the poisoned patient, of whom ten complained of symptoms related to toxin exposure. Provision of emergency services by the hospital was compromised, and the emergency department was closed until the area was decontaminated and staffing levels could be restored.”

              1. The decontamination was outside A&E. The firemen was it all down.

                From the Mirror:
                “Firefighters were called to the hospital in Wiltshire to decontaminate an area outside the A&E department.”

                That was presumably after the police car arrived, that was then impounded and moved on Thursday (I think).

    1. Although I don’t know for sure, I suspect it was more about the 2019 Reconciliation Networking Forum (#RecForum2019). The event took place in Dublin yesterday. I also suspect that people in (Northern) Ireland don’t have Salisbury, or Skripal, uppermost in their minds at the moment.

  223. Mary Dejevsky wrote a courageous article on March 4, 2019 :
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/skripal-poisoning-salisbury-attack-yulia-russia-novichok-putin-a8807191.html

    Mary, I would like to discuss two passages of your article.

    1) Quote : „If I were to offer my own possible scenario, it would be along the following lines.
    It has seemed to me that both the UK and Russia have known pretty much what happened almost from the beginning, but for reasons of intelligence, embarrassment or whatever, neither is prepared to say. In my view, it may well have been either a failed extraction exercise by the Russians to get Sergei Skripal “home”, or a successful prevention job by the UK that should never have become public.“

    Why „either – or“ ? Both scenarios combined makes the most sense.
    Boshirov & Petrov (and maybe more people) were the extradiction team.
    The UK involved their prevention team.
    The prevention team tailed Boshirov & Petrov to make sure that they can construct evidence against them. After that they withdraw the Skripals from circulation. Killing a lot of birds with one stone.
    Then Sergei´s house was turned upside down to find everything that MI6 doesn´t want us to know.

    2) Quote : „Some of the more titillating conspiracy theories link the whole episode to the US election. This version claims that Sergei Skripal was the prime source for the anti-Trump dossier compiled by ex-MI6 officer, Chris Steele. I am reluctant to go this far.“

    Mary, I perfectly understand that you are reluctant to go this far.
    But the Steele – Miller – Urban – Harding – Mifsud – Sir Andrew Wood – Sir Richard Dearlove connection can not be disregarded. They belong to the same circle of Putin hating warmongers.
    Are these events really NOT connected :
    May 2016 – Trump nominated as presidential candidate.
    June 2016 – The Trump Tower entrapment operation with Natalia Veselnitskaya.
    June 2016 – Integrity Initiative starts its Twitter account.
    June 2016 – Sergei Skripal met Estonian intelligence.
    June 2016 – Chris Steele flew to Rome to brief his FBI contact Michael Gaeta.
    June 2016 – Chris Steele send the first Memo of the Trump Dossier to Fusion GPS.
    The Memo contained information about the alleged Golden Shower tape.
    June 2016 – Guccifer 2.0 appears.

    Off-guardian.org on March 4, 2019 :
    Frankly, it would not surprise me a bit if we discover one day — 50 years from now? — that a Western Intelligence agency was feeding Skripal with a mix of information and disinformation regarding the alleged Trump-Russia collusion, knowing full well that this report would eventually end up at the FBI.
    https://gosint.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/on-this-day-the-skripals-drama-begins-march-4-2018/

    1. To be clear : I don´t believe that Sergei Skripal was the prime source of the Dossier. But it could well be that he was fed (and tricked) with the Golden Shower story by Estonian intelligence.

      1. I am sure I read somewhere that the ‘golden showers’ was invented by a Ukranian group working for Steele. In the meantime, the net continues to close in on Steele.

        In his testimony last week,Trump’s former attorney, Michael Cohen, debunked a key claim in the dossier. Namely, that he that he had traveled to Prague in August 2016 to meet with Kremlin officials to arrange clandestine payments to hackers who stole emails from the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

        Now, according to Politico, Steele has withdrawn from a planned video appearance next week for a group founded by Garry Kasparov. This was going to be Steele’s first public appearance in almost 2 years.. he clearly got cold feet! Ironically, Steele was supposed to be speaking about ‘disinformation’ – he is well qualified!
        https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/04/trump-russia-dossier-christopher-steele-1202141

        1. From Paul´s link :
          „Steele was scheduled to speak on a panel moderated by Washington Post columnist Anne Applebaum. The panel is set to feature Evelyn Farkas, a former deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Russia/Ukraine/Eurasia under Barack Obama, and Ed Lucas of the Center for European Policy Analysis, according to conference organizer Uriel Epshtein said.
          The conference is organized by the Renew Democracy Initiative, which is chaired by chess grandmaster-turned-Russian-opposition leader Garry Kasparov.“

          The Integrity Initiative’s UK cluster includes all three : Anne Applebaum, Evelyn Farkas and Ed Lucas !
          One more proof that Steele is connected to II, as is Pablo Miller.
          And II is connected to the Russian Putin haters like Garry Kasparov, Khodorkovsky and Browder.

    3. Ive just read the Mary Dejevsky piece also. Questioning articles in the MSM are unusual to say the least. However I cant quite see how Russian operatives using public transport would be in a position to extract Skripal from Salisbury. I would have thought if extraction was the plan, the airport collection of Julia would have been a better venue.

      1. The BBC put out this rumour in March 2018
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43523923
        Russia denied it was the case.

        Same claim was made about Berezovsky
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5629315/Boris-Berezovsky-killed-decided-return-Russia-Moscow-prosecutor.html
        In this case Russia confirms it
        https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6662
        But at the time the Russian prosecutor gave it a different twist
        “This echoes comments made last week by Chaika’s deputy, who accused Britain of withholding evidence in the Berezovsky case in order to cover up their involvement.

        Saak Karapetian cited the 2013 inquiry where a coroner concluded it was impossible to say whether Berezovsky’s death was suicide or a slaying.
        Mr Karapetian insinuated that Berezovsky was killed because he would have been arrested upon return to Russia.
        ‘People who faced Russian criminal charges were used as targets… helping create a semblance of motive for their physical elimination.'”

        Extraction makes no sense. Only scenario I can see is that Skripal had to be convinced he would be okay. That would have been a tall order.
        This here is Yulia Skripal’s apartment in Moscow
        https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/novichok-poisoning-plot-left-nightmare-13520779

        Much more likely Skripals plotted how to extract her boxfriend.

      2. pam Scholfield, I tell you how it would be possible :
        Boshirov and Petrov gave Sergei a new passport and a flight ticket – personally or at a dead box.
        Sergei and Yulia went public in Zizzi and Mill Pub to be remembered.
        Sergei´s plan was to disappear shortly after and take the evening flight to Moscow.
        Yulia would have driven the BMW to Christie Miller Road and wait for a call from Moscow.
        But something went wrong…

        1. Why plan it for when Yulia is visiting? That would introduce an unnecessary and complicating factor. Why would they have needed to be seen out and about downtown? Sergei seems not to have been enough of a regular at Zizzi for him to be recognized and Yulia may not have been around often enough anywhere in Salisbury after 2012 to have been recognized and didn’t look much like she did in 2012. How would Sergei have taken off from downtown Salisbury? Walking to the train station, assuming he was physically able to do so, and taking trains to Heathrow would have been a no go because of all the CCTV cameras. And what would Yulia have done after driving Sergei’s car back to his house?

          1. And why not just fly to Estonia and take a taxi across the border.

            I think this rumour was originally spread by MI6 to claim it was not their fault their spy was attacked. And that you were safe if on the British side.

            In the case of Berezowsky Russia found the claim convenient to accuse Britain of killing Berezowsky.

            Skripals walked through Salisbury like decoys attracting all kind of stuff.
            Salisbury has some 20000 inhabitants plus tourists. Skripal is a very social guy. Yulia used to live there. They must have been aware that they would meet people they knew.

            1. If you want to organize a handover where you trust people and don’t want to be seen you do it in a wood.

              If you want to organize a handover where you don’t trust people and want help nearby you do it in a crowded place and inform the police beforehand. So Skripal went to the police to say he was followed?

              And did they go anywhere in the morning after they had been to the cemetary?

            2. “why not just fly to Estonia” – exactly! There were many ways for Sergei to get back to Russia… which means 4 March was not about Sergei! Why did it all happen when Yulia was there? Because, whatever it was that really happened, was ALL about Yulia!

              We have been distracted into believing this was about Sergei – “look here, not there!”

              The AA was not there to collect Sergei, it was sitting waiting for Yulia! Sergei got in a car and next day flew back to Russia. It was Yulia who went on!

              For reasons we do not yet understand, Yulia was what it was all about.

          2. “Why plan it for when Yulia is visiting? ”

            Because it may have been a vital part of any plan, that Yulia was not in Russia when the plan was executed.

            It seems to have been about Yulia, or Yulia’s safety.

            1. Let’s assume someone rich (Qatar?, a “private” party) was in the “private” market for a “chemical weapon” that could be traced to Russia or by extension to Syria.
              British “private” spooks would have wanted the money but maybe not have wished to start a nuclear war.
              So they took a certified Russian spy whose daughter had just arrived from Moscow to launder stuff from Porton Down.
              Take it from there … :-))

              1. I think you are very wide of the mark. I do not believe this had anything to do with CWs – the only reason CWs got involved was that some clown thought the scheme would be a good way to wind up ‘Toxic Dagger’…, so a CW wheeze was invented as a cover for something else.

                I think you agree that 4 March was not about getting Sergei out – too many easier ways existed and looking at what we have got, it does very much seem to me that the whole thing actualy revolves around Yulia… so what was Yulia really up to?

                1. Let’s face it Skripals were of no importance whatsoever, if it had been just another attack on British streets, or an overdose of Fentanyl – so what.
                  It was a weapons of mass destruction scare that allows countries to bomb other countries outside of international law, and Al Jazeera, Qatar, with a huge help from British journalism was involved in information warfare from Egypt to Lybia to Syria.
                  Khashoggi planned to “reveal” that “chemical weapons” had been used in Yemen. So “Novichok” somehow detected by chemical weapons inspectors in Syria would have been a huge problem for Russia, much more than “Novichok” found on a British spy in Salisbury.
                  Official Britain cannot allow themselves to be on Qatar’s side but private Britain may get paid for it.

  224. Is this Russian Type-Stuff-Liquid-Gel-Gas that Porton Down-Met
    put in Crap Bacon Wrapped Box [over stressed] Bottle-Pump
    a Napalm type stuff?

    Burns Face-Hands-Did Dawn light a cigarette after applying Porton Down
    Mix that was planted for a find?

  225. I have several questions and observations about Mark Urban’s recent article (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47446223).

    1. What is the OPCW’s offical view on whether Russia is in breach of the CWC or not? If the UK and US believe Russia are in breach of the CWC, what is the offical procedure, within the CWC framework, to resolve this? And have they begun this procedure?

    2. The article says “The use of an unscheduled nerve agent in Salisbury has made it extraordinarily clear that Russia only eliminated its declared chemical weapons stockpile,” a US state department official told Newsnight”
    Is it against the CWC to produce an unscheduled chemical?

    3. To put this article in context and to provide balance, it is important to note that the US still has stockpiles of chemical weapons. This is in breach of the CWC, which required the US destroyed its entire stockpile by “…the latest possible date [of] 29 April 2012”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention#Member_states
    https://www.opcw.org/our-work/eliminating-chemical-weapons

    4. In 2018, was it against the CWC for any state to make Novichok?

    5. Has Porton Down made Novichok?

    6. How can US State Dept. say Russia was responsible when the Met. Police haven’t completed their investigation? So far, the Met. only refers to “suspects”.

    7. Urban’s article merely spouts what US officials say. This is extremely poor journalism. What I and a lot of other readers are looking for is a professional reporter’s analysis & conclusions about whether Russia is stockpiling chemical weapons or not? What evidence does the reporter present to support their conclusions? Or should we just blindly believe the reporter?

      1. Are the OPCW telling us something, the cw they tested was of high purity, yet it’s obvious the cw on the door handle could not have been of high purity due to exposure to all kinds of contaminants

        1. They do not tell where the OPCW took samples from. OPCW calls it “hot spots”.

          After Sergej, Yulia, and at least Sergeant Bailey (but now BBC confirms numerous other policemen) touching the doorknob there cannot have been much left.

        2. Possibly, specialist laboratories can distinguish the purity of the production process from the degradation in the environment.
          But, somehow, OPCW does not report on any degradation of environmental samples, though, in the case of the perfume bottle, they say they are unable to decide if the “Novichok” is from the same batch as they do not know the way the bottle was stored.

          1. Acutally, the public OPCW report says this:
            “The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.”

            But there is a statement (after OPCW general director Ahmet Üzümcü incorrectly talked of 50 to 100 Novichok grams) correcting it to millgrams and saying this
            “However, the analysis of samples collected by the OPCW Technical Assistance Visit team concluded that the chemical substance found was of high purity, persistent and resistant to weather conditions.”
            which, I agree, is highly suspicious considering that
            “The TAV team deployed to the United Kingdom on 19 March for a pre-deployment and from 21 March to 23 March for a full deployment. “

    2. Quote from Mark Urban’s article: “This accusation opens the possibility that the entire system of treaties and inspections designed to prevent the use of such poisons could become defunct”.

      I think I can see where this is going. The USA has already pulled out of a nuclear weapons treaty because it alleges that Russia is in breach of it.

      Next, it will use the Skripal affair as an excuse to pull out of the chemical weapons treaty.

      1. Blunderbuss, I had a similar thought.

        If the USA pulls out of the INF treaty and also the CWC, then this could set the stage for USA to attack Russia in the most terrrible way with long-range nuclear missiles and chemical weapons. Such an attack would then be less illegal than it is currently with the treaties in place, which would mean less chance of the Internation Criminal Court to bring charges of war crimes against those who attacked.

  226. Remove Theresa May’s Police protection completely as She has done
    regarding U.K.Voters-Public.
    Dump Her in middle of any City U.K. and leave Her.
    How long would She last? Call 101 Mrs May…999 Very Busy At This Time!

  227. From the Salisbury Journal, the words of Andy Hyett of SDH.

    “It certainly wakes you up when you get that phone call at 5.50 in the morning. I will never get over that phone call.

    “It is pretty unique.”

    He said: “The first phone calls started coming in about 5.50 in the morning where it started to become clear there had been events in Salisbury on the Sunday.

    “What we couldn’t do at that point was spread ourselves around the organisation because we didn’t know what we were dealing with.” The incident was later declared as a major incident by the hospital and Mr Hyatt says “by 10 o’clock it was a multi-agency major incident”.

    Full article

    https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/17476699.salisbury-hospital-staff-praised-for-handling-of-nerve-agent-attack/

    So what changed overnight?
    DSB arriving?
    Skripal symptoms?
    Acetylcholine esterase assay results?

    What made the calls happen at 5:30am Monday morning?
    Why did the decontamination actions begin so early on Sunday evening?

      1. Dodgy Nick put his size 10s in and bungled Operation.
        The Wheel was now coming off MI56-TPTB-HMG plan.

      1. My hunch is that
        – either Skripals were used in a sting operation without realising that they were the perfect victims – the cynical version
        – or involved in a delivery someone decided to stop – the nice version

        In both cases private/official British secret service would know the substance involved right from the start.

    3. Andy Hyett words give the impression that the hospital staff didn’t worry spontaneously about the patients, but that they came under the influence of police.

    4. I think it was Bailey coming in.
      Note that Andy Hyett said „there had been events [plural] in Salisbury on the Sunday“.
      Skripals on the bench was ONE event. And the other ?
      Decontamination was related to the Skripals as a follow up, not a separate event.

      We have to make a difference between major incident and multi-agency major incident.
      I think a major incident was declared earlier.
      Never forget the police car at SDH was cordoned off early on Monday morning. WHY ?

  228. When Dawn died the family had to go “cap in hand” to a charity to pay for her funeral.

    When Charlie was rehomed he was put into a flea pit, when he complained that the place was disgusting he was given some vouchers to buy paint and told to do it himself despite being physically not capable. He relied on charity to furnish it. When his Energy Key runs out of credit he goes cold and hungry.

    Now compare those stories with what happened to DS Bailey and the Skripals. New home, new roof, new possessions, new cars, new lives. All paid by the taxpayer.

    The people that make the rules and enforce them are sick, too sick to be allowed to continue this Hoax and Cover Up spending millions of taxpayer’s money covering up crime and giving money to their deserving causes.

    The only way to stop this grotesque madness is to make sure that every MP that has not kicked up a stink over this is not re-elected at the next General Election.

    Without the consent of those MP’S this situation would not be possible.

    1. Can anyone tell me where Charlie was living at the time he and Dawn were taken ill. At this time I seem to remember mixed versions as to what Charlie worked at, if anything at all and how much the property was worth. Also does anyone know when Charlie found the bottle of perfume?

      1. ciarán, Charlie was living in Muggleton road (were he and Dawn get poisoned) since June 2018. The flat was paid for by the Wiltshire Council rehabilitation program. I don´t know if Charlie had to pay a little rent.

        Charlie said he found the bottle on June 27. But there are doubts if this is true.

        1. Thanks Liane,
          I seem to remember someone posting that Charlie had recently moved into a new house and they questioned how he could afford the mortgage. Your response puts that to bed.
          As for when the bottle was found, I’m trying to figure out how long it had been in the bin. It could not possibly have been there for months.
          Cheers.

    2. The Russian Embassy in London should offer a ridiculously high reward – say £20m for information leading to the whereabouts of the Skripals. If they posted it on social media – it would piss off the British Establishment. All those involved in this false flag and cover up are criminals and there should be more than one who would be tempted!

      1. Josie, are you familiar with MH17 ?
        An anonymous client contracted private detective Josef Resch to pay 47 million US$ for leads to perpetrators.
        http://wifka.de/news-mh17.html

        Josef Resch got the information, the money (or a part) was paid.
        But Resch was silenced with great pressure by German and Dutch authorities.
        What he found out was never published.
        Someone bought the truth and hid them in a drawer. Maybe in 50 years…

  229. This overall revue of the ‘Skripal’ case put out by the Russian Embassy two days ago does not mention at 1X ‘The Skripals current situation’ Yulia’s phone call to her cousin Victoria on 24th July 2018 “I now understand everything”. https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6762

  230. In 1984, Winston is employed in the ministry of truth, having to rewrite history to reflect the constantly changing truth of the present. This Novihoax business is certainly generating work for the future.
    I seem to recall that an epidemiology of alcoholism study revealed that journalists were the occupational group at greatest risk, I now understand why.
    Whilst no fan of ‘Tommy Robinson’, his recording of the BBCs John Sweeney living it large at the taxpayers expense, gives an insight into this occupational ‘risk’.

  231. Fellow Blogmirers

    I sent the message below to Karen Gardner of BBC Wiltshire and copied Jane Corbin of Panorama fame, and our friend Mark Urban.
    I would suggest that as many of us as possible keep up the pressure and contact these people.
    The duck feed is my focus.

    Dear Karen,

    I heard you Salisbury anniversary broadcast.
    Interesting in many respects, not least being that it is one of the few factual accounts of some of the events of early March 2018.
    In my younger day, I might have wanted to be a journalist, looking to break the big Watergate type story.
    Sadly, that did not happen, but I have always had the naïve impression that truth and “the story” would win the day.
    You correctly point out, because YOU SAW IT, that there was a lot of police foot traffic in and out of Sergei Skripal’s home in the early days after the Sunday, March 4th incident.
    How this protected the crime scene, contained evidence integrity is impossible to explain.
    However, officers without HazMat gear, taking their sandwiches and drinks into the house seems beyond ridiculous, even for Wiltshire Police Department.
    The scene either contained opiates, (Fentanyl, Carfentanil) or the world’s most deadly nerve agent.
    Maybe both. (Maybe neither)
    Sergeant Nick Bailey, by his own admission in the Panorama programme, had broken in to the house and become ill. He gained entry at midnight on Sunday and had begun to feel unwell when he returned home.
    However, on the Monday and Tuesday (March 5th and 6th) you had witnessed officers in normal garb, apparently using the crime scene (with the door handle dosed with Novichok) as a fast food eatery.
    Later in the week, the Met Counter Terror Team took over the investigation.
    Your colleagues Jane Corbin and Mark Urban, who are copied on this, have very different versions of the events, and Sergei’s role in the Salisbury community.
    What seemed even more incredulous was that Keir Pritchard and his Wiltshire Police Force were unaware of Sergei Skripal’s past history as a double agent.
    Mo, his former neighbour, the other drinking buddies at the pubs and clubs where Sergei drank were all aware of his past.
    Mark Urban chronicled many visits Sergei had with his MI6 handlers, and it appears that Sergei was on a “don’t stop” list, but no one told Wiltshire CID.

    A local story, you may want to follow up with is the notorious Duck Feed incident.
    Sergei Skripal feeding bread to ducks, with three young boys present.
    Indeed, one of the boys ate a piece of the bread Sergei had.
    This happened at some time on the Sunday afternoon.
    The Sun reported it on March 28th, claiming it was 1-45pm on Sunday March 4th.
    Five weeks later in early May, the Times reported the same incident. This version had the incident at 4pm, shortly before the collapse of both Skripals at the park bench.
    What may interest an investigative journalist is:

    If the police showed the CCTV footage of the duck feed to Mrs Cooper, young Aiden’s mother (and they did) then why would the timeline been unclear?
    Why did Jane Corbin and the Panorama team ignore this vital piece in the narrative (and they did)?
    If the incident happened at 1-45pm, then this is immediately after Skripal drove his car to Sainsbury’s, and very shortly his interaction with the dosed door handle.
    If it happened at 4pm as the Times reported, then a 65-year-old man, succumbing to nerve agent attack, decides to feed bread to ducks, shortly before becoming unconscious, along with his healthy young daughter, might provoke some sort of journalistic spark to inquire further.

    Karen, I have emailed Jane and Mark before.
    To date, no replies.
    I get the impression, maybe incorrectly, that the plebeian masses, of which I one, are not worthy.
    I hope a local person may be more inquisitive and responsive.
    Yes, I am a licence payer.

    Regards,
    Duncan

    1. Dear Duncan,
      I really hope you get an answer.
      Can you please give a link to the Karen Gardner piece.

      1. John Goss, thanks for sharing your blogpost.
        You published a Pablo Miller re-tweed. Very interesting.
        Do you have saved more Miller tweeds ?
        I would be interested to see more.

      2. Spot on, John, absolutely spot on.

        This thread and the previous ones are all going in circles on this issue, it seems virtually everyone has bought the official lie that Novichok was the tool of poisoning.

        There has never ever been any Novichok or a nerve agent of similar potency in the public domain in Britain, full stop, no more speculations, no more guesses how much, where it came from, who synthesised it, bla, bla.

        If such a substance were deployed not only the two Skripals, but everyone else who has touched them after they got infected, or touched anything they handled (if they were to somehow live that long) would be dead, the town of Salisbury (and Amesbury) would be cordoned off, fully decontaminated, possibly levelled off, we would be in war with Russia.

        The samples, if there were any (there wasn’t an independent party to any of the sampling, only people who had a dog in the fight, or inspectors from the OPCW, an outfit fully in control of the Americans) these samples got spiked, most likely in Porton Down, the facility’s just round the corner.

        How could anyone with functioning brain cell still entertain the idea that Novichok was what did the harm to the two individuals on the bench (not the Skripals, but that’s another story) beggars belief.

  232. I’m surprised the alleged sex worker has not come forward with
    her story of events at hotel.
    Did she ever exist? MSM would pay a lot of money for a story
    like hers if true. Or would her version destroy the hoax lie?

    1. She was presumably hired by MI6 to spring a honey trap on P&B. I expect MI6 are paying her more than the MSM would.

    2. I have always believed that the entire story of them frollicking with a prostitute in London was a total fantasy. Because note when this story came out: after the Russian media’s heavy critique of the their own two ‘suspects’: their was unanymous consent about two things: (1) these were not professional spies, could in no way be GRU, FSB or whatever; (2) most likely closet gays. In particular the last assertion completely took the UK media by surprise – it was a knee-jerk, believable reaction and evaluation of these two and it completely questioned the whole narrative of these two as suspects. Hence the prostitute story – which of course was in one of the most reputable papers in the UK.

      1. I agree. The narrative was going into a direction – persecution of gays – British media did not wish to go in the case of Borishov and Petrov.

  233. Another great piece, Rob. More questions that the Met will find hard to answer.

    What happened to Basu anyway? He seems to have disappeared from public view, at least in the Skripal case where he was he appeared to be the main spokesman at the start. Maybe he couldn’t keep a straight face while presenting a narrative that has got less and less believable.

  234. At long last, the weekend saw Russia opening up and asking a long list of questions re the skripals.
    Blogmirers will not be suprised that this has received scant reportage in our ‘trusted media’.
    Looking at the BBCs (ministry of information) reaction it would seem the UK is continuing to double down on this Novihoax.There were two online features yesterday, one, where Mark Urban continues his excellent work in proposing that the Salisbury events show that Russia is in breach of chemical weapons treaties and is in fact stockpiling such weapons.
    Mark also followed up on last nights newsnight looking to ‘wag the dog’ and questioning why the US has failed to respond and to take action against Russia.
    Given the way events are starting to unfold in the US, by holding this line the UK is playing a very high stakes game.

    1. George Orwell’s 1984

      Quote from Wikipedia:

      In the novel, Great Britain (“Airstrip One”) has become a province of a superstate named Oceania. Oceania is ruled by the “Party”, who employ the “Thought Police” to persecute individualism and independent thinking.

      The class hierarchy of Oceania has three levels:

      (I) the upper-class Inner Party, the elite ruling minority, who make up 2% of the population.
      (II) the middle-class Outer Party, who make up 13% of the population.
      (III) the lower-class Proletariat, who make up 85% of the population and represent the uneducated working class.

      As the government, the Party controls the population with four ministries:

      the Ministry of Peace deals with war and defence.
      the Ministry of Plenty deals with economic affairs (rationing and starvation).
      the Ministry of Love deals with law and order (torture and brainwashing).
      the Ministry of Truth deals with news, entertainment, education and art (propaganda).

      Sounds familiar?

    1. Who was the man with Sturgess? Sure doesn’t look like Rowley.

      There a second video at that store recorded late that evening. In that one it seems apparent that Sturgess was on a bender that day. While I don’t want to read to much into a couple of videos, her distended belly is a possible sign of serious liver issues.

      2. I doesn’t look like an adult to me. The tracksuit top, 3 quarter lenght trackies/trousers/pants, trainers. More like the clothes of a teenager. Also appears more interested in the sweets than what Dawn is purchasing. I think she had a son, did I read at the weekend he was seeking answers from Vladimir Putin via The Mirror at the weekend?

        1. I am talking of the video at: Daniel Rich says:
          March 5, 2019 at 2:51 am, prior to the two RT links.

    2. It is nearby her homeless hostel. And the next morning, 30 June, she was at Charlie house and was poisoned with Novichok? Seems like she have been quite popular in the neighborhood.

  236. A reporter who went to Sergei’s house described how she saw several police officers “going in and out that front door”.
    Broadcast today on BBC Radio Wiltshire:

    [1:08] Karen Gardner:
    “By the Tuesday, sites across the city were being cordoned off, including Zizzi’s restaurant and the Mill pub. I was here that morning in Christie Miller Road outside Sergei Skripal’s house” (…)
    Now, as the counter-terrorism Network and the Metropolitan Police officers were taking over the investigation, Wiltshire Police were here in some numbers, a handful of officers going in and out of the house, not all wearing protective clothing, carrying drinks flasks and sandwich wrappers. We didn’t know then how infamous that front door was going to become (…) ”

    [1:40.37] Ben Prater:
    “Our reporter Karen Gardner was there this time twelve months ago”

    Karen Gardner [report from twelve months ago]:
    “(…) At the moment there’s quite a lot of activity. When I arrived, there were six or seven police officers and PCSOs coming out of the door. Some of those have left, a couple more have arrived. There is a visible presence outside the house, em, and severe frowning when I walk too close. A lot of the windows are open and I did see coffee flasks and provisions and empty boxes and things brought out, so it looks like there was a lot of activity late last night overnight.”

    Ben Prater:
    “And Karen’s back at the home of Sergei Skripal for us this morning”

    Karen Gardner:
    “And very different it is for us this morning, Ben.
    (…)
    [1:42:.55] When I was here a year ago, I watched Wiltshire police officers with no or minimal protective clothing going in and out that front door. They were carrying coffee flasks. They appeared to have had refreshments in the house overnight. That was two days after the Skripals had collapsed, at the point the Met had taken over the investigation. (…)”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p070vg5p

    Hmm … So those police were not contaminated, but Nick Bailey became seriously ill – despite wearing a full protective suit?

    And the police had plenty of food and drink for themselves but ignored Sergei’s pets – who died as a result of thirst and hunger?

    I think I need a drink.

    1. Reading your post brings out the absurdity of the narrative concerning the pets. If the front door was being opened and closed, hungry and thirsty cats would have been off like a shot. They would then have been seen in the area – which, according to neighbours, they were not.

      As for the guinea pigs, they were said to have been in a large cage in Sergei’s office and they are certainly not silent animals:
      “Guinea Pig sounds and what they might mean”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB8j3X3UyZA

      Either the coppers were as dumb as a sack of rocks, or the pets had already gone.

    2. Thanks very much for this Brendan.

      Super interesting. Strange though it may seem, although my assumption had always been that there were plain-clothed officers going in and out the house, I don’t think I’d ever heard it confirmed as an undisputed fact, and had only ever seen pictures that implied it, rather than confirmed it.

      The door handle theory was already impossible, even without this report. Anyone who still believes it after hearing this needs serious help. I am astonished that Karen Gardner seems not to realise the implications of her own reporting.

      Best wishes,

      Rob

      1. I had believed all along that the house was sealed off for days, because no activity was reported there until 8th March, apart from officers standing guard outside.

        The story has unravelled so much in the past year that I’m starting to think that Petrov and Borishov (or whoever they are) might even be acquitted if they hand themselves over for arrest. Even a highly politicised justice system – like in the UK – would not like to sacrifice its credibilty by finding P&B guilty.

    3. One wonders if those police officers are feeling just a teeny bit suspicious of events….or any intelligence officers at all….

    4. Brendan, thank you very much for this.
      I´ve collected numerous pictures of the developement at the house.
      I think Karen Gardner refers to the events that took place on March 7.
      The whole day police and officers in plain clothes took things out the house.
      The first forensic tents were erected that day.
      I could give the licence plates of the vehicles involved.
      But I had the impression that they entered the house from the back side.
      I´ve NOT seen a SINGLE picture of someone entering via the FRONT DOOR EVER !

      1. She explicitely says FRONT DOOR. She actually says that journalists were given the go away look, so she could not get near. Surely she would not have watched it all from the back door.
        She seems to have been there early, as she says policemen had been there throughout the night.
        And I think it is timed March 5, as the date is set at “this day one year ago”.

      2. Liane, Karen Gardner was referring to Tuesday 6th March 2018 yesterday when she tweeted:
        “Broadcasting today, as I was 363 days ago, from next to Sergei Skripal’s house. It was 2 days after his collapse in The Maltings.
        (…)
        12:48 AM – 4 Mar 2019 ”
        https://twitter.com/KarenJGardner/status/1102490876033622017

        And on the Ben Prater show yesterday she also mentioned ‘Tuesday’, and later on she said “That was two days after the Skripals had collapsed”. She also mentioned that Zizzi and the Mill had been cordoned off (which happened late Monday night/early Tuesday morning).

        However it is possible that she is mixing up Tuesday 6th with Wednesday 7th March 2018.

        That tweet yesterday shows part of an image she actually posted in a tweet last year on the Wednesday:
        “Police activity continues inside and outside the home of Sergei Skripal
        (…)
        7 Mar 2018”
        https://twitter.com/KarenJGardner/status/971299126817296386

        She also said on the radio yesterday: “the counter-terrorism Network and the Metropolitan Police officers were taking over the investigation” and “the Met had taken over the investigation”.

        The Met/CT did not take over the investigation until Tuesday afternoon (officially, at least).

        “You will be aware that this afternoon, the Metropolitan Police have confirmed that, due to the unusual circumstances, the Counter Terrorism network will now be leading this investigation, as it has the specialist expertise to do so.”
        https://web.archive.org/web/20180306182236/https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/article/1742/Statements-from-Wiltshire-Police-on-Major-Incident-in-Salisbury

        So maybe she really meant Wednesday 7th even though yesterday she repeatedly referred to the Tuesday.

          1. I think more likely Wednesday, judging by Karen Gardner’s reports from last March. Real-time accounts are usually more reliable than recollections. A year on, she could have got the days mixed up.

            However I can’t see any other evidence of police in the house on March 7. Liane, I can’t see anything from that day in your link, only from 9th March.

            The BBC’s Tom Symonds and Leila Nathoo ‏reported renewed activity at the house, but not until Thursday.
            https://twitter.com/leilanathoo/status/971726761150042112
            https://twitter.com/BBCTomSymonds/status/971726246420852736

            But if it’s three days after the Maltings incident instead of two, it’s still hard to believe that the animals died due to neglect for that length of time.

            And the fact that officers were going in and out using the front door (handle) is still of significance, regardless of the date.

            1. I fully agree that your finding is VERY important, Brendan.
              Why not a single photographer made a shot of people coming out of the front door ? IT´s A PITY !
              But there are a lot of indications that MI6 searched the house over night many times. Only a few photos of them exist. But the next day more items where placed in the garden.
              We know what they were looking for…

          1. This is Sergei Skripal’s car! This car was parked at the house much earlier than March 18, it is noticeable even on Google map!

            2. Iris, I don’t think so, Sergei’s car is Burgundy red (also seen in that sat image). The other car probably belongs to a visitor.

              1. I agree with Brendan, iris: the Vauxhall Corsa is an unmarked police car.

                Sergei’s BMW, also in the google satellite view shot, is physically a much bigger vehicle than a Corsa – were you to see the two from overhead, the difference in the footprint size would be apparent. The vehicle parked next to Sergei’s BMW is, if anything, larger and definitely wider – it might be a 4×4, or an SUV or similar.

                1. The blue car on Googlemap – and it can’t be a simple coincidence. Besides, isn’t it possible to identify the owner of a blue car by its number?

              2. Why a visitor parked his car earlier BMW Sergei? The visitor’s car can’t leave, Sergey’s car blocked the road. Because it`s are no visitors. This is Sergey’s second car – newer and more expensive.

                1. Even though google satellite view has updated the copyright to 2019, iris, the image is older. When google streetview is checked, the image capture is dated 2009; then, there was a blue car, and a silver car. But the Skripals didn’t buy the house until two years later.

                  If we assume that the red car is/was Sergei’s BMW, it is a fact that the last known occasion that the vehicle was parked outside the house was 4 March 2018. After that time, only vehicles connected with a continuous police presence were to be seen. And for most of 2019 (given that it’s only the beginning of March), the house itself has been covered in enclosed scaffolding.

                  Why are you assuming that the blue car is Yulia’s? She’d been a regular but infrequent visitor to Salisbury, once she returned to Russia four or five years ago. There might be an argument that the dark vehicle, in the satellite image, was Sasha’s because he’d been living at 47CMR up until his death in 2017, but I don’t understand why you think it belongs to Yulia.

                  1. PS And the Vauxhall Corsa couldn’t have been Sasha’s car because a 67 registration would only have come into effect on 1 September 2017, and Sasha had already died by then.

                    2. Fair enough – I don’t agree with your version of these events and we can agree to differ.

                      But after 4 March, images in the public domain show a police presence and some type of police vehicle outside 47CMR, at least until more vehicles arrived and the forensics and then the clean-up phase began. No sign of any Skripal vehicle at all.

                      Someone else will have to either persuade me, or persuade you, about this.

            1. It’s possible that she was discouraged from reporting police activity at the house on Tuesday the 6th, since she was met with “severe frowns” (to use her own words).

      1. The photographs look like the scene was created for the media
        https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/photography-advice/
        “Creating vantage points

        When areas are cordoned off following an incident, creating a vantage point, if possible, where members of the media at the scene can see police activity, can help them do their job without interfering with a police operation. However, media may still report from areas accessible to the general public.”
        “Access to incident scenes
        The Senior Investigating Officer is in charge of granting members of the media access to incident scenes. In the early stages of investigation, evidence gathering and forensic retrieval take priority over media access, but, where appropriate, access should be allowed as soon as is practicable.”

      2. Thanks Liane,

        Tuesday morning looks quite conclusive.
        I didn’t see the coconut mat as it was just out of shot on my screen.

        It must have been dripping with the world’s most deadly nerve agent.
        Just luck those three in the clip had the protective gear on…..

      1. That’s what I’m not completely sure about, because of contradictions in the journalist’s reports –
        probably the 7th, maybe the 6th, but not the 5th.

        1. Thank you, Brendan (06-03 @ 08:45), and apologies for the lateness in responding, this system Mr. Slane is running doesn’t make it easy to locate postings quickly, it’s often hard to relate who’s responding to what posting, one’s rather lost to navigate through it.

          1. There is an easy way. Hit ctrl+f which will open a search box. Use the search term: “March 6, 2019 at x” where ‘x’ is the hour. So starting with x= 1, then 2 etc. you can scroll through all of the day’s new comments by hour (the only problem is that you get all the am and pm comments at the same time). If you want to view all of yesterday’s comments in one go, just search on “March 5,”

  237. 12 days later perfume bottle-box appears in kitchen. Was bacon wrapping discovered
    at same time?
    Charlie mentioned this but is it another oversight via MI56-TPTB?

    I would like to see this wrapping as evidence. Can Daily Mail-Mirror please supply images.
    Surly this wrapping was found in Charlie’s kitchen bin as highly stressed box-bottle
    was discovered on worktop by Police Forensic Unit.

    Bin would be first place to look I think. If images of wrapping not available due to
    alleged investigation could Daily Mail-Mirror please confirm this detail via Met!

  238. From our friend Mark Urban:

    “The UK says officers from the GRU, Russian military intelligence, smeared a liquid nerve agent on the door handle of Mr Skripal’s house in Salisbury.

    The poison – one of a family developed in the former Soviet Union called Novichok – was, Western officials believe, of relatively recent production, forming part of a hidden or “undeclared” stock.”

    Interesting that the age of production would be known, of a chemical that had only been seen once on a door handle.
    Age is implied by impurity content and degradation.
    Difficult to calculate without reference materials.

    1. I think Uglev produced the stuff. He basically said so.
      He might as well have produced it on demand. The BBC described him as a pensioner but he seems to have had a job in a laboratory until recently.
      There seems to have been some miscalculation on about being able to prove the origin of the stuff or OPCW laboratories being willing to do so.
      There were some curious press releases by Spiez laboratory – while “confirming the result of Porton Down” complaining about being politically instrumentalized, insisting that they would never, never give an opinion on the provenance of chemicals.

      1. 1) It was not Novichok
        2) PD had a sample of whatever it was
        3) Whatever it was it was not then listed by OPCW

        Not likely to be something produced by Uglev.

    2. „Traitors will kick the bucket and choke.“
      Urban will be kicked to the lunchbox and choke with rage.
      (Is that ladylike English ?)

  239. https://www.mk.ru/social/2019/03/04/rossiyskaya-policiya-zanyalas-proverkoy-novogo-dela-skripaley-neponyatnye-dvizheniya.html
    This is mainly the story of the Skripal family in Russia being worried about the sale of Yulia’s car and some activity noticed in Yulia’s flat.
    Viktoria’s lawyer said: “Something strange is going on with regard to the flat, Yulia’s car disappeared. We have no real confirmation that Yulia is alive and capable and that manipulations with her property are being made in accordance with her will.
    We know the presumed circle of people who could have participated in the deal and we are going to report the disappearance of the car to police. The only way to establish lawfulness of what is going on is to question these people and ask them to show Yulia’s power of attorney, if, of course, they have such a document.”
    The MK journalist writes:
    “According to our information, the deal to sell the car was concluded by Yulia’s close friend Gulnara (she and Yulia met in the American consulate in Moscow where they used to work as telephone operators [maybe, in the call centre?]). We wrote in detail about her visit to London last summer. At that time several people confirmed that Yulia had asked to continue the renovation in her flat on Davydkovskaya Street and that she wanted to sign a power of attorney to Gulnara.”
    [in this July article https://www.mk.ru/social/2018/07/04/novyy-rakurs-dela-skripalya-yuliyu-v-britanii-navestila-podruga.html the same author said that the PoA was issued to Diana, the supervisor of the renovation.]
    “…MK found out that Gulnara sold the car through a dealership. Also, at recent time Yulia’s best friend has been in regular contact with realtors. But for the time being there is no registered announcement that Skripal’s flat is for sale.”
    “…Another curious detail: if previously Gulnara almost daily talked with Yulia on the phone (the latter called her from a British phone number), later Skripal’s daughter stopped calling Russia. In particular, the last time she made a call to her cousin Viktoria was on 24th July 2018.
    According to a source, Yulia Skripal continued to communicate with her friend via Internet sessions. And very recently Gulnara got in touch with someone in the Netherlands. Operatives suspect that that short call (around 10 seconds) was made to establish a new communication channel with Yulia.The call was followed by a long Internet session. Interestingly, that call was made very soon after Yelena Skripal Jr [Viktoria’s sister, Yulia’s cousin] sent a text message to Yulia’s previous British phone number. She texted that Sergei’s mother was going to file a request for the search of missing persons and that she hoped that Yulia will get in touch with Russian relatives.”

    1. This is the first report I’ve seen that mentioned Viktoria’s sister, who has made no comments to the press. Still don’t know how Viktoria is related to Sergei. Is it her mother or father that’s a sibling of Sergei? Viktoria is so much older than Yulia and when combined with the number of years that Yulia has lived abroad and when in Russia didn’t live that close to Viktoria that it’s not surprising that Viktoria has very limited first hand information about Yulia.

      Does Yulia have no maternal relatives – grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins? Perhaps not, but if there are any, it would be odd that such familial ties wouldn’t be at least as close as those to her father’s family. (It appears to me that Yulia was close to her mother.)

      And still nothing about Alexandr – education, employment, and residences.

      1. https://rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6481

        Sergei and Yulia Skripal’s living relatives include:

        – Elena Yakovlevna Skripal, 89 years, Sergei’s mother and Yulia’s grandmother, and
        – Viktoria Valerievna Skripal, 45 years, daughter of Sergei’s deceased brother Valery and thus Sergei’s niece, Yulia’s cousin and Elena’s granddaughter.

        Elena and Viktoria reside together in Yaroslavl, a regional capital 250 km north-east of Moscow.
        Media reports have mentioned more distant relatives living in “Siberia”. There is no detailed information about them or their interest in the case under consideration.

      2. Yelena Jr (or Elena) was also mentioned here:

        https://www.stalkerzone.org/interview-with-viktoriya-skripal-the-niece-of-the-poisoned-double-agent-sergey-skripal/

        Viktoria: “There is nobody else who can go. The closest relative of the Skripals is Sergey’s mother. She is nearly 90 years old, and she lives with me. There is a cousin [of Yulia] Elena Skripal in Primorye, but she had serious problems because of this story.”

        What problems?

        Viktoriya shows a document — a warning to Elena Skripal about the need to leave the working accommodation given to her.

        Viktoria: “She lived there for seven years as a civilian, and nobody touched it. Two minor children are registered in the apartment (born in 2011 and 2014 respectively, the documents are at the disposal of “MK”). And now, when the scandal became known and that Elena Skripal is the relative of Sergey and Yulia, they were asked to leave.”

        1. That is a very distanced way to talk about a sister. Maybe married to Viktoria’s brother?

      3. “Still don’t know how Viktoria is related to Sergei” – I believe that Viktoria is the daughter of Sergei’s elder brother (deceased).

  240. To Iris

    Do you speak Russian, if so, can you tell me what a Niva is? I think it might be what we call In England a ‘port-wine stain’, in Latin it’s a ‘nevus flammeus’, the same as Mikhail Gorbachev had?

    2. No, it is not. Niva in Russian is a field seeded with wheat, corn or anything like that. But with capital N I think it is a Russain made car model.

    3. This is a brand of Soviet car, or the name of a Soviet agricultural farm. This word means a field of wheat.

  241. One cannot but admire not just your persistence in seeking the truth, Mr. Slane, but even more so your courage, thank you.

    In Russia, many individuals and groups, not just Navalny, back publicly the official British narrative both in print and on the TV. Here, there’s no one public figure, no politician, no MSM journalist, no nobody (except you and few others on blogs) who would question the illogical, totally unsupportable, and as you point out, the absurd Government’s narrative of what actually happened in Salisbury on March 4. Frightening this.

    1. Natural. People both sides don’t like the propaganda of their own side.

      I guess it is time for a propaganda compromise.

  242. I want to compare Rob´s brilliant analysis to a piece written by Philip Ingram MBE :
    https://greyharemedia.com/skripal-and-salisbury-an-infamous-combination-one-year-on/

    Ingram is a former British Army Intelligence Officer and Colonel, who was based near Salisbury in the past. So he should have some inside knowledge.

    Ingram : „Mishkin and Chepiga’s trip to Salisbury on Saturday 3rdMarch 2018 would be to confirm the route to take to Sergei Skripal’s house from Salisbury Station, look for signs of him being watched by British Intelligence, confirm their escape plan and possibly meet with at least one member of the team that carried out the ‘pattern of life study,’ before returning to London.“

    All this within 100 minutes of stay ???
    Ingram really wants to tell us that the GRU is unable to determine the route and the escape route from Moscow ? In the satellite age !
    Also Ingram as an Intelligence Officer should know that Mishkin and Chepiga would never meet other members of the team in Salisbury. It´s a „golden hit squad rule“.

    Then Ingram tries to explain the Novichok in the hotel room :
    Ingram : „Early on Sunday 4thMarch, Mishkin and Chepiga return to Salisbury with a fake Nina Ricci Premier Jour perfume bottle filled with deadly Novichok in Russia having replaced the cap with a special applicator that morning.“

    REALLY ? And then they had the Novichok in the rucksack all the time ?
    If this would be true, why would they take the perfume packaging with them ?
    With the applicator attached, there was no room left for the bottle in the box.

    Ingram : „At some point they will have taken their contaminated gloves off and disposed of them, that is probably the point they dropped the fake Nina Ricci Premier Jour perfume bottle and exactly where all of this happened is not known publicly yet, neither are the details of their movements around Salisbury before catching the train back to London and then to Heathrow. How and where they disposed of their contaminated gloves has never been mentioned and the fate of the fake Nina Ricci Premier Jour perfume is too well known when Charlie Rowley gave it to his girlfriend Dawn Sturgess on 30thJune 2018 and she sprayed its contents onto her skin, exposing herself to a lethal dose of Novichok.“

    Ingram completely ignores that Charlie found a SEALED box !!!
    This „minor contradiction“ Ingram wants to dissolve by sowing general doubts about Charlie’s statements :

    Ingram : „The detail of where Charlie Rowley found the contaminated perfume bottle and when he found it are unclear. It is distinctly possible he found it in early March and put it in his bag, forgetting it was there until he unpacked after moving into new accommodation from a homeless shelter in June.“

    Ingram´s explanation why we will not be provided with more evidence :
    „However, we have to remember there is a politically sensitive, highly complex live murder investigation ongoing, so it is unlikely much of this detail will be released because we don’t need to know.“

    Finally, Ingram once again gives a clear hint to a team :
    Ingram : „…we are missing details of the team that will have carried out the pattern of life study, we are missing details of what Mishkin and Chepiga did in London.“

    This sentence contains two assumptions – hit squad and Russian Embassy – that have recently been used by other media :

    On March 3 the German SPIEGEL interviewed the Head of the Moscow website “The Insider”.
    He is currently on the trail of the fourth Skripal suspect.
    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/sergej-skripal-wie-russlands-investigativjournalisten-verdaechtige-agenten-enttarnen-a-1255719.html

    On March 3 the MIRROR headlined :
    Salisbury police hunt FIVE more suspects over failed plot to kill Sergei Skripal
    MI5 and counter-terror police believe they targeted former double-agent Sergei Skripal on March 4 last year as part of an eight-strong death squad.
    This would have included a surveillance unit, someone to deliver the novichok and someone to follow Sergei’s daughter Yulia as she flew to the UK from Moscow.
    And it is believed a safe house would also be on standby in case the assassination attempt was compromised.
    The Mirror previously revealed it is thought the novichok may have been brought here using a diplomatic bag. A GRU spy attached to the Russian embassy may have then passed it on.
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/salisbury-police-hunt-five-more-14082053

    By chance The Mail On Sunday investigation suggests the Russian Ambassador Alexander Yakovenko was a Soviet spy :
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6764553/Damning-evidence-Putins-man-London-expelled-US.html

    1. Taking photographs for Family Album off bridge and indulging
      in hobby of coin-stamp collecting while on travels.
      Yeah real GRU covert actions…?

      Red Haired Female hiding up steeple of Cathedral showing
      way to Ground Agents with a Laser pointer.

  243. Thinking about the statement coaching which went on. The expressions “pin-pricked” and “infusion” are not what I (an English person) would use.
    Are these expressions common in the USA ?

  244. https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/03/04/informatory-otkazalis-brat-dengi-po-otravleniyu-skripalya.html

    The Russian journalist from the Moscow Komsomolets (MK) newspaper talked to his unnamed counterpart from a “major British media outlet.” In reply to the question whether there were contradictions between the official narrative and non-official information, the Briton said that there had been nothing contradictory in police-issued information.

    The Russian journalist asked whether there were official or non-official bans on certain info about the Skripal case. The Briton said: “No bans. But MoD asked not to disclose the names of the soldiers who did the decontamination work…”

    Question: Do you know anything about as to how Yulia Skripal’s only video interview was arranged?
    Answer: Those who filmed Yulia – a cameraman and a correspondent – said: she was brought, it was forbidden to talk to her, she was handed the text, then she was taken away. There was a call from Scotland Yard on the eve of the interview, they said: that one is to film, this one is to take interview, and that’s all. But if honestly, many journalists were frightened. I know that some even refused to go to the poisoning scene, because they were afraid of the Novichock impact.

  245. Dodgy Nick probably tried burying his mobile phone in field at rear of
    House. Because of pinprick eyes he didn’t turn it off.
    Reported it missing-lost 47 CMR during Illegal Search but GPS found
    phone in field….[Please Explain]

    Mrs Bailey found out Dodgy was not doing what he clamed and departed
    taking Car-Kids Toys-Wedding Album-Pictures.

    The Warrant Card Club worked together covering Dodgy Nicks dirty trail-secret
    but they not singing off same song sheet.

    Dodgy Lost Everything!

    1. Pinprick eyes? On a bender after hours in Zizzi’s
      Admitted SDH with alcohol poisoning………………
      Mrs Bailey dumped him taken kids file for divorce.

  247. Rob,
    A long time ago you spoke to the mother of one of the boys who received some bread from the Skripals to feed the ducks, if I remember correctly. If I were the father of one of those boys, I would have been furious that the authorities waited 2 weeks before contacting me about the incident, since if the official Novichok scenario were correct, then the authorities’ delay in contacting my family would have jeopardized the health of my son, and yet they must have had CCTV footage of the duck-feeding incident and could have traced the boys’ families almost immediately. Did the mother you spoke to comment about the delay, and did she tell you how the authorities glossed over this supposed negligence?

    1. Phil,

      I will let Rob answer in full but I know he did make contact.
      The Duck Feed incident was the subject of my official complaint to WPD.
      After many months of inactivity, their final response was the Met Counter Terror Team were handling the investigation and PHE were responsible for public health.
      I have since asked Wiltshire Police and Crime Commission to move my complaint to the Met.
      This will not get anywhere, “Active, ongoing investigation…”
      HOWEVER
      The incident did take place.
      The police showed the CCTV footage to Aiden’s parents, some two weeks after the 1-45pm incident.
      It is footage, the only footage where Sergei is shown on that Sunday.
      It disproves the door handle dosing fantasy.

      The three boys were identified by Aiden,
      They were told to report to SDH for tests.
      The parents were advised to burn the clothing they were wearing.

      If the three sets of parents got together, found a lawyer, they would have excellent grounds to sue.

      I have been banging on about this for months.
      This is the gap in the HMG story.
      This could be a wedge into the whole lie.

  248. This morning, comment on the anniversary of the Skripal incident, Sky News reported that DS Nick Bailey was the first responder to the Skripals and that was how he was poisoned. The corporate media really are a joke. Sky News is apparently unable to even follow the official narrative, seemingly having forgotten that the police deny he was a first responder and was supposedly contaminated at Skripal’s house. They also seem to think that we do not know that the first responder was Col Alison McCourt, the Army’s senior nursing officer. Any idea why Sky News cannot stick to the official narrative (other than the fact that it’s barking mad)?

    2. Under any other circumstances, content masquerading as editorial would be flagged as an advertising feature or whatever.

      This doesn’t seem to apply to official press releases, which are fluffed to look like editorial content. Putting your name to what can justifiably be called propaganda, now that is cheap.

      And it doesn’t only apply to Sky, in varying degrees pretty much all msm does it.

  249. Now 47 CMR encased in a Spacesuit of it’s own I was just wondering if
    next door neighbour was or has been evacuated. Has this property been
    unoccupied since 04-03-18?

    Due to amazing morphing of Novihoax climbing walls-drainpipe’s from a
    liquid-gel-gas-bouquet had neighbour been informed of risk?

    Has this been another oversight-bungle from TPTB?

    1. And I wonder what happened to the second Sergey`s car and Julia’s car. Who are the owners of these cars now.

    2. Mark, The Novichok used was a special proprietary version.
      As the next door neighbours were not Russian, they were not in any danger.

      The aerosol spray condensed on the roof timbers, but only if those timbers were owned by a Russian.
      The resilient citizens of Salisbury are rebuilding.
      They have worked tirelessly in this, and we must thank of of the authorities who made this possible.
      By the way, don’t pick up any litter.

      1. Duncan, I think Hamish de Lottacrap called it a “boutique” version – which apparently now needed a solvent to make it sprayable… you don’t think that has anything to do our having proved you cannot spray anything as viscous as cooking oil with that applicator do you?

        1. Also, laughably, the official narrative now has P&B removing the ‘plastic cap’ to insert the sprayer… the plastic cap did not exist until Panaorama showed it! And I for one do not recall Charlie saying anything about ‘removing a cap’ – do you?

          1. Nor do I recall Charlie mentioning what a good shake he gave the bottle, before handing it to Dawn.

            1. There is a reason you don’t remember it Eleanor… Charlie didn’t say it.

              We now have complete tosh from Ingram (noted above by Liane), which we can add to the tosh we already have from de Lottacrap, “wannabe” Irving, Urban and a cast of thousands.

              Plus, as a bonus, we now have Vil Mirzayanov proving himself to be a lickspittle liar! He said (in today’s DM):
              ‘Judging by the published scheme of the bottle used by the terrorists, inside it was an isolated compartment containing Novichok, according to the English specialists.’

              Now I don’t recall Charlie talking about the difficulty of releasing whatever was in the ‘isolated compartment’ either! And, having seen the counterfeit bottle… there isn’t one anyway!

              They are falling over their own feet in their ludicrous attempts to put together a story! It is absolutely pathetic!!

              Where is Agatha Christie when you need her? These clowns need help! They are killing themselves.

              1. “Where is Agatha Christie when you need her?”

                Helping detectives with their enquiries. From the grave, obviously.

                Look on the bright side, Paul: there’s a long list of names emerging, of those who will toe the official line, in any circumstances, under any circumstances, whatever the circumstances. This is partly because they’d been persuaded that to tow the line is the right and proper thing to do.

                (However I do have a vague and possibly false recollection that I pondered aloud as to whether the silver upper part of the Premier Jour spray unit might have concealed a small toxic capsule, which was to be used with the visible contents in the glass vial and whether, in fitting the applicator nozzle thingy, Charlie inadvertently combined the two substances; and I may have thought better of the notion, thinking it way too fanciful even by my whimsical standards.)

  250. How on earth could the two suspects Petrov & Boshirov be granted a UK visa, but Viktoria Skripal was denied one?

    1. Viktoria was never going to get a visa because Sergei and Yulia were no longer in the UK by then and it would have all been rather awkward if she had come and then wasn’t allowed to meet them. Easier just to deny the visa.

      1. It all makes sense when you realise it was all a hoax. In fact it only makes sense when you realise it was all a hoax!

        No Skripals on the bench – so no CCTV
        No Skripals in SDH – so no ‘bedside” pictures or interviews with staff
        No Skripals in the UK – so no visa for Viktoria and no consular access for the Russian Embassy
        No nerve agent – so hundreds not dead

        HMG/The Met/ SDH/WPD/PHE/etc – it is just lies.

        2. So who murdered Dawn Summers? oh surely not? Who ordered the operation? Integraty In? The British gov? No it could not have been, murder their own ?

          2. Before Dawn was poisoned, I recall the media and government line was “Look how nasty and dangerous Russia is! They attacked people living in the UK with a horrible nerve agent! You should all be terrified because they might try to kill YOU next!!!”

            But of course most people did not feel threatened at all. Because even if Russia *did* atempt to kill an ex spy, most people would know it would be a very precisely targetted attack which in no way endangers any UK citizen.

            So the media spin to terrify people didn’t work. So they had to have an innocent UK person come to harm. Hence the evolution of the media spin to involve poor Dawn.

            I certainly would not put it past the plotters of this operation, regardless of nationality of murdering poor Dawn.

            1. Just needed to get killed GB citizens by Novichok. But Skrypals have Russian citizenship…. ooops.

          3. ciarán said : “So who murdered Dawn Sturgess?”
            Initially (and for several days), the police thought of a batch of contaminated drugs.
            Then a member of Porton Down telephoned a policeman and said “I’m 75% sure it’s Novichok.” The police reported a major incident and Porton Down was able to take samples from Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess. After people explained to the New York Times that it would be very good if Rowley or Sturgess died, the hospital cut off oxygen to Sturgess.

            1. Poor Dawn stood no chance at all, if the experts at Porton Down weren’t bothered enough to liaise with the hospital.

              SDH must have been liaising with PD when, yet again, an overdose patient failed to respond to administered antidotes to opioid poisoning, and then a second case (Charlie) was admitted and he didn’t respond either. This was the second time in four months that they’d had multiple admissions of this kind, and they did have experience gained from the March emergency to draw on.

  251. I suppose that it is possible that the Chief Constable of Wiltshire police did not know that Sergei had lived in Salisbury for many years.
    Did Mo not tell us that Sergei was anxious in recent months, and taking less risks?
    Possibly even switching on his home CCTV.
    Mark Urban had spoken about “CID Handlers” and I mistakenly thought that they were WPD staff.
    Maybe they were the Met, or some covert Met/MI5/6 super squad running covert operations and dark ops.
    Taking the long view, the success of Salisbury is getting the defence and intelligence budgets boosted.
    A real threat has been identified, and the public understand nerve agents more than “cyber” activities.
    The Daily Mail knows about deadly nerve agents and their impact, rather than super nerds needing more computer power at GCHQ.
    For Mrs May, it proved a short-term Brexit distraction, but young Gavin, aspiring to be as good as Chris Grayling, constantly reminds us that he can achieve new levels of stupidity.

    One year on, we continue to be reminded of the events of March 4th, 2018.
    It seems that every day there is some new event, even Mr. Novichok suddenly remembering that the GRU agents forgot to shake the bottle.
    I reviewed my case notes, and can know confirm through forensic acoustic analysis, it appears that Rus and Alex were not indulging in “hokey pokey” activities on that Saturday night in the London hotel.
    No, the noises and out bursts were Russian expletives, which we can now reveal for the first time.

    Alex “Where is the Novichok solvent you fool.”

    Rus “ You packed it, not me, don’t look at me like that.”

    Alex “ Well, it’s not here, you need to go to Aldi and get some, or this door handle dosing scheme developed by SMERCH will not work.”

    Rus “OK, who is this chap Aldi?”

    2. But they were sayin’ it all in Russian, and that made it sound like terms of endearment.
      .
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      .
      (Thank you, Rob, and please don’t totally wean yourself off this addictive / compulsive / obsessive Skripal stuff!)

  252. The Guardian is still at it:

    Intelligence services investigated unusual activity at the Russian embassy in London in the days before and after the novichok poisoning, it has been reported.

    MI5, MI6 and GCHQ looked into “frantic comings and goings” at the building in Kensington in the days leading up to the poisoning of the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, a source with knowledge of the investigation told the Press Association.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/unusual-activity-russian-embassy-novichok-attack-skripal-poisonings

    and on it goes. Yes, they even cite Bellingcat. There is just one word for journalists and media outlets which unquestioningly recite such blatant lies and propaganda – collaborators.

    1. Yes read it? From “Undocumented Sources”……………… So true to type and the same crap.

    2. That Guardian article is a good example of an article that says essentially nothing.

      All it says is that an unnamed source said that there was increased activity at the embassy that was investigated. Now, it might be news-worthy if they could report on the results of that year-long investigation. Or even if it would report on the particular activity which aroused such interest. It is worth noting that the article does not report that this activity was considered suspicious.

      I had a look at the UK’s Russian Emabssy website to see what activities were reported there in the days around 4 March 2018.

      On 1 Mar 2018, there was the Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly. This is quite a big deal, and I can imagine more people that usual would be coming to the embassy to watch/discuss/report on it.
      https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6403

      On 3 March 2018, there was a meeting with Bulgarian diaspora activists. The photo shows a dozen or so people. So this is possibly an example of “increased activity”.
      https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6409

      On 5 March 2018, the Russian Embassy hosted a briefing for diplomatic corps. The photos indicate perhaps 20 – 30 people, cameramen, etc.
      https://www.rusemb.org.uk/activity/717

      I know this is a crude attempt, but it does demonstate that there does indeed seem to be increased activity at the Russian Embassy in London in the days before and after 4 March 2018. But that activity was legitimate.

      We need to the Guardian article to tell us more details about the activity that the intelligence services alledgedly found worthy of investigation.

      1. !!1.03.18 Putin spoke about the superpower latest weapons, making Russia an invincible country; spoke with a very threatening tone.

  253. The Russian Embassy in London has just published their own 52 page report and summary of the Skripal case from their perspective. I haven’t read it yet but I have no doubt many of their observations and conclusions will be consistent with Rob’s excellent critique.

    https://rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6762

    1. Not just consistent with, but taken from Rob and Craig Murray. Why wouldn’t they?

  254. The Guardian has just published this:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190304105014/https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/unusual-activity-russian-embassy-novichok-attack-skripal-poisonings?CMP=share_btn_tw

    I seem to recall that last year, there were reports about a flurry of “intelligence chatter” around the time of the Skripal incident.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/8bgzjn/british_intelligence_yes_russian_spy_was_poisoned/

    Curiously, Luke Harding tweeted a link to the article after being quiet for quite a while. Will his tweet be the start of some new round of media “chatter”, which would indicate some deeper plan?

    https://twitter.com/lukeharding1968/status/1102502008148377600

    I seem

    1. It is in all the media now.
      They really hate the Russian ambassador.
      https://russkiymir.ru/en/news/252921/

      This here is the Times
      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/establishment-flocks-to-dine-at-kremlin-linked-imperial-orthodox-palestine-society-2zmg8dbkb

      “There could scarcely have been a more representative gathering of the British establishment than the aristocrats and business figures who gathered recently in the flickering light of three giant candelabras for an inaugural dinner in the UK of the Imperial Orthodox Palestine Society.

      At a table in the Peninsular room of the Cavalry and Guards Club in Piccadilly sat a senior courtier to the Queen, a cousin of Prince Charles and a dozen other titled representatives of Britain’s elite.”

    2. I mentioned the Guardian article in a comment but it appears to have gone to moderation.
      I will try again…

      The media are still keeping the incident in the news, with one recent example being this Guardian story.
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/unusual-activity-russian-embassy-novichok-attack-skripal-poisonings
      “The source was quoted as saying: “The intelligence agencies have been investigating unusual and increased activity at the Russian embassy in Kensington in the days leading up to and after the attack on the Skripals.””

      The story reminds me of an this excerpt from the book, “Hate Inc”.

      The public largely misunderstands the “fake news” issue. Newspapers rarely fib outright. Most “lies” are errors of omission or emphasis. There are no Fox stories saying blue states have lower divorce rates, but neither are there MSNBC stories admitting many pro-choice Democrats struggle with a schism between their moral and political beliefs on abortion.

      Most of what’s “fake” is in the caricature: of our own audiences, and especially of despised groups. As even Noam Chomsky said, newspapers are “full of facts.”

      With one exception.

      There is a loophole that involves a procedural flaw in Western journalism’s fact-checking tradition. It’s gotten worse with time. The offending story type nearly always has the same elements:

      It involves national security or law enforcement;

      It’s sourced to unnamed officials;

      The basic gist of the scoop is classified or otherwise unconfirmable.

      The Guardian piece ticks all three boxes. Just like the “Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy” Guardian story which was a pile of nonsense

  255. One year on and the British media are silent. As of 8am GMT no mention on the bbc, the Guardian or the Independent of the anniversary of the Skripal affair. It’s almost like it never happened

    1. there was an item on Saturday. with an intro that basically said that even sceptical observer now accepted that the ‘weight of evidence’ against Russia was convincing. there followed a non-discussion discussion between keir giles, who would not object to being called a cold warrior, and our old friend Hamish de Bretton Gordon…

      1. sorry, ps. it was on the bbc today programme. otherwise it was everyone going to Salisbury and standing outside the skripal house with it new roof.

  256. Super……volunteers should send to every MP in UK…head and members of every local and County Council etc ..every member of Scottish and Welsh Parliaments……because absolutely anywhere in UK this could “happen”….

  257. someone raised the question of why the Russians have not made more of a fuss. I have the same question – which, of course, has an obvious official answer: because they did it. but for all the reasons theblogmire has raised, this seems improbable – and just imagine if this were the other way around and the russians had been holding a young british woman incommunicado all this time – the tabloids would be in meltdown, the foreign office would/should be calling for consular access every day.
    my tentative conclusion is that the brits and the Russians have both known exactly what happened from a very early stage – was sergei skripal maybe trying to get back to Russia with or without official help, and the brits for whatever reason didn’t want him to go? – and have been largely going through the motions. after the initial expulsions, diplomats are being replaced; uk-russia trade was up by nearly 20 per cent last year. see sir laurie bristow’s Interfax interview.

    1. The two Russian guys were sent to make themselves conspicuous, so Russia signaled they knew about – what exactly? – what Yulia was up to, as it was timed for her arrival?

      The going back to Russia story is unconvincing. Skripal was entirely dependent on MI6, income, protection (not much worth but he might not have known that). His status in Russia would have been bad, even if they would let him come back, even if he might have had something to bring as a gift (unlikely, he was out of regular business).

      He was used as a decoy, is my best guess.

    2. Isn’t likely that at least initially, the Russians were keen to minimise the diplomatic damage because of the threat to the World Cup – perhaps rather obvious but it can still be underestimated. When this tournament passed off without a hitch (to most people’s great surprise), Moscow’s attitude to the outside world only became even more indulgent (they even extended visa-free travel to all parts of Russia for World Cup ticket-holders *until the end of the year*). And in the background of course are sanctions which the Kremlin sincerely wants to see lifted ASAP.

      1. There is an argument that sanctions work in favor of Kremlin tax collectors.

        With China and India Russia has alternative clients for its gas supplies. They are not as dependent on Europe as they used to be.

    3. One other point – your “cooperation behind the scenes” narrative is totally undermined by the death of Dawn Sturgess. The fact Salisbury Hospital expedited her death just as the World Cup entered its final week shows clearly that this was a full-blown, almost no-holds-barred propaganda offensive against Russia. The leading suspects are Chris Steele and his associates – part of the team which failed so miserably to get England chosen as the host in 2010. (And in case my patriotism is called into question – IMHO it was spectacularly stupid not to make that a joint bid including Scotland, Wales and both Northern and Southern Ireland). In case anyone is interested there’s an article here which clarifies quite a lot of things: http://only9sixty.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-gaslighting-initiative.html

    4. Mary, I agree with you.
      Just now the whole RussiaGate is falling apart.
      I predict that on March 14 the same will happen with the Steele Dossier.
      What will that mean for the Skripals ?
      Will the UK continue to keep them incommunicado – for a burned source ?
      Or will it not matter any more when Sergei talks ?

      @anidea – I disagree that „Skripal was entirely dependent on MI6, income, protection“.
      I agree that „his status in Russia would have been bad“. But with a low profile and a new identity nobody in his Russian neighborhood would have recognized him.

      1. That is a very precise prediction. First we need Mueller’s report then Trump can finally declassify the FISA warrants… (and the FISC in which the court was misled by the FBI). That will potentially cause Treasonous May (and the Australians) a lot of trouble and the whole story of the Steele dossier will be out. I hope your prediction is correct but it may take a bit longer… maybe a week or so more.

    1. Partially true – but the MSM is paying a price. More and more people are realising that the MSM cannot be trusted and once people wake up to that fact, they do not go back. Look how the BBC is now frequently criticised – that used not to happen at all.

      Faith No More: America’s Trust in Mainstream Media Hits Rock Bottom:

      “When asked how much confidence they had in the media, almost 70 percent of Republican respondents answered “hardly any confidence at all,” while just 25 percent of Democrats held a similar opinion.”
      https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/03/03/faith-no-more-america-trust-mainstream-media-hits-rock-bottom.html

      The 70/25 skew is likely a result of the predominantly left slant of the MSM which is more favourably received by democrats.

      The Met and HMG are leaving a permanent record of its lies – it will be very damaging to them.

    1. “Highly unlikely”. He seems to have realized that there is a problem in the story.
      He is that type of guy. He claimed police were decontaminated the evening of the attack – they were not according to their own testimony.

      1. There is more to it.

        I used to live in a town twice the size of Salisbury and I could be sure to meet at least 5 people I knew when walking through the center.

        Skripals made themselves conspicuous feeding the ducks and went to familiar places they had been before covered by CCTV.

        There must have been people knowing them, saying hello, maybe even talking to them.

        Or, Skripals lived like hermits. But that is “highly unlikely”, too.

      1. The agent making the attack had to push a needle or or other mechanism ‘then several times shake the bottle to achieve fast and complete synthesis of the Novichok.’

        Charlie didn’t mention anything about that when he “prepared” his bottle.

      2. Rob,

        I had to comment on the Mail, using my Marquis of Skipwith nom de plume.
        I now think that my main feeling is one of embarrassment.
        Embarrassed that so many of the UK general population are so stupid.
        I do however have a master plan.
        In May I plan to stand as a Member of the European Parliament.
        That must be right up there on the gravy train.
        Good salary, expenses, unlimited travel to Brussels and Strasbourg.
        No work to be done, nobody checking that I am “representing” them.

        Article 50 extension will mean that MEP elections must happen in the UK.
        I’m there!

      3. And yet, as Rob notes in his excellent article, two weeks later the “inadequately synthesized” Novichok was found to be of high purity and resistant to weather.

      4. What´s your argument, Rob ?
        Didn´t you know that Novichok in a perfume bottle is like a feeding bottle : you shake it and then hold it to your cheek to check the temperature.

    3. If WPD had any part in protecting Sergei, then it was a spectacular fail! They let 2 ‘GRU’ (as they call them) agents, get right up to the house on consective days! How careless was that??

      Maybe the next stage of the hoax is going to require some ‘fault’ on the part of WPD for letting this all happen so Pritchard is getting his retaliation in first.

      Pritchard does, however, have a bit of a problem with this story. We have been told that Sergei ‘feared for his life’ and had been to the police… didn’t they ask who he was?

    4. Rubbish! He would be briefed on V.I.Ps within his Constabulary Area
      before taking the position post job.
      He’s telling porkies. The monkey is on his back and the hoax is sinking
      because it’s full of holes.

  260. Dear, Rob.
    Thank you for your questions but by some obvious political and “national security” reasons we at Met are not allowed to answer them. First of all, if Yulia and Scripal are allowed to speak in free this would destroy the official story that GRU agents poisoned them by orders of Putin himself. Since Yulia is talking too much and her cousin Victoria works for GRU, it is dangerous she to be allowed to speak and tell what she knows and what she have done related to the perfume bottle found later by Charlie at the charity bin. By the same reason we can not release the CCTVs. These CCTVs would show that Boshirov and Petrov have not been at Scripal house but have rather a rendezvous with him at some other place in Salisbury. The few CCTVs released are enough to convince the public – both agents had GRU past and passports, came from Moscow, had another assistant, Denis Fedotov, who is also from GRU, and also travelled on March 2-nd from Moscow. What more evidences do you want? Such details like where exactly they have been that day are insignificant, what is important is that GRU agents have been at the city during the poisoning, 500 or 300 yards from Scripal house – it doesn’t matter.

    CCTVs for Yulia and Scripal are not allowed too – police is not really interested where they have been that day. We know it anyway because they have been interrogated many times after their release from the hospital. We don’t want to encourage the people in Salisbury to have questions about the official narrative. Someone could remember that Yulia and Scripal have been and at other places in Salisbury that day, have met with other people, or left something somewhere. This is not good for the case and detectives main role was to convince such people to stay quite by “national security” reasons.

    About why Novichok didn’t killed anyone – today I am happy to cast away this mystery! It was obviously because GRU have hired complete idiots for the mission, please read:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6766407/Skripals-survived-attack-blundering-Russian-hitmen-forgot-shake-perfume-bottle.html

    Please understand our considerations not to discussed it further and remember – anyone who questions and disputes the officials story is a Russian troll.

    Have a nice day!

    1. Dear Assistant Commissioner Basu,

      Thank you for your thoughtful response to my letter and the concerns expressed therein. I can well understand that you are unable to answer any and all questions due to reasons of “national security”, and I now feel thoroughly ashamed to have questioned the integrity of your investigation on issues such as whether CCTV of the Skripals feeding ducks, or their movements in The Maltings at the time that Messrs Petrov and Boshirov were around, should have been shown in public. Of course it shouldn’t, as I now realise. Why, had it been shown, people might have taken their gaze from the door handle to The Maltings and suspected that something had *actually* happened there, rather than the other way around, which of course is absurd and would constitute a grave threat to national security.

      I was also particularly taken by the latest explanation you refer to from Mr Mirzyanov as to why the Skripals (or The Skripal’s as your force prefers to refer to them), did not die from the “Novichok” on the door handle. I must say his revised explanation does of course make my insistence that it was impossible look rather silly. Whereas I had come to believe that Mr Mirzyanov’s previous statement about Novichok breaking down in damp weather was fundamentally irreconcilable with the OPCW’s statement about the substance being persistent and resistant to weather, his new explanation makes perfect sense.

      Obviously “Novichok” would need to be shaken – any idiot would know that – but clearly it’s just the sort of thing that highly trained Spetsnaz assassins could well forget, especially after a night of copious marijuana use. Indeed, one wonders how they even managed to find the right house, but of course we know that they must have done because of the CCTV that shows them there (well give or take 500 yards and going in another direction).

      What numptys I and the commenters on this blog feel a year on to have doubted this, when all along the non-deaths of “The Skripal’s” using a substance that can kill thousands, could be explained by simple a lack of bottle shaking. The GU are probably kicking themselves for not writing “Shake before use” on the side of the bottle.

      There are still a couple of questions that nag me though. One is that the OPCW don’t mention anything about the substance not being mixed, speaking instead about a “high purity” substance (singular). The other is that presumably it was mixed to kill Dawn Sturgess, but then how did Charlie Rowley survive? But hey ho, I understand these are questions that can never be answered because to do so would of course breach national security.

      Thanks once again, and do pass on my regards to Eliot Higgins.

      Best wishes,

      Rob

      PS. Are you sure you’re the real Neil Basu? I thought you were just the Assistant Commissioner. What would your boss, Ms Dick, say if she heard you taking her title?
      PPS. Impersonating a police officer is a serious offence you know 😉

  261. A mystery on the Russian side is why Moscow hasn’t made a bigger fuss – NOT that I think for a minute that they were responsible. Petrov and Boshirov did look a bit fishy in their interview, but I haven’t seen any follow-up from Russian press to prove or disprove their stories about working in the fitness area. Surely they would have work colleagues and/or business contacts who could confirm what they do for a living etc. They might still be undercover agents, but some info about their lives would fill out the picture. I favour Michael Antony’s hypothesis that P & B’s trip to Salisbury was to facilitate Sergei’s return to Russia, perhaps to spill the beans on the Steele dossier which is why MI6 intervened to disable S & Y. I fear our knowing what happened is up to whistleblowers or hackers who risk all to make the world a better place.

    Meanwhile, for Skripal and truth junkies, another good article on Sputnik:

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201903041072931100-uk-salisbury-russia-skripals-intelligence/

    1. Despite all the claims that various international conventions have been broken…..are they worth nothing if no further action can be taken apart from expelling of Diplomats? In the same manner the USA despite decades of regime change and supporting terrorists….is stil a member of UNSC…? And USA and UK recently been attempting to remove power of veto mechanisms to further their illicit aims….

  262. A sad aspect of the whole affair was our Prime Minister was forced – or agreed – to make false statements to the House (e.g. about Bailey). In the light of May’s lack of integrity then, it’s interesting to see her fighting hard to push her withdrawal agreement through Parliament, bearing in mind what she said in a speech made on 25 April 2016:-

    “So this is my analysis of the rights and wrongs, the opportunities and risks, of our membership of the EU – and the reasons I believe it is clearly in our national interest to remain a member of the European Union.”

    She claims she is merely following the ‘will of the people’, but in so doing she is abandoning the great principle of our representative democracy succinctly explained by Edmund Burke:-

    “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”

    She betrayed us over Skripal, and she is betraying us now.

  263. I have followed this from Australia and the particular thing which has never been adequately explained when there has been the emphatic statement it was “Novichok” and as in your Letter to the Metropolitan Police …………. If it was this Organophosphate Nerve Agent which kills in minutes with minute amounts needed, how is it the Skripals were taken to the Salisbury Hospital around 5.30pm on the Sunday and treated for an “Opioid Overdose” and it was not until 10.00am on Tuesday when the Security Services and those from Porton Down said it was a “Neve Agent” and Novichok????? When also Sergeant Plod came down with the same thing? That in itself blows the whole thing wide open because how did he get it on himself? I am also led to believe the ceiling of the Skripals home was taken apart?

    So this must be one of the most complicated piles of crap I have ever witnessed at a distance.

  264. They are getting sloppy about the door knob theory.
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/salisbury-police-hunt-five-more-14082053

    “Moscow has refused to hand over alleged hitmen Dr Alexander Mishkin and Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga – who are in Russian intelligence outfit the GRU and were caught on CCTV.

    Since giving TV interviews after the Met Police released their images last September, both men have vanished.

    But MI5 and counter-terror police believe they targeted former double-agent Sergei Skripal on March 4 last year as part of an eight-strong death squad.

    This would have included a surveillance unit, someone to deliver the novichok and someone to follow Sergei’s daughter Yulia as she flew to the UK from Moscow.
    …
    Sources said the probe is “far from over – with more names to come”. A former British military intelligence officer said: “There is little doubt more people were involved in the attempt to kill Sergei Skripal than is already known.

    “A team must have watched the Skripals before the guys went to his house, to minimise the chance of Sergei returning while they were there. Someone almost certainly followed Yulia on the plane, handing over to a team here. And the novichok must have been delivered to the two assassins.

      2. Agree it was an MI6/CIA job and I understand your sentiment, but I hope Rob and commenters won’t ‘give it up’. That’s exactly what TPTB want (and usually get). If nobody keeps on the case the Skripals will never be heard from again (if they’re still alive) and TPTB will keep on doing what they’ve been doing at least since the end of WWII.

      3. Yes, hence the characteristic bumbling incompetence.

        The Gestapo meet the Keystone Cops.

  265. Brilliant article Rob but where is the footage of Sergei and Yulia Skripal feeding ducks , I have followed this theatre piece from day one but don’t recall ever seeing mention of that cctv footage.

  266. it would be good if you have the time to examine and comment upon the allegations regarding the Skripal case made in a Soros funded report’ by King’s College London ‘academics’ (they have PhDs though that may not mean much). It decotes much space to trying to demonstrate that RT is ‘propaganda’. There have been a few one sided newspaper comments on this report (Financial Times), but no one as far as I can see is challenging this stuff masquerading as a serious report – see
    https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/news-article?id=a94dfd21-4d84-4106-b14f-fcc5af0326c6

    1. One wonders whether this and the other recent Kings College paper, and the Ofcom decision will be used as evidence to justify the the closure of RT UK`s terrestrial broadcasts.

      1. Doubt they’d really want to do it. Russia warned that if RT has to close down, so will all UK media in Russia.

    2. this report and the research used to back it up are cited in support of the official UK version that the Russians have come up with dozens (or here, more than 100) different explanations for what happened – therefore they are guilty. variants on this have been wheeled out time and again by UK spokespeople. but if you applied the same methodology to the UK MSM coverage, you would probably find as many versions. I actually think there are more different UK versions than official Russian versions (which boil down to ‘we didn’t do it’). the kcl claims only stand up because they brand all Russian media tools of the state.

      1. There has never been an official Russian verison of what actually happened. The Russian state has always stuck to “we have not been allowed to examine evidence, so we don’t know”.

  268. Well there goes your chance of a ‘gong’ in the Queen’s Birthday Honours list!

    “The Skripal” – a great catch! Looks like Basu is out ‘for a duck’ on that one.

  269. Bravo, again, Rob. I was hoping for some action on this sad anniversary.

    I just posted the below link on the Shiny New Thread page, but post it again here as it is an interesting separation of fact and the impossible to propose a plausible hypothesis for what really happened. It’s entitled The Alternative Skripal Narrative and the author is Michael Antony – highly recommended.

    https://southfront.org/michael-antony-the-alternative-skripal-narrative/?fbclid=IwAR1hF0usUfeHq1SP-a9FkBetraVMp1RsMHKTVWMxkPGqur3X4toEYGGn_dY

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